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« Reply #1220 on: August 05, 2008, 05:24:58 PM »

DirtyHand walked in this house of babylon
he holds the real key (to the house)

where the arawaks meet the childern of the elders to play (the game) in the maze
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« Reply #1221 on: August 05, 2008, 05:28:51 PM »

PVDS=#5

Now, show me where Natalee would be interested in Paulus as a boyfriend.  Please.  Tell me when he had time to host a party?  Tell me who "the others" were. Thanks.

The news media kept saying Steve Croes was the 5th suspect and then changed it to 4th.  The posters on Aruba at that time were whispering about another person that was unnamed.

I feel certain that Mum will debate your ideas on Paulus being the 5th.  I still think Lorenzo was there somewhere, because he was the first person of interest talked about on the internet when everyone else could not get any info.

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« Reply #1222 on: August 05, 2008, 06:17:11 PM »

PVDS=#5

Now, show me where Natalee would be interested in Paulus as a boyfriend.  Please.  Tell me when he had time to host a party?  Tell me who "the others" were. Thanks.

The news media kept saying Steve Croes was the 5th suspect and then changed it to 4th.  The posters on Aruba at that time were whispering about another person that was unnamed.

I feel certain that Mum will debate your ideas on Paulus being the 5th.  I still think Lorenzo was there somewhere, because he was the first person of interest talked about on the internet when everyone else could not get any info.




the boyfriend from earlier in the week-but whose? can you say whose? can you say whether or not the person was conscious?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.



from an earlier post:
"On 6-23 MARIAINE CROES said "There is a reasonable suspicion that (Paulus van der Sloot) knows something and is involved in the disappearance." In a statement, Croes called Paulus van der Sloot the fifth suspect in the disappearance of NATALEE. "

CNN
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.
Posted Jun 23, 3:10 PM


these don't say detained, arrested, or questioned....they say suspect
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« Reply #1223 on: August 05, 2008, 06:18:06 PM »

PVDS=#5

Now, show me where Natalee would be interested in Paulus as a boyfriend.  Please.  Tell me when he had time to host a party?  Tell me who "the others" were. Thanks.

The news media kept saying Steve Croes was the 5th suspect and then changed it to 4th.  The posters on Aruba at that time were whispering about another person that was unnamed.

I feel certain that Mum will debate your ideas on Paulus being the 5th.  I still think Lorenzo was there somewhere, because he was the first person of interest talked about on the internet when everyone else could not get any info.




who is DirtyHand?
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« Reply #1224 on: August 05, 2008, 06:23:14 PM »

PVDS=#5

Now, show me where Natalee would be interested in Paulus as a boyfriend.  Please.  Tell me when he had time to host a party?  Tell me who "the others" were. Thanks.

The news media kept saying Steve Croes was the 5th suspect and then changed it to 4th.  The posters on Aruba at that time were whispering about another person that was unnamed.

I feel certain that Mum will debate your ideas on Paulus being the 5th.  I still think Lorenzo was there somewhere, because he was the first person of interest talked about on the internet when everyone else could not get any info.





almost like he was "kept hidden"

come to think of it, when Beth let his name slip out on Greta there were grumblings from Aruba......teepees swaying
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« Reply #1225 on: August 05, 2008, 06:27:12 PM »

so PVDS played two cards, one's song was not on the bill......other was kept hidden
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« Reply #1226 on: August 05, 2008, 07:47:28 PM »

so PVDS played two cards, one's song was not on the bill......other was kept hidden

I would think Steve Croes would be the one not on the bill instead of the hidden card.  I have forgotten more than I knew about this stuff.
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« Reply #1227 on: August 05, 2008, 09:32:28 PM »

PVDS=#5

PVDS = #5 based on news we heard.

There could be another #5 we don't know about, making Paulus #6...

Maybe Lorenzo was the babylonian card that was played. and HE knows who the real DirtyHand is - who was discovered, and had to go back to Babylon anonymously.
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« Reply #1228 on: August 05, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »

Remember that there was an organized cover-up to mis-lead and mis-direct on the blogs, therefore you must realize that some things were placed/said in order to send ya on a wild goose-chase.

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« Reply #1229 on: August 05, 2008, 09:35:18 PM »

While Shango is composing this post:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun


Simian provides this defense of the system:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.



Shango responds with:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire


No one has posted as Simian during this time.  We have often thought Shango's reference to Dopple (short for doppleganger) meant someone else posting as Simian.  But...the actual definition is a ghostly double or counterpart of a living person.  I believe Shango was referring to whoever it was that was telling Simian what to say.

Simian does not post again until 9:27 pm.  For over five hours Shango holds the attention of audience for the early evening hours.  Could Simian be in a "strategy session" during this time?

When Simian does return he resumes posting with this:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.


Shango counters with this:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl


Shango posts a few more times and then Simian comes back with:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.


Then Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….


I believe these two were posting to each other in this sequence.  I know some have wondered what this last post from Shango meant.  The idea of porn videos has been discussed.  Given this possible exchange between Simian and Shango I believe this may have more to do with the casino security tapes.  Paulus had to come clean?  She spent her nights at their table?  Simian is holding a carrot on a stick.  Is Shango telling Simian that he knows what Simian is talking about?  Simian would not be able to say what the evidence was and Shango is letting him know that he knows what it is?
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« Reply #1230 on: August 05, 2008, 09:35:40 PM »

so PVDS played two cards, one's song was not on the bill......other was kept hidden

I would think Steve Croes would be the one not on the bill instead of the hidden card.  I have forgotten more than I knew about this stuff.

I agree - SCroes is the 'music man' and his song was not on the bill. That means that all the other 'songs' were on the bill. Who's bill would that be? Who else plays the orchestra?

Hidden card is just that - hidden!
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« Reply #1231 on: August 05, 2008, 09:54:08 PM »

PVDS=#5

PVDS = #5 based on news we heard.

There could be another #5 we don't know about, making Paulus #6...

Maybe Lorenzo was the babylonian card that was played. and HE knows who the real DirtyHand is - who was discovered, and had to go back to Babylon anonymously.


why can't he be DirtyHand?

dirty hand=Arawaks go to small houses of babylon to play (the "game") with offspring of the elders

Shango said his power is that he can break the alibi.......and that his testimony jeopardizes many arawak marriages
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« Reply #1232 on: August 05, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »

If Dirty Hand is not an Arawak or a child of Babylon...then what is he?  Where does Paulus fit?  As usual we have no definitive idea who or what is an Arawak or what is Babylon.  Without settling on a definition and agreeing on said definition of both Arawak and Babylonian/Babylon we can not move past this point.  They led us all on a wild goose chase.  That was the purpose of Simian. He had to get the heat of his cousin, Steve Croes.  He had to lead us past the 4th person, since that was Steve.  It was the only way to get the posters to stop talking about him.
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« Reply #1233 on: August 06, 2008, 12:02:45 AM »


I've hesitated to post this for the longest time
but cousins are currently under discussion, so:

part of the reason finbar drifted away
was disappointment that his research
re AG = simian was disregarded ...
even after he posted her geneaology links
which she herself had made public long ago

fin came to his conclusion re AG 2 years ago
w/o even considering the geneaology angle at that time

his more recent research into the family tree
appeared to show that AG/SGC = cousins ...
sharing a grandmother IIRC

he researched the links and found many familiar names:
Solognier/Solagnier
Oduber
Maduro
Lampe
and a Carlos Guillermo Bareno (et tu, Guillermo?)

fin shared some of this w/ one other poster here AFAIK

he posted the name Solognier/Solagnier
hoping that others here would use the links
and come to the same result he had found

but the tide of research turned toward this Armin (sp?) guy
and away from AG

there was one final name fin ran into ...
one of the most prominent names in this case ...
which I cannot post w/o violating his trust

perhaps fin will return someday
and take up the cause again

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« Reply #1234 on: August 06, 2008, 12:34:05 AM »

PVDS=#5

PVDS = #5 based on news we heard.

There could be another #5 we don't know about, making Paulus #6...

Maybe Lorenzo was the babylonian card that was played. and HE knows who the real DirtyHand is - who was discovered, and had to go back to Babylon anonymously.


why can't he be DirtyHand?

dirty hand=Arawaks go to small houses of babylon to play (the "game") with offspring of the elders

Shango said his power is that he can break the alibi.......and that his testimony jeopardizes many arawak marriages

Arawaks are scared of Dirty Hand. Babylon is scared of Dirty Hand. Paulus? Deutekom? I highly doubt it.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat. Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden. Babylon scared of DirtyHand. Arawaks scared of DirtyHand. If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy. If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house
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« Reply #1235 on: August 06, 2008, 12:45:14 AM »

If Dirty Hand is not an Arawak or a child of Babylon...then what is he?  Where does Paulus fit?  As usual we have no definitive idea who or what is an Arawak or what is Babylon.  Without settling on a definition and agreeing on said definition of both Arawak and Babylonian/Babylon we can not move past this point.  They led us all on a wild goose chase.  That was the purpose of Simian. He had to get the heat of his cousin, Steve Croes.  He had to lead us past the 4th person, since that was Steve.  It was the only way to get the posters to stop talking about him.
In my opinion, Paulus is just the father of a big fat liar. And a scared one at that. He's a harmless, nervous, sweaty wreck. Who in their right mind would be 'scared' of him enough to flee Aruba? C'mon now. That is ludicrous. 

Somebody scared the bejeebers out of those gamblers that fled Aruba. Watch who shows up to post whenever I mention this - I've posted this sentence so many times already I enjoy watching who flocks to the boards to insist Paulus is someone to be skeered of. Geesh already. A fallen Judge - with a son nobody would be proud of.

If you take the entire German population of men over 40, with the way their hairline recedes, and stick a pair of glasses on them, they would look exactly like the guy who everybody thinks is Paulus at the black jack table. The guy even looks like one of the Netherland 'Princes' we've also mentioned on this thread.

Paulus? Na, not afraid of him. He can sing any song... But a mob owning Ca$ino owner? Yeah, I'd be afraid of him if I were a Sloot. A gun weilding drug lord on Aruba to launder some drug $? Yeah, I'd be afraid of him too.
 
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« Reply #1236 on: August 06, 2008, 07:06:08 AM »


I've hesitated to post this for the longest time
but cousins are currently under discussion, so:

part of the reason finbar drifted away
was disappointment that his research
re AG = simian was disregarded ...
even after he posted her geneaology links
which she herself had made public long ago

fin came to his conclusion re AG 2 years ago
w/o even considering the geneaology angle at that time

his more recent research into the family tree
appeared to show that AG/SGC = cousins ...
sharing a grandmother IIRC

he researched the links and found many familiar names:
Solognier/Solagnier
Oduber
Maduro
Lampe
and a Carlos Guillermo Bareno (et tu, Guillermo?)

fin shared some of this w/ one other poster here AFAIK

he posted the name Solognier/Solagnier
hoping that others here would use the links
and come to the same result he had found

but the tide of research turned toward this Armin (sp?) guy
and away from AG

there was one final name fin ran into ...
one of the most prominent names in this case ...
which I cannot post w/o violating his trust

perhaps fin will return someday
and take up the cause again




 Finbar’s posts…and the last one I quoted…Some interesting names on Finbar's list...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3806;sa=showPosts


Reply #533 on: April 22, 2008, 12:17:33 AM »

Many vowels are placed upon my lips that never crossed.

I said, 'shake the tree and see who falls out. It may lead to the fifth.

Besides, I never laid claim that the Crows monkey would fall from it(but it might too). Maybe another related monkey.

Shake this...
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/v/r/i/Georgina-F-Vrieswijk/index.html

Many Crows in that tree. AG. Maduro, Solagnier, de Wit, Arends, Dijkhoff, Eman, Gomez, Kelly, Koch, LACLE, Lampe, Tromp, ODUBER, and my fave...







VAN DER SLOOT.


Maybe the O name was dropped in confidence, but the last was not, I bet.

Maybe exposing personal and sensitive insurance search results leaves some in a dilemma of legalities. Not to mention what might fall from the family tree.

Small island. Closed community. Many inter-related.

Ever ponder the phrase, "Steve Croes will not be sacrificed"? Wonder why not?

The odds that they are not related is slim. No one on the planet can be more than a 52nd cousin, to another.

Most likely first or second cousins at the most.

On an island of 70,000 that is largely closed for a large period of time leaves - cousins.

Ok, now you are going to tell me that Sloot is a common name? LOL.

This group is a bunch of ANGELS! TEAM work like this will bring forth many answers.

We need a name. That's it! The ANGEL TEAM!


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« Reply #1237 on: August 06, 2008, 07:35:49 AM »

PVDS=#5

PVDS = #5 based on news we heard.

There could be another #5 we don't know about, making Paulus #6...

Maybe Lorenzo was the babylonian card that was played. and HE knows who the real DirtyHand is - who was discovered, and had to go back to Babylon anonymously.


why can't he be DirtyHand?

dirty hand=Arawaks go to small houses of babylon to play (the "game") with offspring of the elders

Shango said his power is that he can break the alibi.......and that his testimony jeopardizes many arawak marriages

My path to Lorenzo van Gijn/Rijn...


From Kermit…
The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000


Reply #566 on: March 08, 2008, 10:35:52 PM » Caps

Lawyers should never ask a Nederlands grandma a question if they aren't prepared for the answer.

In a trial, Jorg the prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grandmotherly, elderly woman to the stand. He approached her and asked, 'Mrs. Anita, do you know me?' She responded, 'Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Jorg. I've known you since you we re a boy, and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you'll never amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you.'

The the lawyer was stunned. Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, 'Mrs. Anita, do you know the defense attorney?'

She again replied, 'Why yes, I do. I've known Mr. Sloot since he was a
youngster, too. He's lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem. He can't build a normal relationship with anyone, and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire Amsterdam Area. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women. One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him.'

The defense attorney nearly died.

The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said, 'If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I'll send you both to the electric chair.'

Shango says Guess who the Judge is

LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.msg363061#msg363061


Reply #793 on: March 09, 2008, 05:18:32 PM Finbar

Mr. L. van Gijin (August 1st 2000)

CAPS, is the above lawyer story true?


Fin

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.780

Reply #1205 on: April 05, 2008, 10:17:07 AM » Mum

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SS – In response to your post yesterday on Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Geijn…see post 1610 on the first link…americaninaruba called him Geijn, Jossy called him Gijn all the others papers called him Rijn and we have Dutch owned apartments by van Dijk who Caps think is related to Paulus or Anita. Then we have a judge in Curacao called mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000, page 8 of this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371192#msg371192


Reply #3058 on: March 04, 2008, 04:23:26 AM » Mum   
 
"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mr. J.S. Kuiperdal ...deceased...info in the thread somewhere...judge in the security guards cases.

The justices on the Curacao bench

From  previous posts back on page 74...coincidence???

mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000

Judge sorry the translated page didn't copy
Rechter Leo van Gijn wilde vooral van de bewindsman en het Departement van Luchtvaart horen waarom het eerste artikel van de verleende vergunning alle ruimte biedt aan de luchtvaartmaatschappij

Reply #1468 on: January 29, 2008, 01:53:32 PM »   Reply with quote
 
I knew I'd seen it...Jossy used Gijn...the other paper used Rijn...From what I've seen the Gijn family is influential and has a history in The Netherlands...

#471 on: June 21, 2007, 11:39:26 AM » Quote 

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/


Quote
Cas yena cu camara, yen di cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
LORENZO VAN GIJN DETENI PA PLANTACION GRANDI
DI MARIHUANA NA SAVANETA


ORANJESTAD(AAN):Lorenzo van Gijn no ta un desconoci di polis. Den e bishitanan cu e Team Bijzondere Projecten a haci na diferente lugar, su cas no tabata un excepcion.

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« Reply #1238 on: August 06, 2008, 07:55:04 AM »


I've hesitated to post this for the longest time
but cousins are currently under discussion, so:

part of the reason finbar drifted away
was disappointment that his research
re AG = simian was disregarded ...
even after he posted her geneaology links
which she herself had made public long ago

fin came to his conclusion re AG 2 years ago
w/o even considering the geneaology angle at that time

his more recent research into the family tree
appeared to show that AG/SGC = cousins ...
sharing a grandmother IIRC

he researched the links and found many familiar names:
Solognier/Solagnier
Oduber
Maduro
Lampe
and a Carlos Guillermo Bareno (et tu, Guillermo?)

fin shared some of this w/ one other poster here AFAIK

he posted the name Solognier/Solagnier
hoping that others here would use the links
and come to the same result he had found

but the tide of research turned toward this Armin (sp?) guy
and away from AG

there was one final name fin ran into ...
one of the most prominent names in this case ...
which I cannot post w/o violating his trust

perhaps fin will return someday
and take up the cause again




Finngirl…I wish Finbar would come back and discuss the Simian/Ag connection.

I followed vms’ path to Armin and when I needed further explanation she explained. I went to RWV as she said and there it was. From vms’ posts and research I am positive Armin is Simian/Merian. Discussion begins on page 23 of thread 3.

Reply #539 on: April 22, 2008, 08:03:44 AM vms

Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.   



If you go here and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.520


You can no longer click on the name and get the email addy, but when this was posted you could. If something was overlooked…I would gladly reconsider....
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« Reply #1239 on: August 06, 2008, 08:30:13 AM »

Remember that there was an organized cover-up to mis-lead and mis-direct on the blogs, therefore you must realize that some things were placed/said in order to send ya on a wild goose-chase.



Hi Kermit…Nice to see you…My thoughts on this…And I am still deciding on a path.

1…There never was a 5th. Suspect…He was created to take us away from Joran. All misinformation from Simian/Merian.

2…Freddy is the 5th. Suspect…But the 5th. is really not Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis?  My choices…

A…GVC…His father walked in all houses and they left Aruba immediately after his arrest. The family hails from Breda…Orange regal visage area. GVC had his own pillows in jail. Known contact with Natalee. Reported phone call on June 9th and his strange reaction. His father threaten to sue ALE around May 9th. Reported 2nd arrest when Guido was arrested a couple of weeks later never happened.

Now my controversial, out of the box one…

B…David Fisiitalia...ISA friend of Joran.  American, mother worked for US Customs. Appears to no longer be on Aruba. David is now a PO Box in Miami. Joran comes out and names this kid in his book. Why? Because Joran is arrogant or it is his trump card. Both Joran and Paulus make reference to the FBI in their PVs. Multiple posts about the FBI being on the case from day 1. Deepak’s “FBI protected witness”. This would also explain Simian’s about face. And some thoughts that Shango had ties to the FBI.

As I said...still deciding a path, but this is where I am at right now...subject to change...
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