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« on: June 03, 2008, 04:43:49 PM »

Link to the last page of #3 here


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1960
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 07:32:52 PM »

Thought I would bring over a convo we had today in NCD (NAH) thread today about Freddy and his brother Ernesto.  Some interesting things in there that may be related to Shango in some way.

Link to page: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.440
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 08:23:00 PM »

old info from my files, don't know if it is of any use for ya'll


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http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html
Official Charges on Freddy:
Intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor
Intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious

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http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


Geraldo: Tell me about the young woman

Helen: She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man is being accused of right now sexual harassment..assault, whatever you want to call it. She is not the only one, the news we are getting right now is there are sex films and they have been selling them. I think it is a little bigger than even we expect as far as information I am getting right now.

Geraldo: Helen, do you know whether the authorities have seized the DVDs?

Helen: I don’t know that, they do have something, otherwise they would not have made these charges
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/28/transcripts-from-geraldo-sat-night-official-charges-against-freddie/
http://www.exposetheleft.com/2005/08/28/helenvinda/

Here is a fox news story about Freddy Arambatzis, note that photos are mentioned and not video. the girl was a minor, and I heard several comments about a video tape being sold around their circle of friends of this girl. Tickle site is down, he was locoman pimp.
http://tinyurl.com/gb627
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/04/28/aruba-natalee-holloway-comment-post-26/#comments

Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers



Sillymonkey Freddy and Jaime were listed on Joran's sites as his "best friends." Jaime is the one who some of the MB kids emailed after. When they asked about Natalee, he unleased a bunch of vile garbage and said she got what she deserved. I think the kids then read him the riot act and passed his emails along to the FBI.

Jamie is Columbian
Freddy is Venezulean

Frederick Jacinthus Arends of DVD Land & CD is his father?

The picture of Freddy's house, I know the address for the pic is 39F
but that is his mom's address on the chamber list for 2004.
Her address on the list as of 05/06/05 is Montanja 62.

So where was he residing when Natalee went missing and where does he currently live?


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ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

MOm's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

http://www.immob.biz/?p=alles&id=927&lang=NL
http://www.google.com/search?q=ARAMBATZIS+aruba&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-33,GGLG:en&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N

T. J. Ward stated that Freddy lives behind Joran.

Adres: Montana 39F en 39G
MONTANA, ARUBA (ARUBA) Vraagprijs: € 221.000




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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 08:35:41 PM »

old info from my files, don't know if it is of any use for ya'll


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http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html
Official Charges on Freddy:
Intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor
Intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious

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http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


Geraldo: Tell me about the young woman

Helen: She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man is being accused of right now sexual harassment..assault, whatever you want to call it. She is not the only one, the news we are getting right now is there are sex films and they have been selling them. I think it is a little bigger than even we expect as far as information I am getting right now.

Geraldo: Helen, do you know whether the authorities have seized the DVDs?

Helen: I don’t know that, they do have something, otherwise they would not have made these charges
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/28/transcripts-from-geraldo-sat-night-official-charges-against-freddie/
http://www.exposetheleft.com/2005/08/28/helenvinda/

Here is a fox news story about Freddy Arambatzis, note that photos are mentioned and not video. the girl was a minor, and I heard several comments about a video tape being sold around their circle of friends of this girl. Tickle site is down, he was locoman pimp.
http://tinyurl.com/gb627
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/04/28/aruba-natalee-holloway-comment-post-26/#comments

Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers



Sillymonkey Freddy and Jaime were listed on Joran's sites as his "best friends." Jaime is the one who some of the MB kids emailed after. When they asked about Natalee, he unleased a bunch of vile garbage and said she got what she deserved. I think the kids then read him the riot act and passed his emails along to the FBI.

Jamie is Columbian
Freddy is Venezulean

Frederick Jacinthus Arends of DVD Land & CD is his father?[/b]

The picture of Freddy's house, I know the address for the pic is 39F
but that is his mom's address on the chamber list for 2004.
Her address on the list as of 05/06/05 is Montanja 62.

So where was he residing when Natalee went missing and where does he currently live?


Arambatzis
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

MOm's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

http://www.immob.biz/?p=alles&id=927&lang=NL
http://www.google.com/search?q=ARAMBATZIS+aruba&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-33,GGLG:en&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N

T. J. Ward stated that Freddy lives behind Joran.

Adres: Montana 39F en 39G
MONTANA, ARUBA (ARUBA) Vraagprijs: € 221.000







I recall reading that one of Jossy’s niece was married to an Arends…Is this the one???????????
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 09:54:43 PM »



Quote Kermit…
Sillymonkey Freddy and Jaime were listed on Joran's sites as his "best friends." Jaime is the one who some of the MB kids emailed after. When they asked about Natalee, he unleased a bunch of vile garbage and said she got what she deserved. I think the kids then read him the riot act and passed his emails along to the FBI.Jamie is ColumbianFreddy is VenezuleanFrederick Jacinthus Arends of DVD Land & CD is his father?[/b]

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I recall reading that one of Jossy’s niece was married to an Arends…Is this the one???????????

Nope, wrong one!

« Reply #644 on: February 12, 2008, 03:23:54 PM »   
 

Quote from: Anna on February 12, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
And which one of the Max's is the nephew of Jossy?

I have forgotten.

.Quote from: klaasend on February 12, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
I don't know if either one is.   Where did you hear that info?

Quote Anna
Very early and I can't recall now but the mother of one is the sister or niece of Jossy.  I think it is the one who went to college in Florida.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 05:20:41 AM »

Good Morning COLUMBO and all the Tangoers...

This is the time period that I have always thought that Freddy was a suspect.  Included all the statement data that I think pertains to Steve or Freddy….and the FP posts about Freddy from before Simian's first post. Notice that there are NO statements from Freddy while Steve is a suspect!

Connie on June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm
From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s


Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm
Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 15 June 2005 / 16:25
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement 

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 17 June 2005 / 07:40
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Luigi Croes
Description: suspect interrogation
Responsive to Request 41

Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm - first post

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: John Charles Croes
Date: 22 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator DENNIS JACOBS/LUIGI CROES
Description: Chat traffic

Name:Maria De Figaroa
Date: 22 June 2005 / 18:05
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a friend of Steve Croes

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

Name: John Charles Croes
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus / Zoraida De Cuba
Description: Chat traffic

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness pointing out an area of interest

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement about a gray Toyota

Name: Rafael Solognier
Date: 30 June 2005 / 16:45
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Omar Kelly
Description: Car search

Name: Zuriel Yagaray
Date: 29 June 2005 / 15:20
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Baidrik / Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement

Name: Julia Refno
Date: 30 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 3
Writer) nitiaton Omar Kelly
Description: witness statement

Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 30 June 2005 / 22:00
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement

Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 30 June 2005 / 22:00
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement

+ Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 1 July 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Baldrik / Roland Tromp
Description: Car description

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement

Baboon Posted Jul 1, 10:38 AM - last post by Simian until Merian

Steve Croes will not be sacrificed…for Freddy?

Who said the alibi played for the Sloots

The other car



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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 05:34:36 AM »

Poor old Steve was even questioned in August when Freddy was supposedly arrested…This was the time that his mother called an American news station and said she was worried he was to be arrested again!  Steve said he was going to pick something up and that he had been exonerated.  The two law enforcement that took his statement are Dutch, from what I can tell, and it appears they didn't think he was exonerated! LOL

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Somehow it appears that Freddy was not even questioned once during his stay in jail! There are statements from a girl who filed a compaint and some other pimps, but not from Freddy!

No-one saw Freddy being released…is it a coincidence that this series of events went down on Labor Day weekend…and Natalee disappeared on Memorial Day weekend…Hmmmm!!


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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 05:43:24 PM »

Good Morning COLUMBO and all the Tangoers...

This is the time period that I have always thought that Freddy was a suspect.  Included all the statement data that I think pertains to Steve or Freddy….and the FP posts about Freddy from before Simian's first post. Notice that there are NO statements from Freddy while Steve is a suspect!

Connie on June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm
From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s


Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm
Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 15 June 2005 / 16:25
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement 

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 17 June 2005 / 07:40
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Luigi Croes
Description: suspect interrogation
Responsive to Request 41

Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm - first post

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: John Charles Croes
Date: 22 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator DENNIS JACOBS/LUIGI CROES
Description: Chat traffic

Name:Maria De Figaroa
Date: 22 June 2005 / 18:05
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a friend of Steve Croes

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

Name: John Charles Croes
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus / Zoraida De Cuba
Description: Chat traffic

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness pointing out an area of interest

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement about a gray Toyota

Name: Rafael Solognier
Date: 30 June 2005 / 16:45
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Omar Kelly
Description: Car search

Name: Zuriel Yagaray
Date: 29 June 2005 / 15:20
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Baidrik / Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement

Name: Julia Refno
Date: 30 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 3
Writer) nitiaton Omar Kelly
Description: witness statement

Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 30 June 2005 / 22:00
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement

Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 30 June 2005 / 22:00
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement

+ Name: Z.A Yarzagaray
Date: 1 July 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Baldrik / Roland Tromp
Description: Car description

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement

Baboon Posted Jul 1, 10:38 AM - last post by Simian until Merian

Steve Croes will not be sacrificed…for Freddy?

Who said the alibi played for the Sloots

The other car







in Shango there are no hidden suspects
he goes on to say that DH and the elder may not be crucified
Simian never mentions PVDS prior to the fifth
Simian never mentions the fifth after mentioning PVDS
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 05:45:14 PM »

also-elder had one, or two, cards up his sleeve that were played......could that be describing the exchange that was posted earlier re: 2 folks brought in, 1 dutch, 1 not dutch?
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 05:46:54 PM »

1 card was kept hidden......(assuming) the other was not
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 06:46:58 PM »

"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja."
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Zedan Arambatzis – age 21 in 2005
Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. (source:p. 1 Jorans book)
Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. (source: p. 1 Joran's book)
Freddy's English sucked (source p. 5 Joran's book)
I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago.(source: June 12 Freddy's statement as written in Joran's book)
Freddy lives behind Joran.( D-6/11)

19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla
7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 08:47:44 PM »

Five members of the Aruban Mansur Family, viz. Mr. Elias F. Mansur, Mrs. Damia M. de Cuba-Mansur, Mr. Luis E. Mansur, Mr. Miguel J. Mansur and Mrs. Sarah E. Arends-Mansur, have raised objections against general references in the following chapter to the Mansurs or the Mansur family. In their opinion these references may be understood as including them and thereby implicating them in alleged wrongdoing they have never committed.
The author is of the opinion that such references to a large family will not be misunderstood as including each and every member of the family. However, in case this opinion should prove incorrect, the author points out that he regrets such misunderstanding and that he did not intend said references to implicate all members of the family.
Posted by: iquitos | Oct 25, 2005 12:55:56 AM

Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Holloway).

 Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation

Max Arrends mother is Sarah E. Arends-Mansur (sister or niece of Jossy Mansur)
ARENDS-MANSURSARAH ELIANA ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 16
MANSUR    JOSSY MEHSEN    IERLANDSTRAAT    10    ORANJESTAD
MANSUR    LUIS EMILIO    MALMOKWEG    22    NOORD
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 11:39:46 PM »

Thanks Kermie..you always have the answers we need.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 08:08:19 AM »

Which Max Arends are we talking about here? The one that was Joran's classmate or Lorenzo's friend?
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 08:30:46 AM »

Which Max Arends are we talking about here? The one that was Joran's classmate or Lorenzo's friend?


Good Morning...I believe young Max...Bibbi's? son...the one scuba spoke to in the movie theater in Florida...I am checking on Sarah now as I thought I read she was 60 and I think that might make her Grandma! Not sure because I don't understand the name connections...and my logic tells me that their kids would be Mansur if she is Jossy's sister!

I thought Vanessa was Momma from previous discussions and pics and Poppa is Maximilon,sp....they are so darn connected!!!!

There is a pic of Sarah I saw the other day, I just have to find it again!

There is a Madeline with the names reversed which I think would make their kids Arends!!! Confused...Welcome to the new Shango thread!!!   



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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 08:49:05 AM »

Here is a pic of a Sara...they can't spell over there so it may be Sarah! Scroll down th the bottom og the page! It is about La Cabanarom July 2001...makes me think she is not Max's Mom!

I think Madeline's name is the same way around!!!

Vms....Help!!!...Pita....Help!....Please...

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 09:41:52 AM »

Poor old Steve was even questioned in August when Freddy was supposedly arrested…This was the time that his mother called an American news station and said she was worried he was to be arrested again!  Steve said he was going to pick something up and that he had been exonerated.  The two law enforcement that took his statement are Dutch, from what I can tell, and it appears they didn't think he was exonerated! LOL

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Somehow it appears that Freddy was not even questioned once during his stay in jail! There are statements from a girl who filed a compaint and some other pimps, but not from Freddy!

No-one saw Freddy being released…is it a coincidence that this series of events went down on Labor Day weekend…and Natalee disappeared on Memorial Day weekend…Hmmmm!!




Are you saying it's possible that Simian was trying to deflect away from Steve when he mentioned the 5th suspect?  I was after Steve's arrest and it looked as if he would take a big hit as being involved.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 09:43:33 AM »

Which Max Arends are we talking about here? The one that was Joran's classmate or Lorenzo's friend?


Good Morning...I believe young Max...Bibbi's? son...the one scuba spoke to in the movie theater in Florida...I am checking on Sarah now as I thought I read she was 60 and I think that might make her Grandma! Not sure because I don't understand the name connections...and my logic tells me that their kids would be Mansur if she is Jossy's sister!

I thought Vanessa was Momma from previous discussions and pics and Poppa is Maximilon,sp....they are so darn connected!!!!

There is a pic of Sarah I saw the other day, I just have to find it again!

There is a Madeline with the names reversed which I think would make their kids Arends!!! Confused...Welcome to the new Shango thread!!!   





Vanessa?  As in the poster Vanessa?  I am confused for sure. LOL
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 11:16:19 AM »

Poor old Steve was even questioned in August when Freddy was supposedly arrested…This was the time that his mother called an American news station and said she was worried he was to be arrested again!  Steve said he was going to pick something up and that he had been exonerated.  The two law enforcement that took his statement are Dutch, from what I can tell, and it appears they didn't think he was exonerated! LOL

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Somehow it appears that Freddy was not even questioned once during his stay in jail! There are statements from a girl who filed a compaint and some other pimps, but not from Freddy!

No-one saw Freddy being released…is it a coincidence that this series of events went down on Labor Day weekend…and Natalee disappeared on Memorial Day weekend…Hmmmm!!




What I could pick up from "who said the alibi played for the Sloots..."
is that Steve by alibing NH was dropped off at the hotel was to alibi someone else....This would probbly alibi a lot of people as well as himself if NH returned to the hotel including Freddy who may have been  in the other car.  Now since Steve and GCV were friends, perhaps he along with everyone else was mainly alibiing Geofrey Cromvroit and himself by making sure everyone knew she was back at her hotel and not out where any of them had prevented her return.   That is how I read this, even though the question mark makes the reading more difficult.  That was pretty slick.   Jack b
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 11:46:51 AM »

Here is a pic of a Sara...they can't spell over there so it may be Sarah! Scroll down th the bottom og the page! It is about La Cabanarom July 2001...makes me think she is not Max's Mom!

I think Madeline's name is the same way around!!!

Vms....Help!!!...Pita....Help!....Please...

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html


Exactly, Mum. Vanessa is Bibi's wife.


ARENDS-MANSUR, SARAH ELIANA
Residing in  ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 16, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 24 AUGUST 1937


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