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« Reply #840 on: May 31, 2008, 03:43:32 PM »

I am so sick of seeing Aruba(ATA and AHATA) handing out these worthless awards and certificates to the ignorant American tourists and the elderly there. I see it several times a day from scanning all of the Aruban papers. They will never ever get back the middle and upper class American travelers they once had,until Natalee receives her justice.
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« Reply #841 on: May 31, 2008, 04:10:07 PM »

Those shoes look anything but very small..In fact the looked big to me..IMO   

Diario was there when they took the pictures and said they were Large shoes and I believe them. I think the chances of this being the missing shoe is very slim,but I am not buying these were very small ladies shoes.
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ORANJESTAD - A pair of white sports shoes KSwiss yesterday for large consternation ensured in Aruba.

Initially it was thought that it was the missing pair of shoes Joran van der Sloot. He had in the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries announced that he had hidden his shoes. The couple that was found yesterday, was tucked away between a few stones near the spot where Holloway was seen for the last. It went according to the Public Prosecution Service not to the shoes of Joran. Spokesman Ann Angela:,, Joran has size 46 or 48, they are in a very small size. Moreover, it is a ladies.''

http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2332190/Schoenen_lsquoJoranrsquo_blijken_damesmaatje.html
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« Reply #842 on: May 31, 2008, 04:32:56 PM »

In case you are wondering...

Size 46 = size 12 U.S
Size 48 = size 14 U.S
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« Reply #843 on: May 31, 2008, 04:36:40 PM »

Those shoes look anything but very small..In fact the looked big to me..IMO   

Diario was there when they took the pictures and said they were Large shoes and I believe them. I think the chances of this being the missing shoe is very slim,but I am not buying these were very small ladies shoes.
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Shoes' Joran 'expressions damesmaatje
ORANJESTAD - A pair of white sports shoes KSwiss yesterday for large consternation ensured in Aruba.

Initially it was thought that it was the missing pair of shoes Joran van der Sloot. He had in the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries announced that he had hidden his shoes. The couple that was found yesterday, was tucked away between a few stones near the spot where Holloway was seen for the last. It went according to the Public Prosecution Service not to the shoes of Joran. Spokesman Ann Angela:,, Joran has size 46 or 48, they are in a very small size. Moreover, it is a ladies.''

http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2332190/Schoenen_lsquoJoranrsquo_blijken_damesmaatje.html
According to this chart:

http://www.veganline.com/shoe-sizes.htm

An European size 46 - 48 would be the equivalent size 11 - 13 U.S.
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« Reply #844 on: May 31, 2008, 04:38:34 PM »

My bad ---- 48 = size 14 U.S. male
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« Reply #845 on: May 31, 2008, 04:52:08 PM »

Where is the statement Joran gave to VanderStraaten and Jacobs?  In the book, he makes no mention of Kelly.  Does Kelly sign all of VanderStraaten's statements?
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« Reply #846 on: May 31, 2008, 04:57:37 PM »

Jacksonville surveillance planes bust huge shipments of cocaine

Two U.S. Custom and Border Protection surveillance planes based in Jacksonville helped authorities seize two different shipments of cocaine totaling about $80 million.
The first plane was alerted to a suspicious aircraft from Venezuela flying over Aruba May 11,according to a Custom and Border Protection news release. The surveillance plane tracked the aircraft to a remote airfield in Mexico. Local authorities seized the aircraft along with 2,640 pounds of cocaine worth about $24 million.
Another plane was patrolling the Caribbean Ocean near Nicaragua May 18 when it spotted a boat loaded with barrels. The occupants of the boat fled to the Nicaragua/Honduras coast before they ran aground and ditched the drugs. The plane directed the U.S. Coast Guard to the abandoned boat, which was filled with 6,215 pounds of cocaine valued at about $56 million, the news release said.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/05/30/jacksonville-surveillance-planes-bust-huge-shipments-of-cocaine/
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« Reply #847 on: May 31, 2008, 04:59:03 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html
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« Reply #848 on: May 31, 2008, 05:02:20 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.
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« Reply #849 on: May 31, 2008, 05:07:14 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

ALL styles of women's K-Swiss sport shoes:
http://www.shoebuy.com/k-swiss-womens.htm
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« Reply #850 on: May 31, 2008, 05:08:26 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.

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« Reply #851 on: May 31, 2008, 05:11:46 PM »

My answers in red...someone correct me if I am wrong...

quote from Whiskey Girl:
Maybe this is a revised statement?  One that was edited by PVDS at some point after 5/31/2005?  Maybe this version wasn't available? You can bet it was edited.  It's way too clean as compared to the other PV's of Joran.

I sometimes wonder if the other ALE folks were working on May 31, 2005? I never knew they worked any day...at least not without their morning shave and corn flakes.

Who would have been given copies of Joran's original 5/31/ statement?  Would besides Jacobs was working that day?  Maybe van der Straaten...according to Beth's book he was there on that day also.

Did they tape this interview? Supposedly they taped them all...they have been sucked up by the big black hole by now.

What else did Joran say that was not included in the PV (which is a summary or similar)?This PV was made to support the lie which both Deepak and Satish gave PV's concerning also. Notice that Joran's is very minimal as compared to his later one...few details as compared to Deepak's and Satish's witness statements...not much to get Joran on as far as a lie since it's more serious to lie as a witness than a suspect.

Was he questioned without his father present?
I am sure Paulus knew exactly what they were asking him whether he was present or not. He did call van der Straaten frequently those first few days.
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« Reply #852 on: May 31, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.

I may have missed this...did Diario say anything about the photo?  Any details as to when it was found or what happened to it?  I guess, I want to know the purpose of the photo being in the paper.
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« Reply #853 on: May 31, 2008, 05:33:28 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.

I may have missed this...did Diario say anything about the photo?  Any details as to when it was found or what happened to it?  I guess, I want to know the purpose of the photo being in the paper.

Hi everyone, something has been bugging me about the found shoe and the statement that it's a woman's shoe.  To me, the graffiti type of design towards the heel of the shoe is masculine, almost skaterish (if that's a word  ). 
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« Reply #854 on: May 31, 2008, 05:38:55 PM »

Where is the statement Joran gave to VanderStraaten and Jacobs?  In the book, he makes no mention of Kelly.  Does Kelly sign all of VanderStraaten's statements?

Here is the link Buckeye.

Joran van der Sloot - May 31, 2005 statement and addendum from BFN

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
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We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.
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« Reply #855 on: May 31, 2008, 05:39:44 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.

I may have missed this...did Diario say anything about the photo?  Any details as to when it was found or what happened to it?  I guess, I want to know the purpose of the photo being in the paper.

Hi everyone, something has been bugging me about the found shoe and the statement that it's a woman's shoe.  To me, the graffiti type of design towards the heel of the shoe is masculine, almost skaterish (if that's a word  ). 

I have seen that on Womens Shoes..What bothers me is they said it was a very small shoe 

Diario received a tip about the shoe and went there to take pics and investigate,that is all I know. That shoe could have dissapeared forever once in the hands of the ALE and they can say whatever they want about it. The good news is we have 2 pictures. If that is proven to be a man's shoe and not a very small womans shoe they are in deep sh$%
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« Reply #856 on: May 31, 2008, 05:41:43 PM »

Womens K-Swiss sport shoes for comparison:

http://www.sidelineapparel.com/womens-kswiss-shoes.html

I contacted this company on friday to ask if they can distinguish if this was a man or a womans shoe and also a possible size. I am also curious about the substance that looks like mud or blood on the front of the shoes. That shoe better not have dissapeared like the rest of the possible evidence in this case.

I may have missed this...did Diario say anything about the photo?  Any details as to when it was found or what happened to it?  I guess, I want to know the purpose of the photo being in the paper.

Hi everyone, something has been bugging me about the found shoe and the statement that it's a woman's shoe.  To me, the graffiti type of design towards the heel of the shoe is masculine, almost skaterish (if that's a word  ). 

I have seen that on Womens Shoes..What bothers me is they said it was a very small shoe 

Diario received a tip about the shoe and went there to take pics and investigate,that is all I know. That shoe could have dissapeared forever once in the hands of the ALE and they can say whatever they want about it. The good news is we have 2 pictures. If that is proven to be a man's shoe and not a very small womans shoe they are in deep sh$%

No way is that a small shoe.  The coverup continues.
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« Reply #857 on: May 31, 2008, 05:47:35 PM »

Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!

What is BNH ?

more about Renee Gielen 

May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)
NEW evidence??????? for WHO ? for what ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
 

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

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February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.

So the fist time Beth landed at 19.45  and 3 month's later  at 17.15   

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« Reply #858 on: May 31, 2008, 05:51:42 PM »

I don't know how to get a picture on here yet to make this easier, but it appears the shoe was not always laced that tightly.  If you look at the 2nd, 4th and 5th eyelets the lace seems to be clean.  That doesn't provide any firm answer, however it does lend some credence to the shoe having been in someone's possession then placed there near to the time the picture was taken.
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« Reply #859 on: May 31, 2008, 05:58:16 PM »

Ok....something really smells here... perhaps the original statement was used to wrap fish?

Remember our infamous prosecutor of that time?

Something bothers me here...This supposed confession; the discarded confession that Beth saw; the revelation that the OM might have suggested the first session was too long without an attorney present? OM = who?; and remember this?

Something about our illustrious lady prosecutor using video tapings of witness interviews as some form of excuse?  Remember that one?  Reveladed by her former assistant -- justification for the delays between interogations and arrest?  That VIDEO tapings were made of the suspects and under review in Holland, or something like that?

Who has those videos and what do they show?  Are they secretly recorded videos?  Do these videos of the interrogation room contain some of the information that later denied Paulus his compensation?

Does Holland have those videos?

Can someone press Jossy about that?

btw, regarding the shoe...It is obvious to me that the quick response from OM is an indication the shoe is "hot" and they want to drop the subject so it does not get stretched any more in speculation.... jmo
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