Natalee Case Discussion #755 5/31 - 6/5/08

[dennisintn]

Caesu..Anything interesting in this post? TIA

http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=38975

it alleges that the son of a high justice official (PvdS) is about to be blamed for the disappearance.

then an article about drugs trade from columbia via curaçao.

and an article about a simular affair like the IRT-affair but then on a smaller scale.

> but it doesn't connect anything with eachother.


and here it only says that bigger forces might be playing a role.
drugstrade Colombia,Venzuela to the Corpus Christi Houston - Texas.

and that PvdS isn't very pro-USA (doesn't help fighting the drugs trade).

so the USA wants PvdS removed (by blaming the missing Natalee on Joran).

http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=37548&whichpage=5

that theory is kind of new to me (the USA wanting PvdS removed).
but they don't back it up.

paulus' position was as private secretary/office manager to the om.  plus his sometimes judge substitute.  what influence could he have had that bothered the u.s.a.?  that just sounds like an excuse for jvds being arrested, and of course totally innocent and just a hostage for the feds.
dennisintn

[dennisintn]

Caesu..Anything interesting in this post? TIA

http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=38975

it alleges that the son of a high justice official (PvdS) is about to be blamed for the disappearance.

then an article about drugs trade from columbia via curaçao.

and an article about a simular affair like the IRT-affair but then on a smaller scale.

> but it doesn't connect anything with eachother.


and here it only says that bigger forces might be playing a role.
drugstrade Colombia,Venzuela to the Corpus Christi Houston - Texas.

and that PvdS isn't very pro-USA (doesn't help fighting the drugs trade).

so the USA wants PvdS removed (by blaming the missing Natalee on Joran).

http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=37548&whichpage=5

that theory is kind of new to me (the USA wanting PvdS removed).
but they don't back it up.

that theory sounds like something gielen would dream up, or totally embrace when she heard it.  maybe this dumbass idea is where the "close to the white house" interference came from.
dennisintn

[dennisintn]

Wy was Joran sleeping at school so often and not at home ?

The test he aced was "Which mattress in school is the firmest?"

roflmao, oh yes, and since his real exams weren't until the next week, according to the school bulletin, wouldn't even have to cheat on this exam.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Klaas, Red, someone,

Clean up in aisle one "aruba police."

Calling our Klaas, Calling our Klaas!!!

Fixed (deleted it), late but fixed 

[Bearlyhere]

Three Arubans to remain in custody
Conflicting reports over confession in teen's disappearance
Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 8:17 PM EDT (0017 GMT)

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- A judge ruled Saturday to keep in custody three youths arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, a government official said.

The decision allows police and prosecutors eight days to continue their investigation into 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance, the official said.

The judge was flown in from the neighboring island of Curacao, a step not considered unusual in high-profile cases, said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. He explained that government officials want to ensure everything is done properly. 

Defense attorneys have come to the defense of the young men, saying they have maintained their innocence.

"My client keeps on saying he is not guilty," said attorney David Kock, who represents 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. He added that as far as he knew, none of the three have admitted guilt.

Kock said, "There's a girl missing, so everybody assumes that a crime has been committed."

Antonio Carlo represents Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge. Carlo said the teen "has admitted to no crime whatsoever. My client has maintained that he is innocent."

Asked how Van Der Sloot was faring, Carlo said, "He is a 17-year-old boy. His detention is, of course, having an effect on him emotionally, but he is holding strong."

He said Van Der Sloot had been in contact with his mother and was assisting in the investigation. Both attorneys refused to comment on details of the investigation.

Van der Sloot, Kalpoe and Kalpoe's 21-year-old brother Depak were the last to be seen with Holloway. They were spotted leaving the popular Carlos'N Charlie's nightclub in the early hours of May 30.

A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.

Prosecutors refused to confirm or deny reports of a confession.

Law enforcement sources close to the investigation said there has not been a confession, but that cracks are appearing in the three suspects' stories.

Spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezen said only that the investigation was at a "very crucial" point.

Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said no one had informed him of a confession, but noted that type of information is not something he would learn of during this stage of investigation.

He said early Saturday that there was no search for a body or remains.

"Investigators will continue early in the morning doing their job," Oduber said.

Late Friday, a senior police official told CNN that one of the three youths police took into custody Thursday had confessed to killing Holloway.

The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with more than 100 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating high school graduation.

Casino meeting
Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

Later that night, Holloway went to Carlos'N Charlie's with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

Police said the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot told authorities they then went with Holloway to a beach before taking her back to her hotel at about 2 a.m.

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse on the northwestern tip of the island, which is about 19 miles long and 6 miles wide.

According to police statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol, and that a "dark-colored" man in a black T-shirt with a radio helped her.

Two arrests
That testimony led to Sunday's arrest of Abraham Jones, 28, and Mickey John, 30, two security guards at a hotel near where Holloway was staying.

But a Holiday Inn employee who has reviewed surveillance tapes from that morning said the tapes do not show any sign of Holloway. Authorities had no explanation and were looking at whether the five men have any connections to each other.

The guards' attorneys maintain the two are innocent.

None of the five men has been formally charged.

As part of the Netherlands Kingdom, Aruba follows the Dutch judicial system, under which suspects are arrested on suspicion of a crime and not charged until later.

Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Government officials have said solving Holloway's disappearance is a national priority on the small Caribbean island where tourism is a top industry.

A massive search operation has involved authorities, family, friends and volunteers.

CNN's Karl Penhaul and Rick Sanchez contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas, Red, someone,

Clean up in aisle one "aruba police."

Calling our Klaas, Calling our Klaas!!!

Fixed (deleted it), late but fixed 

Klaas is here, all is right with the world.

 

Thanks, Klaas!

[klaasend]

This interresting post from BNH was just sent to me via email.  FINALLY, something I agree with Charlierat about! 

[caesu]

Opposition pleased with new structure judiciary

AVP-leader Eman in conversation with Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende; political advisor of AVP, Mito Croes was also present then in June of 2007.

ORANJESTAD – Opposition party AVP is pleased that the judiciary stays within the kingdom’s ordainment, says party-leader Mike Eman as a result of the news that it is almost certain that an agreement is reached about one organization for the judiciary within the Kingdom.  Eman calls this ‘particularly important for safeguarding the independency of the administration of justice in Aruba’.

“We were very concerned about the fact that the government of Aruba was constantly sabotaging a decision to come to an independent joint Court, referring to the unsolved discussion about the monies of Plant NV, and also about the ideas of Justice-minister Rudy Croes to have an own court of justice for Aruba”, said Eman, who says that he cannot understand that the Oduber-government connects such fundamental matters like administration of justice to a discussion on the sales proceeds of a hotel.   

AVP had already argued for a lasting imbedding of the administration of justice, the Public Prosecutor (OM), the Advisory Council, the General Audit Office, and the Central Bank in kingdom relations.  “The impartiality, independency, and professionalism of these institutions must also be safeguarded.  We have chosen to stay within the Kingdom and so guarantee the realization of the fundamental human rights and freedoms.  With that he refers to matters like legal security and good quality government.

COOPERATION

AVP is in favour of laying down the cooperation of institutions like the OM, Advisory Council, General Audit Office, and the Central Bank in a Statutory Law.

As controller of the executive branch and advisory body of the executive branch and the legislative power, the Advisory Council, General Audit Office, and the Central Bank must deliver an important contribution to guarantee the quality and integrity of the government.  In order to do this, the guaranteeing of the independency and objectivity is crucial.  We are therefore in favour of creating a formal personnel cooperation relation to increase the independency, the professionalism, and the authority of these institutions in Aruba.  “The same form of formal cooperation is also necessary between the Central Bank of Aruba and the Bank of the Netherlands.”

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

[dennisintn]

This interresting post from BNH was just sent to me via email.  FINALLY, something I agree with Charlierat about! 

old sandra sounds like she fits in real well at ru.  whatever lie fits your need or desire at the moment is fine and dandy.
dennisintn

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas

When one of your 6 arms isn't busy, LaDawn Garland was found alive.

Thanks.

[Magnolia]

This interresting post from BNH was just sent to me via email.  FINALLY, something I agree with Charlierat about! 

Never thought that SandraK was actually on Aruba.  But I find it interesting
that Glenda will always act like she is SandraK's best friend.
I think SandraK's connection to Key West is only imaginary also.

[Tamikosmom]

Three Arubans to remain in custody
Conflicting reports over confession in teen's disappearance
Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 8:17 PM EDT (0017 GMT)

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- A judge ruled Saturday to keep in custody three youths arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, a government official said.

The decision allows police and prosecutors eight days to continue their investigation into 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance, the official said.

The judge was flown in from the neighboring island of Curacao, a step not considered unusual in high-profile cases, said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. He explained that government officials want to ensure everything is done properly. 

Defense attorneys have come to the defense of the young men, saying they have maintained their innocence.

"My client keeps on saying he is not guilty," said attorney David Kock, who represents 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. He added that as far as he knew, none of the three have admitted guilt.

Kock said, "There's a girl missing, so everybody assumes that a crime has been committed."

Antonio Carlo represents Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge. Carlo said the teen "has admitted to no crime whatsoever. My client has maintained that he is innocent."

Asked how Van Der Sloot was faring, Carlo said, "He is a 17-year-old boy. His detention is, of course, having an effect on him emotionally, but he is holding strong."

He said Van Der Sloot had been in contact with his mother and was assisting in the investigation. Both attorneys refused to comment on details of the investigation.

Van der Sloot, Kalpoe and Kalpoe's 21-year-old brother Depak were the last to be seen with Holloway. They were spotted leaving the popular Carlos'N Charlie's nightclub in the early hours of May 30.

A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.

Prosecutors refused to confirm or deny reports of a confession.

Law enforcement sources close to the investigation said there has not been a confession, but that cracks are appearing in the three suspects' stories.

Spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezen said only that the investigation was at a "very crucial" point.

Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said no one had informed him of a confession, but noted that type of information is not something he would learn of during this stage of investigation.

He said early Saturday that there was no search for a body or remains.

"Investigators will continue early in the morning doing their job," Oduber said.

Late Friday, a senior police official told CNN that one of the three youths police took into custody Thursday had confessed to killing Holloway.

The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with more than 100 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating high school graduation.

Casino meeting
Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

Later that night, Holloway went to Carlos'N Charlie's with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

Police said the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot told authorities they then went with Holloway to a beach before taking her back to her hotel at about 2 a.m.

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse on the northwestern tip of the island, which is about 19 miles long and 6 miles wide.

According to police statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol, and that a "dark-colored" man in a black T-shirt with a radio helped her.

Two arrests
That testimony led to Sunday's arrest of Abraham Jones, 28, and Mickey John, 30, two security guards at a hotel near where Holloway was staying.

But a Holiday Inn employee who has reviewed surveillance tapes from that morning said the tapes do not show any sign of Holloway. Authorities had no explanation and were looking at whether the five men have any connections to each other.

The guards' attorneys maintain the two are innocent.

None of the five men has been formally charged.

As part of the Netherlands Kingdom, Aruba follows the Dutch judicial system, under which suspects are arrested on suspicion of a crime and not charged until later.

Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Government officials have said solving Holloway's disappearance is a national priority on the small Caribbean island where tourism is a top industry.

A massive search operation has involved authorities, family, friends and volunteers.

CNN's Karl Penhaul and Rick Sanchez contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html

Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: ... I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

++++++++

Bearlyhere ... thank you so much.

I appreciate reading the transcripts from early on.  I do believe that the "powers that be" in Aruba are attempting to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close by appeasing the family by ... only implicating Joran in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The hope is that three years later ... early articles, transcripts, and videos that also implicate Deepak, Satish, Joran, Paulus and the sons of the elite have become a faded memory.   The hope is that the suspicions which warranted the detention of nine suspects and ... the rearrest/ the re-rearrests ... will become a faded memory.

Aruba underestimates a mother's love and determination.  Beth Holloway has pledge to be a power to be reckoned with for the next forty years if the truth encompassing all aspects of her daughter's disappearance is not forthcoming first.

Aruba underestimates the commitment and resolve of us Monkeys which demands ... JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

Janet

[bleachedblack]

I never really followed the SandraK connection(?) , but now I am glad to know why my radar brushed passed her. She is one sick cookie and I don't understand what
reason any board, even visitaruba, could possibly have for keeping around a known and exposed liar. Get rid of her! Cripes what a loser.........

[klaasend]

I never really followed the SandraK connection(?) , but now I am glad to know why my radar brushed passed her. She is one sick cookie and I don't understand what
reason any board, even visitaruba, could possibly have for keeping around a known and exposed liar. Get rid of her! Cripes what a loser.........

As long as there are message boards and forums there will always be people that claim to be something they are not.  For whatever reason they need the attention.  IMO, SandraK is one of those people.

[Destiny]

Today's Diario...is this a suspicious hit and run?

ORANJESTAD(AAN)—Poco despues di mey anochi awe madruga, na altura di Rooi Barcadera un auto A 35752 a dal un motocicleta lagando e manehador gravemente herida.

 

El a lastra e motocicleta un distancia basta leu mirando e marcanan di brakes cu tabata basta largo. Tabata algun cien meter mas leu cu a haya tambe partinan di motocicleta.

E number di auto ta paga te cu april riba nomber di un persona di faam T. di Bernhardstraat, un Ford Focus. Indicacion ta cu aki lo ta trata di un caso di hit and run, cual ta wordo investiga actualmente.

Na hospital docternan tabata hopi ocupa tambe cu un caso di hincamento di un menor di edad na San Nicolas. E lo a trata di interveni den un problema entre un dama y un tal F. F lo a saca arma y hinke gravemente.Den otro caso na San Nicolas, polis tambe a dispara riba un sospechoso cu nan tabata busca ayera anochi ayera anochi.

[Destiny]

Posted by Janet:  TY Girl...my comment below...


Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Interesting....have we really heard much from Anita, since Joran confessed to killing Natalee on world-wide TV?...or, has she just decided to move on to her *next* delicious sporter...Val...and move on with her new art career...

Destiny...wondering what Anita thinks of Joran now...

[Bearlyhere]

Posted by Janet:  TY Girl...my comment below...


Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Interesting....have we really heard much from Anita, since Joran confessed to killing Natalee on world-wide TV?...or, has she just decided to move on to her *next* delicious sporter...Val...and move on with her new art career...

Destiny...wondering what Anita thinks of Joran now...

Janet  You're welcome!  It helps me focus when things start to get blurry.

Destiny  I wondered the same thing.  Do you give phone hex?

         

[Lala'sMom]

Hi Monkeys...been busy today going hmmmmmmm again. LOL

I need someone to clarify a few things I think I know the answers to, but need someone to agree.  I know they make no sense, but they are a jumble of thoughts and questions all rolled into one. Thanks!

1. Freddy was from Venezuela?
2. Freddy is Ernesto's younger brother?
3. Ernesto speaks Papiamento? ( I really want to know this one)
4.Ernesto is gay...bi...or whatever it's called?
5. Freddy has a business that involves video equipment?
6. Jossy's relatives are Luis, Eric (which was/is in KIA and was the person that Deepak was in the cell with) and a Jossy has a daughter named Damilice?
7. Jossy's son or nephew or a relative attended the same school as someone in Jug Twitty's family?
8. Freddy was working at Champions June 2005?
9. Champions is at the Marrriott and within in walking distance of the HI?
10. Kalpoe's were friends of Freddy for some time?

[klaasend]

Hi Monkeys...been busy today going hmmmmmmm again. LOL

I need someone to clarify a few things I think I know the answers to, but need someone to agree.  I know they make no sense, but they are a jumble of thoughts and questions all rolled into one. Thanks!

1. Freddy was from Venezuela?  YES
2. Freddy is Ernesto's younger brother? YES
3. Ernesto speaks Papiamento? ( I really want to know this one) DON'T KNOW BUT PROBABLY
4.Ernesto is gay...bi...or whatever it's called? ACCORDING TO HIS MYSPACE - YES
5. Freddy has a business that involves video equipment?  REPORTED TO VIDEO SEX WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS
6. Jossy's relatives are Luis, Eric (which was/is in KIA and was the person that Deepak was in the cell with) and a Jossy has a daughter named Damilice? DON'T KNOW
7. Jossy's son or nephew or a relative attended the same school as someone in Jug Twitty's family? YES
8. Freddy was working at Champions June 2005?  DON'T KNOW - WAS WORKING THERE NOVEMBER 2005 FOR SURE
9. Champions is at the Marrriott and within in walking distance of the HI? YES
10. Kalpoe's were friends of Freddy for some time?  YES

My answers above in red

[Rob]

Hi Monkeys...been busy today going hmmmmmmm again. LOL

I need someone to clarify a few things I think I know the answers to, but need someone to agree.  I know they make no sense, but they are a jumble of thoughts and questions all rolled into one. Thanks!

1. Freddy was from Venezuela? That's what we heard
2. Freddy is Ernesto's younger brother? yes, but maybe not a full brother but maybe half (I don't think step brother - not sure
3. Ernesto speaks Papiamento? ( I really want to know this one) I would imagine so
4.Ernesto is gay...bi...or whatever it's called? no way to reallt know
5. Freddy has a business that involves video equipment?seems to be so
6. Jossy's relatives are Luis, Eric (which was/is in KIA and was the person that Deepak was in the cell with) and a Jossy has a daughter named Damilice? intellius lists her as a relative - not sure what her realantionship is, but he has two homes in Doral about a 1/2 of mile from each other
7. Jossy's son or nephew or a relative attended the same school as someone in Jug Twitty's family? Jossy attented the same school as Jug did years later
8. Freddy was working at Champions June 2005? yes
9. Champions is at the Marrriott and within in walking distance of the HI? yes
10. Kalpoe's were friends of Freddy for some time?no idea if they knew Joran before Freddy or vice versa - I know Koen introduced Satish and Joran

my answers in red