Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 - 5/15/08

[Destiny]

Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl. 

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela

Whaaaaaaaa?????? Tell Me more....don't want to start making calls on false info......TIA....Des

It sounds like the Dad ran off with her from Aruba.


missingsarah
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Since February 12th 2007 my daughter Sarah vanished with her father, who took her out of Aruba without my knowledge. I pledge to anyone that know about their whereabouts to please contact me with any information. It has been 1 YEAR WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER, she has not been allowed to call me and no information about her whereabouts or contact information have been provided by her father who is concealing my daughter. I went to pick my daughter up at school that tuesday as usual, and I found she was not there. The school did not have information about why she was absent. No one had a clue of their whereabouts. PLEASE if you have any information about my daughter Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) please e- mail:
busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
or call me:
(011)297-592-5541

Many Thanks,
A mother.

Here you can see the report in the local paper:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/20 07/2/17/
Country: Aruba

Dads' MySpace...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=198675145

[Pita]

Ernesto and his daughter Sarah with Paul Rodgers of Queen

http://ernestoferro.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=2

[caesu]

Americans aren't the only ones begging the queen and the dutch governement to do something about the cover up's,human rights violations and the corruption within the Aruban Govt.

From:  tromp13carlos
Age: 55
Country: Netherlands

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 1)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAp1QA3ylw

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 2)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QJ_iNMM2c

Aruba ( open letter to Queen Beatrix part 3)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-OsnGThuo

this person is really mad at Aruba and the Dutch not helping.
but i think by playing the anthem and stepping on the flag people might turn away from him.
i would support him though.
if i am treated like how he and Beth are treated i might have done much worse things whom i have to regret.

i wonder how many more people are victims from this corrupt justice system and haven't or cannot speak out.

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 

it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142

So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

It is outrageous Caesu!! They needed someone who was dirty and corrupt so they would fit right in.

Yes he will act as the Prosecutor General until the end of the year  I don't know what Mos's title is..I know he doesnt have KJ's job as Chief Prosecuter as that is Dop Kumiel. He isn't the AG either,He's like the head of the OM and the head BS PR spokesperson for that part of the Govt. He described himself like a Director(Manager)of the OM.

Thanks *******
I am so confused about the prosecutors on aruba.We have OM's,PM's,AG's and PR's.
So Mos is being replaced because his time is up or because he didn't go over too well as the PR spokesperson for aruba lol
When is Dop's time up?
I would like to know who in the prosecutors office will be going to court with this case IF it ever goes to court.I would also like to know how long the terms are for all within the prosecutors office.Maybe our Dutch Monkeys know this and will post it.

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.

it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142

So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.
the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47

Thank you Caesu.

[KarmaRoundUp]

We were told when KJ was there that the AG and her bosses would not allow her to speak. She gave a interview early on and that was about it,after a short time she stopped communicating with the Family. Beth says it was after her and jug were questioning how the the blood turned into chocolate in Deepak's car. As you know they then hired a attorney for better communications with the OM.  If you google interviews with her and Van Der Straten you will find very little and you won't find even one with Dennis Jacobs.

They said that thing's were different with the new team and Mos and that they were gonna communicate more with the Family and Media. All they did was put up a hired gun to BS everyone and to protect there precious tourism and cover up. When has Mos ever commented on the ridiculous blunders by Paul's friends that killed Natalee's chance at justice? They will continue to make attempts to end this without ever prosecuting anyone or revealing the truth and drag it out as long as possible in hopes everyone moves on.

Exactly!

[KarmaRoundUp]

Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN 
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Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

I'll bet deepak's hell is not blue,I'll bet his hell is firey red and hot!

[KarmaRoundUp]

We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE

That is very interesting.Isn't Tromp the name of the guy missing on aruba?

[Rob]

[Bearlyhere]

RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

Bearly....when it comes to that group...I use a commercial grade spray painter...swhoosh....

 

Oh, I thought some of our posters sometimes posted there, on Nat's side, of course. 

And I only said tried, not that I was good at it.

 

[Pita]

To All the Mother's of SM and Guest's reading here:

[KarmaRoundUp]

To All the Mother's of SM and Guest's reading here:

Awwww,thank you Pita and Rob.
Happy Mama's Day.

[texasmom]

Thanks Rob and Pita!

[Destiny]

Thanks Rob and Pita!

HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY TO ALL!

[texasmom]

     

[texasmom]

We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE

That is very interesting.Isn't Tromp the name of the guy missing on aruba?

Yes, his name is Tromp, but there are a LOT of Tromp's so I'm not sure if he is related to him or not.

[ldstlou]

Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.

Thank you!  She is doing much better!

Casa, sorry to hear about your daughter!! Hope she is doing much better!!

Klaas, so glad you are doing better too!!

Had no idea you smoked!! Glad you are quitting...keep it up!! I have to quit too one of these days!!!

[ldstlou]

I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible. 

Klaas, don't try to have a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

If they do make you sick, I will go unplug them myself...

 

Klaas, am I rubbing off on you??!! lol Usually me ranting and raving about the RU azzes!! Glad to see I am not the only one they get to!!! lol

Chuckie rat had to put in his 2 cents worth I see...what a loser!!! Glad to see you got under his skin though!!! Always a plus!!! 

[ldstlou]

RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

I vote sick AND stupid.
What always amazes me though is the level of jealousy the women there feel about Beth!!!
How in the hey do you feel jealous of a woman who lost her only daughter?
Sick AND stupid!!!

[ldstlou]

If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  I suppose not..People would recognize him 

Did you change something??...see no difference. sorry 

lol AZ!!