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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 02:25:32 PM »
Quote from: Pita on May 13, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
Mum,
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THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN STRICKEN FROM OUR FILES 9 NOVEMBER 2004
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
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Found this but notice that the middle initial is E but same DOB
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Name
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 02:35:42 PM »
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: ldstlou on May 13, 2008, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.
freakin' eunuch!
oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!
Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.
I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here
. LOL
EEEEEW!!! This granny declines.
I would rather my purse be made out of vinyl ... plastic ... cloth ... cardboard ... ANYTHING BUT HIDE FROM CHUCK'S BACKSIDE.
Janet.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 02:50:11 PM »
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Hello MumInOhio ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?
maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html
Thanks, Rob.
From that thread:
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here.
They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.
What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking
their
laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 02:57:06 PM »
Quote from: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Hello MumInOhio ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?
maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html
Thanks, Rob.
From that thread:
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here.
They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.
What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking
their
laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that
we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.
********************************************
What a diversion, considering that
one party boy abusing their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking
was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 03:19:18 PM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:50:18 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Hello MumInOhio ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?
Hello to you Johann...they posted on the FP, Scared Monkeys.com, but they are in the Shango/Simian reference threads if that is what you need. I don't have the FP links, they are spread out over different days...I am sure some-one else has them though!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0
Just catching up for a bit.
Johan555
I have many of the 'links' to S & S on the Front Page
And the ones I don't have links to -- I have all the posts and dialog copied
Let me know if you want them
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:31:51 AM
here we go... I found the correct image
Thank you, Rob.
That's the image
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,
Janet
, you are cracking me up over here. LOL
Dayhiker
, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that.
Shar
, you're welcome.
caesu
, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.
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I can dig up all the Plantation stuff too now that there could be another link.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 03:53:44 PM »
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 03:41:35 PM
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,
Janet
, you are cracking me up over here. LOL
Dayhiker
, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that.
Shar
, you're welcome.
caesu
, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.
+++++++++++++
I can dig up all the Plantation stuff too now that there could be another link.
i don't believe a word Rudy says.
even in this article it becomes clear that this incompetent Steenhuis is put forward to put pressure on Fernandes-Croes to abandon her strike and get back to work.
he said he had a phone call with David Dick, the justice minister of the Antilles.
Dick himself is embrioled in numerous scandals primarly on St. Maarten with police commissioners, public prosecutors and more officials being investigated or sentenced.
i don't get the full story here yet, but it seems to me some all kinds of ploys of the three justice ministers to embarass eachother.
they, especially Croes and Ballin, have been doing that for years - no: decades.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum. If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum. If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0
Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 04:38:04 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 02:23:13 PM
OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."
I fail to comprehend why Phil McGraw requires any backup documents from the investigation.
When McGraw implied that Deepak had raped Natalee he was relying on the the Skeeter recording as his source. Why is Deepak's own words not the only evidence required ... Deepak's own words that can be revealed on the original hard drive which was turned over to the FBI?
Does anyone have an explanation?
Thank you.
Janet
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Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html
Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 30, 2005
COSBY: So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?
TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes,
but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes
, Rita.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/
BUMP!!
HELP!! Any opinions?? I would sincerely appreciate some input.
I desperately require some insight regarding the reasons that McGraw requires documentation from the Natalee Holloway case file when Skeeter's hard drive should stand alone in revealing that Deepak defamed himself.
I have recently learned that "apparently" Dutch law .... does not allow case file documentation to be released while an investigation is still ongoing.
Considering Hans Mos claims the Natalee Holloway investigation is not closed ... maybe this is the current hold-up.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?
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May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM »
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.
I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.
That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.
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Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:49:48 PM
Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?
Thank you Rob.
What will happen if Aruba has a legal position under Dutch law to disregard the American courts demand to disclose?
I would have thought this would have been all sorted out long ago by Phil McGraw's legal team and the American court system.
When you think about it from theoretic perspective ... it makes perfect sense that documents revealed/released from an ongoing case could compromise an investigation.
I think this is the reason that the Natalee Holloway investigation will NEVER be officially closed. Aruba will not be put in a position where documents which have the ability to reveal a corrupt investigation have to be released.
Anyways ... what the holdup is in regards to the Deepak/Satish lawsuit against Phil McGraw is very puzzling.
Hey ... I cannot comprehend why Satish is part of this lawsuit.
Janet
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Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.
I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.
That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind
article 45
like they saw the boogieman.
What does Article 45 state?
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 05:31:29 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.
I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.
That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind
article 45
like they saw the boogieman.
What does Article 45 state?
Janet
something like you stated - documents from an ongoing investigation will not be released. So, you're right.
Max DeVries' case is long over and Yvonne has never received anything. They just say that so they don't have to turn anything over ever. Open / Closed - it makes no difference. Documents never see the light of day again.
And I'm sure Paulus knew / knows that docs are never ever released. I'm sure he felt pretty confidant that there would never be a day while he was alive that his PV or Joran's PV / Witness Statement on 5-30 would ever be seen again. And he's kinda right... the parts that are missing from Paulus' PV have never turned up and I don't think anyone has any idea who might have them. They're probably in the donkey bone drawer.
As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.
I have no idea why Satish is part of the law suit either. He had no income and therefore was not economically harmed. I'm sure the Judge will visit that issue also. The defense is bound to bring it up. And this case isn't about Satish except the part where it is alleged that Deepak said they all had sex with Natalee.
Hey it's sue happy Aruba - if someone looks at you wrong - file an 800 million dollar lawsuit. Lots of thin skinned folks down there.
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Janet, I just remembered something...
The Skeeters (the remaining family) asked that Jamie be dropped from the suit, after-all he's not even here to defend himself, but the judge say no way Jose. And Jamie's suit is liable should a verdict go against Jamie.
See, Jamie's family can not even settle his estate and he's been dead since January of 07. Truly heartless. The longer this goes on the more damage could be done to Jamie's survivors.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
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May 13, 2008, 05:58:00 PM »
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
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As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.
Thanks Rob
The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.
If the Kalpoes
cannot
legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.
If the Kalpoes
will not
comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?
It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" make it so complicated.
Janet
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John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
September 14, 2007
KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.
But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield.
They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html
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May 13, 2008, 06:02:03 PM »
Quote from: Rob on May 13, 2008, 05:31:29 PM
<snipped>
As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.
<snipped>
Thanks Rob
The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.
If the Kalpoes
cannot
legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.
If the Kalpoes
will not
comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?
It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" everywhere make it so complicated.
Janet
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John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
September 14, 2007
KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.
But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield.
They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html
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Mods ... please delete my previous post. I really messed up.
Thank you.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
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Quote from: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum. If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0
Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA
Several are posted in Shango 1 thread...unfortunately it would take a lot of space...you are talking about days worth of posting...I have found most people don't want to see them in context...I won't get back on that again...I have already made my feelings known about taking them out of context.
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Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 - 5/15/08
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=====> Caylee Marie Anthony Murder Trial Archives
===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
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===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
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===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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