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« Reply #1020 on: July 28, 2008, 11:02:32 AM »

FWIW.

New girl was a member of the forum and was a really good researcher. IIRC, she said she was an attorney and from the midwest. IL or MI? Not sure, my memory is fading...
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« Reply #1021 on: July 30, 2008, 08:58:05 PM »

I'm catching up on my reading and came across this post by CapsLockWiz over on the main thread. I'm bringing it here due to Caps reference of the Arawaks "BEN KING AND LAWYER CARLO" :

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.560

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Are you talking about the you tube videos that have been in circulation on the internet for a while now or is this something completely different?  I have seen several that were sent to me before that had these same things in them.  I am wondering if this is a new set or the same ones as before? TIA

BTW glad you are doing well in the bat cave. 
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You see, these videos are the real thing before what has been cut to show the world. Things that de Vries never shared to the world. these DVD are 2 hrs lonf and contain the whole process of the undercover operation, what joran said and where he show Hans Mos he eveidance and where Hans MOS aware of this conffesion.

Joran sate that he met natalee that night, he know the girl for about 3 hours and that she died on her and where he has caled his friend to despose of it. It is all in Dutch.

How did I got my hand on....don't ask...

But I have some question but it also let me have a clear inside who the Arawak is.  The Lawyer Carlo and Ben King.

Ben King work for the Chief Prosecuter and Live with Paules Van der Sloot. Mantana 19, that is why I can not find an adress for him in any registry.


I will see if I can load them up...but will check...these are the videos where the things were cut out that no one have seem

The on on you tube is just an extract and not the video it self.

The on called "Het Geheim van Aruba" is 2 hours long very good work. Tranlation "The Secret of Aruba"

This movie I have not see on the Internet. Will have to put my streaming server on

and the one from where Joran confess that Pater show was just a bit and not the whole thing.

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« Reply #1022 on: July 30, 2008, 09:31:52 PM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…

 

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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
 
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« Reply #1023 on: July 31, 2008, 02:11:22 AM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…

 

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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
 


 
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« Reply #1024 on: July 31, 2008, 05:25:16 AM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…

 

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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
 


 

Poochy…I am sure Texasmom can explain this post of Caps’, because after reading all the previous discussions by Caps on Vocking something is not right with this post…


Well, I will say that I know the FACE of the man since 2002-2004 where he was driving arround in his small VW in the area where they are selling prostitution. I my research on The Man came from a person that know The Man very well and when I was posting the info's, he provided me with all the Info add that time from the Pictures I have showed to Him.

Now at 3:30 am I said What I said because my eyes and my brain was very tired but he came to mind the more I read the riddle. Now The Man had many diffrent name and one of it is Jaguar = Hunter, Benny, Benancio, King, The Man, etc. and for that reason I said "what ever his name is" becuase the more you search about this man one will find all kinds of stories and which part of these volumes of stories do we need.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.900

Have to help my daughter today and will be back later tonight, and I am sure this will be cleared up, finally, once and for all! 

 


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« Reply #1025 on: July 31, 2008, 06:13:50 PM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…
 
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Poochy…I am sure Texasmom can explain this post of Caps’, because after reading all the previous discussions by Caps on Vocking something is not right with this post…
If I truly thought anything I said would suffice, I would attempt it with the hope that it would put a stop to this nonsense.  However, I'm sure that Caps knows more when it comes to Ben (Vocking) King, than I do.  My sources are very limited, and he has access to many more.  If mum has factual knowledge that she's not shared on this subject I challenge her to share it, if not I hope she will consider refraining from her criticism of Caps by nit-picking every post he's made regarding almost anything.  It's not beneficial to finding answers...and in my opinion seems very childish.  I would hope at this point that we're all here for the same reason, we all have opinions, and hopefully we have all realized that everything we've read or been told may not have been correct.  Time spent debating these things is wasted in my opinion.  If mum thinks she knows more than Caps about any subject I encourage her to post HER thoughts or findings on the subject and leave it to the readers to decide who they choose to believe.

That's all I have to say about that....    
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« Reply #1026 on: July 31, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »

So what is Ben King's role?  Did he hide the body of Natlaee Holloway for Paulus?  Is he Dirty Hand or is that Deutekom?  I would like to see some evidence that supports some of the facts everyone seems to want to toss around in here.  I know this is speculation, but I too would like to know exactly what King did.  I want to know which it is...Carlo or King...or both.  I want to know why Simian spent lots of his time trying to lead us away from things.  Knowing what I know now about Simian/Merian/Mono/Baboon I can no longer think he knew much more than what he read in the newspapers and obtained from his relatives. Which was not the most reliable source available.  Shango is the same, he was telling a tale to lead us in another direction.  Which direction is it?  To others that were responsible and not Joran?   Does that ultimately lead us to give the Kalpoes and Joran a pass as to the final resting place of Natalee and what happened to her?  If you believe that Antonio Carlo and Ben King were there along with Deutekom you have to release Joran of anything but the fact he was stupid. Caps said in the Natalee thread that Ben King was there that night...that should be huge, huge...why isn't it?  Where are those videos that proves this? We want to see them is all.  I take nothing at face value in this case and I want clarification just as Mum does.  And everyone knows that I am on Caps side so don't anyone start bashing me on this...the two of us would like to see the videos and figure out if it is really true that Antonio Carlo and Ben King were the people that helped dispose of Natalee that night.  Just because we ask does not mean we don't believe it, it's just a matter of holding ones feet to the fire in order to get at the truth.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left



Dirty Hand=Deutekom
Escorts=Carlo and King
Shivas=Kalpoes (Keep in mind that Caps does not say the shivas are the Kalpoes, that is my interpretation)

Now that actually fits, doesn't it? 

Lalas says:
Deutekom knows that Carlo and King provided escort after the Kalpoes left.


Would you put yourself in a position to tell Karen Jansen that you knew Joran was responsible for what happened to Natalee and then be the person that got rid of the body for him?   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #1027 on: July 31, 2008, 08:02:10 PM »


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this


Let's talk about this alibi.  Why is it in capital letters?  Is it significant or was it a typo?  If Deutekom is Dirty Hand that means he had to be there to know how to break the alibi.  Apparently, Shango is acknowledging that Simian knows who dirty hand is and that the alibi is easily broken...but only by....Deutekom?  Hmmmm.

Back to who are the Arawaks?  Who are the cowboys?  I need to go back and see what Caps said about those two terms.  I can't remember, but I will find it eventually.
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« Reply #1028 on: July 31, 2008, 08:23:32 PM »


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this


Let's talk about this alibi.  Why is it in capital letters?  Is it significant or was it a typo?  If Deutekom is Dirty Hand that means he had to be there to know how to break the alibi.  Apparently, Shango is acknowledging that Simian knows who dirty hand is and that the alibi is easily broken...but only by....Deutekom?   Hmmmm.

Back to who are the Arawaks?  Who are the cowboys?  I need to go back and see what Caps said about those two terms.  I can't remember, but I will find it eventually.
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« Reply #1029 on: July 31, 2008, 08:24:46 PM »

 
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« Reply #1030 on: July 31, 2008, 09:18:10 PM »

Why can't we ask questions in this thread?  Has there been some mandate that I am not aware of?  I don't get it.  That is why I have been away from here and not posted much.  No matter what I say it gets twisted into some bashing of another person and that is not the case.  I give up!

People ask me questions and I ask them questions.  How else are we suppose to get any clarification on anything anymore or is that not the point...just let everything fly and see what sticks?  Just don't ever question anyone?   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #1031 on: July 31, 2008, 09:21:15 PM »


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this


Let's talk about this alibi.  Why is it in capital letters?  Is it significant or was it a typo?  If Deutekom is Dirty Hand that means he had to be there to know how to break the alibi.  Apparently, Shango is acknowledging that Simian knows who dirty hand is and that the alibi is easily broken...but only by....Deutekom?   Hmmmm.

Back to who are the Arawaks?  Who are the cowboys?  I need to go back and see what Caps said about those two terms.  I can't remember, but I will find it eventually.
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Knowing what I know now about Simian/Merian/Mono/Baboon I can no longer think he knew much more than what he read in the newspapers and obtained from his relatives. Which was not the most reliable source available.  Shango is the same, he was telling a tale to lead us in another direction.

 



That's right.  I know who Simian is and he was trying to get everyone to leave his relative alone.  That is why he pointed the finger at the 5th suspect.  He wanted us to leave his cousin out of it. MOO
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« Reply #1032 on: July 31, 2008, 10:05:54 PM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…
 
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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
 
Poochy…I am sure Texasmom can explain this post of Caps’, because after reading all the previous discussions by Caps on Vocking something is not right with this post…
If I truly thought anything I said would suffice, I would attempt it with the hope that it would put a stop to this nonsense.  However, I'm sure that Caps knows more when it comes to Ben (Vocking) King, than I do.  My sources are very limited, and he has access to many more.  If mum has factual knowledge that she's not shared on this subject I challenge her to share it, if not I hope she will consider refraining from her criticism of Caps by nit-picking every post he's made regarding almost anything.  It's not beneficial to finding answers...and in my opinion seems very childish.  I would hope at this point that we're all here for the same reason, we all have opinions, and hopefully we have all realized that everything we've read or been told may not have been correct.  Time spent debating these things is wasted in my opinion.  If mum thinks she knows more than Caps about any subject I encourage her to post HER thoughts or findings on the subject and leave it to the readers to decide who they choose to believe.

That's all I have to say about that....    





The facts are in the link in my previous post…and in the previous discussions in the other Shango threads. This is the second time I have posted these links…and the information has already been shared…I CHALLENGE YOU, TEXASMOM, to do your homework, read ALL the posts and open all the links. Something is seriously wrong in those discussions. It may be important to the case and I have already attempted to bring it to light and been attacked for doing it.

This is the Shango thread, and I can be as cryptic as I please…That being said I, unlike some other posters have always shared my research and the majority of the time back them up with research and links. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander…LOL…Are you asking ME to back up my post…This in itself is a joke! This is all that has ever been asked of Caps, other than databank information on Freddy, which it appears, for some reason he does not respond to. Call me naive, but I am not just going to accept any poster’s opinion or post as proof.

What I call childish is your continued posting of rolling eyes, dancing monkeys, and an occasional post that mostly follows Caps’theories. You continue to attack and insult any poster who might questions your friends’ posts. I have seen posts of yours that I consider downright rude…Since April I can show you 3 of your posts where you have insulted 3 different posters…Maybe you should practice what you preach…

Quite frankly your opinion on what we spend our time debating isn’t worth anything, it isn’t worth squat. Your last sentence is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read! It should be obvious to even a 1st. grader that most of the time I speak and understand English way better than Caps does. So I would say at the very least English...would you like more?

BTW…If you don’t like the discussion, skip it…Back to what I have been doing since your last attack on me in April…. Texasmom is on Ignore, skipped over…and that is MY last word on the subject. But seeing you always have to have the last word, be right of course and seem to get enjoyment out of belittling other posters, I expect to see at least a rolling eyes Monkey.
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« Reply #1033 on: July 31, 2008, 11:10:40 PM »

I was thinking the other day that we haven't seen Colombo lately.  I miss his discussions on the gambling and casino aspects of Shango. He always had me going in a thousand directions trying to understand what he meant. He always had a good argument about Paulus being the 5th suspect. I just could not wrap my mind around the thought that Natalee could possibly interested in Paulus for any reason.  She did not seem to recognize him in the casino that night and he was clearly talking to her.  It seems he was pointing to Joran and saying some thing about him...that is why I believe it was Paulus there beside her.  Hey, Colombo come back and get us back on track again. I miss you.
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« Reply #1034 on: August 01, 2008, 12:31:25 AM »

Thanks Poochy…here is the link to a previous discussion on Caps’ friend Ben Vocking. Seems to be some confusion…still…
 
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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
 
Poochy…I am sure Texasmom can explain this post of Caps’, because after reading all the previous discussions by Caps on Vocking something is not right with this post…
If I truly thought anything I said would suffice, I would attempt it with the hope that it would put a stop to this nonsense.  However, I'm sure that Caps knows more when it comes to Ben (Vocking) King, than I do.  My sources are very limited, and he has access to many more.  If mum has factual knowledge that she's not shared on this subject I challenge her to share it, if not I hope she will consider refraining from her criticism of Caps by nit-picking every post he's made regarding almost anything.  It's not beneficial to finding answers...and in my opinion seems very childish.  I would hope at this point that we're all here for the same reason, we all have opinions, and hopefully we have all realized that everything we've read or been told may not have been correct.  Time spent debating these things is wasted in my opinion.  If mum thinks she knows more than Caps about any subject I encourage her to post HER thoughts or findings on the subject and leave it to the readers to decide who they choose to believe.

That's all I have to say about that....    
The facts are in the link in my previous post…and in the previous discussions in the other Shango threads. This is the second time I have posted these links…and the information has already been shared…I CHALLENGE YOU, TEXASMOM, to do your homework, read ALL the posts and open all the links. Something is seriously wrong in those discussions. It may be important to the case and I have already attempted to bring it to light and been attacked for doing it.

This is the Shango thread, and I can be as cryptic as I please…That being said I, unlike some other posters have always shared my research and the majority of the time back them up with research and links. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander…LOL…Are you asking ME to back up my post…This in itself is a joke! This is all that has ever been asked of Caps, other than databank information on Freddy, which it appears, for some reason he does not respond to. Call me naive, but I am not just going to accept any poster’s opinion or post as proof.

What I call childish is your continued posting of rolling eyes, dancing monkeys, and an occasional post that mostly follows Caps’theories. You continue to attack and insult any poster who might questions your friends’ posts. I have seen posts of yours that I consider downright rude…Since April I can show you 3 of your posts where you have insulted 3 different posters…Maybe you should practice what you preach…

Quite frankly your opinion on what we spend our time debating isn’t worth anything, it isn’t worth squat. Your last sentence is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read! It should be obvious to even a 1st. grader that most of the time I speak and understand English way better than Caps does. So I would say at the very least English...would you like more?

BTW…If you don’t like the discussion, skip it…Back to what I have been doing since your last attack on me in April…. Texasmom is on Ignore, skipped over  …and that is MY last word on the subject. But seeing you always have to have the last word, be right of course and seem to get enjoyment out of belittling other posters, I expect to see at least a rolling eyes Monkey.

You have not been attacked by me, ever; and it won't happen. 
That's not what I'm here for.

It's all about Natalee....
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1035 on: August 01, 2008, 08:02:46 AM »

I was thinking the other day that we haven't seen Colombo lately.  I miss his discussions on the gambling and casino aspects of Shango. He always had me going in a thousand directions trying to understand what he meant. He always had a good argument about Paulus being the 5th suspect. I just could not wrap my mind around the thought that Natalee could possibly interested in Paulus for any reason.  She did not seem to recognize him in the casino that night and he was clearly talking to her.  It seems he was pointing to Joran and saying some thing about him...that is why I believe it was Paulus there beside her.  Hey, Colombo come back and get us back on track again. I miss you.

Wow…Lala’s…just like old times in the Shango thread for me. Thanks…I have responses and questions to all your posts…LOL…may take me a while…

Yourself and the veteran Tangoers have so much knowledge and insight to offer and even though COLOMBO’S posts still totally confuse me, I thoroughly enjoy reading his posts. There are some excellent posts in the early pages of the Shango threads. Unfortunately some of these posters don’t seem to be around much in the last few months. Some may never post again. Such a shame! Always appreciate it when some of them occasionally stop by…

Waiting patiently for COLOMBO'S glossary to help me understand his posts...guess he figures he did his homework and I need to do mine...


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« Reply #1036 on: August 01, 2008, 08:16:05 AM »


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this


Let's talk about this alibi.  Why is it in capital letters?  Is it significant or was it a typo?  If Deutekom is Dirty Hand that means he had to be there to know how to break the alibi.  Apparently, Shango is acknowledging that Simian knows who dirty hand is and that the alibi is easily broken...but only by....Deutekom?   Hmmmm.

Back to who are the Arawaks?  Who are the cowboys?  I need to go back and see what Caps said about those two terms.  I can't remember, but I will find it eventually.
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Knowing what I know now about Simian/Merian/Mono/Baboon I can no longer think he knew much more than what he read in the newspapers and obtained from his relatives. Which was not the most reliable source available.  Shango is the same, he was telling a tale to lead us in another direction.

 



That's right.  I know who Simian is and he was trying to get everyone to leave his relative alone.  That is why he pointed the finger at the 5th suspect.  He wanted us to leave his cousin out of it. MOO


Lala’s…call the man. Maybe he is ready to tell us what he meant! It is worth a try, and it can’t hurt. If he was really offering factual information and not just a paid shill,  one would think he would be glad to oblige…

The famous pic, the Star, the other car, who the alibi played for, the orange regal visage and of course all about the boyfriend from earlier in the week. Oh My!

Not a phone person otherwise I would have called by now....His info is in the previous thread, but you know that…LOL
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« Reply #1037 on: August 01, 2008, 09:01:40 AM »

Why can't we ask questions in this thread?  Has there been some mandate that I am not aware of?  I don't get it.  That is why I have been away from here and not posted much.  No matter what I say it gets twisted into some bashing of another person and that is not the case.  I give up!

People ask me questions and I ask them questions.  How else are we suppose to get any clarification on anything anymore or is that not the point...just let everything fly and see what sticks?  Just don't ever question anyone?   Rolling Eyes

Lala’s…JMO, but this is an open forum for discussion. You have a right, as do I to question any posts by any posters. If information is posted and it appears to be inconclusive or erroneous, I for one will question it. And it would be nice if our questions were answered and not left “out here” for threads and threads.

Recent discussion in the NAH has raised more questions for me on Vocking, Deutekom, Judge Witt and now Antonio Carlo. I will continue to ask my questions and try to get to the bottom of Ben Vocking and this includes Caps previous posts on the subject. As I stated yesterday, this could be important to the case. Especially, IMO, if what Caps has posted is correct. Without Caps addressing the questions directed at him in Shango 3 about this, I am left to go with the documentation that has been posted in the discussions, which is contrary to what Caps posted.

BBL…With more questions…LOL
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« Reply #1038 on: August 01, 2008, 09:24:57 AM »

I would love to have a sit down with Simian/Merian/Mono/Baboon.  If he truly had any info obtained by reliable sources then he should have gone to the FBI.  But then again, he knew that ALE was in control and his cousin could not be blamed for something he didn't do.  It was clear that Steve was being implicated and what is even stranger is he did it to himself.  Did Steve's uncle ask Simian to help him get the heat off Steve?  Was Steve so inept at speaking for himself that he actually was dumb enough to admit he was there on the beach knowing full well that he would be implicated in her disappearance? We all know he did this and it was perfectly fine that no explanation was ever given for being stupid.  I suppose you don't need one in that case. LOL

As soon as I found out who Simian was it all became clear. He was trying to clear his cousin.  He had either been told to do that or he took it upon himself to do it after hearing the talk within his family.  Either way, Simian pointed to a 5th suspect and Merian wanted Freddy looked at more closely.  Once Simian/Merian's identity was discovered he faded into oblivion.  His job was done. And so it remains to this day.

BTW does anyone know how to say "Solognier" ?  I would so appreciate a phonetic version of that name, please. TIA
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« Reply #1039 on: August 01, 2008, 10:43:54 AM »

My French background = 3 years in high school....

Solognier -- So lone yay (g is silent)  could also be sa lon yay (I'm forgetting the correct phonetics here)

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