Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 - 5/31/08

[San]

CHECK ONE TWO CHECK ONE TWO

The arch is different.  He wears shoes with an arch.  The one they found are flat.

[Rob]

UPDATE

[Destiny]

Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...

this comes re-phrased from the Diario article.

it says that shoes were placed there on purpose.

and people who are familiar with the case (like the Monkeys or people who watch Peter R. de Vries) recognized it as JvdS white K-Swiss shoes (because JvdS said he lost and later said he dumped his white K-Swiss shoes).

i don't think it means that these people have actually seen the shoes first hand.

Exactly...because I was told today that Jossy also recieved other info from the shoe source...but was told they could not talk about it now...that Jossy is actively investigating many aspects of the case....

I am sure I will be flamed for this, but I am not feeling at all good about the fact that Jossy may be investigating aspects of this case. While one part of my thinking feels Jossy has wanted to help and been dedicated to the causes of finding Natalee and getting justice........there are the memories about the many witnesses, clues, sightings that have never  panned out. No answers to questions, no condoms with owners......

BB no flaming here Sweetie...the only thing I do know for a fact is...I called requested photos of the drained pond...and 2 people were sent...and we got them the same day....I have those same queasy feelings myself sometimes...but I figure...any info...is better than no info...and we did get our Article in the paper for Free...On the date I requested...

[Observer]

I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.

[Buckeye]

if the shoe is too small.
the OM should provide the size number against JvdS size number.
and show what different there is in men/women shoe for this type.

and/or do a DNA test on the shoes.

not just dismiss the shoes.

they obviously don't care.
or they actually do care, but to keep the cover-up in place, therefore the shoes needed to be dismissed by the OM ASAP.

maybe the shoes now are already in the garbage, or burned and gone forever.

Yep.  The shoe's too small....the belt's too big.....

Just do the forensics already!!!

[Buckeye]

How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

[Observer]

Natalee Tribute by BK179

natalee ann missing 36 month from aruba..
we need justice for holloway now..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPCiYGn3oow

[Lala'sMom]

Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

[Destiny]

I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.

******* is observing....    I agree...

[klaasend]

I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.

They are tied the way I would tie shoes I was going to carry and not wear.  I might even tie both shoes together.

[Rob]

Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it. 

it's probably under his pillow right now.

[Buckeye]

Posted by Jonathan at RU, regarding Joran's statement:

Jonathan  PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:04 pm         

I notice this PV confirms that C. Croes was correct, Joran was initially claiming that Natalee was the girl whose money he won back in the casino, not Ruth. So he changed his story about that sometime between 5/31 and 6/9. Did someone tell him the casino tapes showed something different?

I don't believe he just got them confused- Ruth and Natalee look nothing alike. He lied about that for some reason.

Also noteworthy that his bj in the car lie isn't in this statement, either, altho he made that claim to Croes less than 12 hours earlier.

[Destiny]

I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.

They are tied the way I would tie shoes I was going to carry and not wear.  I might even tie both shoes together.

BINGO!...Plus...they might be curled up at the toe area...from being stuffed in a hidey hole...

[Destiny]

Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it. 

it's probably under his pillow right now.

eeeewwwwwwwwwww......LOL

[San]

[Observer]

Reconstructie Per.verz ft. Risskant ft. Ad Rem (by Ricardo Q) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-VSmEpReAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFUiTmpT-M

[Linda in MD]

From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)

[Destiny]

Posted by Jonathan at RU, regarding Joran's statement:

Jonathan  PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:04 pm         

I notice this PV confirms that C. Croes was correct, Joran was initially claiming that Natalee was the girl whose money he won back in the casino, not Ruth. So he changed his story about that sometime between 5/31 and 6/9. Did someone tell him the casino tapes showed something different?

I don't believe he just got them confused- Ruth and Natalee look nothing alike. He lied about that for some reason.

Also noteworthy that his bj in the car lie isn't in this statement, either, altho he made that claim to Croes less than 12 hours earlier.

Good catch...thanks Buckeye

[ldstlou]

How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

you are right , man, the renho is not the brightset bulb in the pack is she...she sounds more and more like joran everyday!!!

[yuknomenot]

Hi everyone, it appears to me that the found show is a different style than the shoe he is wearing in the interview.  The interview shoe has more of a cross-trainer type sole, while the found shoe has a flat sole.  Is this picture from the interview where he claimed he was wearing the same shoes that were lost?  Another thought, even though the shoes appear to be different styles, that doesn't mean the found shoe isn't his, he could have had more than one pair of K-Swiss.