Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 - 5/31/08

[Observer]

Another site with lots of pictures of the party's and bars in Aruba. Yes many women in Aruba have large breasts,but it's obvious theres a doctor on that island that is making a bundle 

(Loco Stef is in at least a dozen pictures) mifmaruba.com

[San]

Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!

What is BNH ?

more about Renee Gielen 

May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)
NEW evidence??????? for WHO ? for what ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
 

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

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on the nwo blogje on February 26th, 2008 at 3:31
 
Renee Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.

So the fist time Beth landed at 19.45  and 3 month's later  at 17.15   

Big Nut House

[Buckeye]

Where is the statement Joran gave to VanderStraaten and Jacobs?  In the book, he makes no mention of Kelly.  Does Kelly sign all of VanderStraaten's statements?

Here is the link Buckeye.

Joran van der Sloot - May 31, 2005 statement and addendum from BFN

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
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We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.

Thanks San.

My problem is, that in Joran's book, this is how the statement is given:

In the interrogation room there’s a chair for me and one for Van der Straaten but not for my dad. That is being brought. Jan van der Straten returns with a chair and he is followed by officer Jacobs. They are sitting opposite to me behind a simple table and ask me to explain them what exactly happened that night. I talk and they listen without asking many questions.

So.....does Kelly sign all statements??  Does Van der Straaten NOT sign statements??  Why on the official statement is it not even mentioned that VanderStraaten is in the room???  Was Kelly in the room? 

[casa]

Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!

What is BNH ?

more about Renee Gielen 

May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)
NEW evidence??????? for WHO ? for what ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
 

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

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on the nwo blogje on February 26th, 2008 at 3:31
 
Renee Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.

So the fist time Beth landed at 19.45  and 3 month's later  at 17.15   

Big Nut House

San!  I love it! 

[Kermit]

Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198

http://boostunit.com/sc/index.php?table_name=sc&function=search&where_clause=&page=&order=Car&order_type=ASC
(I don't know if that link will work anymore)
BUT Shaniro Baldrik KELLY races cars
Like Steve Croes
and Maxito Arrendz - who runs a red mustang

[bleachedblack]

yuknomenot wrote;

No way is that a small shoe.  The coverup continues.

I have to agree, there is no way that is a small shoe. The way in the photo, it bends where the base of the toes would start happens in large size shoes. Just try to get a woman's sneaker size 7 or 8 to bend like that ......it ain't easy even after they are worn for awhile.

[dennisintn]

Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!

What is BNH ?

more about Renee Gielen 

May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)
NEW evidence??????? for WHO ? for what ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
 

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

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on the nwo blogje on February 26th, 2008 at 3:31
 
Renee Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.

So the fist time Beth landed at 19.45  and 3 month's later  at 17.15   

Big Nut House

San!  I love it! 

when and what stations are going to show "gielen's garbage" fantasymentory?
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Dennis  - I believe I read at RU that her documentary will be available on June 2nd, don't know what station will be airing it (if any  )

[Blue Moon]

Dennis  - I believe I read at RU that her documentary will be available on June 2nd, don't know what station will be airing it (if any  )

I get my blood pressure up every time this _itch's name is brought up.  She needs to be taken down for the garbage she is putting out there via Anita and her good friend Renho.  I don't put any hope in Dave and Robin helping in this situation so I am putting my trust in Beth to do the dirty work again.  Where is Private Eye and Ocean Ex?  Did they desert us? Need to calm down, Need to go clean out more closets

[Observer]

Big Nut House

San!  I love it! 

when and what stations are going to show "gielen's garbage" fantasymentory?
dennisintn

You know darn well this will be all over Amigoe and Bon Dia and covered in every Dutch newspaper,as well as the Aruban television stations like ATV and Tele-Aruba. It will be put in the Aruban Police site where they can put it with all the other lies from her. Her last Documentary was covered by a Dutch station,I forget which one at the moment.

Not only is Renee Gielen one evil sick person but I am starting to think she is retarted as she is saying nothing new and everyone knows they are obvious lies. I guess it doesnt matter because people like her and the psychics can be paid to lie by the Aruban Govt and never have to show proof of anything or answer any questions. They just throw this shit out there and never have to answer anything. I hope on June 2nd this all backfires because it is only making people angrier and angrier and the Aruban people know it.

[jackb]

I don't know how to get a picture on here yet to make this easier, but it appears the shoe was not always laced that tightly.  If you look at the 2nd, 4th and 5th eyelets the lace seems to be clean.  That doesn't provide any firm answer, however it does lend some credence to the shoe having been in someone's possession then placed there near to the time the picture was taken.

Lets suppose it is, and likely it is a shoe related to this case.  I have my reasons for supposing this.  Some of which are obvious to most.
It would be likely, I will will repeat once more, that this would be the shoe found and returned to the vandersloots by the ALE.  The shoe was most likely tied like that before a washing  before even the ALE found it and returned it to the VdSloots.  The other shoe was most likely with the body and still may be.  The shoe found rather recently is tied tight because either the male Vdsloots washed it before the maid got a hold of it and who would most likely have removed the strings to wash it.  This shoe may have been hidden close to where Palus' telephone was found before the shoe was found. Most likely he has hidden other evidence in the area.  That shoe should have been in evidence, but the ALE, keeping with their pattern gave the shoe back to Joran and Pvs (most likely Anita knows) and they saw fit to get rid of it.  Maybe Joran did try to find a mate for one shoe.  He probably never has had to take responsibility for anything in his life and never had any idea shoes had to be sold as a pair.  The shoes were tied as someone who would have not wanted the shoe string to come out when washed.  Either a male would have done it or someone not used to washing and just figured it was clean enough to pass.  The other shoe was long gone before this particular shoe was hidden as it went with the body by whomever got rid of the evidence the first time.  The body may have washed back and they reburied the body and evidence and eventually too this to the open sea.  Jackb

[Blonde]

Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!

What is BNH ?

more about Renee Gielen 

May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)
NEW evidence??????? for WHO ? for what ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
 

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

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on the nwo blogje on February 26th, 2008 at 3:31
 
Renee Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.

So the fist time Beth landed at 19.45  and 3 month's later  at 17.15   

It's Bring Natalee Home Site
It's Robin Holloway's, Reality, Mip6,  site
and a lot of  Invisible Users
 Glenda is there and Rene was invited.
It's where the cage pictures came from that were NOT to get out.
Oceanexploration was upset that Robin posted them
 and someone took them from the forum and you know the rest.

Be Careful in there is all I can say.

[mrskub]

I'm confused. Maybe a Monkey friend can help me here. IIRC, the reports stated a "pair" of sneakers/tennis shoes were found. Why are we only seeing pictures of one sneaker, the left one. Where's the other one. or am I missing something.

[casa]

This is Robin's reaction to Glenda joining BNH.

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It's about time Just kidding, but glad you did join here. Thank you Glenda! This means a lot to us!

[Observer]

OT..Wreck I had to post this after seeing your Avatar..That is appauling if that dog is pumped up on steroids. Obviously it is something as I have never seen a dog look like that

[Observer]

I'm confused. Maybe a Monkey friend can help me here. IIRC, the reports stated a "pair" of sneakers/tennis shoes were found. Why are we only seeing pictures of one sneaker, the left one. Where's the other one. or am I missing something.

Your correct,reports said a pair but only a left was shown in the pictures. They even moved things around for that second picture. There is no way in hell those shoes have been there 3 years. Not only did searchers do a grid search there in June 2005 but it is also one of the biggest tourist spots on the island. Here is another view of the lighthouse and those rocks.

[Tamikosmom]

Where is the statement Joran gave to VanderStraaten and Jacobs?  In the book, he makes no mention of Kelly.  Does Kelly sign all of VanderStraaten's statements?

Paulus does say in his statement that Kelly and Jacobs were present when Joran gave his May 31, 2005 witness statement.  However ... Dave Holloway claims that Soemers was not present when Jacobs interrogated him but ... Soemers signed off the statement as a witness.

Janet

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Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours.  Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.

Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's.


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

[Lala'sMom]

Big Nut House

San!  I love it! 

when and what stations are going to show "gielen's garbage" fantasymentory?
dennisintn

You know darn well this will be all over Amigoe and Bon Dia and covered in every Dutch newspaper,as well as the Aruban television stations like ATV and Tele-Aruba. It will be put in the Aruban Police site where they can put it with all the other lies from her. Her last Documentary was covered by a Dutch station,I forget which one at the moment.

Not only is Renee Gielen one evil sick person but I am starting to think she is retarted as she is saying nothing new and everyone knows they are obvious lies. I guess it doesnt matter because people like her and the psychics can be paid to lie by the Aruban Govt and never have to show proof of anything or answer any questions. They just throw this shit out there and never have to answer anything. I hope on June 2nd this all backfires because it is only making people angrier and angrier and the Aruban people know it.

Hmmmm.  An apt description of some posters we have had in here before.

[Buckeye]

Where is the statement Joran gave to VanderStraaten and Jacobs?  In the book, he makes no mention of Kelly.  Does Kelly sign all of VanderStraaten's statements?

Paulus does say in his statement that Kelly and Jacobs were present when Joran gave his May 31, 2005 witness statement.  However ... Dave Holloway claims that Soemers was not present when Jacobs interrogated him but ... Soemers signed off the statement as a witness.

Janet

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Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours.  Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.

Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's.


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

True...however, Paulus doesn't mention Van der Straaten being there.  You would think that one would remember everyone in a room when giving such a statement. 

[Lala'sMom]

Do we have a picture of Eric Soemers?  Is it in the who's who section? TIA