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« Reply #940 on: June 05, 2008, 12:01:48 AM »

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Well that seals it for me...Deepak must be holding a handful of aces...somehing big...to be that confident...he's saying to everyone...that he's calling the shots...

Des, have you ever seen mixed martial arts or ultimate fighting?

if I ever get close enough to Dipshit himself, that's what well see.
 
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« Reply #941 on: June 05, 2008, 12:02:12 AM »

DP@K K@LP0 says it's over when I say it's over..... 
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Well that seals it for me...Deepak must be holding a handful of aces...somehing big...to be that confident...he's saying to everyone...that he's calling the shots...
I read it as just the opposite.... I think he saying "I'm not giving up -- despite the ruling." (False bravado)
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« Reply #942 on: June 05, 2008, 12:02:37 AM »

Did I hear Jossy correctly when he said that the pond search/drainage was done by a private company? The ALE or OM was not involved in any way?  I know I heard that.


Quote from: MumInOhio on May 16, 2008, 01:10:17 PM
OE...Thanks If the 40-52 Dutch Investigaters is just coincidental, do you know who has been/is searching the pond?  ALE? Thanks in Advance!


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Reply #144 on: May 16, 2008, 12:59:01 PM


I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
 
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.
 
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.
 
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.

- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.

- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.   

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.
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« Reply #943 on: June 05, 2008, 12:04:02 AM »

I personally think the initials carved into the sneaker look like "TV", but for those who might be inclined to say "JV".........

From the 6/17/05 statement of Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres :

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"My friends and acquaintances call me "Beto". I have known Joran since August 2004. Through the man named "Freddy Zedan" I met with Joran. One day I went to Joran's house with Freddy and since then we kept in contact. Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together. Joran's nickname is "Jojo", Freddy's nickname is "Fefi", Koen's nickname is "Cul" and Sander's nickname is "Nepi". The places we usually go out to are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. A place we regularly visit is "Carlos & Charlies".

Thanks for posting this....Jorans' nick JoJo...in Aruba the J is pronounced like a Y..YoYo...why oh why, is the name YoYo waving huge red flags at me....I read something recently and I can't place it...
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« Reply #944 on: June 05, 2008, 12:04:33 AM »


Well that seals it for me...Deepak must be holding a handful of aces...somehing big...to be that confident...he's saying to everyone...that he's calling the shots...

Hes a scrawny pawn who has no say in anything and a total coward..IMO..He will not get his 800 million,80 internet cafe's and movie deals or pass go..His time will come..
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« Reply #945 on: June 05, 2008, 12:05:19 AM »

I personally think the initials carved into the sneaker look like "TV", but for those who might be inclined to say "JV".........

From the 6/17/05 statement of Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres :

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"My friends and acquaintances call me "Beto". I have known Joran since August 2004. Through the man named "Freddy Zedan" I met with Joran. One day I went to Joran's house with Freddy and since then we kept in contact. Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together. Joran's nickname is "Jojo", Freddy's nickname is "Fefi", Koen's nickname is "Cul" and Sander's nickname is "Nepi". The places we usually go out to are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. A place we regularly visit is "Carlos & Charlies".

Thanks for posting this....Jorans' nick JoJo...in Aruba the J is pronounced like a Y..YoYo...why oh why, is the name YoYo waving huge red flags at me....I read something recently and I can't place it...

omg - he's yo yo muffintop.
 

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« Reply #946 on: June 05, 2008, 12:08:41 AM »

DP@K K@LP0 says it's over when I say it's over..... 
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Does this mean the case was thrown out today????? (looks like it!)

I think it means absolutely nothing. 
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« Reply #947 on: June 05, 2008, 12:12:30 AM »

I know what it looked like in January and I know what it looks like now...that pond sure drains well all by itself.  I think Jossy thought the pond draining was not about Natalee, but I know different...that is not true...at least I have no indication that the pond was even on the radar before the Persistence crew scanned it. 


I think it was Art who said the searching of that Pond has nothing to do with Natalee.



Art who?

I apologize ... I at daughter's home for a few days and kinda out of the loop.

Thank you.

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« Reply #948 on: June 05, 2008, 12:12:47 AM »

DP@K K@LP0 says it's over when I say it's over..... 
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Does this mean the case was thrown out today????? (looks like it!)

I think it means absolutely nothing. 
probably so! Wasn't  there a case decision due today, though?
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« Reply #949 on: June 05, 2008, 12:16:37 AM »

 

Was there a ruling in the Kalpoe/Phil McGraw lawsuit?

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« Reply #950 on: June 05, 2008, 12:17:26 AM »

Wreck - yes there was supposed to be another hearing today.  Let me see if there's any followup on the court website..
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« Reply #951 on: June 05, 2008, 12:19:22 AM »

I know what it looked like in January and I know what it looks like now...that pond sure drains well all by itself.  I think Jossy thought the pond draining was not about Natalee, but I know different...that is not true...at least I have no indication that the pond was even on the radar before the Persistence crew scanned it. 


I think it was Art who said the searching of that Pond has nothing to do with Natalee.



Art who?

I apologize ... I at daughter's home for a few days and kinda out of the loop.

Thank you.

Janet

Art Wood..We heard something similar from another source saying they were searching for Jose Tromp there and not Natalee. Don't believe a word of it..
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« Reply #952 on: June 05, 2008, 12:23:31 AM »

Did I hear Jossy correctly when he said that the pond search/drainage was done by a private company? The ALE or OM was not involved in any way?  I know I heard that.

I am confused just about one thing..Jossy said he didn't know anything about the search at Montserat Pond..We all saw the pictures..We all heard what OE and Caps said,,WTF? That Pond did not drain by itself and remove a top layer of soil 10-20 feet across in one section by itself. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool us any of the time. 

Don't flame me-I really do like Jossy BUT he bothered me tonight. He almost sounded like it is over and for us to go away. Nothing here.
1. Nothing bad about the family-only supportive.  BUT what about Renee G.? 
2. Pond , didn't know anything about it.  Police not involved.   WTF?
3. Shoe, he hasn't checked back with police on the shoe.  Doesn't know anything really about it.  WTF again.  IF this shoe is important why act like it doesn't really matter.

Maybe he has more important problems right now concerning his brother but this just did not sound like Jossy to me.

I agree. I got that impression...just go away...it's all over. 

Makes me wonder if the private company was working for the Vandersloots to get any evidence to destroy.  Hope I am wrong.
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A few months back, Jossy was ready spill the beans.  Right after he said that...all of a sudden...everything from him stopped, we heard nothing from him and he has not disclosed anything further since that time.  A rumor was that "advertising" money was pulled from him, or going to be pulled from him, if he didn't keep quiet.  Somehow, I just don't think that the answer to why he became so quiet (or at least not all of the answer).  As crooked as everything is on that island, could it be that Jossy's being pressured to keep quiet, in connection with his brother being in so much trouble; i.e., threats re a longer prison term?  Just asking.....

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« Reply #953 on: June 05, 2008, 12:25:32 AM »

In the Dr. Phil/Kalpoe case, this is what was supposed to take place today:

06/04/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Motion to Compel (2 motions);3) Case Management Conference)


I don't believe the Motion to Dismiss is the Kalpoes motion to dismiss the case, I believe it's the Dr. Phil people's motion to dismiss possibly Skeeter's estate?  Not sure. 

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05/23/2008 Stipulation (of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
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« Reply #954 on: June 05, 2008, 12:30:11 AM »

Yes of course Puzzler,he was about to name names and release info about Booshi Wever and other Ministers owning a brothel in Venezuela..He said he was angry about Joran being released and said he was going to tell a lot more n that was the first part of it. We never heard anything more except reading about his brother being nailed huge shortly after that.

There is no doubt in my mind Jossy knows a lot more then what he tells us. He knows all about the Sex parties and all about Paul Van Der Sloots connections. Since he owns so much of that island and has much of his Family there,at this point it may be best that this case goes away and the days of him speaking out truthfully in public are over.
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« Reply #955 on: June 05, 2008, 12:38:19 AM »

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« Reply #956 on: June 05, 2008, 12:40:18 AM »

I personally think the initials carved into the sneaker look like "TV", but for those who might be inclined to say "JV".........

From the 6/17/05 statement of Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres :

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"My friends and acquaintances call me "Beto". I have known Joran since August 2004. Through the man named "Freddy Zedan" I met with Joran. One day I went to Joran's house with Freddy and since then we kept in contact. Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together. Joran's nickname is "Jojo", Freddy's nickname is "Fefi", Koen's nickname is "Cul" and Sander's nickname is "Nepi". The places we usually go out to are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. A place we regularly visit is "Carlos & Charlies".

Thanks for posting this....Jorans' nick JoJo...in Aruba the J is pronounced like a Y..YoYo...why oh why, is the name YoYo waving huge red flags at me....I read something recently and I can't place it...

omg - he's yo yo muffintop.
 

j/k


actually, Rob... you may be very well right on point with that.
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« Reply #957 on: June 05, 2008, 12:45:30 AM »

Hi monkey luvs!! Just stickin my head in before I go to bed...This has probably been posted before now but I just saw it and wanted to let ya'll see this in case you hadn't already...

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Unsupervised young people
By Charles Ratcliff


 

June 04, 2008
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Obviously, the Natalee Holloway case was very tragic. But the letter specifically mentioned young people traveling out of the country. Do you not concede that young people without proper adult supervision also create a high-risk group for irresponsible behavior when they travel domestically? Every year, there are fatalities in Panama City Beach, Florida that involve unsupervised young people behaving irresponsibly.

I don't blame Natalee for whatever happened to her but I certainly don't blame the fact that she was overseas, either. Whatever happened to her could have happened anywhere, including her own home town.

Charles Ratcliff
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About: "I am a native born Aruban (of American parents) who has been living in Birmingham, Alabama since 1982. Obviously, the Natalee Holloway case has been very important to me on two fronts. I have followed its evolution since May 31, 2005."

Received June 02, 2008 - Published June 04, 2008



http://www.sitnews.us/0608Viewpoints/060408_charles_ratcliff.htm



The writer of this article does not get it!

It is not about the disappearance of an 18 year old "adult" who went missing under suspicious circumstances.  The writer is correct crime happen everywhere.  The ongoing interest is that a corrupt investigation has prevented justice from prevailing ... justice that Natalee Holloway is entitled to under both Dutch and American law.

Joran van der Sloot was the minor.  It was Joran who should never have been allowed in the Excelsior casino ... Carlos & Charlies.  As John Kelly stated ... the chain of event that led to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would never have happened if ... the adults in Joran's life had enforced the legal boundaries established by a civilized society for his well-being and the well-being of others.

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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that hes the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And its sort of ironic that its his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because hes underage and wasnt accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldnt have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significantwhy is that in conflict to something else weve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, hes just claiming that, you know, hes kept an eye on his son, you know, hes kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that hes, you know, got him at casinos. If youre under 18, youre not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


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Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/
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« Reply #958 on: June 05, 2008, 12:45:36 AM »

I personally think the initials carved into the sneaker look like "TV", but for those who might be inclined to say "JV".........

From the 6/17/05 statement of Jaime Carrasquilia Caceres :

>>>>SNIP

"My friends and acquaintances call me "Beto". I have known Joran since August 2004. Through the man named "Freddy Zedan" I met with Joran. One day I went to Joran's house with Freddy and since then we kept in contact. Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together. Joran's nickname is "Jojo", Freddy's nickname is "Fefi", Koen's nickname is "Cul" and Sander's nickname is "Nepi". The places we usually go out to are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. A place we regularly visit is "Carlos & Charlies".

Thanks for posting this....Jorans' nick JoJo...in Aruba the J is pronounced like a Y..YoYo...why oh why, is the name YoYo waving huge red flags at me....I read something recently and I can't place it...

omg - he's yo yo muffintop.
 

j/k


actually, Rob... you may be very well right on point with that.

   YoYo is NOT Joran
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« Reply #959 on: June 05, 2008, 12:46:00 AM »

Yo Yo may be one of the three stooges.
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