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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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May 30, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
Well, in my defense, Waterboy reported a tunnel under the lighthouse and Joran was supposed to have a key on that fateful nite, but I am fllattered you remember my posts in all your reading.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:45:12 AM
Unless, of course....
The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...
That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...
After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood? and that blood is Nats? And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran? Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go? Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?
Questions... Real McCoy?
I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.
It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say. Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is. I believe that. jackb
I think it is very telling renho is not announcing it is a fake. Even RU is speculating on the shoe.
I am leaning towards it was found long ago, tucked away, and just brought out and planted. If so, there may be a good chance any dna on the shoe is not too degraded.
We can only hope and pray this leads us to justice.
hmmm....maybe satish DID go back and collect the shoe? Kept it for safe keeping??!!
I think this evidence was some taken by the ALE. Remember one shoe was picked up by ALE. It looks quite preserved and either they brought it out and placed it or someone may have preserved it somewhat. There is the question I have of what may be a brick of vaacum packed pieces of fabric just below the shoe to the readers right. Sort of square and at first glance appears to be a rock. jackb
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:49:54 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.
and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.
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In Plain View it says....
http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/calif.html
California Lighthouse
Aruba
In November on 1997, my new wife and I were fortunate enough to honeymoon in the tropics of Aruba. While enjoying the pleasures of the island, we made it a point to seek out and find the California Lighthouse. On a jeep tour of the island, we drove to the north western tip where we could drive up to the base of the lighthouse. The lighthouse was built between 1914 and 1916 on a small plateau named Hudishibana, and Aruban Indian name. The lighthouse was named after a steamship which wrecked just off the coast on September 23, 1891.
The lighthouse stands a couple of hundred yards from the Tierra del Sol Golf Course, in
plain view
of the town of
Malmok
. Adjacent to the tower are the famous California sand dunes.
The lighthouse is not open to the public, the massive door at the base is securely locked so as not to allow entry. On close inspection, one can see that the windows have been cracked and some have holes. There are streaks of rust that run down the sides of the tower from the lantern room that look like the tracks of tears from a run down tower.I think it would be great to see this tower refurbished and brought back to its glory.
Directions: the island of Aruba is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide. Take either 1B or 2B all the way to Malmok. From Malmok you will be able to see the tower in the north.
Click here for an interesting page that sells a collectible of this lighthouse
In PLAIN VIEW of MALMOK (where Koen and Sander lived)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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May 30, 2008, 02:13:52 PM »
Quote from: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:09:48 PM
Well, in my defense, Waterboy reported a tunnel under the lighthouse and Joran was supposed to have a key on that fateful nite, but I am fllattered you remember my posts in all your reading.
I process most of the front page posts before they go through, so I at least have to "scan" them first prior to approving. I do remember your posts about the lighthouse though because I've always believed they did go to the Lighthouse area and the Rock Area nearby.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
I believe we all have to be worried that the shoe does not end up where the "belt" ended up... right?
Lala's is right about being cautious --
But I do disagree on the evidence point...
IF there is a dna match to Joran (His shoe) and IF there is a dna match to Natalee (blood if it exists) and IF a forensic lab determines it is vintage 2005 then this is enough to establsh not only habeas corpus (in the form of the blood) but also incriminating evidence that joran is involved (in the form of HIS shoe)... This, combined with the OTHER evidence ALE has in it's arsenal could hang him very very high... The shoe size, in my opinion, is no longer a defense because the shoe show curling... I am sure an expert can be called to substantiate what happens to shoes when they are too large...
Which leads us to this -- and I believe Lala's point: Who?
Who had the shoe and why?
Certainly the case could conceivably be tried on the shoe alone if it matches the above criteria... but the chances of conviction are not as great... wjy? The person who planted the shoe is a major witness... the "slam dunk" if it will... Joran is toast if all the conditions of the above are met AND the witness comes forward...
That is exactly what is likely to happen. Sorry for my pessimism, but how many times have we seen this happen before? If someone truly had evidence(sneaker) why would they leave it for ALE to find ?or for someone to find it and turn it over to ALE? Equusearch has been on the island for weeks, Tim again recently in Aruba........
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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May 30, 2008, 02:21:16 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:49:54 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.
and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.
297-5860786
special on goat stew today
In Plain View it says....
http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/calif.html
California Lighthouse
Aruba
In November on 1997, my new wife and I were fortunate enough to honeymoon in the tropics of Aruba. While enjoying the pleasures of the island, we made it a point to seek out and find the California Lighthouse. On a jeep tour of the island, we drove to the north western tip where we could drive up to the base of the lighthouse. The lighthouse was built between 1914 and 1916 on a small plateau named Hudishibana, and Aruban Indian name. The lighthouse was named after a steamship which wrecked just off the coast on September 23, 1891.
The lighthouse stands a couple of hundred yards from the Tierra del Sol Golf Course, in
plain view
of the town of
Malmok
. Adjacent to the tower are the famous California sand dunes.
The lighthouse is not open to the public, the massive door at the base is securely locked so as not to allow entry. On close inspection, one can see that the windows have been cracked and some have holes. There are streaks of rust that run down the sides of the tower from the lantern room that look like the tracks of tears from a run down tower.I think it would be great to see this tower refurbished and brought back to its glory.
Directions: the island of Aruba is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide. Take either 1B or 2B all the way to Malmok. From Malmok you will be able to see the tower in the north.
Click here for an interesting page that sells a collectible of this lighthouse
In PLAIN VIEW of MALMOK (where Koen and Sander lived)
I saw that as soon as I hit post...Hmmmmm!!!! Koen has the alibi so tight!!!! (I think)!!!
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Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.
I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?
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Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them. Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse. How do you find a good Italian when you need one?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I found a phone number - I calling now
You Go Rob....Klaas...I thoink Rob needs his own little switchboard...LOL
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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May 30, 2008, 02:36:51 PM »
Quote from: jackb on May 30, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:45:12 AM
Unless, of course....
The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...
That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...
After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood? and that blood is Nats? And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran? Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go? Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?
Questions... Real McCoy?
I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.
It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say. Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is. I believe that. jackb
I think it is very telling renho is not announcing it is a fake. Even RU is speculating on the shoe.
I am leaning towards it was found long ago, tucked away, and just brought out and planted. If so, there may be a good chance any dna on the shoe is not too degraded.
We can only hope and pray this leads us to justice.
hmmm....maybe satish DID go back and collect the shoe? Kept it for safe keeping??!!
I think this evidence was some taken by the ALE. Remember one shoe was picked up by ALE. It looks quite preserved and either they brought it out and placed it or someone may have preserved it somewhat. There is the question I have of what may be a brick of vaacum packed pieces of fabric just below the shoe to the readers right. Sort of square and at first glance appears to be a rock. jackb
Unknown what that is. Do agree that the items look placed, rather than just fell there. Plus it doesn't look weathered enough. Still always hopeful that it belongs to Joran.
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Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.
It was excellent!!!
Janet
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!
Good Morning! I told them not to wake you! LOL
Mum ... I did not mind at all. This letter was the best wake up call ever. It cleared the cobwebs ... gave me a buzz and ... I have yet to have my first cuppa of coffee.
Now I better think about getting out of my flannel nighty and combing my bed head hair. Not a pretty sight!
Janet
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Janets back ! Janets back!
Now where is Robots? Robots please get in here! Ok I will have to do my best impersonation. Come on Robots Robots Robots you know you want to tell us about those sneakers..........
i hate them all so much
i really do
and i dont ask for forgiveness from the man upstairs when it comes to hating JERK OFFS like these people
he will deal with me... in his way.. and i accept the punishment for hating them
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Quote from: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them. Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse. How do you find a good Italian when you need one?
I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....
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Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them. Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse. How do you find a good Italian when you need one?
I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....
Don't see any cell towers either......
http://iweb.tntech.edu/bmohr/lighthouse1.jpg
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Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.
I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?
all found in that pond during that search after it was drained.
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Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them. Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse. How do you find a good Italian when you need one?
I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....
Here is one of the links Crossbow posted on the front page of SM (I don't see a mine):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbglasson/306521513/
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Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them. Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse. How do you find a good Italian when you need one?
I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....
Here is one of the links Crossbow posted on the front page of SM (I don't see a mine):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbglasson/306521513/
Oh I see thanks Klaas it is on the Tierra del Sol side. Is that where the tunnel is?
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- I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines
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The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture. Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble. Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire. when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled. When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith. And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl
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Quote from: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.
I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?
all found in that pond during that search after it was drained.
I read about 3 mos or so, plus or minus about a "tourist" finding a shoe. I am thinking it is the same one. If so this knowledge has been known for awhile. Perhaps it is coming out because it will be announced there is evidence pretty soon. Maybe, who knows?
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BB
- I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines
Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).
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===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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