Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 - 5/28

[Peaches]

Is it me??? I think it has been at least 20 years that I've seen American newspapers actually show dead corpses on their front page. To me -- it's just over-the-top morbid.

Tacky, tacky, tacky.

[Nut44x4]

It is disgusting and very disrespectful to the victims and their families...PERIOD.

[Blonde]

2005 Soul Beach Musical Festival Stars
EN-TWINE BACK STAGE WITH JAMAICA ME KRAZY.
 Hey good looking ask them what’s cooking at Jamaica Me Krazy, why its so Crowded? It must be soul beach musical festival. The over crowded restaurant could not accommodate all their guest some were feed on a special charter on Aruba’s #1 party boat Tattoo,

http://www.jamaicamekrazy.com/soul_beach2005.html

[klaasend]

2005 Soul Beach Musical Festival Stars
EN-TWINE BACK STAGE WITH JAMAICA ME KRAZY.
 Hey good looking ask them what’s cooking at Jamaica Me Krazy, why its so Crowded? It must be soul beach musical festival. The over crowded restaurant could not accommodate all their guest some were feed on a special charter on Aruba’s #1 party boat Tattoo,

http://www.jamaicamekrazy.com/soul_beach2005.html

Hi Blonde - yes, I researched this and I believe it was Friday night that this happened. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1460&Itemid=34

Does anyone know what happened to this kid?  Sandy Brete?  Just curious, he wasn't a suicide, was he?

I don't know...

[klaasend]

2005 Soul Beach Musical Festival Stars
EN-TWINE BACK STAGE WITH JAMAICA ME KRAZY.
 Hey good looking ask them what’s cooking at Jamaica Me Krazy, why its so Crowded? It must be soul beach musical festival. The over crowded restaurant could not accommodate all their guest some were feed on a special charter on Aruba’s #1 party boat Tattoo,

http://www.jamaicamekrazy.com/soul_beach2005.html

Hi Blonde - yes, I researched this and I believe it was Friday night that this happened. 

This timeline was put together by Writenow on SM back in June 2005 when most of the Soul Beach Festival information was still readily available:

Thursday, May 26
???..................Natalee & MBHS group arrive in Aruba/check in at Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
8:00 pm..........Soul Beach Festival casino party & after party @ Royal Cabana Casino
??? pm............Some MBHS students see Joran van der Sloot in Holiday Inn Casino
........................Joran possibly gets into fight at casino with one of Natalee’s cousins

Friday, May 27
3:00 am.........Soul Beach after party ends
am-pm...........MBHS group go on all-day snorkling trip
???pm............MBHS Bryan Reynolds breaks up fight between Joran & MBHS kids @ Carlos’nCharlies’
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Music Festival Night 1 at Entertainment Center
11:00 pm.......Soul Beach Festival Night 1 ends/after party begins @ Havana Night Club

Saturday, May 28
4:00 am.........Soul Beach after party ends
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Music Festival Night 2 @ Havana Club Ampitheater
?? pm.............?Joran at Holiday Inn Casino gambling?
11:00 pm........Soul Beach Night 2 ends/after party begins @ Havana Night Club

Sunday, May 29
4:00 am.........Soul Beach after party ends
9:00 am.........Soul Beach daytime event @ Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
10:00 am.........Natalee and friends go to beach & pool all day, according to NBC Birmingham
3:00 pm.........Soul Beach daytime event ends
5:00 pm.........Paulus van der Sloot returns to Aruba from Holland
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Festival Night 3 @ Havana Club Ampitheater/some MBHS attend? Joran there?
8:30 pm.........Natalee & friends have dinner in Holiday Inn restaurant
??? pm.........Joran van der Sloot gambles at Holiday Inn casino with father Paul
9:30 pm.........Natalee & friends go to Holiday Inn Casino where Natalee meets Joran for first time
9:30 pm.........Friends see Joran & Natalee talking in casino
??? pm.........email says Deepak gets call from Joran to pick him up at home after gets off work
10:00 pm.........email says Deepak off work early at cybercafe/brother Satish picks him up & go home to change
........................Kalpoe’s mother Nadira Ramirez tells Greta Deepak normally doesn’t leave until 11 or 11:30 pm
11:00 pm.........Natalee and friends go to Carlos’nCharlie’s
11:00 pm.........Soul beach festival ends (NO After Party this night)
11:00 pm.........Paulus picks up Joran at McDonalds near Holiday Inn to give him ride home
11:45 pm?.......Deepak & Satish Kalpoe pick up Joran at his house(??) & go to Carlos’nCharlies’

Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
1:30 am...........Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2-3:00 am.......Neighbor sees Kalpoe brothers washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran calls Deepak and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish’s lawyer David Kock says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail Joran said he would go online in hour and email him
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:15 am...........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am...........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am...........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am...........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
6:30 am...........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba?
7:50 am...........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:30 am...........MBHS group meets in lobby of Holiday Inn, first notice that Natalee is missing
?? am..............MBHS group leaves Aruba on two flights
........................Chaperone stays behind and books later flight for Natalee, hoping she will show up
........................Chaperone contacts hotel and beach patrol to report Natalee missing
........................Chaperonoe thinks beach patrol is reporting disappearance to police, but they don’t
12:00 pm........(11:00 am CDT) Beth Holloway Twitty in Arkansas gets news of Natalee’s disappearance
.......................Beth Twitty leaves Arkansas & drives back to Birmingham
.......................Beth pulled over for speeding. Tells highway patrol the situation. They give her FBI’s number
.......................Beth calls FBI from her cellphone while enroute to Mountain Brook, AL (Birmingham)
2:45 pm..........School day ends for Joran
4:00 pm..........Deepak email says he went to work even though in same email said he wasn’t working that day
??pm...............Natalee’s cousins Hunter & Thomas Twitty tell Jug Twitty about Joran van der Sloot
6:30 pm..........(5:30 CDT) Chartered jet leaves Birmingham with Beth & Jug Twitty & friends
11:00 pm........Beth & Jug Twitty & friends land in Aruba
11:00 pm........Deepak email says he’s off work and calls Joran who’s at Radisson casino
11:30 pm........Deepak email says he meets Joran at Radisson

Tuesday, May 31
12:00 am.......Beth & group learn Joran’s name and address and call police
1:00 am.........Beth, Jug & MB group look at Holiday Inn casino video tape
2:00 am.........Deepak email says he and Joran go to Wyndham casino
2:00 am.........Beth, Jug & MB group to van der Sloot home with police
2:15 am.........Paulus says Joran at a casino/Deepak email says Paulus called them at Wyndham
2:30 am.........police, Paulus and MB group go to casino (Wyndham??)
3:00 am.........police, Paulus & MB group return to van der Sloot home/Joran& Deepak leaning on car in yard
3:15 am.........Joran takes group back to Holiday Inn to show where he dropped off Natalee??
3:30 am.........Group back to van der Sloot house
4:00 am.........Beth & group leave van der Sloots
7:00 am.........Deepak email says he goes home (says pm but must mean am)
7:50 am.........Joran in school?
???.................Joran & Kalpoes sit around van der Sloot pool and come up with same story
2:00 pm.........Joran, Deepak & Satish questioned by police

Wednesday, June 1
7:50 am.........Joran in school?
????...............Joran, Deepak & Satish again questioned by police
???..................Anita van der Sloot returns to Aruba from Holland

Thursday, June 2
7:50 am.........Joran in school
???.................Deepak email says Joran calls him in panic that Twittys are passing out flyers @ his school
2:45 pm.........School day ends for Joran

Friday, June 3
7:50 am.........Joran in school?/exams begin at International School of Aruba?
......................(AP exams were May 2-13/no final exam req. if take AP exam)
2:45 pm.........School day ends for Joran

Saturday, June 4

Sunday, June 5
6:30 am.........Security guards Antonius “Mickey” John & Abraham Jones arrested

Monday, June 6
7:50 am.........Joran in school?/exams begin at International School of Aruba
2:00 pm.........Aruban government workers off work early to search island for Natalee
2:45 pm.........School day ends for Joran

Tuesday, June 7
7:50 am.........Joran in school?/exams at school
2:45 pm.........School day ends for Joran

Wednesday, June 8
7:50 am.........Joran in school?/last day of exams at school
2:45 pm.........School day ends for Joran
3:00 pm?.........press asks Aruban LE why 3 amigos not under arrest

Thursday, June 9
6:30 am.........Joran, Deepak & Satish arrested/computers, Deepak’s car, & other items taken from homes
6:00 pm.........International School of Aruba senior graduation @

Friday, June 10

Saturday, June 11
......................Antonius “Mickey” John in cell next to Deepak Kalpoe
......................Abraham Jones in another jail building -- in a cell next to Joran van der Sloot

Sunday, June 12

Monday, June 13
11:00 pm.........Antonius “Mickey” John released from jail and gives press conference
.......................John says Deepak Kalpoe told him they lied about dropping off Natalee at Holiday Inn
.......................John says Deepak told him they dropped off Joran and Natalee at Marriott and left

Tuesday, June 14
12:30 am........Abraham Jones released from jail
.......................Jones says Joran crying in cell next to him. Joran says he’s afraid Kalpoes “setting him up”
.......................Jones says Joran was dropped off at home first and Natalee left with Kalpoes in their car
?? am..............Radio station Top95FM ? asks people to dig at Marriott beach to look for Natalee
.......................guy finds pair of women’s panties on beach and proudly shows off for media
2:00 pm?........members of Aruban Law Enforcement search & dig at Marriott beach & fishermen’s huts
7:00 pm?........Aruban LE end search @ Marriott after draining nearby pond

Wednesday, June 15
???pm..................Police search home of Joran van der Sloot & tow away a blue SUV & a red jeep
???pm..................Police tell Steve G. Croes they want to talk to him

Thursday, June 16
??? am............Steve G. Croes goes to police station and is questioned
???..................Steve G. Croes goes to work @ Tattoo boat
???..................Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by police
????................Max Arendsz questioned by police

Friday, June 17
6:30 am.........Steve Gregory Croes arrested

Saturday, June 18
8:00 am.........Rene van Heyningen found murdered “Columbian necktie”
.......................van Heyningen’s body dumped in government cemetery
???..................Paulus & Anita van der Sloot questioned by police for 5 hours
???..................Sergio Gomez reported missing

Sunday, June 19
???..................Paulus & Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

Monday, June 20
???..................Kalpoe brothers & Steve Croes transferred from jail to KIA prison

Tuesday, June 21
???..................Joran van der Sloot transferred from jail to KIA prison
????................Beth Twitty & Greta go to van der Sloot home/talk to Paulus & Anita for 90 minutes
.......................Beth tells GMA’s Diane Sawyer on Tues. 6/28 that even though they were sitting in a well-ventilated room, Paul sweated more than any individual she’s ever seen. Says sweat was dripping off his face and onto the table. Anita had to get a towel and mop up him and the table

Wednesday, June 22
??..................Paulus & Anita van der Sloot interviewed by Greta/FOX

Thursday, June 23
1:00 pm??.......Anita van der Sloot visits Joran in prison. Father in car. Neighbor calls to say police want to talk
2:00 pm...........Paulus van der Sloot goes to police station to talk & is arrested
.........................Anita van der Sloot tells AP Joran lied when said they dropped off Natalee at Holiday Inn.
.........................Anita says Joran now admits he and Natalee were dropped off at the Marriott & were alone
.........................Number of FBI agents in Aruba reduced from 7 to 3

Friday, June 24
??pm..................24 members of Texas EquuSearch arrive in Aruba

Saturday, June 25
9:00 am??.........Texas EquuSearch begins search for Natalee
.........................Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer admits brothers lied about dropping off Natalee at Holiday Inn
.........................now says they dropped her off at the Marriott with Joran
.........................Judge to be flown in from Curacao/flight delayed

Sunday, June 26
8:30? am..........Judge from Curacao arrives in Aruba
9:30 am............Joran & Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak & Satish Kalpoe in court
10:40 am..........Steve Croes in court
1:30 pm............Judge orders Steve G. Croes released Monday due to lack of evidence in disappearance
6:30 pm?..........Paulus van der Sloot released
.........................Lawyer says Kalpoe brothers are becoming more angry with Joran for putting blame on them

Monday, June 27
1:00 pm.............Steve G. Croes released. Tells press he overheard Deepak on the phone at the internet cafe
..........................Says Deepak was talking to someone about dropping off Natalee @ the Holiday Inn
??pm.................EquuSearch dogs alert to “hit” at Moko quarry, but find nothing yet

Tuesday, June 28
11:40 am...........Geraldo says Aruban Chief of Police Jan van der Straaten is Joran van der Sloot’s godfather
..........................FOX reports Dutch reporters are yelling at EquuSearch divers and throwing things at them (!!)

[Rob]

Thursday, May 26
........................Joran possibly gets into fight at casino with one of Natalee’s cousins

Friday, May 27
???pm............MBHS Bryan Reynolds breaks up fight between Joran & MBHS kids @ Carlos’nCharlies’

Saturday, May 28
?? pm.............?Joran at Holiday Inn Casino gambling?

Sunday, May 29
5:00 pm.........Paulus van der Sloot returns to Aruba from Holland
??? pm.........Joran van der Sloot gambles at Holiday Inn casino with father Paul
9:30 pm.........Natalee & friends go to Holiday Inn Casino where Natalee meets Joran for first time
9:30 pm.........Friends see Joran & Natalee talking in casino

Monday, May 30

12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’

I snipped the bejeezes out of this and left some very important parts. Just going by writenow's timeline (I have no reason to doubt this is accurate as it is compiled using the known info at the time), it seems that Joran was in 3 separate altercations with the MB kids. What da !?!?!?! Looks like he's itchin' for a fight.

That in itself is shocking. What could have been happening that Joran and the MB kids are fighting every time they see each other? And this also opens an area up that is seldom talked about but one I have mentioned before.

~ what the heck was Joran doing at the HI that entire time? and why weren't his movements on those days taken into consideration? It seems to me that the investigation begins as Joran enters the casino and that's it? but why? That makes no sense and also leaves out the fact that he is totally unaccounted for during a 3 day period before Natalee disappeared. The investigation into Natalee, Beth, Jug and Dave begins the day she was born, but not so for Joran.

We also need to know how Paulus got from the Queen Beatrix airport to his home. From there it is on the record that the two of them go to the casino, but how did Paulus get home? He's not walking from the airport. Did he catch a taxi? or was his car parked there? and how is Joran getting around if his mother and father are out of town?

I can't see Joran walking back and forth from the HI to his house.

[bleachedblack]

Soul Beach 2008

Sunday, May 25

Soul Beach Daytime Event 10:00a - 3:00p
Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort Aruba
Palm Beach

Main Stage Concert 7:00p – 11:00p
Aruba Entertainment Center (Oranjestad)
(General Admission -
Standing Room & Bleachers)
- Erykah Badu
- Sean Kingston
- Paige

Nightclub Parties 11:00p – 4:00a
Havana Night Club (Oranjestad)

[Rob]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

[klaasend]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

[bleachedblack]

Yikes! Drinking and driving don't mix even if it's on a Quad. Looks like a tourist slammed through someones wall in Aruba.

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Quadracer ta basha cura di cas abou





http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4815/1/

[Rob]

[Rob]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

Yeah, there's no doubt. Look at the lines around her mouth and toward her nose. That is a definite.

[bleachedblack]

Not sure of this one but looks like family(?) accused of traffiking 3000 kilo of cocaine to europe?

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ACUSADONAN A PAPIA DI UN SOÑO GRANDI DI TRAFICACION DI 2000 PA 3000 KILO DI COCAINA PA EUROPA    
Saturday, 24 May 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Luis E.M, Hernando R.M.O, Rosalinda R, Ricardo A.B.M, Jose A.C y Melvin R.L a presenta dilanti di mesa berde, pa comienzo di tratamento di e famoso caso yama “Domino”. Den e caso aki e sospechosonan ta wordo acusa entre otro di labamento di placa, traficacion y posesion di droga y posesion di arma.

Huez a cuminza na bisa cu e caso aki ta bay ta uno hopi largo. Pesey el a splica cu Diabierna tabata solamente pa pasa door di e diferente dossiernan di e caso. Dia 2 di Juni el a pone como dia pa e fiscal presenta su caso y dia 9 di Juni lo toca turno na e abogadonan.

Segun huez, dia 13 di Juni mester por ta ultimo dia di e caso, mientras cu sentencia lo ta 3 siman despues. Prome dossier cu a wordo trata Diabierna tabata e dossier yama “LOPI”. Huez a trece dilanti cu e dossier aki ta considera L.E.M como esun cu ta maneha e organizacion criminal, di cual H.R.M.O y J.A.C ta su mannan drechi.

Huez a puntra H.O pa splica un tiki mas di su negoshi di palo, mirando cu e documentonan cu ta duna indicacion di e negoshi aki, no tabata tin mucho informacion.

>>>>the complete article
http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2641/30/

[jackb]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

In my opinion, you are right.  The chin is not showing up that well on the profile shot because the paneling colors melted into it.  Maybe not for a reason, but it would be quite easy, or it could have just melted in because of the light.   Now, if you will be so kind why is this picture catching your eye?  I may have missed something. Jack

[Rob]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

Yeah, there's no doubt. Look at the lines around her mouth and toward her nose. That is a definite.

here's another view of the LPGA's finest. 

[Rob]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

Yeah, there's no doubt. Look at the lines around her mouth and toward her nose. That is a definite.

here's another view of the LPGA's finest. 

whoops, forgot the image LOL

[bleachedblack]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

Yeah, there's no doubt. Look at the lines around her mouth and toward her nose. That is a definite.

Person in photo on left looks older IMO. She also looks larger. Increased size and chin droop could be accounted for if this were the same person but photo on left was same as right only 5 years or so later.

[klaasend]

Not sure of this one but looks like family(?) accused of traffiking 3000 kilo of cocaine to europe?

++++++++++++++

     
ACUSADONAN A PAPIA DI UN SOÑO GRANDI DI TRAFICACION DI 2000 PA 3000 KILO DI COCAINA PA EUROPA    
Saturday, 24 May 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna Luis E.M, Hernando R.M.O, Rosalinda R, Ricardo A.B.M, Jose A.C y Melvin R.L a presenta dilanti di mesa berde, pa comienzo di tratamento di e famoso caso yama “Domino”. Den e caso aki e sospechosonan ta wordo acusa entre otro di labamento di placa, traficacion y posesion di droga y posesion di arma.

Huez a cuminza na bisa cu e caso aki ta bay ta uno hopi largo. Pesey el a splica cu Diabierna tabata solamente pa pasa door di e diferente dossiernan di e caso. Dia 2 di Juni el a pone como dia pa e fiscal presenta su caso y dia 9 di Juni lo toca turno na e abogadonan.

Segun huez, dia 13 di Juni mester por ta ultimo dia di e caso, mientras cu sentencia lo ta 3 siman despues. Prome dossier cu a wordo trata Diabierna tabata e dossier yama “LOPI”. Huez a trece dilanti cu e dossier aki ta considera L.E.M como esun cu ta maneha e organizacion criminal, di cual H.R.M.O y J.A.C ta su mannan drechi.

Huez a puntra H.O pa splica un tiki mas di su negoshi di palo, mirando cu e documentonan cu ta duna indicacion di e negoshi aki, no tabata tin mucho informacion.

>>>>the complete article
http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2641/30/

Isn't that Luis Mansur, Jossy's  brother?

[jackb]

in my opinion, this is the same person.

I agree Rob, absolutely the same person.

(long lost relative of Jay Leno  )

Yeah, there's no doubt. Look at the lines around her mouth and toward her nose. That is a definite.

Person in photo on left looks older IMO. She also looks larger. Increased size and chin droop could be accounted for if this were the same person but photo on left was same as right only 5 years or so later.

It is the same woman.

The profile shot was slighty altered.  Look closely.  Look at the paneling on the wall out of line and a slight "halo" effect of the chin that gives it a slight disappearing effect.    jackb