Natalee Case Discussion #755 5/31 - 6/5/08

[Rob]

  Klaas

[klaasend]

Klaas

Too funny 

[Bearlyhere]

I didn't know Joran's statement has been missing for that long.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159051,00.html

Aruba Framing?
Commentary by Rick Leventhal for FOX Fan Central

June 9, 2005

On a story like the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, rumors are bound to fly. Authorities aren’t holding many press conferences, and when they do, they don’t say much. This is a relatively small island, and people talk. What they say isn’t often true, or it might be a variation of the truth. Kind of like the old-fashioned game of telephone, where one person tells another something very real, but after it gets told a few more times, the facts change.

We heard, but couldn’t confirm some stories about the three boys who told police they dropped Natalee off at her hotel the night she disappeared. They were the last ones to see her alive, and the first to be taken into custody by police. They were then released, and two security guards were arrested.

On Wednesday night, we got information on the boys from a very reliable source willing to be quoted. He’s Chris LeJuez, a local attorney representing one of the two security guards being held on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Natalee, even though there’s apparently no evidence linking these men to Natalee, and no physical evidence suggesting Natalee was killed.

LeJuez told us he reviewed the boys’ statements to police, except he says only two of were in the file released to attorneys. One of them was missing, and that missing statement is from the boy whose father is a judge on this island.

According to the attorney, the two other boys told authorities Natalee had been drinking heavily and was drunk when they left "Carlos ‘n Charlie’s" bar. They say they took her to the beach near the California Lighthouse, on the island’s remote north end, and they say the third boy, the Judge’s son, made out with Natalee on the sand.

Then, they claim, they drove her back to her hotel, the Holiday Inn. When they got there she stumbled out of the car and fell to the ground.

When one tried to help her up, she pushed him away and said, "I can stand on my own!"

They say she then headed towards the lobby, and a black man wearing black pants and a black T-shirt escorted her inside.

The tape from the Holiday Inn lobby surveillance camera was reportedly checked by police, but no images of Natalee were found. The attorney says the security guard on duty from midnight on told authorities he never saw Natalee enter the hotel that night.

The three boys are now back in police custody, arrested before dawn Thursday morning. Their homes are being searched for evidence. Natalee Holloway is still missing at this hour, and her family is still holding out hope she'll be found alive.

[MumInOhio]

Hi Monkeys...been busy today going hmmmmmmm again. LOL

I need someone to clarify a few things I think I know the answers to, but need someone to agree.  I know they make no sense, but they are a jumble of thoughts and questions all rolled into one. Thanks!

1. Freddy was from Venezuela?
2. Freddy is Ernesto's younger brother?
3. Ernesto speaks Papiamento? ( I really want to know this one)
4.Ernesto is gay...bi...or whatever it's called?
5. Freddy has a business that involves video equipment?
6. Jossy's relatives are Luis, Eric (which was/is in KIA and was the person that Deepak was in the cell with) and a Jossy has a daughter named Damilice?
7. Jossy's son or nephew or a relative attended the same school as someone in Jug Twitty's family?
8. Freddy was working at Champions June 2005?
9. Champions is at the Marrriott and within in walking distance of the HI?
10. Kalpoe's were friends of Freddy for some time?

Lala's...I can't find the link right now, but Ernesto went to school in Porlamar Venezuela...can you say Isla Margarita!!!...The link is in Shango 1 somewhere and I have been to the site and that is where he graduated from. And then I believe straight to Miami.

I don't think they speak Pap in Venezuela or Miami...but could be wrong!

[Rob]

[Rob]

I can't access the Doral Chamber of Commerce ... seem the site is all screwed up.. maybe someone else can try.

[Bearlyhere]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=76034452

Damilice Mansur

Miami Beach, Florida

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks guys...my hmmmmm meter has been going off all day....Rob can you tell me something....would those loctions fit with an area called North Bay Village?  I can't do google earth as well as you do...Just curious here...Would you check for me, please? 

Also, Rob, you say Freddy was working at Champions for sure June 2005? 

[Rob]

Thanks guys...my hmmmmm meter has been going off all day....Rob can you tell me something....would those loctions fit with an area called North Bay Village?  I can't do google earth as well as you do...Just curious here...Would you check for me, please? 

Also, Rob, you say Freddy was working at Champions for sure June 2005? 

sorry, not totally sure, but he says he didn't go out with Joran because he had to work the next day IIRC.

I have not heard of North Bay Village and I am using a friend's laptop, so I can't do a map right now. And I do not have screen capture software on this puter. I could install it, but it will be one more thing I'll have to uninstall when I give this back.

Those screen shots were from a few weeks ago.

[Bearlyhere]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=76034452

Damilice Mansur

Miami Beach, Florida

Birthplace:  Aruba

[klaasend]

Thanks guys...my hmmmmm meter has been going off all day....Rob can you tell me something....would those loctions fit with an area called North Bay Village?  I can't do google earth as well as you do...Just curious here...Would you check for me, please? 

Also, Rob, you say Freddy was working at Champions for sure June 2005? 

Need to leave for a while, will be back later.

Lala's - info on North Bay Village

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Bay_Village,_Florida

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks guys...my hmmmmm meter has been going off all day....Rob can you tell me something....would those loctions fit with an area called North Bay Village?  I can't do google earth as well as you do...Just curious here...Would you check for me, please? 

Also, Rob, you say Freddy was working at Champions for sure June 2005? 

sorry, not totally sure, but he says he didn't go out with Joran because he had to work the next day IIRC.

I have not heard of North Bay Village and I am using a friend's laptop, so I can't do a map right now. And I do not have screen capture software on this puter. I could install it, but it will be one more thing I'll have to uninstall when I give this back.

Those screen shots were from a few weeks ago.

You have to get off that lappy and get back to your old one. LOL  BTW I am becoming real familiar with North Bay Village. 

http://www.nbvillage.com/about.asp

[Maggie]

North Bay Village is on one of the islands in the middle of the bay, connected by the Kennedy causeway, about 71st street. zip code 33141. I think it is on Treasure Island. My daughter lived in Treasures on the Bay there while she was attending Med school at Miami. My son just flew down there this morning...any other questions I might be able to help with?

[Lala'sMom]

Mum reminded me of this:

Just in case you missed this posted by Hotping last week...

Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl
Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two
other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive,
North Bay Village Fl...


Just connecting some dots...

[Rob]

Thanks guys...my hmmmmm meter has been going off all day....Rob can you tell me something....would those loctions fit with an area called North Bay Village?  I can't do google earth as well as you do...Just curious here...Would you check for me, please? 

Also, Rob, you say Freddy was working at Champions for sure June 2005? 

sorry, not totally sure, but he says he didn't go out with Joran because he had to work the next day IIRC.

I have not heard of North Bay Village and I am using a friend's laptop, so I can't do a map right now. And I do not have screen capture software on this puter. I could install it, but it will be one more thing I'll have to uninstall when I give this back.

Those screen shots were from a few weeks ago.

You have to get off that lappy and get back to your old one. LOL  BTW I am becoming real familiar with North Bay Village. 

http://www.nbvillage.com/about.asp

Well, Gateways called to today and they have received my laptop.. so it should be fixed and back shortly and I'll make all the maps you need then.

what's up with NBV?

[MumInOhio]

Rob...There is a company called System One Technologies...Used to be Mansur Ind...I think....moved to Florida...I think it is Jossy's cousins. I have a ton of stuff on it, but as usual can't find anything in my computer. One head hauncho is originally from New York, but there was a lot of history with the 4 guys! Will see what I can find in the morning!

IIRC...it has something to do with one of the ones that was in trouble way back!!  Sorry!!! It has been a while since I went over all that!

[Lala'sMom]

North Bay Village is on one of the islands in the middle of the bay, connected by the Kennedy causeway, about 71st street. zip code 33141. I think it is on Treasure Island. My daughter lived in Treasures on the Bay there while she was attending Med school at Miami. My son just flew down there this morning...any other questions I might be able to help with?

Wow! Thanks...is this area considered part of Miami Beach? 

[Rob]

North Bay Village is on one of the islands in the middle of the bay, connected by the Kennedy causeway, about 71st street. zip code 33141. I think it is on Treasure Island. My daughter lived in Treasures on the Bay there while she was attending Med school at Miami. My son just flew down there this morning...any other questions I might be able to help with?

Tommy Pooch lives on an island like you are describing. He was the guy that was at the card table (supposedly) with Joran and the girls and someone (maybe even him) claimed that was him and not Paulus.

[dennisintn]

Posted by Janet:  TY Girl...my comment below...


Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Interesting....have we really heard much from Anita, since Joran confessed to killing Natalee on world-wide TV?...or, has she just decided to move on to her *next* delicious sporter...Val...and move on with her new art career...

Destiny...wondering what Anita thinks of Joran now...

if she's anywhere close to normal, the pit drops out of her stomach every time she thinks of him.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

North Bay Village is on one of the islands in the middle of the bay, connected by the Kennedy causeway, about 71st street. zip code 33141. I think it is on Treasure Island. My daughter lived in Treasures on the Bay there while she was attending Med school at Miami. My son just flew down there this morning...any other questions I might be able to help with?

Tommy Pooch lives on an island like you are describing. He was the guy that was at the card table (supposedly) with Joran and the girls and someone (maybe even him) claimed that was him and not Paulus.

Explain this further...pretty please.