Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 - 5/31/08

[casa]

a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it. 

I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 

I didn't know you posted that.  Great minds and all...
 

lol yes!  Great minds!

[Bearlyhere]

Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now  

I also heard that Glenda/Julia is a member there along with that nut called Obscuregawdess that worships Joran.

Casa, I have been trying to catch you online.  I have a friend for you.

             
                  Now what do I do?

How cute, Bearly!  I love my new friend!  Thanks for thinking of me!

You're welcome.  I love the fat tail and the picture was labeled the way I posted.

[Helen Back]

Good morning everyone! 

Beginning of year four......count me in for the duration!

Great job Destiny and everyone on the letter.  It seems to be getting a lot of circulation throughout the US news media as well.  Excellent.

With every passing fiasco, it is abundantly clear to even the most casual ******* that Aruban officials have never had the intention of investigating Natalee's disappearance.  If you could manage to discount almost everything about the case, you cannot get around the fact that Natalee was kidnapped and she disappeared.
Why those responsible for her kidnapping and subsequent disappearance have not been charged, is unexplainable.

Renee Gielen's upcoming "production" will only further demonstrate the rampant and continuing collusion against, and defamation of Natalee and her family.  With every moment of inaction that passes, Aruban officials dig a deeper hole for the island. 

One day, when the truth is known and there is some measure of justice for Natalee and her family, the island of Aruba and her people may recover. 

The corrupt regime and their cronies who have orchestrated this disaster will never recover, and will carry this shameful legacy forever.




 

[Peaches]

a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it. 

I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

  casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

It's not just you, honey.  I don't get it at all.  I hope Robin has a solid plan for whatever she's doing.  Who knows? 

Good morning....

[Destiny]

a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it. 

I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

  casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

It's not just you, honey.  I don't get it at all.  I hope Robin has a solid plan for whatever she's doing.  Who knows? 

Good morning....

Morning Sweet Peaches...I personally think Robin is hungry for attention...so the rats are kissing up to her....I don't think that Robin is totally aware of how devious they are...JMOO

[Lala'sMom]

Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig 

look closer not just goat parts,human too

HMMMM!  Shades of Shango...again...Santeria...Marvel comics....mythology....animal sacrifice...this sounds like Ghostbusters....


Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


OK, I will behave now...maybe...sorta...well...

[Lala'sMom]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

[Tamikosmom]

Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  :

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Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
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We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.

I dreamed about this statement last night.

 

The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied if the attorneys of the Security Guards and the Kalpoes were not given access to Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration ... it meant that Joran did not implicate their clients.

Well ... the above statement which appears to be Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration does implicate both the Kalpoes and the security guards.

Why was this declaration not given to the Kalpoes' and the security guards' attorneys in the defense of their clients?

Also ... why did John Kelly not have access to any declaration given by Joran prior to his detention.  He was not denied access to the Kalpoes' witness statements of May 31, 2005?

Janet

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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE - JORAN'S MISSING WITNESS STATEMENT

Vivian van der Biezen
Nancy Grace
June 10, 2005

VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005

GRACE: Karl, let me get this straight. As you know, in America, when there are several suspects, as we call them co-defendants, they all get the statements of each other. Is that not true in Aruba?

PENHAUL: What one of the chief prosecutors has told us so far, Nancy, is that at this stage, in this stage of the investigation, she`s under no obligation to give full disclosure of all of the facts and all the evidence that she has. She`s not under any obligation to give all of the witness statements to the defense attorneys of the other defendants or the other suspects in this case.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html
 

KALPOE'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: ... The other motion was by one of the defense attorneys from the Kalpoe brothers asking for more evidence and documents to be included in the dossier against his client so that he can prepare a defense.
It`s not clear precisely what documentation the Kalpoe brother`s attorney was looking for. But certainly, he`s looking for more evidence, more facts about the evidence that the prosecutors have against his clients.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005

PENHAUL: ... In the evidence that has so far been put in some of the dossiers presented as evidence against the first two suspects, his (Joran) witness statement isn`t there.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


SECURITY GUARD'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Chris Lejuez - Security Guard Attorney
NANCY GRACE
June 9, 2005

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: Nancy, I have seen only the statements of two of the three men. The evidence that I got, the documentation, the files that I received from the prosecutor`s office contained only two of the statements.

My colleague has asked the prosecutor why only the two, not the one of the Dutch boy? She was told by the prosecutor, at least by the prosecutor`s office, that that statement would not be relevant to the case of her suspect, her client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html


JOHN KELLY DENIED JVS WITNESS STATEMENT

John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008

KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

[San]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Guy in the red shirt.

[Buckeye]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198

[MumInOhio]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Sorry I saw Buckeye's post earlier and didn't have time to respond...IIRC Shanira Baldock Kelly.(sp) Female, I think...and there is pics of her at the ALE site, but I can't recall the site name right now! Under photos...few of our friends are there...or were a couple of weeks ago!

Can some-one else help with the link please?  TIA

[klaasend]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198

[MumInOhio]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Guy in the red shirt.

Darn San...then I definately was looking at the wrong person. Thanks!

[klaasend]

Shanira or Shaniro?  I remember a girl - searching my photos now.   

[Destiny]

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:wdG1Z5YjRjQJ:www.coffeepotghost.com/SPIRIT_VOICE_ITC_RECORDINGS_October_2007.html+human+virgin+sacrifice+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Long page about Shango and Cannibalism and ritual sacrifice on Aruba...current times...not the past...


Quote from site by site owner:
Q: Please identify "Honey" and "Glenda"; real names; other nick-names; ANY INFO. PLEASE

I know...it's one of those days for me...I was researching this a couple of weeks ago...

[2NJSons_Mom]

Destiny,

Just wondering if your contact in Aruba would mail you a hard copy of the article...of course a PO Box would be good, but most don't have one....just thinking....

[MumInOhio]

Shanira or Shaniro?  I remember a girl - searching my photos now.   

This from my notes from the Dr. Phil docs...maybe there is two??/

Shaniro Baldrik
Shaniro Kelly
Shaniro Baldrik Kelly

[Tamikosmom]

Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  :

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Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:

On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
 
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
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I contend that the above addendum was included in Joran's original May 31, 2005 declaration and ... the original declaration expanded the Fisherman's Hut account to include Natalee's apparent seizures.

I speculate that this is the reason that the declaration was destroyed and was never released to the attorney's of the Kalpoes and the security guards to prepare their defence.

I suspect that the torn statement that Beth saw on Dennis Jacob's desk on June 1, 2005 was Joran's original witness statement and ... an edited version was recently fabricated and ... purposely leaked.

Something had to be done because Monkeys were still demanding three years later ... "What happened to Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement?"

Janet

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THE SEIZURES

Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008

HOLLOWAY: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008

TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 
 
Beth Holloway
CNN - LARRY KING LIVE
February 7, 2008

HOLLOWAY: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ...

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.


THE TORN STATEMENT
 
Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 76

The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?

[MumInOhio]

Klaas...this is the site that I found pics at, but I can't seem to find their site now...LOL...The Aruba Police Corps (KPA)...

[klaasend]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Sorry I saw Buckeye's post earlier and didn't have time to respond...IIRC Shanira Baldock Kelly.(sp) Female, I think...and there is pics of her at the ALE site, but I can't recall the site name right now! Under photos...few of our friends are there...or were a couple of weeks ago!

Can some-one else help with the link please?  TIA

http://www.kparuba.com/

http://www.kparuba.com/albums/pd3/index.html