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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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May 26, 2008, 11:55:51 AM »
‘New’ evidence reinforces Beth Twitty’s lie
The computer print-out showing that Beth had lied about her arrival time in Aruba.
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – From a print-out of Natalee Holloway’s telephone it appears that the private jet of her mother Beth had already landed in Aruba at 17:15 on May 30. At least, that’s what TV-producer from Curacao, Renée Gielen says. She has the telephone print-out of Natalee’s cellular telephone.
This is very striking, says Gielen, because according to her, it means that Beth Holloway wanted to come to Aruba before Natalee was missing. “The print-out shows that Beth had called Natalee’s cell at 17:15. She did that from her own cell and she could not have done that while being in the air.” She emphasizes that it also means that the call was not done with a satellite telephone and it is also not probable that Beth’s private jet had made an intermediate landing from the United States. “That is not usual on these short flights. For that matter, she must have left even earlier.”
The print-out doesn’t show that it was a missed call, but that Beth had really talked to someone. Gielen assumes that she had talked to Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of Natalee during her vacation in Aruba. Besides, when Beth arrived in Aruba, she was carrying a stack of posters asking Natalee to call her. “This suggests that Beth must have known that there were problems, before Natalee disappeared”, says Gielen, who from the beginning of the disappearance case three years ago, is investigating the case.
Gielen and her team are now in the process of rounding off the documentary ‘‘Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines’ that is expected to be presented on June 2.
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Gielen considers the print-out as new evidence that Beth had lied about the exact time of her arrival in Aruba. She has been declaring all along that she arrived in Aruba ‘around 23:00’. She also wrote this in her book ‘Loving Natalee’ that was published late last year. A former employee of the airport, Alberto G, said before the cameras of Gielen that the private-jet of Beth had landed at 19:45. He retracted his declaration, because, as he said, he was mistaken. He did this after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo that claim to be detectives, showed a computer print-out indicating that Beth had arrived earlier. G. confirmed the authenticity of that print-out.
The motive of Beth lying about her arrival time is still not clear. Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth. Also the police don’t know anything. “The police say that there are no telephone data available from the radio tower equipment for that day, which is very coincidentally” says Gielen. Former chief of police, Gerald Dompig told this newspaper earlier that at that time, the police had investigated the time line, the flight data, and also the flight movements.
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Quote from: ******* on May 26, 2008, 11:55:51 AM
‘New’ evidence reinforces Beth Twitty’s lie
The computer print-out showing that Beth had lied about her arrival time in Aruba.
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – From a print-out of Natalee Holloway’s telephone it appears that the private jet of her mother Beth had already landed in Aruba at 17:15 on May 30. At least, that’s what TV-producer from Curacao, Renée Gielen says. She has the telephone print-out of Natalee’s cellular telephone.
This is very striking, says Gielen, because according to her, it means that Beth Holloway wanted to come to Aruba before Natalee was missing. “The print-out shows that Beth had called Natalee’s cell at 17:15. She did that from her own cell and she could not have done that while being in the air.” She emphasizes that it also means that the call was not done with a satellite telephone and it is also not probable that Beth’s private jet had made an intermediate landing from the United States. “That is not usual on these short flights. For that matter, she must have left even earlier.”
The print-out doesn’t show that it was a missed call, but that Beth had really talked to someone. Gielen assumes that she had talked to Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of Natalee during her vacation in Aruba. Besides, when Beth arrived in Aruba, she was carrying a stack of posters asking Natalee to call her. “This suggests that Beth must have known that there were problems, before Natalee disappeared”, says Gielen, who from the beginning of the disappearance case three years ago, is investigating the case.
Gielen and her team are now in the process of rounding off the documentary ‘‘Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines’ that is expected to be presented on June 2.
MISTAKEN
Gielen considers the print-out as new evidence that Beth had lied about the exact time of her arrival in Aruba. She has been declaring all along that she arrived in Aruba ‘around 23:00’. She also wrote this in her book ‘Loving Natalee’ that was published late last year. A former employee of the airport, Alberto G, said before the cameras of Gielen that the private-jet of Beth had landed at 19:45. He retracted his declaration, because, as he said, he was mistaken. He did this after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo that claim to be detectives, showed a computer print-out indicating that Beth had arrived earlier. G. confirmed the authenticity of that print-out.
The motive of Beth lying about her arrival time is still not clear. Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth. Also the police don’t know anything. “The police say that there are no telephone data available from the radio tower equipment for that day, which is very coincidentally” says Gielen. Former chief of police, Gerald Dompig told this newspaper earlier that at that time, the police had investigated the time line, the flight data, and also the flight movements.
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WHEN is Beth or Dave going to take this b_tch down? Someone needs to rein her in. Detectives my arse. These people need to be held accountable for the lies they are putting out there. Has Beth or Dave talked lately about what is going on? I know this is a very time of the year for them but this sh_t should be confronted. That island should rein in these ignorant people. It isn't enough big mouth Huey makes them look bad now they are bringing in friends of Renfro and Anita to finish the job up. I hate them all.
Now, I am grateful this day for all the men and women who have fought to protect our lives and freedom. Hero's all of them. GOD bless our country and our fighting men and women.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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May 26, 2008, 12:38:07 PM »
Morning Monkeys!...This email just arrived...
I'll post all 3 versions of the letter/article I've already sent...we have today to *fine tune*
the *final version* add some photos..inluding the one posted by Kermit, regarding the reward and tip line numbers....I know it's asking a lot...but we get the whole dit n' kaboodle printed in the paper in aruba...and distributed to AP in the netherlands for free...
I think we'll get a LOT of coverage for Natalee and the Cause....
Thank You All!!!
This is a Labor of Love by Many Fine Folks....Destiny....
NEW EMAIL THIS AM:
Hi XXXXXXX
Its me again. Can you send me the article that you want to publish again?
I have tree the last version here, but I don't know that is the good one.
Maybe you have made some corection on it. Than it is better that you send me the final one.
Can you do it for me?
Thks
XXXXXXX
Have a nice day
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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May 26, 2008, 12:39:27 PM »
I'm hoping Beth's attorney in the NL in including
Gielen
in his civil suit
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May 26, 2008, 12:41:46 PM »
Thanks Destiny!
Post all three and we'll take a look at them. I don't think we should spend too much more time on it though, let's get the final to them so they can publish ASAP.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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May 26, 2008, 12:47:43 PM »
Quote from: WhiskeyGirl on May 26, 2008, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on May 26, 2008, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: klaasend on May 25, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
Related or not.....you be the judge
lmao!!!
On a more serious note,Mashell's daughter is around 16 years old.I wonder if she will keep both eyes on her or will she let her hang out at all the usual places on aruba that other under agers hang.In that island temp. article,Mashell boasts about being good friends with Anita vds,wonder if she will want to hook her young daughter up with joran or maybe Val.
I also wonder if Mashell will hope her hubby get's a new hotel management assignment to a different country.......once her sons become teenagers on aruba.
Aruba=not the island for kids.
There was some mention in the article of an assignment in Germany. She learned to speak German. Maybe the 'network' provided temporary homes for Joran in some of these countries they were stationed? Maybe even a job for Joran? Didn't he at one time express an interest in working in the hospitality industry?
I don't know about joran working in the hospitality industry but some of the vds's so called friends may be helping to hide the helpless,big mouthed monster named joran.NOTHING would surprise me.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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Quote from: klaasend on May 26, 2008, 12:41:46 PM
Thanks Destiny!
Post all three and we'll take a look at them. I don't think we should spend too much more time on it though, let's get the final to them so they can publish ASAP.
Thanks Klaas...I'll post all 3 versions together...
REMEMBER FOLKS...WE ARE LAYING OUT A FULL PAGE ARTICLE WITH PHOTOS...think about when we all worked on those college rags...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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Quote from: klaasend on May 26, 2008, 12:39:27 PM
I'm hoping Beth's attorney in the NL in including
Gielen
in his civil suit
I hope you are right. He would be a fool not to take the whole lot of them to court. Needs to be done to put a stop to this nonesense. Natalee needs to be returned NOW to her family and that whole island needs to be held accountable. Now out of here, severe storms moving in. What a way to spend my day off
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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VERSION # 1
XXXXXX...here is the UNFINISHED VERSION...PLEASE DO NOT PRINT IT.
I would like very much to know what You think...and what changes I should make...I'm not finished with it yet.
I would like it to be printed in PAP and Dutch...what do you think?
Thank You XXXXXXXX!
XXXXXX
Open Letter to the Good People of Aruba. We are looking for one Brave Heart.
Dear Friends of Aruba. We see how difficult times are hurting you, and your Families. We see how you work so very hard to earn a decent wage, to house, clothe, and feed your Families. We see how hard it is for you to watch the economy of Aruba sink lower than the evening tide...while those in power make more money, and you make less. We see how you take to the streets to make your voices heard. We hear your anger and Pain.
Our Hearts go out to you, the Good People of Aruba. The Good People that were there for us during our loss. The Good People that are still there. Our Loss of Natalee will never fade. And we Thank those of You who have grieved, and hoped for Justice with us.
We now grieve and hope for You, the Good People of Aruba. We grieve that a few wealthy, powerful people have put their own wants and needs, before a whole Island of Good hard working people. The Good People of Aruba, who have made Aruba their Home and Country. The Good People who have given Aruba the Life Blood, that made it the Jewel of the Carribean...but now that Jewel is tarnished for the whole world to see. Tarnished by a few corrupt and greedy people. Corrupt people who would rather see the Good People of Aruba live in fear. Fear of not being able to put food on the table. Fear of not being able to get their visas and the RIGHT TO STAY IN THE HOMES THEY BUILT on Aruba. Fear of speaking out against what they know is wrong.
We hope that only one person, with a good heart and pure soul, can end this injustice brought on so many, by the greed and corruption of so few.
Please, we pray, Let us join hands and hearts and bring justice to all. This boycott is held in place by a few corrupt and greedy people in Aruba....NOT the Good People of Aruba. It only takes one Brave Voice, one Brave Heart to make things right for the Good People of Aruba, and the sad friends and Family of Natalee.
You, the good people of Aruba, can make a difference and help this child and her family find peace.. It is Your voices that need to be heard. We have, Over the last three years, made justice for Natalee's cause for Justice has been a very high priority for many. and now call on you, the Good People of Aruba, to do likewise. To rise up and Demand that victims and the voices of their friends and families are heard by the judicial system. rapists and killers do not walk the streets where they make strike at you next. To make sure that Aruba is a just society free from racial discrimination, sexism, nepotism, cronyism and corruption. Aruba needs a Hero. One single voice could end the boycott, and make Aruba the shining Jewel she once was.
Aruba has the opportunity to return Natalee to her family. Aruba should be a society where all members are welcome and are free to achieve their dreams and wishes. It should not be a society where those with the connections use those connection to further their own greed and corruption. Are some above the law? Have mistakes been made? It only takes One Good, Brave People of Aruba to answer those questions. One Heart can break this boycott. The Good People of Aruba do not deserve this Boycott. The Good People of Aruba are paying for the sins of the corrupt few.
Presently Aruba has seen some very hard times due to the Natalee Holloway case. Tourists do not wish to spend their hard earned dollars on a vacation that does not afford all members of society equal justice. It is the weakest and smallest, the vulnerable that need protection. More than all others. They are often the victims of crimes and find themselves victimized all over again when Justice is denied.
I appeal to the Good People of Aruba to rise up and make your voices heard and to demand Insist on equality in the judicial system. Ensure that justice be served, to ensure that All receive the bare minimum that Justice provides. is available to everyone. I appeal to the Good People of Aruba to ensure your own peace and prosperity that the tourist's dollars delivers.
Only you, the Good People of Aruba, can make our voices heard and help to deliver Justice to Natalee and her loving Family. We appeal to you, to make those voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba from the rest of the world. We appeal to you to make your voices heard in the next election and to use your vote to end Injustice for Natalee.
I appeal to the people of Aruba to speak out for the vulnerable and weak, and for those that do not have a voice. If crime should knock on your door, who will speak for you?
We Pray that The Good People of Aruba see better times. We Pray that Natalee comes home to her grieving Family. We Pray for her Family to have the right to bury her in her home town where she was born, and lived her very short life. We Pray for a HERO FROM ARUBA.
Your safety is our first concern. We have set up a secure phone and fax line in the USA. If You are that Brave Hero...we promise to sing your praises in the House of God. For You will be the Saviour of Aruba, and the healer of grieving hearts of the Family and Frinds of Natalee.
Please Good People of Aruba. Help us bring Natalee home.
Bless You in your hard times. One Brave Heart is all that is needed.
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VERSION #2
THIS IS NOT READY FOR PRINTING...I NEED YOUR OPINIONS...THIS IS VERSION # 2
Thank YouXXXXXXX.
XXXXXXX
Open Letter to the Good People of Aruba. One Brave Heart is needed.
Dear Friends of Aruba. Difficult times are hurting you, and your families. You work so very hard to earn a decent wage, to house, clothe, and feed your families, and it must be difficult to watch the economy of Aruba sink lower than the evening tide...while those in power make more money, and you make less. You take to the streets to make your voices heard, and we share (deeply feel?) your Anger and Pain.
Our hearts go out to you, the Good People of Aruba, you sensitive and caring Arubans who were there for us during our loss. You Good People are still there. We thank those of you who have grieved and hoped for Justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade.
We now grieve and hope for you; we grieve that a few wealthy, powerful people have put their own wants and needs ahead of the needs of a whole island of good hard working people who have made Aruba their home and country, who have given Aruba their life blood and made it the Jewel of the Carribean. It was a truly wonderful island, and people from all over the world wanted to spend time there. Unfortunately the Jewel is tarnished, tarnished by a few corrupt and greedy people. These corrupt people would rather Arubans live in fear, fear of being hungry, homeless and without choices, afraid of speaking against what they know is wrong.
Aruba is seeing some very hard times due to the Natalee Holloway case. These three years have been devastating. Many tourists do not wish to spend their money on a vacation to a country that does not see to their safety and does not afford all members of society equal justice. It is the weakest and smallest, the vulnerable that need protection. They are most often the victims of crimes and lack of Justice.
We hope that only one person, a Hero with a good heart and pure soul, can end this injustice brought on so many, by the greed and fear of so few.
Please, we pray, Let us join hands and hearts and bring justice to all. This boycott is held in place by a few corrupt and greedy people in Aruba It only takes one Brave Voice, one Brave Heart to make things right for all Arubans and the sad friends and family of Natalee.
One Hero can make a difference and help this child and her family find peace. It is your voices that need to be heard. Over the last three years, Natalee's cause for Justice has been a very high priority for many. They now call on you to do likewise. For Natalee and for your own freedoms it is time to rise up and demand that victims and the voices of their friends and families be heard by the judicial system. Rapists and killers should not walk the streets where they may strike at you or your children. Make sure Aruba is a just society free from racial discrimination, sexism, nepotism, cronyism and corruption. Aruba needs a Hero. One single voice will make Aruba the shining Jewel she once was.
It will be an Aruban society that welcomes all members, and those members are free to achieve their dreams. It is not a society of connections, corruption and greed. In this society no one is above the law.
We appeal to the Good People of Aruba to rise up and make your voices heard and to demand, insist on equality in the judicial system. Ensure that justice be served. Ensure that All receive the bare minimum that Justice provides.
Only you, the Good People of Aruba, can make our voices heard and help deliver Justice to Natalee and her loving Family. May those voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba from the rest of the world. Speak up for the vulnerable and weak, and for those with no voice. Make your voices heard in the next election and use your vote to end Injustice for Arubans and for Natalee.
Lord hear our prayer that the Good People of Aruba see better times.
We Pray that Natalee comes home to her grieving Family so she may be buried in the town where she was born and lived.
We Pray for an Aruban Hero.
Your safety is our first concern. A secure phone and fax line in the USA has been set up. If You are that Brave Hero...we promise to sing your praises in the House of God. For You will be the Saviour of Aruba, and the healer of grieving hearts of the Family and Friends of Natalee.
Please Good People of Aruba. Help us bring Natalee home.
Bless You in your hard times. One Brave Heart is all that is needed.
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VERSION #3
Good Morning XXXXXXX...
Here is yet...another version of the Article....You and Mr. Mansur can take any parts of everything I've sent to you, put it back together and add anything he wants....
Thank You for Your Time!
Respect...XXXXXXX
Dear Friends of Aruba,
As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.
We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all.
We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.
It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.
Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.
We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…
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2 new emails these past few days
Hi XXXXXX
Its me again. Can you send me the article that you want to publish again?
I have tree the last version here, but I don't know that is the good one.
Maybe you have made some corection on it. Than it is better that you send me the final one.
Can you do it for me?
Thks
XXXXXXXXXXX
Have a nice day
Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 12:43 PM
Hello XXXXXXXX,
Thank You, and Mr. Mansur for the Article...I hope it helps bering some resolution to this case. Bless You Both for your help.
I'm working on some new things right now...will get some info to you next week.
Best Wishes,
XXXXXX
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 -
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Quote from: ******* on May 26, 2008, 11:55:51 AM
‘New’ evidence reinforces Beth Twitty’s lie
The computer print-out showing that Beth had lied about her arrival time in Aruba.
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – From a print-out of Natalee Holloway’s telephone it appears that the private jet of her mother Beth had already landed in Aruba at 17:15 on May 30. At least, that’s what TV-producer from Curacao, Renée Gielen says. She has the telephone print-out of Natalee’s cellular telephone.
This is very striking, says Gielen, because according to her, it means that Beth Holloway wanted to come to Aruba before Natalee was missing. “The print-out shows that Beth had called Natalee’s cell at 17:15. She did that from her own cell and she could not have done that while being in the air.” She emphasizes that it also means that the call was not done with a satellite telephone and it is also not probable that Beth’s private jet had made an intermediate landing from the United States. “That is not usual on these short flights. For that matter, she must have left even earlier.”
The print-out doesn’t show that it was a missed call, but that Beth had really talked to someone. Gielen assumes that she had talked to Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of Natalee during her vacation in Aruba. Besides, when Beth arrived in Aruba, she was carrying a stack of posters asking Natalee to call her. “This suggests that Beth must have known that there were problems, before Natalee disappeared”, says Gielen, who from the beginning of the disappearance case three years ago, is investigating the case.
Gielen and her team are now in the process of rounding off the documentary ‘‘Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines’ that is expected to be presented on June 2.
MISTAKEN
Gielen considers the print-out as new evidence that Beth had lied about the exact time of her arrival in Aruba. She has been declaring all along that she arrived in Aruba ‘around 23:00’. She also wrote this in her book ‘Loving Natalee’ that was published late last year. A former employee of the airport, Alberto G, said before the cameras of Gielen that the private-jet of Beth had landed at 19:45. He retracted his declaration, because, as he said, he was mistaken. He did this after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo that claim to be detectives, showed a computer print-out indicating that Beth had arrived earlier. G. confirmed the authenticity of that print-out.
The motive of Beth lying about her arrival time is still not clear. Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth. Also the police don’t know anything.
“The police say that there are no telephone data available from the radio tower equipment for that day,
which is very coincidentally
” says Gielen.
Former chief of police, Gerald Dompig told this newspaper earlier that at that time, the police had investigated the time line, the flight data, and also the flight movements.
Amigoe.com
Would this include a particular phone call from Natalee when she was in trouble. Why does everything focus around phone calls. I think someone is worried. Did Gielen meet with Dave Holloway? Why didn't she ask him when she interviewed him.
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Quote from: Destiny on May 26, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: klaasend on May 26, 2008, 12:41:46 PM
Thanks Destiny!
Post all three and we'll take a look at them. I don't think we should spend too much more time on it though, let's get the final to them so they can publish ASAP.
Thanks Klaas...I'll post all 3 versions together...
REMEMBER FOLKS...WE ARE LAYING OUT A FULL PAGE ARTICLE WITH PHOTOS...think about when we all worked on those college rags...
I just called Aruba...was told that Article will be published on Wednesday...in Papa and English...along with photos....let's try to get it finished by late tonight...they will also use the photo that Kermie provided...I sent that one to them last week...and some photo's of Natalee...and some stock in-house photos they have..I think of the searches...TIA...Destiny
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Quote from: Destiny on May 26, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
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Thanks Destiny!
Post all three and we'll take a look at them. I don't think we should spend too much more time on it though, let's get the final to them so they can publish ASAP.
Thanks Klaas...I'll post all 3 versions together...
REMEMBER FOLKS...WE ARE LAYING OUT A FULL PAGE ARTICLE WITH PHOTOS...think about when we all worked on those college rags...
I just called Aruba...was told that Article will be published on Wednesday...in Papa and English...along with photos....let's try to get it finished by late tonight...they will also use the photo that Kermie provided...I sent that one to them last week...and some photo's of Natalee...and some stock in-house photos they have..I think of the searches...TIA...Destiny
Email from last week:
HiXXXXXX,
How are you today?
I have been talking with Jossy Mansur about the article and he says to me that it is ok to published it in the newspaper.
About the other investigation of the dutch investigators he said to me that he don't know nothing about it, but he gone check it out.
The Texas Equisearch is now here for the investigation of the dissapearence of the guy Vicenzo Tromp. They has begin to search yesterday but till now we haven't hear nothing about that.
Some people says the guy is no more in Aruba, other says he is been killed, but still nothing concrete about it.
If I have more information I will send it to you.
Bye
Have a nice day
XXXXXXXXX
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Destiny, your post 563, was that from Jossy? Do you know who owns Amigo Newspaper?
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Destiny, your post 563, was that from Jossy? Do you know who owns Amigo Newspaper?
I'm dealing with Diario....and yes, Jossy of Diario is going to print our article...I don't really care about politics regarding this,,,I care about gettitg the word out....and WE get to write it...
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Destiny, I like the third one the best, and those was two different related questions. I think the article is great. I was wondering about the Amigo from something earlier posted in Shango/Simeon. Does that make sense?
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Destiny, I like the third one the best, and those was two different related questions. I think the article is great. I was wondering about the Amigo from something earlier posted in Shango/Simeon. Does that make sense?
Thanks...I too like the third one best....but, was thinking we could add a little from the first two...to make it longer....and find three photos of Natalee to submit...and one of Beth...plus the photo from Kermit...and whatever photos they use from their stock...
We want to fill a whole page...if we submit a print ready version...plus what they write...we can do it...it was a whole page I've been asking/working for...it just might happen...
No, I don't understand the Shango link...but please do fill me in
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‘New’ evidence reinforces Beth Twitty’s lie
The computer print-out showing that Beth had lied about her arrival time in Aruba.
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – From a print-out of Natalee Holloway’s telephone it appears that the private jet of her mother Beth had already landed in Aruba at 17:15 on May 30. At least, that’s what TV-producer from Curacao, Renée Gielen says. She has the telephone print-out of Natalee’s cellular telephone.
This is very striking, says Gielen, because according to her, it means that Beth Holloway wanted to come to Aruba before Natalee was missing. “The print-out shows that Beth had called Natalee’s cell at 17:15. She did that from her own cell and she could not have done that while being in the air.” She emphasizes that it also means that the call was not done with a satellite telephone and it is also not probable that Beth’s private jet had made an intermediate landing from the United States. “That is not usual on these short flights. For that matter, she must have left even earlier.”
The print-out doesn’t show that it was a missed call, but that Beth had really talked to someone. Gielen assumes that she had talked to Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of Natalee during her vacation in Aruba. Besides, when Beth arrived in Aruba, she was carrying a stack of posters asking Natalee to call her. “This suggests that Beth must have known that there were problems, before Natalee disappeared”, says Gielen, who from the beginning of the disappearance case three years ago, is investigating the case.
Gielen and her team are now in the process of rounding off the documentary ‘‘Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines’ that is expected to be presented on June 2.
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Gielen considers the print-out as new evidence that Beth had lied about the exact time of her arrival in Aruba. She has been declaring all along that she arrived in Aruba ‘around 23:00’. She also wrote this in her book ‘Loving Natalee’ that was published late last year. A former employee of the airport, Alberto G, said before the cameras of Gielen that the private-jet of Beth had landed at 19:45. He retracted his declaration, because, as he said, he was mistaken. He did this after the Americans Dan Young and Kelly Castillo that claim to be detectives, showed a computer print-out indicating that Beth had arrived earlier. G. confirmed the authenticity of that print-out.
The motive of Beth lying about her arrival time is still not clear. Despite many telephone calls and e-mails, Gielen didn’t manage to reach Beth. Also the police don’t know anything. “The police say that there are no telephone data available from the radio tower equipment for that day, which is very coincidentally” says Gielen. Former chief of police, Gerald Dompig told this newspaper earlier that at that time, the police had investigated the time line, the flight data, and also the flight movements.
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FWIW,
Most folks who have designed computer databases will recognize the screen shot shown in this picture as a screenshot of "input" fields on software -- NOT a report field...
meaning: You only see a computer screen that way while you are in "input" mode, not compiling a final result. The final result comes out in a "report" form that does not show the little boxes behind each information request.
That is why this supposed photo of evidence is a fake. Anyone who has worked with relational or flat file data base design programs will instantly recognize this for what it is.
Meaning: The only way this could have come from a telephone company as an official record is if someone typed in the information and then did a screen print before actually activating the search mode. NOTICE the very bottom of the form where there are two boxes for doing a search...This only appears BEFORE a search was initiated, not after the search was activated -- You see similar "forms" form when you sign into a website, too -- when you are asked for your name and password -- or if you do a google or yahoo search...
This "staged" crap has run its course... The folks should be prosecuted for "staging" so-called "evidence". THE ONLY PURPOSE FOR THIS KIND OF CRAP IS TO TRY TO SWAY PUBLIC OPINION IN THE FORM OF A LIE -- AFTER ALL, TRUTH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SOCIAL INVENTION -- Not necessarily based on actual fact.
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Oh, when I said LIFE above I meant for it to be LIE
Could someone please change that for me? Thanks
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Destiny, your post 563, was that from Jossy? Do you know who owns Amigo Newspaper?
UITGEVERIJ AMIGOE (ARUBA) N.V.
Business address PATIASTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company UITGEVERIJ AMIGOE (ARUBA) N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 3 MARCH 1961
Last amendment in the articles 3 JUNE 1976
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
UITGEVERIJ AMIGOE
(CURACAO)
Established at SCHERPENHEUVEL , CURACAO, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Since 7 JUNE 1978
Authority RESTRICTED
BOUWMAN, BRENDA OTILIA;
Residing in PIEDRA PLAT 99-C, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, AMSTERDAM on 2 OCTOBER 1961
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 1 OCTOBER 2006
Authority RESTRICTED
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