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« Reply #1100 on: August 03, 2008, 03:26:03 PM »

Shango is calling Simian out for helping to keep DirtyHand hidden
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« Reply #1101 on: August 03, 2008, 03:26:51 PM »

and also dirty hand........bad luck for wampum many moons
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« Reply #1102 on: August 03, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »

Shango is calling Simian out for helping to keep DirtyHand hidden

Or...is Shango calling Simian out because Simian has begun to use more cryptic terms and Shango knows that Simian may or may not know anything other than what ALE allows him to know.  Therefore, enter Shango. 

Was Shango the doppleganger????
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« Reply #1103 on: August 03, 2008, 03:36:25 PM »

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Why would ALE want investigative details out there? Who could benefit from this?

"If YOU were asleep, who answered YOUR phone?"

What if those details were already out there per the Aruban media and the rest of the media just didn't know it yet?  It would not be a violation of protocol to say so, if it was well known on the island already, would it?
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« Reply #1104 on: August 03, 2008, 03:40:24 PM »


Agreed.  Next....

Shango posted directly to Simian, yet Simian would not respond.  Simian ad responded to most all other posts...but not to Shango's.

Then:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?


Shango let's Simian know that HE knows who that Babylonian is.  Shango later in the evening posts that Dirty Hand was one of the cards that was played...and lost.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Someone high up found out what Dirty Hand (Van Der Straaten, imo, had done.  That is why Shango believes that card is lost.)
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« Reply #1105 on: August 03, 2008, 03:41:50 PM »

TS2:

Why would ALE want investigative details out there? Who could benefit from this?

"If YOU were asleep, who answered YOUR phone?"

What if those details were already out there per the Aruban media and the rest of the media just didn't know it yet?  It would not be a violation of protocol to say so, if it was well known on the island already, would it?

Good point.  Simian may have only been parroting what he knew was already about to be reported.
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« Reply #1106 on: August 03, 2008, 03:43:45 PM »

Shango is calling Simian out for helping to keep DirtyHand hidden

Or...is Shango calling Simian out because Simian has begun to use more cryptic terms and Shango knows that Simian may or may not know anything other than what ALE allows him to know.  Therefore, enter Shango. 

Was Shango the doppleganger????

That is a possibility, of course. Shango's IP was from Florida and the dopplegangers were from other areas of the USA.  If this is true, then Shango was a fake the entire time.  He knew nothing except to continue his distraction.  Shango showed up as soon as Simian began to finger the 5th suspect. I think if Simian had revealed that person's identity we would not be here today. Shango could see Simian was placing blame on someone other than Joran and the Kalpoes.  He was trying to prevent it.  Having said this...if you think Paulus is the 5th suspect..then you should also know that one of the doppleganger IP's originated from an area that had pro Sloot people at the time here in the USA. Shango did not want to blame J2K either, but he certainly didn't want his family/relatives/ friend implicated either. Just in case they were railroaded by the authorities in Aruba. Something else to ponder along the way. 
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« Reply #1107 on: August 03, 2008, 03:45:15 PM »

TS2:

Why would ALE want investigative details out there? Who could benefit from this?

"If YOU were asleep, who answered YOUR phone?"

What if those details were already out there per the Aruban media and the rest of the media just didn't know it yet?  It would not be a violation of protocol to say so, if it was well known on the island already, would it?

Good point.  Simian may have only been parroting what he knew was already about to be reported.

I would say that is a very good possibility. Maybe at the 95% mark at this point. So that lends Simian less credibility in knowing anything of value. Does it not?
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« Reply #1108 on: August 03, 2008, 03:49:12 PM »


Agreed.  Next....

Shango posted directly to Simian, yet Simian would not respond.  Simian ad responded to most all other posts...but not to Shango's.

Then:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?


Shango let's Simian know that HE knows who that Babylonian is.  Shango later in the evening posts that Dirty Hand was one of the cards that was played...and lost.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Someone high up found out what Dirty Hand (Van Der Straaten, imo, had done.  That is why Shango believes that card is lost.)

Oh you are getting to the touchy part here...not very many of us can agree on who Dirty Hand is.  Without some agreement there can be no movement forward.  That has been one of the stumbling blocks to this whole thing.  If you go with Straten, then so many other theories are trampled on and that is when the war starts....keep talking. We may need to take each view one at a time and see what fits with Dirty Hand. Remember, Shango tells us that Dirty Hand was discovered.  Every time  I mention that fact it's glossed over for some reason.
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« Reply #1109 on: August 03, 2008, 03:50:59 PM »

If Simian makes his living on tourism in Aruba, then he could be as credible, but more likely to withold any details which would be damaging.......i.e. DirtyHand.......so, in the context posted earlier by somebody else:

quote:   "Shango=FBI playing cat and mouse with Mansur"

the scenerio makes alot of sense
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« Reply #1110 on: August 03, 2008, 03:55:50 PM »


That is a possibility, of course. Shango's IP was from Florida and the dopplegangers were from other areas of the USA.  If this is true, then Shango was a fake the entire time.  He knew nothing except to continue his distraction.  Shango showed up as soon as Simian began to finger the 5th suspect. I think if Simian had revealed that person's identity we would not be here today. Shango could see Simian was placing blame on someone other than Joran and the Kalpoes.  He was trying to prevent it.  Having said this...if you think Paulus is the 5th suspect..then you should also know that one of the doppleganger IP's originated from an area that had pro Sloot people at the time here in the USA. Shango did not want to blame J2K either, but he certainly didn't want his family/relatives/ friend implicated either. Just in case they were railroaded by the authorities in Aruba. Something else to ponder along the way. 

I had not thought of it that way.  I was looking at it as a possibility that Shango started impersonating Simian as a way to get into Simian's head.  To discredit him more than anything else.  It's just one of many thoughts I had about Shango.  haha

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« Reply #1111 on: August 03, 2008, 03:56:09 PM »

DirtyHand is not an arawak

The arawaks hold the singing cards
arawaks can't let babylonian card (DirtyHand=babylonian) sing
because hand holding it dirty too (polis=dirty hand)
(DirtyHand not polis)

Arawaks often play in the small houses of babylon with offspring of the elders (hands dirty)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes ($)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation (Babalu's officials corps)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

DirtyHand is the link (between pimps and Babalu's official corps)
He holds the real key (to the poison house)
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« Reply #1112 on: August 03, 2008, 03:57:32 PM »

I feel sure Simian makes his living on tourism and a few other ways too.  He can earn it playing his guitar of he can earn it working 9 to 5. Either way his umbilical is definitely close to the heart of Aruba. 
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« Reply #1113 on: August 03, 2008, 03:58:32 PM »

DirtyHands power is that he can break the alibi

"Are the children of the elders THERE (poison house?) or did they flee to babylon"

DirtyHand knows
this is his power
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« Reply #1114 on: August 03, 2008, 03:59:06 PM »

Perhaps DirtyHand knows the Simian
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« Reply #1115 on: August 03, 2008, 04:04:35 PM »

DirtyHand is not an arawak

The arawaks hold the singing cards
arawaks can't let babylonian card (DirtyHand=babylonian) sing
because hand holding it dirty too (polis=dirty hand)
(DirtyHand not polis)

Arawaks often play in the small houses of babylon with offspring of the elders (hands dirty)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes ($)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation (Babalu's officials corps)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

DirtyHand is the link (between pimps and Babalu's official corps)
He holds the real key (to the poison house)

Let's look at some of the theories of who is Dirty Hand:

van der Straten...yep he fits, he definitely left the island as was told. He was accused of calling Paulus on a regular basis in the early days.

Ben Vocking...he fits also, he was there at the house when they came to search it, he lived there at some point. He walked with Paulus.

Frans Duetekom...Caps insists that this is the guy that is dirty hand. He made a compelling argument.  My only caveat is that those he was talking to about dirty hand could not have been any posters outside of the Aruban culture because they would not know about this guy.  Would Shango being in Florida know this too? 

Rudy Croes...he would fit also and Tylergal believed it to him. She made a compelling argument also.  I think Rudy fits other characters in Shango, but that is just me.

There are others that would fit also, depending on the context of the post. Colombo feel free to jump in here and give us your ideas about who dirty hand is also.  I want to hear them all.
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« Reply #1116 on: August 03, 2008, 04:05:19 PM »


Oh you are getting to the touchy part here...not very many of us can agree on who Dirty Hand is.  Without some agreement there can be no movement forward.  That has been one of the stumbling blocks to this whole thing.  If you go with Straten, then so many other theories are trampled on and that is when the war starts....keep talking. We may need to take each view one at a time and see what fits with Dirty Hand. Remember, Shango tells us that Dirty Hand was discovered.  Every time  I mention that fact it's glossed over for some reason.

Yes, I know.  But here is are the posts that clinch it for me:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:26 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
Simian your Doppleganger is with us

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I dont understand, Shango.

Babalú on June 27th, 2005 11:10 pm
Hes talking about Dirty Hands identity, please refer to my post of yesterday 12:30 AM. He is JVDS, and not Joran.

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.
He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den
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« Reply #1117 on: August 03, 2008, 04:07:04 PM »

Shango is calling Simian out for helping to keep DirtyHand hidden

Or...is Shango calling Simian out because Simian has begun to use more cryptic terms and Shango knows that Simian may or may not know anything other than what ALE allows him to know.  Therefore, enter Shango. 

Was Shango the doppleganger????

That is a possibility, of course. Shango's IP was from Florida and the dopplegangers were from other areas of the USA.  If this is true, then Shango was a fake the entire time.  He knew nothing except to continue his distraction.  Shango showed up as soon as Simian began to finger the 5th suspect. I think if Simian had revealed that person's identity we would not be here today. Shango could see Simian was placing blame on someone other than Joran and the Kalpoes.  He was trying to prevent it.  Having said this...if you think Paulus is the 5th suspect..then you should also know that one of the doppleganger IP's originated from an area that had pro Sloot people at the time here in the USA. Shango did not want to blame J2K either, but he certainly didn't want his family/relatives/ friend implicated either. Just in case they were railroaded by the authorities in Aruba. Something else to ponder along the way. 


Simian mentions the 5th suspect and then also 'the father'......but note that there's no overlap card that was played (by PVDS)
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« Reply #1118 on: August 03, 2008, 04:08:05 PM »

DirtyHand is not an arawak

The arawaks hold the singing cards
arawaks can't let babylonian card (DirtyHand=babylonian) sing
because hand holding it dirty too (polis=dirty hand)
(DirtyHand not polis)

Arawaks often play in the small houses of babylon with offspring of the elders (hands dirty)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes ($)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation (Babalu's officials corps)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

DirtyHand is the link (between pimps and Babalu's official corps)
He holds the real key (to the poison house)

Let's look at some of the theories of who is Dirty Hand:

van der Straten...yep he fits, he definitely left the island as was told. He was accused of calling Paulus on a regular basis in the early days.

Ben Vocking...he fits also, he was there at the house when they came to search it, he lived there at some point. He walked with Paulus.

Frans Duetekom...Caps insists that this is the guy that is dirty hand. He made a compelling argument.  My only caveat is that those he was talking to about dirty hand could not have been any posters outside of the Aruban culture because they would not know about this guy.  Would Shango being in Florida know this too? 

Rudy Croes...he would fit also and Tylergal believed it to him. She made a compelling argument also.  I think Rudy fits other characters in Shango, but that is just me.

There are others that would fit also, depending on the context of the post. Colombo feel free to jump in here and give us your ideas about who dirty hand is also.  I want to hear them all.


you mention all arawaks......see first sentence
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« Reply #1119 on: August 03, 2008, 04:09:24 PM »

Perhaps DirtyHand knows the Simian

Perhaps Simian knows Dirty Hand personally. Doesn't Shango accuse Simian of participating in all this stuff later on in his posts? 

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?

Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
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