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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 - 5/31/08  (Read 165713 times)
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« Reply #740 on: May 31, 2008, 02:32:11 AM »



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #741 on: May 31, 2008, 02:41:39 AM »

Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it. 

it's probably under his pillow right now.

eeeewwwwwwwwwww......LOL

I am thinking the shoe was machine washed before they were hidden with whatever else may be there, meant to be found perhaps when this all went away pretty much (it hasn't) and it would have taken it away from the sloot house.  The shoe looks like someone tied it so the strings would not come out in washing.  The ALE (Vanderstratten? Jacobs?) found the shoe and gave it back to Palus to hide.  The little pastic thingie on the end is missing on one like they come off when washed.  The shoe was supposed to have been relatively new and a washing would take the little pastic off the end.  The other shoe, I sincerely believe is in that cage with NH. Jackb
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« Reply #742 on: May 31, 2008, 03:03:59 AM »

Hi Monkeys,

Three years. At least we heard Joran admit to it several months ago. I hope Beth is ok.

Good to see you YR.  Yes, I hope Beth is OK too, also Dave, Robin and Jug.

and Natalee's brother.

Thanks, Carpe, for the catch of the day--youtube.
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« Reply #743 on: May 31, 2008, 03:12:55 AM »

Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit Wink

Destiny, thanks for arranging that letter for us, friends of Natalee.  You have been going through a lot in your personal life, it must have taken a huge effort to stay focused and I appreciate it.  I appreciate all the other monkeys and their contributions, too. 

I am proud to stand with the monkeys.  We may bend, but we will never break.
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« Reply #744 on: May 31, 2008, 03:25:49 AM »

CHECK ONE TWO CHECK ONE TWO



The shoes are not the same.  The old shoe found has a place to lace on each letter strip on the side (one partially hidden) plus metal loop nearer the toe.  The newer looking shoe is minus the metal loop nearer the to area,  plus it may be one less at the very top of the shoe.  Also the older shoe has a red bottom, as what appears to be a red bottom of a shoe in the bag picture where it appears the head is lying upon the shoe.  jackb
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« Reply #745 on: May 31, 2008, 03:53:14 AM »


Lala's ... re Geraldo's ATM statements:

it was early june/at night
he was standing on a streetcorner
the wind was blowing his hair like crazy
he said he'd been talking to locals
who wished to remain anonymous
and he gestured over his shoulder
to another street/an alley where they'd been talking

there are posts which refer to what he said

the early posts are mostly mocking him
and some of the later posts salute his accuracy
in light of what developed as time went on:

1. ATM withdrawals
2. JvdS' lines of credit in casinos
3. JvdS drives the most tricked-out car on the island
4. underage-girl gang bang video

that was the list he stated and it's the damnedest thing
how the link to that video has disappeared

Geraldo left the island fairly soon afterward and some said:
he's a loose cannon/they pulled the plug on him ...
but in reality he left on pre-arranged leave

Marion June 17, 2005: Marion to Bermuda cruising yacht racers off to clean start.
Among the hundreds of amateur sailors in the fleet, celebrity Sir John Vereker, the Governor of Bermuda, is sailing on Babe with Dr Colin Couper and Geraldo Rivera is racing his own 70’ S&S custom Voyager, the vessel he sailed ‘round the world.
http://tinyurl.com/4ktfo8

he returned for a short time during that summer
and then left again for awhile
after his child was born aug 2, 2005

if anyone finds a link to that video/transcript  salut Cool

I found this in my notes: Tuesday, August 02, 2005
(not sure who the third/fourth posters were ...
ditto re "not supposed to mention his name")

chloe2 wrote:      
I wonder where that line of credit statement came from. I heard it a long time ago, but don't remember where.

Sooz wrote:      
Beth and Jug said it tonight in their interview with Greta. Or Beth said it, but it was just tonight.   

Yes, I heard Beth say it tonight. What I'm saying is... I've heard it before, early on in the case. I think I know what article it was in, but I can't find it yet, and we're not supposed to mention his name here.

I just remembered where I heard a couple of things talked about this week. One of the earliest Geraldo broadcasts reported that Joran was a well-known underage driver of one of the more tricked-out cars on the island & was rumored to have lines of credit at casinos. I remember thinking "daaaaamn". Never heard another word about it.

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The "line of credit" thing speaks volumes about how Joran got special considerations all over that island. I simply CANNOT believe that he wasn't able to get away with driving his own car around. I mean, they let him do everything else!

Just a thought there. Maybe he DID get to drive and we don't know it.

If that's so, why would he need a chauffeur? Maybe the brothers were along for "additional assistance?"
   
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SB maybe "Joran's" car was actually Deepak's. The kids at the lighthouse told Charles Croes that Deepak's car was Joran's and led him to the van der Sloot home. I didn't hear that they led him to the Kalpoe home. Maybe Joran drove Deepak's car a LOT.

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« Reply #746 on: May 31, 2008, 04:23:31 AM »

Thanks Finngirl...so it is possible that Geraldo is the one that first brought up the ATM withdrawals by Paulus....hmmmm. 
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« Reply #747 on: May 31, 2008, 06:35:47 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Look at me...all dressed up for the 4th of July and I got changed all by myself!! lol

Thanks CBB!!!
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« Reply #748 on: May 31, 2008, 07:45:35 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Look at me...all dressed up for the 4th of July and I got changed all by myself!! lol

Thanks CBB!!!

And...don't you look sooo cute!  Morning girl...Praying that the Universe is sending you all the tools to help you and your little Guy...deal with adversity... ((((((((((Idstlou and Little One))))))))

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« Reply #749 on: May 31, 2008, 08:44:05 AM »

Question...has anyone seen the hard copy/print version of Diario for yesterday...Friday...I'm interested to know if our article was in the paper.  I was told it would be printed in Pap and English...haven't seen anything in the forum about it yet...TIA

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« Reply #750 on: May 31, 2008, 08:48:26 AM »

Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit Wink

Destiny, thanks for arranging that letter for us, friends of Natalee.  You have been going through a lot in your personal life, it must have taken a huge effort to stay focused and I appreciate it.  I appreciate all the other monkeys and their contributions, too. 

I am proud to stand with the monkeys.  We may bend, but we will never break.

TY Bearly...but I must say...that letter was a group effort...many hearts and minds were the creators of the final product...a labor of love for Natalee...by many...
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« Reply #751 on: May 31, 2008, 09:26:46 AM »

Good morning, Destiny!! Not much to say, but thanks again for your hard work and "connections" on Aruba!!! (Didn't want you talkin' to yourself this morning  )
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« Reply #752 on: May 31, 2008, 09:27:52 AM »

Sat...NY Times online...our Article...link to SM..

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/aruba/index.html

Headlines Around The Web
What's This?
The Tipping Point

May 30, 2008
Dear Friends in Aruba - Natalee Holloway missing 3 years
Computer Business Review Online

May 29, 2008
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« Reply #753 on: May 31, 2008, 09:33:56 AM »

Good morning, Destiny!! Not much to say, but thanks again for your hard work and "connections" on Aruba!!! (Didn't want you talkin' to yourself this morning  )

LOL...Mornin' Wreck...I always talk to myself...but 'tis good to see you this morning...I finally got some sleep last night...feels so good...
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« Reply #754 on: May 31, 2008, 09:35:11 AM »

So it's quiet in here today?  I guess everyone slept in...
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« Reply #755 on: May 31, 2008, 09:36:47 AM »

From WebSleuths...our article with link to SM front page
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« Reply #756 on: May 31, 2008, 09:37:29 AM »

From WebSleuths...our article with link to SM front page

           
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This letter was submitted by a group at scaredmonkeys. Diario published this today on the Third Anniversary of Natalee's Disappearance. The monkeys are a very dedicated group of supporters of Natalee and her family.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

Dear Friends in Aruba

Friday, 30 May 2008


As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we come to you, the kind people of Aruba , to help heal our pain.

We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild, niece and friend. We need resolve and peace in her loss, and come to you to find this.

We know that Aruba also has suffered because of this tragedy. Together, with the common goal of bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a few, no matter where in this world it exists, threatens all of us.



<<please go to link for full content>>
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« Reply #757 on: May 31, 2008, 09:40:25 AM »

Posted at BFN regarding Joran's May 31, 2005 statement:

She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States.

All other statements have Natalee not wanting to return to the HI. Paulus was in attendance for this statement and I believe not for the others.
In this statement he admits to going into the water up to their knees. What ever for? Natalee was already very drunk according to Deepak and Satish. The interview with Greta he absolutely did not go in the water.

I would like to see the statements from around the time "something bad happened", because I believe he confessed. van der Stratten painted a rather strange picture of him and his emotions. He was interrogated long and very late. The OM was concerned it was not legal to do so. No counsel present, so Joran's statement was shredded? van der Stratten offered him a mental institution over jail time. Strange for a system that has no plea bargaining.
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« Reply #758 on: May 31, 2008, 09:53:22 AM »

Gretawire/fox  via google:

3 Years Ago Tonight…. « GretaWire
Dear Friends in Aruba Friday, 30 May 2008 As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we come to you, the kind people of Aruba , to help ...
feeds.foxnews.com/~r/blogs/Gretawire/~3/301554745/ - 116k - 13 hours ago - Cached - Similar pages
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« Reply #759 on: May 31, 2008, 09:58:00 AM »

Posted at BFN regarding Joran's May 31, 2005 statement:

She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States.

All other statements have Natalee not wanting to return to the HI. Paulus was in attendance for this statement and I believe not for the others.
In this statement he admits to going into the water up to their knees. What ever for? Natalee was already very drunk according to Deepak and Satish. The interview with Greta he absolutely did not go in the water.

I would like to see the statements from around the time "something bad happened", because I believe he confessed. van der Stratten painted a rather strange picture of him and his emotions. He was interrogated long and very late. The OM was concerned it was not legal to do so. No counsel present, so Joran's statement was shredded? van der Stratten offered him a mental institution over jail time. Strange for a system that has no plea bargaining.

right here is the kidnapping and he should have been made a formal suspect on the spot and charged with abduction and kidnapping.

we were told if you kidnap a person and do not return them - it's 8 years.

but NOOOOO

they claimed they were going after the whole enchilada... when in fact they were a big bunch of chulapas.

I'm ready to start year 4.

Good Morning everyone.

Great job once again Destiny.
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