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« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2008, 07:52:09 PM »

Thanks to Rob, VMS, Pita, Hotping, Mum and anyone else I missed that supplied info today on Paciello....so I am assuming that Ernesto began his modeling career...if he was gay why did he get married...oh nevermind...so he was in the modeling scene before some of those on Aruba.  Wonder if Ronchi has connections to Paciello and Ernesto?  Does anyone remember the name of that modeling agency that Kawish was with?  Guido?  I am thinking out loud here...

Excellent work monkeys!!

Maybe so he could live in the US?? American wife?

I probably have way too much to catch up on. Sorry.
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« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2008, 08:02:57 PM »

Lala's...this puts Ernesto in Florida in 1994, and I have seen it posted he graduated that year. I am sure I went to the website and am looking for it now! Otherwise I will do the math!!!

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2004-02-26/news/rope-tricks/


Published on February 26, 2004

But you clearly don't have the bod, the patter, or the attitude of Karen and her micro-mini'd ilk. All the usual suspects from the South Beach scene agree that most people living the high life without paying for it are the beautiful, traffickers in the beautiful, celebrities, or people from the nightlife, fashion, or music industries. "You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.

Not sure if this helps -- but that would be Ernie's 'return' to Florida.

I have an article (somewhere) about a farewell party for him as he left South Beach for NYC in 1993 (iirc).

Maybe he didn't like the weather...but he seemed to return to S Florida in about a year.

Again -- apologies if I'm out of context.
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« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2008, 03:25:14 AM »

Thanks Finngirl! I find it interesting that things always trail back to Brickell Bay in Florida. Too interesting. I am probably the only one on here that NEVER trusted Jossy. He is just too involved in island politics, and knows too many people to not know what happened. I am sorry, but I do not trust him one bit. He is too powerful to trust. I was hoping he would do the right thing, but alas, he has too many friends and enemies in high positions.

YW  Cool

I've never trusted Jossy, since Day One ...
neither did finbar

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« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2008, 06:22:40 AM »

Thanks Finngirl! I find it interesting that things always trail back to Brickell Bay in Florida. Too interesting. I am probably the only one on here that NEVER trusted Jossy. He is just too involved in island politics, and knows too many people to not know what happened. I am sorry, but I do not trust him one bit. He is too powerful to trust. I was hoping he would do the right thing, but alas, he has too many friends and enemies in high positions.

YW  Cool

I've never trusted Jossy, since Day One ...
neither did finbar

guess that makes three of us  Wink Wink Wink



finngirl,
count me in . . . Jamie Skeeters didn't seem to trust him either. 

I used to speak to Jamie, before he died of course, and sometimes he would just start talking about other aspects of the case and the people involved - he had a lot to say about Jossy...
needless to say - I trusted Jamie a lot more than Jossy..

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vms, I found that "Luis Oduber" a long time ago - but could never find anything more about him . . . he was my first serious guess as to who "Luis" really was. I'm not able to log in there - can you screen capture the pic???

if not, I'll open an account.
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« Reply #104 on: June 08, 2008, 09:07:33 AM »

Thanks Finngirl! I find it interesting that things always trail back to Brickell Bay in Florida. Too interesting. I am probably the only one on here that NEVER trusted Jossy. He is just too involved in island politics, and knows too many people to not know what happened. I am sorry, but I do not trust him one bit. He is too powerful to trust. I was hoping he would do the right thing, but alas, he has too many friends and enemies in high positions.

YW  Cool

I've never trusted Jossy, since Day One ...
neither did finbar

guess that makes three of us  Wink Wink Wink


Five of us , I think Jossy know's way more then he's saying.
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« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2008, 09:54:43 AM »

Thanks Finngirl! I find it interesting that things always trail back to Brickell Bay in Florida. Too interesting. I am probably the only one on here that NEVER trusted Jossy. He is just too involved in island politics, and knows too many people to not know what happened. I am sorry, but I do not trust him one bit. He is too powerful to trust. I was hoping he would do the right thing, but alas, he has too many friends and enemies in high positions.

YW  Cool

I've never trusted Jossy, since Day One ...
neither did finbar

guess that makes three of us  Wink Wink Wink



Only three

All is no as it appears...

Blonde...Thanks for the response on the computer records...

Sharon...anything on Ernesto in NY...TIA
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« Reply #106 on: June 08, 2008, 10:41:43 AM »

Mum

I'm looking but striking out. Most of the 'links' I saved -- many of them cached -- no longer work.

Sout out to vms....vms has a 'data center' wroth of stuff. I believe the frog has this stuff too The article from the 'going away party' for Ernesto. He left Miami for New York. I think it was 2003.

Here's a link to a nother picture of Ernie. Not sure if you've seen this one. (some of my old links still work)


http://www.southbeach-usa.com/clubs/misc/stage/stage1.htm
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« Reply #107 on: June 08, 2008, 12:43:08 PM »

Thanks Finngirl! I find it interesting that things always trail back to Brickell Bay in Florida. Too interesting. I am probably the only one on here that NEVER trusted Jossy. He is just too involved in island politics, and knows too many people to not know what happened. I am sorry, but I do not trust him one bit. He is too powerful to trust. I was hoping he would do the right thing, but alas, he has too many friends and enemies in high positions.

YW  Cool

I've never trusted Jossy, since Day One ...
neither did finbar

guess that makes three of us  Wink Wink Wink



finngirl,
count me in . . . Jamie Skeeters didn't seem to trust him either. 

I used to speak to Jamie, before he died of course, and sometimes he would just start talking about other aspects of the case and the people involved - he had a lot to say about Jossy...
needless to say - I trusted Jamie a lot more than Jossy..

Ditto me too -- since 2005
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« Reply #108 on: June 08, 2008, 12:44:11 PM »

I don't think you are alone Finn...I have been trying to connect Jossy, Ernesto, Freddy and a few others.  The key here is Florida...the answers lie in something that happens in that state.  Too many coincidences. 

Jossy has a home there...his daughter owns a Hooters there, or did at some point. Ernesto is heavy into the South Beach scene...they all live within spitting distance of each other and Ft. Lauderdale.  Two years ago someone kept telling me that there is a lot of information in Ft. Lauderdale...I never understood that until recently.  We have people connected that live in Miami Beach, Miami, Doral, Ft. Lauderdale, Jacksonville,  Plantation, Stewart, and various other places in Florida.  I have had monkeys all over the place chasing things and they all go back to Florida...the place so many of our suspects and witnesses have been associated with.  I have become more suspicious as the days go by...the dots won't line up for me. I am hoping one of your other monkeys can do this...VMS, Mum, Finn, Sharon, Hotping, Rob, Grande, anybody at this point. 

I guess you can sense my frustrations...we have people changing names and address that don't go anywhere...this is more like a nightmare than reality.  I have never seen anything remotely like this story in the movies...they can't write this kind of stuff...nobody would believe it.

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« Reply #109 on: June 08, 2008, 12:52:35 PM »


Now, unless I miss my guess here, Kermit never posts unless there is a reason...so I am looking at these names and I see some that are interesting...anyone notice anything too?

Maiky Croes?  Caps mentioned him too.
Andin Bikker?  Caps mentioned this guy also...heck I think Caps has mentionec most all of these people at one time or another.  Can't make the connections.  Lot's of Croes there and another name that rings a bell with me. HMMMMM.

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« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2008, 01:42:14 PM »

This one, Sharon?


MOON OVER SKYBAR:
The Thursday night party at SkyBar has always had a large model following and often the party resembled a casting session with gorgeous young faces (and bodies) posed eternally on the beds around the pool. Since most of the models have grabbed their portfolios and made a fashionable exit along with the tourists I predicted an un-crowded party. WRONG! The place was packed and let me be the first to tell you…all the models haven’t left. Under an incredibly beautiful full moon, the beautiful and trendy partied and cuddled (on the beds). Many gathered to say goodbye (he’ll be back) to Ernesto Arambatzis who has moved to New York City. Some even danced to the sounds of DJ Nayib Esteban. SEEN: Jason Binn (he’s engaged), Jacquelynn D. Powers, Ernesto Arambatzis (who’s leaving us for NYC), Jose Ortiz (who’s leaving us for L.A.), Eddie Smith, promoters Erica Freshman and Zack Bush, stylish fashionistas Alicia & Dre, and photographer Seth Browarnik.   

http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/04-24-03/Nightlife.htm
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« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2008, 03:03:43 PM »

found this in an old file

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« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2008, 03:51:26 PM »

Mum

I'm looking but striking out. Most of the 'links' I saved -- many of them cached -- no longer work.

Sout out to vms....vms has a 'data center' wroth of stuff. I believe the frog has this stuff too The article from the 'going away party' for Ernesto. He left Miami for New York. I think it was 2003.

Here's a link to a nother picture of Ernie. Not sure if you've seen this one. (some of my old links still work)


http://www.southbeach-usa.com/clubs/misc/stage/stage1.htm


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MOON OVER SKYBAR: The Thursday night party at SkyBar has always had a large model following and often the party resembled a casting session with gorgeous young faces (and bodies) posed eternally on the beds around the pool. Since most of the models have grabbed their portfolios and made a fashionable exit along with the tourists I predicted an un-crowded party. WRONG! The place was packed and let me be the first to tell you…all the models haven’t left. Under an incredibly beautiful full moon, the beautiful and trendy partied and cuddled (on the beds). Many gathered to say goodbye (he’ll be back) to Ernesto Arambatzis who has moved to New York City. Some even danced to the sounds of DJ Nayib Esteban. SEEN: Jason Binn (he’s engaged), Jacquelynn D. Powers, Ernesto Arambatzis (who’s leaving us for NYC), Jose Ortiz (who’s leaving us for L.A.), Eddie Smith, promoters Erica Freshman and Zack Bush, stylish fashionistas Alicia & Dre, and photographer Seth Browarnik.   

http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/04-24-03/Nightlife.htm

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« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2008, 04:41:06 PM »

re: trusting Jossy.......The Simian wasn't entirely trusted either:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!





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« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2008, 05:18:42 PM »

re: trusting Jossy.......The Simian wasn't entirely trusted either:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?

Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!







Simian played?  Band?  Maybe poison notes is just that...musical notes.  Follow the music.  hmmmmm.
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« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2008, 07:57:25 PM »

Lala's:

Think maybe notes are loans (credit line anybody?)

What is "played" is "the game"

Follow the poison notes (money)

he will sing for his son: 'a poisonous siren in the halls of babylon'

why did the girl owe money

"but it was not a game"

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
pg 4: "the game", "players", "honey laden notes"
pg 15: "forbidden fruits/secrets"
pg 18/22: "rules of the game"
pg 7/24: "Arawaks often go to play in small houses of babylon......", "not all lions leave their den"


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« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2008, 09:57:33 PM »

MyntUltra Lounge
1921 Collins Ave.
MIAMI BEACH   FL   33139
Telephone: 786.276.6132
Fax: 786.276.6131
teamed with Mynt Lounge marketing director Ernesto Arambatzis
 http://www.bizbash.com/florida/newsletter/issue046.html

With or without the assistance of the moon this Wednesday night party, which Max co hosts with Ernesto Arambatzis,
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/01-30-03/Nightlife.htm

Since I didn’t make an appearance at Skybar the previous week for Ernesto Arambatzis’ new party,
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/03-06-03/Nightlife.htm


Creator Ernesto Arambatzis, president of Brainworks & Co.,
http://www.southbeach-usa.com/miami-beach-news/miami-beach-news-9.htm




http://www.southbeach-usa.com/clubs/misc/stage/stage1.htm

Ernesto Arambatzis and friends at Level:


Ernesto is also on the team at the Rok bar.
http://www.cooljunkie.com/clubs/girl_about_town_0517_location_miami_1603.html

Open House Jan. 7, 2005
hosted by Ernesto Arambatzis
http://www.cooljunkie.com/miami/open_house_venue_cafeteria_miami_19720.html


The Marlin Hotel’s new owners are making quite a few changes with the historic hotel including transforming the lobby into a restaurant called REX.
On Tuesday night I joined a crowd of media types to sample the restaurants cuisine and check out the changes.
Ernesto Arambatzis
http://cubbywritesmiami.blogspot.com/

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In association with Gerry Kelly and Noah Lazes Presents:
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Hosted by Troy Parsons & Ernesto Arambatzis

Wednesday June 7th 2000 10PM
Complimentary Bar 10-11pm
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"You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004

LALAMOM ASKED ABOUT THIS I THINK. SORRY I FORGOT TO POST IT AWHILE BACK FOR YA

Ernesto       Arambatzis             1994       Porlamar       NE       Venezuela
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From Grande's original post on SM, I traced back:


http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/image.asp?page=1&cfn_master_id=17537889#image

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/civil/docketinfo.asp?pCase_Year=2005&pCase_Seq=9957&pCase_Code=FC&pCase_Loc=04&id=AAAA8tAAHAAAhW/AAb

There is a party promoter in Miami with the name, Ariel Stein, but I do not know if it is the same person.
http://www.cooljunkie.com/miami/automatic_slims_venue_automatic_slims_miami_8446.html
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/search/locations.php?oid=8112&locationSearch=1

The document shows Ernesto's date of birth as 8/18/76.
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Ernesto Arambatzis: On left


He is a model too!

so that makes:
Guido Wever
Kelvin Hally
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Ernesto Armbatzis all models.

or in America we call them Porn Stars.










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« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2008, 10:16:16 PM »

Lala's:

Think maybe notes are loans (credit line anybody?)

What is "played" is "the game"

Follow the poison notes (money)

he will sing for his son: 'a poisonous siren in the halls of babylon'

why did the girl owe money

"but it was not a game"

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
pg 4: "the game", "players", "honey laden notes"
pg 15: "forbidden fruits/secrets"
pg 18/22: "rules of the game"
pg 7/24: "Arawaks often go to play in small houses of babylon......", "not all lions leave their den"




Follow the poison notes (money)

bogus bank loans - they set these up to money launder and a host of other criminal endeavors.

why did the girlowe money

maybe this girl is not Natalee... but the person with the bogus bank loans?? Anita?? Julie? any of those hens fit the bill.
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« Reply #118 on: June 09, 2008, 12:31:37 AM »

OK...OK...OK...I was just thinking out loud...I didn't mean I know anything about Shango.  Gosh!!   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #119 on: June 09, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »

LaLa's - I know that Jossy has been a wonderful help to Beth and to Natalee's cause.  Everyone is grateful for what he has done......BUT, Jossy and his family have a dark and deep history of corruption. They are not clean.  The information that emerged from the BAT scandal was not pretty.  They own so much of that island.  In those BAT documents, I think I read that Jossy even maintains a Venezuelan citizenship which could be a connection to Freddy and Ernesto.  Are they related somehow, legitimately or illegitimately?  I just hate to disparage Jossy because of all that he has done and for what he continues to do, however, a man with his power on that small island knows exactly what happened that night.  I believe that he could break the entire case open.  I feel that he helps us only to a certain extent.  I also feel that the help that he has given may be political motivated because he has a few personal scores to settle. I have always felt that he could be Shango.  I also don't trust him.
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