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« Reply #400 on: June 03, 2008, 12:48:19 AM »

last week i read De Telegraaf was going to publish an article about the case?
this information came from RU.

nothing in that paper yet...

the appearance of Patrick van der Eem on Goedemorgen Nederland is not available online yet.

it should be here:
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=7132158

or else here:
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=7132159

doesn't work for me, maybe it is my laptop having errors.
it was the last Goedemorgen Nederland of the tv-season.
maybe they all went on vacation and forgot to put it online... 

another article in Amigoe:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42906.php
it goes very detailed into the changes announced in the justice system / kingdom affairs.
Mike Eman and Mito Croes (both AVP) went to The Hague and spoke with PM Balkenende.

tomorrow it will be online in english i think, but it is quite tough to read. 

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« Reply #401 on: June 03, 2008, 12:49:28 AM »

Has anyone figured out why CAPS was looking for Gay Royal from Kentucky?   
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« Reply #402 on: June 03, 2008, 12:57:20 AM »

Interesting reading from a Dutch Blog from 2005..
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The Surinamese brothers in custody are Satish Kalpoe, born July 30, 1986, and Deepak Kalpoe, born Oct. 6, 1983.

Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen (search) said the three were arrested at 6 am
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APS: RIJKSMINISTERRAAD: Appointments Common Court of ......

20.12.2002 / 17:09 / Heading: Inland / Organisation: Rvd / dg

Original press release.


Ministry of Interior Affairs and Kingdom Relations

Press Release Rijksministerraad

20 december 2002



APPOINTMENTS COMMON COURT OF THE DUTCH ANTILLES AND ARUBA


The Rijksministerraad has on a proposal by Minister Remkes of the Interior and Kingdom agreed to a two appointments.


Mr. mr G.E.M. Polkamp (52) is nominated for appointment as a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. Currently, Mr Polkamp alternate member of the Court. The appointment is effective from January 1, 2003.


Mr. mr P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) is nominated for appointment as alternate member of the Common Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. Mr. van der Sloot now works as Private Secretary to the Attorney-General of Aruba. The appointment is effective from January 1, 2003 for a period of three years.



RVD, 20.12.2002

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« Reply #403 on: June 03, 2008, 12:57:25 AM »

Has anyone figured out why CAPS was looking for Gay Royal from Kentucky?   

Not sure but I think we found the info he was looking for.

I do know that when you type in "gay royal" in a google search you come up with some interresting hits, lol 
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« Reply #404 on: June 03, 2008, 01:01:11 AM »

Arrestant Aruba admits murder of girl
Source: website De Telegraaf, June 11, 2005
URL: www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/21684671/Arrestant_Aruba_bekent_moord_op_meisje.html

ORANJESTAD - One of the suspects who was detained in Aruba in the case of a missing 18-year old American, has announced that it has brought to life. That U.S. media reported Saturday. A police officer said the suspect has promised the police to the spot where the pupils to bring Natalee Holloway was killed.

One of the three arrested suspects was a Dutch citizen, the son of a judge who has for years been in Aruba. The police would not say which suspect has made a confession.

Holloway disappeared almost two weeks ago at the end of a trip by over 120 schoolmates. Those arrested earlier told her to her hotel to have, after a night steps. A day later, the students do not show up at the airport for her flight home. "

(Meanwhile, this news just post on the American news channel fox-again contradicted. So wait and see but again, but presumably the investigators are on the right track.)

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ORANJESTAD (ANP) 13-06-05 - Two Dutch experts arrived Sunday to Aruba to the local investigation team to assist in the case surrounding the Natalee Holloway disappeared. That said the study of the police, Jan van der Straten.


Van der Straten did not want to say what the experts. He just wanted to say that they do not tracker dogs with them at all times and that it was very detailed work. ,, More I can not say otherwise immediately clear in what direction the investigation goes, "says the Police Commissioner.

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« Reply #405 on: June 03, 2008, 01:12:57 AM »

9 Jun, 2005, 16:03 (GMT -04:00)

Joran van der Sloot (17) - son of Judge Paul van der Sloot - was arrested in his home in Montana, and the two brothers Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe (18 and 21 years) in their home in Hooiberg. Their full names are by now all major U.S. television networks and websites. Van der Sloot, who at the International School has been, is Euro-Dutch origin but lived most of his life already in Aruba. This applies also for the Kalpoe brothers, those of Surinamese origin. They will have two days to be brought before the court commissioner.

The car which the boys have transported Holloway that night, this morning seized. Although the vehicle was searched last week, but the public prosecutor wants the car again to a research subjects.

During the press conference at noon was announced that Van der Sloot the American girl a day earlier had met in a casino. The three boys were Holloway that night around half past one entertainment from Carlos' n Charlie's in Oranjestad to a beach to have taken her half an hour later at the Holiday Inn Hotel off. According to CNN.com, in a written record of that one of the three boys stated that they stumble from the moving car. While strompelend went to the hotel would be a "dark colored man in a black shirt with a radio her a helping hand. But video tapes of Holiday Inn would not confirm this story, anyway it is unrelated to Holloway.

Yesterday said the spokesman of the PPS, Vivian van der Biezen, yet emphatically that the three boys were seen as witnesses, and no more than that. This afternoon Chief Prosecutor Karin Jansen said that they already were suspicious. " What are the reasons for the trio to hold still now, has not been announced.

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« Reply #406 on: June 03, 2008, 01:14:56 AM »

Has anyone figured out why CAPS was looking for Gay Royal from Kentucky?   

Not sure but I think we found the info he was looking for.

I do know that when you type in "gay royal" in a google search you come up with some interresting hits, lol 



I know and I'm still blushing.   
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« Reply #407 on: June 03, 2008, 01:17:01 AM »

the three boys stated that they stumble from the moving car


She was trying to get away, & it did not happen at the Holiday Inn.
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« Reply #408 on: June 03, 2008, 01:17:34 AM »

about the pond search -- If you're talking about the one in '05, that's one of the things Aruba was so upset with Nancy Grace for.  She asked if they were pumping it out with a bicycle pump or something and Arlene started foaming at the mouth, I think.  This was before Dr. Phil when she went completely over the edge and later, while heavily sedated, announced that Natalee just sort of vanished. 

That's all I have to add...........going back to my tree nest.   
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« Reply #409 on: June 03, 2008, 01:19:48 AM »

the three boys stated that they stumble from the moving car


She was trying to get away, & it did not happen at the Holiday Inn.

Yeppers.   
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« Reply #410 on: June 03, 2008, 01:21:12 AM »

about the pond search -- If you're talking about the one in '05, that's one of the things Aruba was so upset with Nancy Grace for.  She asked if they were pumping it out with a bicycle pump or something and Arlene started foaming at the mouth, I think.  This was before Dr. Phil when she went completely over the edge and later, while heavily sedated, announced that Natalee just sort of vanished. 

That's all I have to add...........going back to my tree nest.   

Hi LilPuma - we are talking about a pond search, actually a couple of them that happened recently.
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« Reply #411 on: June 03, 2008, 01:21:26 AM »

about the pond search -- If you're talking about the one in '05, that's one of the things Aruba was so upset with Nancy Grace for.  She asked if they were pumping it out with a bicycle pump or something and Arlene started foaming at the mouth, I think.  This was before Dr. Phil when she went completely over the edge and later, while heavily sedated, announced that Natalee just sort of vanished. 

That's all I have to add...........going back to my tree nest.   



I think that they used the same bicycle pump for the pond at Monserat.   
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« Reply #412 on: June 03, 2008, 01:29:14 AM »

CAPS told us that only 10 people showed up to search for Jose.  Has there been any further news about TES and the search?  I wonder if they are still looking for the young man.  I feel like we are in the black hole of current news from Aruba.  We haven't even had a response to Destiny's article.  It's way too quiet.
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« Reply #413 on: June 03, 2008, 01:36:07 AM »

about PvdS:

there is a site that checks al Dutchies who work for the justice department or OM.
they follow what kind of other jobs they have. and note all controversies. or miscarriages of justice and censorship.
pretty interesting site. i checked many more names of publice prosecutors, procureurs generals and other and i found often interesting, but not directly suspicious connections.

found here under S:

SLOOT
P.A.P.J.
Den Bosch rechterplaatsvervanger (replacement judge - when there is no judge available)
C100506 Hop bijbanenregister Den Bosch (also called 's-Hertogenbosch, a provincial capital not far from Arnhem)

http://www.burojeugdzorg.nl/39.htm

it links to an article about corruption in child/youth care (children/youth with problems - abuse/violence/mental problems)
http://www.burojeugdzorg.nl/bjz17151696.htm
not sure what the actual connection with PvdS is here.
but the link is very up-to-date.
or was PvdS before he went to Aruba replacement judge there??
he didn't even pass his judge exam on Aruba? but on Aruba he was sometimes replacement judge if i remember correctly.

the main site is mainly about corruption in children/youth care and ruling by judges to put youth in such care.
http://www.burojeugdzorg.nl/

and part of the site researches connections between those judges and what kind of side-jobs they have.
(conflicts of interest possible)

maybe interesting to run other dutch/aruba judges, public prosecutors through that site, to see what comes up.
this is names starting with S http://www.burojeugdzorg.nl/39.htm
on top of the pages you can click on other letters.

here i read PvdS wrote an article in 2000 in a Aruban justice paper about "Protection against the government - state orders through administrative law, a further look"

http://catalogue.ppl.nl/DB=1/SET=4/TTL=21/SHW?FRST=23

this was in 2000. so i guess he was not in Den Bosch then.
and Joran spend most of his life on Aruba, didn't he.

all this together, might it be possible that PvdS is right now replacement judge in Den Bosch??
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« Reply #414 on: June 03, 2008, 01:36:20 AM »

about the pond search -- If you're talking about the one in '05, that's one of the things Aruba was so upset with Nancy Grace for.  She asked if they were pumping it out with a bicycle pump or something and Arlene started foaming at the mouth, I think.  This was before Dr. Phil when she went completely over the edge and later, while heavily sedated, announced that Natalee just sort of vanished. 

That's all I have to add...........going back to my tree nest.   

Hi LilPuma - we are talking about a pond search, actually a couple of them that happened recently.

Oh.  Guess I have to back up a few more pages. 
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« Reply #415 on: June 03, 2008, 01:36:39 AM »

ARUBA THE FIRST INDEPENDENT STATE UNDER MAFIA CONTROL

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http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

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« Reply #416 on: June 03, 2008, 01:42:33 AM »

Hi Monkeys, it's me….the silent one. I am here every single day, I just don't post often. I have written another poem for Beth and Dave, Matt and their families as the third year of Natalee missing comes to a close, and wanted to share it.


In His Time

Even while I grieve, I know You are in charge...
I know You're the Boss of this Show.
I know we are taught that we must wait on You
But have I the strength? I don't know...

I have tried to be patient, though waiting is hard...
I've tried to just leave it to You.
But the way things have gone just doesn't look good...
And I worry about evil anew.

But again I will do what I know You have asked...
And trust in Your power and Your love.
I will fall to my knees to join others in prayer
And pray for strength from above.

But wait! What was that? What do I hear?
Beautiful voices, whispers, and then...
A soft sweet voice clearly says "In His Time"
Like a promise to me, Heaven sent.

Then a glimpse of her face and her smile I see.
She reminds me of all we are taught.
That we must have faith, believe, and hold true…
Believing is never for naught.

Justice is His, and the righteous will win!
This is promised to those who believe...
So although I am tired, weary and worn
I will wait on You Lord, though I grieve.

I will pray in faith for Justice to come...
To be served rightly so, in Your time.
I will pray for patience as I try to hold on,
My prayer will be… "in Your time, not mine".

by GabbyG


It's been three long years, now beginning four. Who would have thought, huh? Well, count me in for the duration. Because I believe that Justice IS coming, Evil will not win over Good, and I want to be around to watch the bad guys go down!

He has promised that He will deliver Justice for those who believe, and Beth and Dave and their families DO believe. And we know that Natalee believed in Him too. He won't let them down, He will reward them for their faithfulness through this terrible time. He is wiser then we are, and I am sure He has a plan that we can't possibly see. Perhaps a plan that will bring Justice down on ALL who deserve it, not just a few. 

There ARE still good people in this world, people who do care, and who want to see Justice done. So let's just join hands and as ONE build our strength and determination to hang on until Justice DOES come...and it will. In my heart I believe this.

God Bless all you wonderful Monkeys and all your good works!
As one we Stand With The Girl


That's so beautiful.
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« Reply #417 on: June 03, 2008, 01:50:38 AM »

I peeked in earlier and saw the pics of the pipes.  Didn't read much and thought this was part of Klaas's HGTV Design Star project.     Back to reading.............
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« Reply #418 on: June 03, 2008, 01:51:59 AM »

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, disappeared on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 in Oranjestad, Aruba and has not been seen or heard from since. Jose was last seen wearing dark blue tennis shorts, a gray t-shirt and black slippers.

5/8/2008 - TES and Jose’s parents are working with law enforcement to make the arrangements to travel to Aruba to search for Jose.

5/18/2008 – Tim Miller and members arrive in Aruba to meet with law enforcement, attend a press conference, and develop a plan for searching. A message to Tim Miller from your team members at home: “We are so proud of you and your continued commitment. You display a constant dedication to the families of missing loved ones no matter what nationality they are or where they live. As you stated before you left, Jose’s family loves him just as much as Natalee’s family loves her and as much as any other family loves and misses their lost loved ones. God Bless You for following your heart and coming to the aid of another family no matter what the circumstances are. Be safe in your efforts and come home safely and soon.”

5/25/2008 - After a week long search with the help of Jose’s family and local Arubans, unfortunately Tim Miller and TES members return with no answers as to the whereabouts of Jose. We are grateful to have received the warmth from locals to assist a family in need.
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« Reply #419 on: June 03, 2008, 01:54:20 AM »

Janssen, who has been tightlipped during the investigation, said she had decided to speak out because "there has been so much misinformation in the American press."
"I'm the lead prosecutor and I want to show that we are not a bunch of cowboys here," she said.

Janssen declined to be more specific about what she believed had been reported inaccurately.
Paul van der Sloot, an island judicial official, was arrested June 23 but released a few days later when a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him.
Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that "without a body there is no case."
"He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared," Janssen told the AP.
Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities' investigation by asking one of his son's friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.
But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050630/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen_21;_ylt=AiCWBpJ8qObB7zGD42OW9yHa_JYv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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