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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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The Shallow Grave..This was not found by chance but from a tip
Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005
PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called
Boca Prim
(ph). That`s on the
northern side of the island near the national park.
It`s an area of soft sand dunes.
There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive.
It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that
looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it,
was found, Nancy.
GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is?
PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip.
And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was? The one with the belt around his neck? Where the picture was taken?
Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family?
Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52. I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.
Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?
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I forgot to add this from the "letter" ~
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"In August 2005, I found a belt in a sand dune near the lighthouse. It appears to be identical to a belt that Juron van der Sloot had displayed on his website while pretending
Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
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to choke a young man in a photo. I turned the belt over to the detectives at the Buball Police Station. On the following day, I arranged to have professional searchers with cadaver dogs conduct a search of the area where the belt was found. Mr. Fred Golba, who is a professional searcher and dog handler, led the search effort. At one point, Mr. Golba's cadaver dog began to excitedly dig in the dune approximately ten feet from where I discovered the belt. Because of the dog's interest in that area, Mr. Golba excavated the sand dune and recovered two tiny pieces of plastic, which he described as a milky color and were possibly consistent with a type of plastic that is used in large drum liners or garbage bags. Fed Golba wanted to collect these pieces of plastic as evidence and have the police forward them for forensic examination. Dennis Jacobs, who was on the scene during the search, told Mr. Golba to throw them away as they were meaningless. When I turned in the belt that I found in that dune, I requested the police to forward the belt of forensic examination and/or computer enhancement. I later checked with the police, including Deputy Chief Dompig, and I was informed that the detective team had decided that the belt was not important as it was too old. Quite frankly, I was puzzled as the belt in the photo appears to be a very old belt and I did not suggest that it was Juron's belt, only the likelihood that it was the belt Juron was using as a prop in the photo."
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From old link -
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_2.html
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I'm looking at Ms. Karin Janssen in a whole new light after relaying the day's events to someone I know. As I've mentioned, this person I know has business takes him freqently to the ABCs and he is familiar with the island approach to negotiation as well as socio/political relationships that exist there. (The Jossy Mansur article as translated by Arubagirl can be very enlightening btw.)
It was pointed out to me that it is possible Karin Janssen has made these public declarations to AP for the purpose of creating an unprosecutable case. She has been silent on the case, except for the disparaging 'cowboy' comment, until now. In the last few days, she has violated Arubian law twice by discussing details of the case with the press. Why would she do this? Has she violated the law to the extent that no judge will allow the case to proceed? She should know better; she was responsible for queering a case back in Holland because of failure to follow proper protocol.
After reading Jossy's bold editorial, one wonders how far Dutch-Europeans on the island of Aruba will go for each other??
Posted by: gallowaygirl | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:00 PM
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Yesterday, in the local press, M. Croes did not like it, that Janssen has taken over - and remember the boss of that dept. is M. Croes's mother
Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:04 PM
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Oke, all in Shangoland - once more for the ones who have hearing or reading problems - no local Aruban would help in no cover up for no Dutch guy
on the other hand: could it be that some people would not mind a Dutch scapegoat or two?
and one of the vital questions? ask your daughters, sisters, girlfriends: what 18year old would wear the same outfit from (at least) afternoon (pictures taken) - casino - concert - dinner? with whom? - CnC - meeting and taking off with the "boys" - was she afraid to go back to her room? She had supposedly only slept there 1 night we were told
Someone mentioned she had only her driver's license and us$50 on her, what about blush, lipgloss, eye-liner, not even a hair-brush? etc.
another vital question: Charles Croes stated in interview that he had gone to a spot at the beach were he saw three cars (appr. 1 - 3 am), what do you think - if they were there monday night, why weren't there any cars (witnesses for or against Joran) there the important sunday night?
Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 07:32 PM
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I am sure they have looked in the park. Btw, ground is awfully hard to dig in, might take two or more guys - shuffles will not do it, you need pickaxes - would take at least 1 1/2 to 2 hours. If a body was not sufficiently covered, you would see birds in the area. And I am also certain, the rangers had their eyes wide open since may 30.
Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 07:59 PM
I wonder how much was told to locals in those early days.
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Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was? The one with the belt around his neck? Where the picture was taken?
Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family?
Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52. I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.
Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?
Yes, it's Joran's friend Michael. I believe that particular photo was taken when they were on that trip to Venezuela. Who knows where the belt came from that was used in that pic or who it belonged to.
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THE BELT
Art Wood
DANA PRETZER
July 3, 2006
Dana: The physical evidence, the belt ...
Art: There are reasons I searched for the belt. Some people saw a vehicle that night. They lead me to this area ... I was kicking around in the sand and a belt popped up so I put it in my car. I asked the cops if they wanted it and they said bring it in the next morning. I went back and hooked up with Eduardo. We were going to interview some people later. I made a mental note to take the belt to the police. I kept thinking I saw that belt before so I went to the newspaper and started looking at file photos and I found that picutre of Joran chocking somebody with the belt.
It is a distinctive belt. It has some kind of striations, brown leather, very wide, good thick leather and amazingly it's a real long. When I took it to the police, the lead investigator at that time, one of the chief people was a guy named Tromp. I gave it personally to him and he took a statement frm me. He said WOW this is identical. This is important.
I later find out they did nothing with it. It was not sent to Holland. They determined the belt is too old. It had been in the sand for a long time ...
I had gone through an attorney to get the belt back. I was going to send it to a lab myself. We don't know what happened to the belt
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Jossy Mansur
DANA SHOW
June 18, 2006
MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since.
Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.
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The fabric that looked like Natalee's was found in Boca Tortuga by the Natural pool and the shallow grave was in Boca Prim. I think they were found pretty close to one another on that N.E. side on the Northern part of Arikok park. Art called the area Boca Prim but I think he meant Boca Prins and that should be more North on that Map..I think
Either way PVDS was seen just after the sun came up just north of here on the road by the Alto Vista Church.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/
http://www.arubabound.com/photos/arikok/bocaprins/bprins.htm
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There certainly was a flurry of activity up there on the northern shore of Aruba, an area called Boca Prim
(ph). Now, that`s in the national park, an area of soft sand dunes in an outlet where a dry riverbed meets the stormy sea there.
And what Texas EquuSearch members had found, according to what they`ve told me by phone, is a four-foot deep hole, a pile of sand alongside it.
And they thought that this may have been a hole that could have been used to store Natalee`s remains for a temporary period of time and then later dug up and moved on.
They called in the police. The police came in. And later on in the afternoon, they ruled out any connection between this hole and Natalee`s disappearance, Nancy.
GRACE: So, Karl, the first thing I had heard earlier today was there was shallow digging the size of -- the dimensions of a body. And that must have caused a flurry of activity.
To Dr. Patricia Saunders, very quickly, you`ve got this whole family on pins and needles.
They`re waiting for this judge, who is apparently chummy with the chief suspect`s father, for Pete`s sake, waiting on a decision.
And now they hear this, this shallow digging, the dimensions of a body. They must have thought the worst.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html
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Boca Prins, in Arikok National Park on the north coast
, also boasts dunes and hardy seaside vegetation, but the rough-and-tumble waters here make swimming out of the question.
You'll need a car, preferably an all-terrain vehicle, to get here on the rutted dirt roads
. Plan a picnic lunch, or eat at the nearby cafe, also called Boca Prins, walk along the limestone cliffs, and slide down the dunes instead of risking the water.
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Gary:Boca prins is a beach and not sandunes.(sp) There are sandunes nearby and you get there by heading to baby beach, turning left an the old anchor memorial, continue past the prison for about 2 miles through the Dutch military firing range and it will be on your right about a half mile further.
Gary:
I happen to know the warden of the prison and trust me, no danger as escape is close to impossible.
The military firing range I believe is hardly ever used and they put red flags up at each entrance when they do you use it. No danger in my opinion. I have been in that area probably 50 times or more and never had a problem.
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/dune-surfing-boca-prins-22821/
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 08:29:49 PM
Mental hospitals seem to come up a lot in Aruba. According Joran, Van Der Straaten tried to give him that option, Carlos S Tromp was being railroaded in that direction and now you say that this June 10th witness who we believe may have told Art that he buried Natalee is off to a padded room.
Aruba must get some type of volume credit with the mental institutions in Holland.
Heres the guy that decides all that..Caps calls him Super dirty hands and something tells me he has been at work in this case. I read a bit about this guy and it's no wonder why he is so feared.
Kuiperdal is the Judge that was the Judge Of Instruction before they brought in the ones from Curacao. He is the judge that presided over the security guards hearings, and the gardeners statement. Not "clean" hands in my opinion, but not the "Super Dirty Hand" that Caps has referred to. He supposedly died in 2006 or 2007 but I haven't been able to locate the obituary yet. Someone said it's here in the archives. If anyone has it, please share it. From my research I believe he still has family on the island.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
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Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
Hi *******
Yes, that's him. I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
Categories: Lawyers
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Yes, that's him. I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
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Klaas
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Please check your hotmail. Thanks!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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I think Kuiperdal is the same judge that got into that scuffle at the beach with the baseball player Sidney Ponson..If he isn't deceased then he has been laying low practicing law in Aruba.
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Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him. I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering.... I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it. I've seen the listings too. The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007. She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family. I'll see if I can find the link again.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:46:03 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him. I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering....
I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it.
I've seen the listings too. The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007.
She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family.
I'll see if I can find the link again.
Texasmom ... I never saw any publication that stated that Kuiperdal had died but ... I could have missed it. According to Kermit ... you are right on regarding Kuiperdal being an Aruban judge.
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The justices on the Aruban bench:
mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005
The justices on the Curacao bench
mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas
@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005
## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004
From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:
11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot
Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360234;topicseen#msg360234
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Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:46:03 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ******* on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM
Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands
Deutekom
the behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him. I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12
Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering.... I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it. I've seen the listings too. The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007. She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family. I'll see if I can find the link again.
See Buckeye's post here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg336392#msg336392
Leslie's post here: 12/10/07
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg316359#msg316359
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Thanks Janet!
We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Quote from: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 12:16:01 AM
Thanks Janet!
We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.
Good Night Texasmom.
Janet
9:25 PM
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 12:16:01 AM
Thanks Janet!
We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.
Good Night Texasmom.
Janet
9:25 PM
Good night Janet.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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... and also a good night to casa, jackb, Icehawk, wreck, SurfCity and 9 Guests who are viewing this topic.
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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