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« Reply #1240 on: August 06, 2008, 08:38:55 AM »

While Shango is composing this post:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun


Simian provides this defense of the system:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.



Shango responds with:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire


No one has posted as Simian during this time.  We have often thought Shango's reference to Dopple (short for doppleganger) meant someone else posting as Simian.  But...the actual definition is a ghostly double or counterpart of a living person.  I believe Shango was referring to whoever it was that was telling Simian what to say.

Simian does not post again until 9:27 pm.  For over five hours Shango holds the attention of audience for the early evening hours.  Could Simian be in a "strategy session" during this time?

When Simian does return he resumes posting with this:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.


Shango counters with this:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl


Shango posts a few more times and then Simian comes back with:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.


Then Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….


I believe these two were posting to each other in this sequence.  I know some have wondered what this last post from Shango meant.  The idea of porn videos has been discussed.  Given this possible exchange between Simian and Shango I believe this may have more to do with the casino security tapes.  Paulus had to come clean?  She spent her nights at their table?  Simian is holding a carrot on a stick.  Is Shango telling Simian that he knows what Simian is talking about?  Simian would not be able to say what the evidence was and Shango is letting him know that he knows what it is?


The Security tapes...GVC's Daddy was in charge of the Holiday Inn's.  Conflicting reports. He was and he wasn't. It was also posted that the senior van Cromvoirt was also questioned. Posner was angry that some footage was released to ABC. Surely this wasn't one of his employees? If it was GVC's Daddy, what purpose did it serve?
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« Reply #1241 on: August 06, 2008, 09:07:05 AM »


Finngirl…I am still undecided on ag…one sticking point is van der Straten’s son from your “Remember/Forget” thread.

On June 6th. FP posts…according to many Arubans, Natalee was a wild run away. And then this…Similar posts followed…

John on June 7th, 2005 3:15 pm
I want to reply to all the messages that are too negative for Aruba. American Girls go to Aruba, because they see Aruba as a Spring Break Paradise. All the women are feeling attracted to the Arubian men. The American woman are really hot and will have allot of sex when they are on vacation. Nobody has seen Nathalee being forced to enter with those boys in the car. I think she’s having a big problem home with her family, and want to get a away. In her last year book she wrote something about discorvering the world. Maybe she too a boat to Venezuela. I hope it’s so and if it’s so, THE ARUBIAN POPULATION expect an official sorry from the news and the US. Or can it be that the Stepmother, Mother, Stepfather. Father are playing with the evidence to cash an Insurance check? Come on, they didn’t put a higher reward than the 10.000 Dollars? The family thinks that money can buy something, they are playing with the press and the name of Aruba. But the famiy should know that MONEY CAN’T BUY LOVE!


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« Reply #1242 on: August 06, 2008, 09:25:54 AM »


I've hesitated to post this for the longest time
but cousins are currently under discussion, so:

part of the reason finbar drifted away
was disappointment that his research
re AG = simian was disregarded ...
even after he posted her geneaology links
which she herself had made public long ago

fin came to his conclusion re AG 2 years ago
w/o even considering the geneaology angle at that time

his more recent research into the family tree
appeared to show that AG/SGC = cousins ...
sharing a grandmother IIRC

he researched the links and found many familiar names:
Solognier/Solagnier
Oduber
Maduro
Lampe
and a Carlos Guillermo Bareno (et tu, Guillermo?)

fin shared some of this w/ one other poster here AFAIK

he posted the name Solognier/Solagnier
hoping that others here would use the links
and come to the same result he had found

but the tide of research turned toward this Armin (sp?) guy
and away from AG

there was one final name fin ran into ...
one of the most prominent names in this case ...
which I cannot post w/o violating his trust

perhaps fin will return someday
and take up the cause again



You should tell Fin that his research was NOT disregarded at all.  It only seemed that way.  It was used to verify info on Armin.  I have looked at his genealogy of the Croes family by using his work quite often.  In fact, Fin led me to a significant fact that got me back in contact with AG again...so tell Fin all was not in vain there.

After Armin was discovered to be our Simian/Merian poster several of us tracked his relatives by using Fin's work to prove he was indeed related to Steve Croes. I didn't do all the work on this so I have to stop at that because all I did was get in touch with AG and ask about her age and how it related to her taking a tour of KIA at the time.  It would have made her only 11 years old and she was too young, but she told me who was old enough and who was related.  She did not lie to me, because I could use Fin's work to check it out.  She even told me that yes, they share grandmothers and that she never had dealings with that side of the family except through her grandmother.  I have gotten to know her much better since and I see where her loyalty is and why she was so upset with everyone.  I am not saying that I totally trust her answers but after talking to her and knowing who Simian really is and knowing the email address of Simian in relation to the IP addresses I can say with certainty that AG was not Simian.  She was however another poster, but I was not given permission to reveal that name and I won't betray that trust.
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« Reply #1243 on: August 06, 2008, 09:37:24 AM »

I should also add that I would not say this if I were not sure of what I speak.  Armin was supposed to distract everyone away from Checkme's information.  That was the original reason he showed up.  His cousin, Steve Croes, was about to be roasted in this case because he was dumb enough or paid enough to insert himself into this mess.  Simian's was just dropping in to check on what was being said...you can see that by his first statements.   He was commenting on what the conversation  was talking place at the time.

He did not jump out and become cryptic until it appeared that everyone was ready to hang Steve Croes.  That is when he really began to get upset.  Notice his posting times and the days of the week. Think about where he works and his weekend job too.  You can see the pattern.  But then again, what do I know?  I could be completely wrong here, but I have done my homework...doesn't mean I will make an "A".

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« Reply #1244 on: August 06, 2008, 10:38:26 AM »

Uh oh!  Alone again. 
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« Reply #1245 on: August 06, 2008, 11:28:03 AM »

There is a Josh(ua) Posner listed as :

Owner at Aruba Aloe
Director of E-Commerce at Aruba Aloe

He attended The College of Wooster and graduated in 2006.  Just about Natalee's age.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/a96/390

Seems he was also interested in magic.

http://www.wooster.edu/voice/20020920/features_magic.html



Hear Josh "read" his report on Aloe Vera:

http://jbreitenbuch.wooster.edu/~jonb/itredo/files/biology_of_tropics_npr/Josh_Posner.mp3




Joran's 9/6 PV:

"In the Sportsbar I also saw two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaitances, told them I was doing fine as well and that I would go to CnC's that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I frequently meet them at CnC's. The last name of Luis is "Betancourt". I don't know the last name of Joshua. Luis Betancourt is Venezualian and according to me Joshua is Colombian, but I'm not sure about that."

So Joran has no clue what Joshua's last name is? Or what Nationality he is?

Highly doubt it.

Satish's PV states Deepak met a boy "I don't know his name"...

IMHO they are all protecting this witness. Joran and his big mouth gave the first name only. JOSHUA. Deepak and Satish were "somewhat" smart enough to not mention the name at all.
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« Reply #1246 on: August 06, 2008, 11:30:07 AM »

Uh oh!  Alone again. 

Mornin' Lala'sMom ! 
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« Reply #1247 on: August 06, 2008, 11:44:51 AM »

Hi Poochy!
Yes, Joran has a hard time remembering certain details. LOL  He must get that from Daddy-O.

So what is the significance of this Joshua guy?  Tell me what you think it means?
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« Reply #1248 on: August 06, 2008, 12:16:00 PM »


I've hesitated to post this for the longest time
but cousins are currently under discussion, so:

part of the reason finbar drifted away
was disappointment that his research
re AG = simian was disregarded ...
even after he posted her geneaology links
which she herself had made public long ago

fin came to his conclusion re AG 2 years ago
w/o even considering the geneaology angle at that time

his more recent research into the family tree
appeared to show that AG/SGC = cousins ...
sharing a grandmother IIRC

he researched the links and found many familiar names:
Solognier/Solagnier
Oduber
Maduro
Lampe
and a Carlos Guillermo Bareno (et tu, Guillermo?)

fin shared some of this w/ one other poster here AFAIK

he posted the name Solognier/Solagnier
hoping that others here would use the links
and come to the same result he had found

but the tide of research turned toward this Armin (sp?) guy
and away from AG

there was one final name fin ran into ...
one of the most prominent names in this case ...
which I cannot post w/o violating his trust

perhaps fin will return someday
and take up the cause again



I missed many of the discussions about AG = simian during that time.  Any info you have on this that you can post, I would love to see.

Sorry finbar left.  We need all the brain power we can get if we are going to juice up these discussions again.
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« Reply #1249 on: August 06, 2008, 12:37:45 PM »

Hi Poochy!
Yes, Joran has a hard time remembering certain details. LOL  He must get that from Daddy-O.

So what is the significance of this Joshua guy?  Tell me what you think it means?

Out of the horses mouth, Joran states that before he went to C&C that fateful night he ran into Joshua at the HI sports bar. There he tells Joshua he's going to C&C and some of the girls are going also. Joran says Joshua frequents C&C. The fact that Joshua was hanging around the sports bar, imho, means he must have run into the MBers on several occasions. Joshua would be young and rich enough to afford buying a nice piece of jewlery...So is this Joshua Posnr who was hanging out at grandpa's sports bar? If so, he'd know all the gamblers including Guido et al. Or is this another Joshua? Dunno.

In Satish's 05/31/2005 WITNESS Statement he says they (he, deepak, Joran) hung out all night together in C&C. In other statements Satish is asked several times if only the three of them left C&C (Satish, Joran, Natalee) to which he replied 'yes', only the 3 of us left. That implies to me Deepak was not with them when they 'left' - so why not? They arrive less than 30 min before closing and he is bored? Deepak says he was looking around for them, went to the rest room, then left and was waiting by his car because Satish had the keys. Why did Satish have the keys? Did Deepak give them to him as he grabbed a ride home with someone else? Deepak took another leak on the side of the road. All this sounds to me that Deepak was trying to make an alibi for wherever he was - it was clearly not inside C&C.

In Satish's 06/11/2005  statement he says " I saw that my brother was talking to a boy. The boy with whom my brother was talking I know by face only, I do not know his name. I had seen him in Carlos & Charlies before....My brother stayed behind because he was talking to this boy.

STAYED BEHIND -BEHIND WHERE? I THOUGHT DEEPAK WAS OUT BY HIS CAR WAITING FOR THE 3 TO ARRIVE... ??? (I'll save this for another discussion)

More from Satish 06/11/05 statement: "...According to me I [Satish] had stood alone for a while. "...Joran came over to me with the girl and told me that the bar had closed...We, Joran, the girl and myself, had walked over to another bar where we had earlier bought the Yard's. I had not seen my brother anymore. I saw that Joran and the girl were about to drink a shot. At that point I received a "missed call". I did not hear the phone but felt that I was being called, this was because I had set my mobile phone to vibrate."

But in Deepak's 06/11/2005 statement, Deepak says Joran talked to a mystery boy: "When we got inside we walked to the bar. At the bar Joran talked to a boy I know by face only. He had bought a drink for him and the boy."

Deepak also states he talked to a mystery friend:  "Then they [Joran and Natalee] stayed and talked to each other. I didn't hear the conversation, because at that moment a friend of mine came over to talk to me. I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them standing."

So we have two mystery guys - one 'boy' talking to joran, and one 'friend' talking to Deepak, and Satish knows who neither one is or does he? Maybe he doesn't want to acknowledge who they were.  Deepak says he loses Joran/Satish/Natalee inside C&C. Satish says he loses his brother inside C&C. Interesting.

Back to this mystery guy...not sure if it was Steve Croes or Joshua Posnr or another person based on Satish 06/10/2005 statement "My brother [Deepak] has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that Steve also had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee. [this was in the statement that was all about SCroes, providing rides back to the HI, then seeing Natalee fall out of the car, and then seeing them all on the beach.

My guess is Joshua was there at C&C that night. And Joran bought him a drink at C&C. And grandpa threatened anybody who even mentioned his presence there.

If Joran needed help calling anybody, it would be someone who does this for a 'living', a "money collector of sorts", who causes consequences if they don't pay up - get my drift? Who else but a grandson with grandpa connections? 
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« Reply #1250 on: August 06, 2008, 01:30:02 PM »

Interesting thoughts on Joshua, Poochy.  I  have always thought that the Columbian and Venezuelan were Jaime and Freddy. Joran always hung around the Holiday Inn with them and always went to C&Cs with them. He went out with Deepak and Satish about once a week, he said. It would have been highly unusual for him to have gone out with them two nights in a row.

There is a statement out there somewhere, that Rob and I both remember, from Nadira saying that Satish never went out with them. We have both searched and have not found it.

Your thoughts on Joshua could fit into my theory on David Fisiitalia. Ernesto could even fit in. I just haven’t been able to work out why Joran would use a fictional name like David Fisiitalia in his book. Obviously not a common name…and it appears his mother’s maiden name is Weber. Hmmm! Does anyone else remember confusion over the name Wever and Weber early on. There is another David Fisiitalia, facebook or myspace and he doesn’t seem to fit either, not ISA age, young father IIRC??
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« Reply #1251 on: August 06, 2008, 01:35:49 PM »

Hi Poochy!
Yes, Joran has a hard time remembering certain details. LOL  He must get that from Daddy-O.

So what is the significance of this Joshua guy?  Tell me what you think it means?

Out of the horses mouth, Joran states that before he went to C&C that fateful night he ran into Joshua at the HI sports bar. There he tells Joshua he's going to C&C and some of the girls are going also. Joran says Joshua frequents C&C. The fact that Joshua was hanging around the sports bar, imho, means he must have run into the MBers on several occasions. Joshua would be young and rich enough to afford buying a nice piece of jewlery...So is this Joshua Posnr who was hanging out at grandpa's sports bar? If so, he'd know all the gamblers including Guido et al. Or is this another Joshua? Dunno.


Before this goes much further...I have no indication that Joshua Posner is related to Michael Posner.  From what I can find so far it appears that he is related to Louis/Luis Posner in some way.  If anyone knows if brothers Louis and Israel Posner are related to Michael Posner I would love to see where that connection is.  I have no idea if they are related.
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« Reply #1252 on: August 06, 2008, 02:25:59 PM »

Apparently this is a Luis Posner, not a very old guy, who played in some type of Ping Pong event recently in Aruba.

http://www.sportsaruba.com/content/view/1326/42/
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« Reply #1253 on: August 06, 2008, 02:45:10 PM »

Interesting thoughts on Joshua, Poochy.  I  have always thought that the Columbian and Venezuelan were Jaime and Freddy. Joran always hung around the Holiday Inn with them and always went to C&Cs with them. He went out with Deepak and Satish about once a week, he said. It would have been highly unusual for him to have gone out with them two nights in a row.

There is a statement out there somewhere, that Rob and I both remember, from Nadira saying that Satish never went out with them. We have both searched and have not found it.

Your thoughts on Joshua could fit into my theory on David Fisiitalia. Ernesto could even fit in. I just haven’t been able to work out why Joran would use a fictional name like David Fisiitalia in his book. Obviously not a common name…and it appears his mother’s maiden name is Weber. Hmmm! Does anyone else remember confusion over the name Wever and Weber early on. There is another David Fisiitalia, facebook or myspace and he doesn’t seem to fit either, not ISA age, young father IIRC??


Jaime's statement puts him and his father at the HI on the night Joran and Natalee were at C&C. But so was 'Joshua' - sitting at the sports bar. Was it turning into a father and son gambling/drinking evening? Who knows. But other sons and fathers were there also, playing in the tournement.
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« Reply #1254 on: August 06, 2008, 03:22:38 PM »

Apparently this is a Luis Posner, not a very old guy, who played in some type of Ping Pong event recently in Aruba.

http://www.sportsaruba.com/content/view/1326/42/



Truthseeker…SM search results for Louis Posner. There is a recent post, July with pics and many differing discussions. Sorry I can’t help you check it out more today. Confusion with Michael Florida connections, as Sharon posts there was a wealthy Victor Posner that died in 2002.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2


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« Reply #1255 on: August 06, 2008, 03:25:18 PM »

Interesting thoughts on Joshua, Poochy.  I  have always thought that the Columbian and Venezuelan were Jaime and Freddy. Joran always hung around the Holiday Inn with them and always went to C&Cs with them. He went out with Deepak and Satish about once a week, he said. It would have been highly unusual for him to have gone out with them two nights in a row.

There is a statement out there somewhere, that Rob and I both remember, from Nadira saying that Satish never went out with them. We have both searched and have not found it.

Your thoughts on Joshua could fit into my theory on David Fisiitalia. Ernesto could even fit in. I just haven’t been able to work out why Joran would use a fictional name like David Fisiitalia in his book. Obviously not a common name…and it appears his mother’s maiden name is Weber. Hmmm! Does anyone else remember confusion over the name Wever and Weber early on. There is another David Fisiitalia, facebook or myspace and he doesn’t seem to fit either, not ISA age, young father IIRC??


Jaime's statement puts him and his father at the HI on the night Joran and Natalee were at C&C. But so was 'Joshua' - sitting at the sports bar. Was it turning into a father and son gambling/drinking evening? Who knows. But other sons and fathers were there also, playing in the tournement.


Poochy…I think in his PV, Jaime said his Dad worked at the Wyndham, and he picks him up at 11PM…wonder what time he dropped him off? He said Joran called him at 4PM on 5/29.
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« Reply #1256 on: August 06, 2008, 03:28:07 PM »

Why did it take until June 11 to begin the Joshua was in the house comments?  What had transpired at this time that was necessary for this Joshua person to be mentioned? A red herring perhaps?  Partial truth? 

Such as "Deepak came with 2 dawgs and buried her near the fisherman huts".  Totally made up and fictional happening based on the way Joran wanted the story to go. 

I can't make any connections on Michael Posner and Joshua either, but that does not mean it isn't so.  We should keep looking.

Truthseeker, I will look for the AG is Simian stuff if you really want to go there again. I will find it an post it if no one else does.
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« Reply #1257 on: August 06, 2008, 03:48:57 PM »

I am going to post as much info as I can find from the last discussion of Arubagirl and Simian and the genealogy of it all.  It may take me several hours, please bear with me.  I have to search through a lot of posts and our on going index of Shango.  Gosh!  I am so behind on this stuff.  I will be glad when winter gets here so I can just sit and work on it and get it organized.   Here goes:

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3715 on: March 21, 2008, 09:16:41 PM »
   
This is the cryptic information that Fin gave us about the ancestral tree of the fifth suspect. The names in the genealogy tree seemed to point toward Steve Croes and his uncle/neighbor Rufo Solognier.  There are several words in the cryptic clues that still have no meaning, including ex-monkey. The genealogy data that was found is very old with many generations missing between the recorded data and present family members. There was also information found about the connection between Alex Salangier and Jossy Mansur regardling the illegal tobacco and drug smuggling.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm

3/17/08 Finbar
Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.

3/18/08 Finbar
Flip tha coin again, sour mash gal.

There is more than one retired polis....

Maybe search: Solagnier + genaruba
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"...Frenchman...."
"Blue blood...."
"Cousins"
"Crows"
"South American"
"Curacao"
"grandmother"
"Insurance"
"Blogs"
"ALE"
"Ex-monkey"

Fin3/19/08
Not Shango.

Search: Solaganier + genaruba

ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?
the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.

RUFO SOLOGNIER
Retired ALE Police Chief

Now that rings a louder bell.

No typos in

Search: Solagnier + genaruba.

Do names through genealogy histories always stay the same?

The ex-monkey is not a Crows, but is related to Crows.

Steve Crows is not the ex-monkey, but maybe related to one.

Shake the Solagnier + genaruba and an ex-monkey will fall out of the tree.

Rufo cannot find a razor, think he could type?

Two words above to be searched with a "+" in between. Does the s-engine still work?


This is the search result for Solagnier + genaruba.

108.   Nicolaas Croes, born 1732 in Curaçao103.  He was the son of 216. Lourens Croes and 217. Susanna van der Westen.  He married 109. Maria Elizabeth van der Biest 01 november 1770103.
109.  Maria Elizabeth van der Biest  She was the daughter of 218. Harmen van der Biest and 219. Suzanna van der Woestijne.

Children of Nicolaas Croes and Maria Biest are:
  i. Hendrik Croes, born 15 oktober 1769104; died 09 oktober 1854 in Aruba104; married Anna Clara Poppe 16 augustus 1826 in Aruba105; born 25 februari 1773106; died 26 september 1841 in Aruba106.
  ii. Lourens Croes, born 08 januari 1777107; died 12 augustus 1850 in Aruba108; married Magdalena Specht 1801109; died Bef. 1850110.
  iii. Regina Jacomina Croes, born 14 oktober 1781111; died Bef. 1831111; married Michel Benoit Solagnier; born 09 juni 1754 in Marseille, France112; died 28 april 1831 in Aruba112.
54 iv. Jan van der Biest Croes, born 12 november 1783; died 20 juni 1859 in Aruba; married Maria Elizabeth Specht 27 augustus 1834 in Aruba.

27 in Aruba80; born 10 september 1798 in Aruba81; died 08 november 1881 in Aruba81.
  ii. Jan Pieter Croes, born 15 februari 1812 in Aruba82; died 28 december 1904 in Aruba82; married Sarah Zagaria Castro 11 november 1857 in Aruba83; born Abt. 1823 in Aruba84; died 01 november 1908 in Aruba84.
28 iii. Casper Theodorus Croes, born 17 mei 1825 in Aruba; died 13 juli 1889 in Aruba; married Regina Jacomina Ravine 11 augustus 1847 in Aruba.


58.  Paulus Ravine, born 06 april 1794 in Aruba85; died 13 juli 1841 in Aruba85.  He married 59. Maria Margaretha Solagnier 16 augustus 1826 in Aruba86.
59.  Maria Margaretha Solagnier, born 25 mei 180487; died 29 oktober 1861 in Aruba87.  She was the daughter of 118. Michel Benoit Solagnier and 119. Regina Jacomina Croes.

Child of Paulus Ravine and Maria Solagnier is:
29 i. Regina Jacomina Ravine, born Abt. 1824 in Aruba; died 18 oktober 1897 in Aruba; married Casper Theodorus Croes 11 augustus 1847 in Aruba.

http://www.geocities.com/genaruba/Page5_29.html

28.   Casper Theodorus Croes, born 17 mei 1825 in Aruba46; died 13 juli 1889 in Aruba46.  He was the son of 56. Frans Muller Croes and 57. Catharina Theresa Tromp.  He married 29. Regina Jacomina Ravine 11 augustus 1847 in Aruba47.
29.  Regina Jacomina Ravine, born Abt. 1824 in Aruba48; died 18 oktober 1897 in Aruba48.  She was the daughter of 58. Paulus Ravine and 59. Maria Margaretha Solagnier.

Children of Casper Croes and Regina Ravine are:
  i. Jan Croes, born 11 januari 1848 in Aruba49; died 02 januari 1918 in Aruba50; married Abeona Croes 23 juni 1869 in Aruba51; born 19 oktober 1851 in Aruba52; died 06 oktober 1926 in Aruba53.
14 ii. Johannes Nicolaas Croes, born 29 september 1863 in Aruba; died 23 maart 1947 in Aruba; married Theolinda Robustiana Lampe 24 september 1884 in Aruba.

http://www.geocities.com/genaruba/Page12_29.html

118.   Michel Benoit Solagnier, born 09 juni 1754 in Marseille, France112; died 28 april 1831 in Aruba112.  He married 119. Regina Jacomina Croes.
119.  Regina Jacomina Croes, born 14 oktober 1781113; died Bef. 1831113.  She was the daughter of 108. Nicolaas Croes and 109. Maria Elizabeth van der Biest.

Child of Michel Solagnier and Regina Croes is:
59 i. Maria Margaretha Solagnier, born 25 mei 1804; died 29 oktober 1861 in Aruba; married Paulus Ravine 16 augustus 1826 in Aruba.

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« Reply #1258 on: August 06, 2008, 03:51:42 PM »

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3720 on: March 22, 2008, 07:40:16 AM »
   
Maybe this was brought up before, but anyway.....

If the general belief is that Simian and Merian Ernest are one and the same
then Alcazar's Revenge makes another good candidate for being simian

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=212df9d42a5568a77557dead318cc13b&topic=1186.0

He has some interesting posts:

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: Van Rijn
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I do not understand the fixation on Van Rijn. The Police eliminated him as a suspect after extensive harassment. They even literally took his boat, cars and house apart.

He was brought in for questioning a couple of times, but somehow this was not brought in the limelight by the interviews on TV.

His father/family used to own the Volkswagen dealership. They might have sold part of it or completely. He known for off-the-wall behaviour.

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: Rape?
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I hear Shango, You haven't seen one piece of legal document on anything. So in that regard you should keep your opinion to yourself.

Why you haven't seen his face on TV, because he was never pointed to by the Twitty's. That is why.

It is a public secret that the casino employees pointed to him as being involved with Natalee and the group during their stay in Aruba. Even alluding to a romantic involvement with Natalee.

At the same time Beth Twitty states that Joran raped her daughter, because she was a virgin. That even if the sex was consensual it was still rape to her.


The reason i think he could be simian/merian is the references in his posts to characters from the TinTin comic book series. For example Alcazar, picaros, tapioca, at one point he says "duizend bommen en granaten" which is a line often used in those comic books by one of the characters.

another post:

Alcazar's Revenge
Joined: 03 Aug 2005

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: Choose sides...

It's helpful to do so. It avoids embarrassment.

The Shivas will be pinched again. Reset your clocks as it may happen before the ides of August.

Do not underestimate the Babylonians. That has been your mistake all along. The words exchanged with the Yellowhammer will haunt Cain. The question is if he will be Abel to tell the truth.

Remember that the block and the hammer are not owned by the Babylonians. Et tu, De Wit?

The whisperer is back on the line. Weak,...but still hungry. Never broken. In the Nemean sense.

"Death to Tapioca!"


Now for the off the wall part.....

I googled Alczars revenge and this came up, off the wall like i said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bishop

Mary Bishop was a fictional character on the American soap opera General Hospital.

some quotes from the wiki page:

Mary discovered that the stranger Nikolas spoke to was Lorenzo Alcazar
They painted Emily as a scorned lover that couldn't let go of Connor.
Mary received her medication and went into cardiac arrest and later died. It was discovered that Mary had been given the wrong medication. Suspicion fell on Emily since she was alone with the medicine cart and threatened Mary. The mystery of her murder was never solved, although many believe she was killed by Lorenzo Alcazar

Probably nothing but some of the terms used jumped out

just a thought
   
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3721 on: March 22, 2008, 07:45:19 AM »
   

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« Reply #1259 on: August 06, 2008, 03:53:12 PM »

As you can see SS was very interested in this subject...wonder where she is? 

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3725 on: March 22, 2008, 09:05:00 AM »
   
I'm not sure that we have identified all of the information that Fin was giving us.  These are the surnames that I found in the source which Fin gave.  The names are Croes, van der Westen, van der Biest, van der Woestijne, Poppe, Specht, Solagnier, Zagaria, Castro, Ravine, Tromp, and Lampe.

This is the list that Fin gave us.  We haven't figured out very much of it

Retired ex-polis - Rufo Solognier (uncle and neighbor of Steve Cores)
Blue Blood - ?
Cousins - ?
Crows - Steve Cores (?)
Curacao - ?
Grandmother - ?
Insurance - ?
Blogs - ?
ALE - ?
ex-monkey - no longer posts on SM

Fin wanted us to ask why SGC would lie, and what relations he has to an ex-monkey.
Who is Fin? He didn't join this forum until February.  Was he a former forum member?  How would he know this information about former posters?  I haven't seen Fin post since he gave these cryptic clues. I very quickly identified that Fin knows how genealogy data is gathered.  He knew how LDS gets their information, which might have gone over many monkey heads.  He knew about individuals submitting lineages and the "two on the bike".  Fin has done genealogy research. I think we ned to take a good look a Fin's clues again.

Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.

Flip tha coin again, sour mash gal.

There is more than one retired polis....

Maybe search: Solagnier + genaruba

ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?

the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.

RUFO SOLOGNIER
Retired ALE Police Chief

Now that rings a louder bell.

No typos in

Search: Solagnier + genaruba.

Do names through genealogy histories always stay the same?

The ex-monkey is not a Crows, but is related to Crows.

Steve Crows is not the ex-monkey, but maybe related to one.

Shake the Solagnier + genaruba and an ex-monkey will fall out of the tree.

Rufo cannot find a razor, think he could type?

Two words above to be searched with a "+" in between. Does the s-engine still work?

Fin


Am I sour mash girl?    I keep focusing on the changes in the Solagnier spelling.  The family that now spells it Solognier is Rufo.  The family that still spells it Solagnier is the one that was involved in smuggling with the Harms family and Jossy Mansur.  Rufo can't find a razor and typing is also of interest.

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