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« Reply #1180 on: August 04, 2008, 07:38:02 PM »

Truthseeker has me rereading the early posts of Simian again and I found something that Mum will find interesting...maybe...it kind of puts a kink in the "Paulus is the 5th" theory.  Just throwing it out there to show how confusing it all can be if you believe everything that was posted at that time.

It seems this poster nicknamed "blogger" was dropping hints just as Checkme and Simian were doing at the time.  He claimed to have a brother that worked in some capacity in LE that was similar to FBI.  Regardless, the posters were challenging him about his sources.

I have included only the posts relating to this particular person.  Checkme and Lucy were discussing Lorenzo off and on during this time also.  Steve Croes had been arrested that morning. 


#  blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:45 pm

ok - so you know I am not FOS, here is what I can tell you. There will be yet another arrest possibly by this evening if not by tomorrow, which is another individual who is freinds with Croes.

Of course, if I am right, I will see you all here tomorrow with whatever else I can find out and to ensure that Marshall will be eating squid!


eagle on June 17th, 2005 5:50 pm

blogger - i am still unconvinced. what will be the initials of Croes’s friends name?


blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:53 pm

Obviously I was not provided with that information - but dont you figure that if there is an arrest of someone affiliated with Croes in the next 24 hours that maybe I was enough on the mark to know something? Maybe - maybe not. You will have to trust me or not - your choice.


Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:55 pm

Blogger
If you are for real, I think you are taking the risk of compromising somebody’s job without their knowledge.

Also, if you are for real, this guy will probably be the guy with the flashy truck.


eagle on June 17th, 2005 5:56 pm

i want to trust you blogger but i need one more piece of info. does the next person arrested come from aruba or some other country - such as adicora venezuela?


blogger info on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Eagle - your answer is Aruba.

As to the compromising of someone’s job - the info I am getting and providing is not confidential or highly sensitive - just not being published. The info I shared is certainly not something that is part of any US led investigation - but that of Aruba’s. Simply relaying info learned from the Aruba govt sources. The wheels have already been in motion on the next arrest and probably wont be too much of a surprise for those in Aruba who have their ears to the ground on this case.


#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…
# Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:03 pm

the justices are having a hard time holding on to the suspects without a body…


Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:07 pm

Blogger,
Cool. So it’s out police giving the data… I feel better. Thanks.





http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/17/breaking-news-4th-person-arrested-in-natalee-holloway-case/#comments
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« Reply #1181 on: August 04, 2008, 08:25:01 PM »

Truthseeker has me rereading the early posts of Simian again and I found something that Mum will find interesting...maybe...it kind of puts a kink in the "Paulus is the 5th" theory.  Just throwing it out there to show how confusing it all can be if you believe everything that was posted at that time.

It seems this poster nicknamed "blogger" was dropping hints just as Checkme and Simian were doing at the time.  He claimed to have a brother that worked in some capacity in LE that was similar to FBI.  Regardless, the posters were challenging him about his sources.

I have included only the posts relating to this particular person.  Checkme and Lucy were discussing Lorenzo off and on during this time also.  Steve Croes had been arrested that morning. 


#  blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:45 pm

ok - so you know I am not FOS, here is what I can tell you. There will be yet another arrest possibly by this evening if not by tomorrow, which is another individual who is freinds with Croes.

Of course, if I am right, I will see you all here tomorrow with whatever else I can find out and to ensure that Marshall will be eating squid!


eagle on June 17th, 2005 5:50 pm

blogger - i am still unconvinced. what will be the initials of Croes’s friends name?


blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:53 pm

Obviously I was not provided with that information - but dont you figure that if there is an arrest of someone affiliated with Croes in the next 24 hours that maybe I was enough on the mark to know something? Maybe - maybe not. You will have to trust me or not - your choice.


Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:55 pm

Blogger
If you are for real, I think you are taking the risk of compromising somebody’s job without their knowledge.

Also, if you are for real, this guy will probably be the guy with the flashy truck.


eagle on June 17th, 2005 5:56 pm

i want to trust you blogger but i need one more piece of info. does the next person arrested come from aruba or some other country - such as adicora venezuela?


blogger info on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Eagle - your answer is Aruba.

As to the compromising of someone’s job - the info I am getting and providing is not confidential or highly sensitive - just not being published. The info I shared is certainly not something that is part of any US led investigation - but that of Aruba’s. Simply relaying info learned from the Aruba govt sources. The wheels have already been in motion on the next arrest and probably wont be too much of a surprise for those in Aruba who have their ears to the ground on this case.


#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…
# Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:03 pm

the justices are having a hard time holding on to the suspects without a body…


Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:07 pm

Blogger,
Cool. So it’s out police giving the data… I feel better. Thanks.





http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/17/breaking-news-4th-person-arrested-in-natalee-holloway-case/#comments


wasn't PVDS a suspect?
Wasn't DirtyHand kept hidden? Did Shango ever say DirtyHand was a suspect?
and the music man's song was not on the bill?
who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots?-then who else could it have played for? DirtyHand?
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« Reply #1182 on: August 04, 2008, 08:28:43 PM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket
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« Reply #1183 on: August 04, 2008, 08:47:29 PM »

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We will continue to debate the 5th suspect due to the fact that all the media in Aruba were talking about someone that we don't know.  Mum has documented this to be true.  They did not say Paulus. It was someone else.  Problem is, we can't nail down when it was.  Before or after Steve Croes' arrest.  Remember Simian was reporting things that were being said on Aruba at the time.  Not necessarily what the American media was hearing.  They spent their time playing catch up because the Aruban media was not enamored with them.  Also, it would be interesting to ask Jossy who the person was that was arrested around the same time as Steve Croes...actually he may have been asked that in relation to a Lorenzo comment.  I can't really remember any more.  Jossy always sidestepped the Lorenzo discussion other than to say it was rumored to be.....etc. etc. 

If Simian was talking about a literal boyfriend I do not think it was Paulus.  If Simian was using the term metaphorically or even sarcastically it could have been Paulus.  That would mean that Simian knew about the casino video footage as early as June.  Now where did he hear that tidbit of information?
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« Reply #1184 on: August 04, 2008, 08:48:36 PM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.
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« Reply #1185 on: August 04, 2008, 08:51:20 PM »

Colombo
We will continue to debate the 5th suspect due to the fact that all the media in Aruba were talking about someone that we don't know.  Mum has documented this to be true.  They did not say Paulus. It was someone else.  Problem is, we can't nail down when it was.  Before or after Steve Croes' arrest.  Remember Simian was reporting things that were being said on Aruba at the time.  Not necessarily what the American media was hearing.  They spent their time playing catch up because the Aruban media was not enamored with them.  Also, it would be interesting to ask Jossy who the person was that was arrested around the same time as Steve Croes...actually he may have been asked that in relation to a Lorenzo comment.  I can't really remember any more.  Jossy always sidestepped the Lorenzo discussion other than to say it was rumored to be.....etc. etc. 

If Simian was talking about a literal boyfriend I do not think it was Paulus.  If Simian was using the term metaphorically or even sarcastically it could have been Paulus.  That would mean that Simian knew about the casino video footage as early as June.  Now where did he hear that tidbit of information?


PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve, they have been played and lost
one's song was not on the bill
the other card has been kept hidden
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« Reply #1186 on: August 04, 2008, 08:54:23 PM »

Simian used the word boyfriend, Shango says something else

The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows
So does the elder

DirtyHand was not seeking pleasure for himself

If it did happen, and NH was not even concious-do you think that Simian would have posted? remember-he's hiding DirtyHand
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« Reply #1187 on: August 04, 2008, 09:42:51 PM »

Colombo
We will continue to debate the 5th suspect due to the fact that all the media in Aruba were talking about someone that we don't know.  Mum has documented this to be true.  They did not say Paulus. It was someone else.  Problem is, we can't nail down when it was.  Before or after Steve Croes' arrest.  Remember Simian was reporting things that were being said on Aruba at the time.  Not necessarily what the American media was hearing.  They spent their time playing catch up because the Aruban media was not enamored with them.  Also, it would be interesting to ask Jossy who the person was that was arrested around the same time as Steve Croes...actually he may have been asked that in relation to a Lorenzo comment.  I can't really remember any more.  Jossy always sidestepped the Lorenzo discussion other than to say it was rumored to be.....etc. etc. 

If Simian was talking about a literal boyfriend I do not think it was Paulus.  If Simian was using the term metaphorically or even sarcastically it could have been Paulus.  That would mean that Simian knew about the casino video footage as early as June.  Now where did he hear that tidbit of information?


I'll sit out the debate:

from an earlier post:
"On 6-23 MARIAINE CROES said "There is a reasonable suspicion that (Paulus van der Sloot) knows something and is involved in the disappearance." In a statement, Croes called Paulus van der Sloot the fifth suspect in the disappearance of NATALEE. "

CNN
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.
Posted Jun 23, 3:10 PM
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« Reply #1188 on: August 04, 2008, 09:44:00 PM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.


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« Reply #1189 on: August 04, 2008, 09:45:03 PM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.


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« Reply #1190 on: August 04, 2008, 10:02:41 PM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.


omg.......auditioning the singing card???!!!
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« Reply #1191 on: August 05, 2008, 07:00:32 AM »


Reply #1108 on: August 03, 2008, 02:49:12 PM Lala’s

Oh you are getting to the touchy part here...not very many of us can agree on who Dirty Hand is.  Without some agreement there can be no movement forward.  That has been one of the stumbling blocks to this whole thing.  If you go with Straten, then so many other theories are trampled on and that is when the war starts....keep talking. We may need to take each view one at a time and see what fits with Dirty Hand. Remember, Shango tells us that Dirty Hand was discovered.  Every time  I mention that fact it's glossed over for some reason.

Reply #1115 on: August 03, 2008, 03:04:35 PM Lala’s

Let's look at some of the theories of who is Dirty Hand:

van der Straten...yep he fits, he definitely left the island as was told. He was accused of calling Paulus on a regular basis in the early days.

Ben Vocking...he fits also, he was there at the house when they came to search it, he lived there at some point. He walked with Paulus.

Frans Duetekom...Caps insists that this is the guy that is dirty hand. He made a compelling argument.  My only caveat is that those he was talking to about dirty hand could not have been any posters outside of the Aruban culture because they would not know about this guy.  Would Shango being in Florida know this too? 

Rudy Croes...he would fit also and Tylergal believed it to him. She made a compelling argument also.  I think Rudy fits other characters in Shango, but that is just me.

There are others that would fit also, depending on the context of the post. Colombo feel free to jump in here and give us your ideas about who dirty hand is also.  I want to hear them all.

Reply #1116 on: August 03, 2008, 03:05:19 PM truthseeker2

Yes, I know.  But here is are the posts that clinch it for me:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his12:30 AM posting


Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting


Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his12:30 AM posting
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found


Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:26 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his12:30 AM posting Simian your Doppleganger is with us


Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his12:30 AM posting


Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive


Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12


drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?


Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.


Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post


drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer. I don’t understand, Shango.


Babalú on June 27th, 2005 11:10 pm
He’s talking about Dirty Hands identity, please refer to my post of yesterday 12:30 AM. He is JVDS, and not Joran.


Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.


Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56


watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29. He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


Reply #949 on: April 25, 2008, 02:59:29 PM » Rob

Caps there are 5 Dirty Hands
Dirty Hand
DirtyHand
Dirty hand
dirty hand
dirtyhand


Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12



Help! I am a little confused, as usual with Shango and his posts. Isn’t he saying here that DirtyHand and dirty hand are the same person? I like Rob always thought there was 5...now I am not so sure.
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« Reply #1192 on: August 05, 2008, 07:28:32 AM »


Oh you are getting to the touchy part here...not very many of us can agree on who Dirty Hand is.  Without some agreement there can be no movement forward.  That has been one of the stumbling blocks to this whole thing.  If you go with Straten, then so many other theories are trampled on and that is when the war starts....keep talking. We may need to take each view one at a time and see what fits with Dirty Hand. Remember, Shango tells us that Dirty Hand was discovered.  Every time  I mention that fact it's glossed over for some reason.

Yes, I know.  But here is are the posts that clinch it for me:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:26 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
Simian your Doppleganger is with us

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.

Babalú on June 27th, 2005 11:10 pm
He’s talking about Dirty Hands identity, please refer to my post of yesterday 12:30 AM. He is JVDS, and not Joran.

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.
He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


I agree.  But Shango never comes out and says "Yes, Dirty Hand is Straten."  He only says that Babalu opened a window.  That could easily mean "You are getting warmer Babalu."   There are too many others that will dispute the fact that Babalu was merely trying to guess what Shango meant.  If Babalu had indeed told us who Dirty Hand was, why did Shango later say:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous 



If babylon is the casinos, this could be Posner. His lawyer reported he returned to Aruba the day after Natalee disappeared, IIRC.

If babylon is Holland, the only ones I can think of are these:

Van der Straten…IIRC, Dave said he was going to Holland for medical reasons
Ben Vocking… reportedly went to Holland
Rudy Croes…Gabe Leo posted he was in Columbia for a wedding that weekend

Why did Shango keep interchanging lower and upper case? Upper case Great House –integrity of- sounds like a different place than lower case great house, which to me sounds like a casino??


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« Reply #1193 on: August 05, 2008, 07:41:24 AM »

Truth
There were several that left at a critical time.  We were just discussing that a few weeks ago in the main Natalee thread.  Mum will have those answers when she checks in.  She is a gold mine of reference for those like me.

I think even minor players left also...such as the bartender and Guido.  I agree that the person that Shango is talking about would have to be Straten.  He retired and went to wherever to continue his reign in law enforcement. There is just as much confirmation as there is contradiction here on this particular subject.  I won't argue with you, but there are many others that simply say it was not Straten.  It was Frans Deutekom.  I didn't know diddly about that guy until Caps arrived.  I think he said once that Deutekom was in the other car.  I know that there are many that are convinced that Ben Vocking fits this description because he left the island also. It is a matter of interpretation.  I will agree that Straten is confirmed by Shango for the time being.  Carry on, you are doing great.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.


Frans Deutekom???


Does he fit? Truthseeker thinks DirtyHand was discovered by the Hague.

He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He certainly remained anonymous...for a while at least. But where would babylon be in this post???



Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous
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« Reply #1194 on: August 05, 2008, 08:13:39 AM »

I know where you are coming from, Lala's.  And I agree.  Why would Simian blatantly ignore such direct confrontation from Shango?  He was quick to respond to others who disagreed, but not Shango.  My theory is that  Shango was "getting it right" and Simian was trying to get someone to "ping" him to find out who he was.  I'm not sure Simian could ping, but I think he was concerned about Shango.

I don't think Simian cared.  I think he already knew who Shango was. 

Maybe.  One thing for sure...he cared later on when the two di get into a verbal sparing match.

Can some-one point me to this, please. I am not sure if I am thinking of what is being referred to.  TIA

I am ready for that glossary from everyone now...
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« Reply #1195 on: August 05, 2008, 09:15:26 AM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.

Posnr. 

And the one who held him (in a different jail cell) was also dirty - a dirty cop.

Posnr magically disappeared when Natalee disappeared, and then a few weeks later reappeared. Where did he go? Anybody know? Any proof of wherever he went other than a lawyer saying so?  There was a big Texas hold'em going on inside HIS ca$ino - so he decides to leave all that behind? And go where?
 
I still say Posnr or a relative "skeered" is involved. Why is everybody looking outside of ca$inos when 75% of codetalkers mention gambling phrases?



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« Reply #1196 on: August 05, 2008, 09:20:45 AM »

when Lorenzo was arrested more recently......had pondered whether that had been his first time behind the wheel of the polis car.......the polis must have left the keys in their pants pocket

Considering his private meeting with the judge and his subsequent release with no consequences I wonder about a lot of things.


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IGNORE PREVIOUS POST- I SCREWED UP THE QUOTES - HERE'S WHAT I MEANT TO POST BUT IT GOT TANGLED UP IN LALA'S QUOTES BY MISTAKE (SORRY) :

Posnr. 

And the one who held him (in a different jail cell) was also dirty - a dirty cop.

Posnr magically disappeared when Natalee disappeared, and then a few weeks later reappeared. Where did he go? Anybody know? Any proof of wherever he went other than a lawyer saying so?  There was a big Texas hold'em going on inside HIS ca$ino - so he decides to leave all that behind? And go where?
 
I still say Posnr or a relative "skeered" is involved. Why is everybody looking outside of ca$inos when 75% of codetalkers mention gambling phrases?

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« Reply #1197 on: August 05, 2008, 09:31:13 AM »

Posnr was throwing the party - the Texas Hold'em party - in his (ca$ino) 'house'. He was the host. How could he have left? The party goers (gamblers) say he was with them....he was the host!

They were in the ca$inos drinking for free all week. There are witnesses. There's security footage.

The b'friend from earlier in the week. Does Posnr have a son Natalees age?

Those 'across the pond' (that fled?) know more than they are saying (cuz they were working that night inside the ca$inos?)

(sorry if I misquoted the codetalker prose - I haven't had my cup a java yet this morning ) 
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« Reply #1198 on: August 05, 2008, 10:18:59 AM »

Poochy…Posner’s son was 45 in 2005…This is how Posner “legally” managed to own a Casino.  Jossy must have known this before he did his article on Posner.

I can’t make everything “fit” with the casinos. Lol…I can’t make anything fit…

Not sure what you are referring to by 75% of Codetalkers.  Could you elaborate please?  TIA

EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 230, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 19 JUNE 1998
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
POSNER, WALTER BRETT;
Residing in 9 BANOCKBURN COURT , BANOCKBURN III, U.S.A.
Born in U.S.A., CHICAGO, ILLINOIS on 21 MAY 1960
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 23 OCTOBER 1998
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
TO OPERATE A CASINO AT THE "HOLIDAY IN RESORT".


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« Reply #1199 on: August 05, 2008, 11:00:10 AM »

Poochy…Posner’s son was 45 in 2005…This is how Posner “legally” managed to own a Casino.  Jossy must have known this before he did his article on Posner.

I can’t make everything “fit” with the casinos. Lol…I can’t make anything fit…

Not sure what you are referring to by 75% of Codetalkers.  Could you elaborate please?  TIA

EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 230, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 19 JUNE 1998
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
POSNER, WALTER BRETT;
Residing in 9 BANOCKBURN COURT , BANOCKBURN III, U.S.A.
Born in U.S.A., CHICAGO, ILLINOIS on 21 MAY 1960
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 23 OCTOBER 1998
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
TO OPERATE A CASINO AT THE "HOLIDAY IN RESORT".


So Posnr has a son age 45. The son age 45 could easily have a son age 17-25. Interesting.
 
PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve, they have been played and lost:

#1) one's song was not on the bill = THIS WAS STEVE CROES THE SINGING CARD.
#2) the other card has been kept hidden = THIS WAS THE BABYLONIAN CARD HELD BY 'HAND HOLDING IT IS DIRTY TOO'.

...SO IS THERE A 3RD PERSON=DirtyHand besides the 2 above? Is #2 above a witness held for his own protection and is the '5th' - the bfriend from earlier in the week?

Or is #2 DirtyHand? (this is all so confusing) 

(MUM - 75% of the prose that is - mainly referencing casinos=via terms like gambling, cards, deck, hands, win, lost, cards up sleeve, etc. )
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