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« Reply #1260 on: August 06, 2008, 03:54:25 PM »

LOL  I hope AG doesn't get mad again about all this stuff. LOL

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3727 on: March 22, 2008, 10:06:46 AM »
   
I found some research on descendants of Solangier family that was done by Diandre Alders. Do any of these names mean anything to anyone?

1 Michel Benoit SOLAGNIER b: 9 Jun 1754 d: 28 Apr 1831
  + Regina Jacomina CROES b: 14 Oct 1781 d: Bef 1831
    2 Maria Margaretha SOLAGNIER b: 25 May 1804 d: 29 Oct 1861
      + Paulus RAVINE b: 6 Apr 1790 d: 20 Oct 1824
        3 Regina Jacomina RAVINE b: Abt 1828 d: 18 Oct 1897
          + Casper Theodorus CROES b: 17 May 1825 d: 13 Jul 1889
            4 Jan CROES b: 11 Jan 1848 d: 2 Jan 1918
              + Abeona CROES b: 19 Oct 1851 d: 6 Oct 1926
                5 Jacobo CROES b: 18 Jan 1877 d: 9 Dec 1918
                  + Anna Elisabeth CROES b: 24 Sep 1879 d: 16 May 1924
                    6 Inovia Beltranda CROES b: 10 Oct 1904 d: 4 Aug 1979
                      + Constantino Remaclo ALDERS b: 13 Sep 1881 d: 15 Jun 1965
            4 Johannes Nicolaas CROES b: 29 Sep 1863 d: 23 Mar 1947
              + Theolinda Robustiana LAMPE b: 14 Mar 1864 d: 2 Oct 1931
                5 Maria Regina CROES b: 30 Dec 1906 d: 9 Aug 1991
                  + Ezau Albrecht HENRIQUEZ b: 13 Jan 1904 d: 14 Mar 1975
                    6 Living HENRIQUEZ
                      + Living ALDERS
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« Reply #1261 on: August 06, 2008, 03:55:11 PM »

More from SS:

This means that the daughter of Ezau and Marie Henriques married the son of Constantino and Inovia Alders.  Their names aren’t given because they are still alive.
Could Inovia Croes or Maria Cores be Fin’s grandmother?

·  ID: I49616985
·  Name: Living HENRIQUEZ
·  Sex: F

Father: Ezau Albrecht HENRIQUEZ b: 13 Jan 1904 in Aruba
Mother: Maria Regina CROES b: 30 Dec 1906 in Aruba

Marriage 1 Living ALDERS
Children
1.    Living ALDERS

·  ID: I49616984
·  Name: Living ALDERS
·  Sex: M

Father: Constantino Remaclo ALDERS b: 13 Sep 1881 in Kralendijk, Bonaire
Mother: Inovia Beltranda CROES b: 10 Oct 1904 in Aruba

Marriage 1 Living HENRIQUEZ
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« Reply #1262 on: August 06, 2008, 03:58:55 PM »

SS:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
« Reply #712 on: February 23, 2008, 01:12:13 PM »

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Quote from: Magnolia on February 23, 2008, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 09:46:02 AM
I have NO link saved of where I got this I'm not sure if it's right
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
........................MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
........................Natalee & other MBHS kids believe Joran van der Sloot is a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba
........................Some locals later tell MBHS kids Joran van der Sloot is a local drug dealer
1:00 am...........Carlos’nCharlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving
1:30 am...........Joran walks next to Natalee outside Carlos’nCharlie’s, but two are not touching
........................MB kids say Natalee does not appear to be drunk & is walking OK
........................Natalee tells MB friends she’s going back to Holiday Inn with another group of MB kids
........................Natalee points to MB kids she’s going with, Kalpoe brothers & Deepak’s car nowhere in sight
........................MB kids see Natalee & Joran in Deepak’s car but think it’s a taxi (taxis not marked in Aruba)
........................Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
........................MB kids go back to hotel pool and beach. Marriott beach visible. Moon at 59% illumination
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak then drives away from Oranjestad to California Lighthouse
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says the brothers drop off Natalee & Joran (@ Marriott?)
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2:00 am...........Person sees Kalpoe brothers in Deepak’s car driving toward Montanja where van der Sloots live
2-3:00 am........Kalpoe’s neighbor sees brothers at home washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran van der Sloot calls Deepak Kalpoe and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer David **** says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey says Deepak told him Joran said he would go online in hour and tell him what happened
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:00 am?.........Someone who sounds like Natalee leaves garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
3:00 am...........?Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone?
........................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Where were Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew?
........................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
........................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am...........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
3:15 am..........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am..........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am..........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
5:00 am..........50-100 MB kids @ beach, Holiday Inn pool & lobby start to go back to their rooms for sleep
6:30 am..........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba ?
.......................?Call is to another of the 3 amigos?
6:40 am..........Julia @ “Aruba Today” says Joran on school bus & “aced” his exam, but no exams scheduled
.......................Headmaster @ International School of Aruba says Joran was late this day & Paulus drove him
???? am..........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:00 am..........Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
.......................Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.



Blonde I have seen this timeline also, but  don't recall where from. It interestingly contains the mention of the stop at the other bar by the perps, and the ATM stops, but
sadly not confirmed info on it though I recall it too .......often I think this early info true...out before it got cleaned up, sadly no way to prove it.

1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM? [/b]


I think the timeline above may be the one Writenow did at the end of June o5,
I always thought that was important because information was new in the mind.


Nope.

That computer scrawl be mine.

I think I composed it from several sources. One was World Journier. One was from interviews. Me thinks Shizaru sounds familiar, but I do not remember those text messages that were actually sent.

It may seem they came from several sites because I mined all the net info I could find at the time. That page came from one place.

I was hoping it would be posted because that info was on an old computer that I no longer use.

It needs reworking and a badly needed format make over. lol.

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« Reply #1263 on: August 06, 2008, 04:04:25 PM »

Why did it take until June 11 to begin the Joshua was in the house comments?  What had transpired at this time that was necessary for this Joshua person to be mentioned? A red herring perhaps?  Partial truth? 

Such as "Deepak came with 2 dawgs and buried her near the fisherman huts".  Totally made up and fictional happening based on the way Joran wanted the story to go. 

I can't make any connections on Michael Posner and Joshua either, but that does not mean it isn't so.  We should keep looking.

Truthseeker, I will look for the AG is Simian stuff if you really want to go there again. I will find it an post it if no one else does.


6/11...arrest?
6/12...Freddy's first statement.

Wouldn't take this info to the bank...basic people search...

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« Reply #1264 on: August 06, 2008, 04:06:35 PM »

My last post for awhile.  Let the discussion begin.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #3781 on: March 22, 2008, 07:29:20 PM »
   
I have pulled some tidbits of converstaions with Finbar.

This one was on 3/14 and once again he is pointing a finger at a Cores.

There was a meeting on june 28th between Croes, Donner(dutch justice minister) and Pechtold(dutch minister of kingdom relations) in curacao. During this meeting croes asked the dutch ministers for assistance in rectifying the aruban image that was painted in the US media. The bad image was harming arubas tourist industry. (wampum)

jackb,

Do you have a link for this source?

Interesting. A Croes that was at the meeting. Still reaching to tie in SGC into the mix. Croes is as common as a Yoruba priest down there, but one has to be related. With small island inter relations - most likely, more than one.

So, one suspect names SGC and he was arrested. I read somewhere else that SGC mentions he was arrested because he over heard something stated by one of the suspects.

I think the island's close familial relationships are the nut that will not likely be cracked.

Fin


3/13/08
There is more that one dirty hand.

CAPS mentioned this. The different spellings of DH/dh seems to indicate this also.

His Lordship is not Oduber. He is the Prime Minister. He is there to preserve Aruba.

His Excellency Governor Refunjol is there to preserve Holland. He is the Head of State. No one higher unless we want to drag the Queen into it.

If we go Rasta - Babylon is the oppression of the Dutch laws, legal system, police, etc.. It is a foreign government forced upon the Arawak peoples from ages ago.

His Lordship Refunjol is there to preserve Babylon.

CAPS, do you own cats?

Fin

3/12/08
Something else odd. All these posters stating that a body thrown in the ocean would either wash back upon the shores or S.A..

Max never washed up.

Fin

3/11/08
Is Finbar aka AG aka Simian???
ag & simian were the two I remember posting about insurance scams.

Fin

3/09/08
17   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 -  on: March 09, 2008, 07:05:07 PM
Venezuela Nabs Suspected Colombian Cocaine Kingpin

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN09398680


Maybe PVDS was a mob/cartel lawyer and got caught skimming money.

No casino will allow anyone to gamble beyond the means to pay the debt. Unless an equal amount is in a bank account.

South FLA is the drug capitol of the U.S.. Maybe that is the reason for the trip. Bidness. Drug bidness.

Was this the guy from Aruba that was in FLA and then fled? H. Gonzales?

Fin 

3/09/08
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 09, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
Quote from: Finbar on March 09, 2008, 04:42:14 AM

How does ag have the "power of the ping"?


Only Mods and Admin can see other posters IP address.  I don't think I ever saw my own IP on the FP.

Yes, mistake on me part. Riddle was only posted on the FP.

Me thinks Mom answered Fin's rhetorical question.

Fin

3/9/08
CAPS,

Yes. This has been my contention for several years now. There are others that will verify that I came up with this idea several years ago. I even sent this info to Dave at that same time I figured this out.

The map link posted earlier in the thread is the same one from Buki Di Telefoon Aruba 2005 showing the Wi-Fi HotSpots.

2K would have to be aware of Wi-Fi. What - own an Internet Cafe and not have that option for customers? They prolly even sold the pre-paid cards for Wi-Fi at their Cafe.

Wi-Fi is often called "the hippie network." One could string a series of Wi-Fi HotSpots, covering a local area, and peeps could receive internet access for free.

It is a broadcast signal through the air waves. So, it could be hacked by someone with that skill. If one has their own personal Wi-Fi router, one can make it accessible only with a password. Got iPod Touch?

The other aspect is that is that Wi-Fi can be accessed via cell phone, pda's, computer, laptop, etc..

Me thinks the range is limited.

This is the aspect that most likely hindered the investigation. The suspects used Wi-Fi to make it appear that they were at a location, where they were not really located there.

Example: Use cell phone to call from the (insert any location here) and access home computer. Logon and send your friend a text message  email. When computer records and emails are investigated - it will make it appear that the person is at home, when they are not. Maybe this is what ALE meant by computer timeclock tampering.

I believe that some ALE on Aruba honestly tries to investigate, but the conflicting information(alibi/lies of Wi-Fi) proved to support the suspects. Then the coverup began.

Wi-Fi - It's the next best thing to being there....

Fin

3/9/08
I have used paintball markers and I do not believe it is possible to kill a dog with one - even point blank. Maybe torture one with it though. Most serial killers torture and kill animals as "practice" for their later deeds.

I have in me notes that clevfan spoke to the grandmother of SGC on Curacao.

SGC's friend is GVC.

GVC played soccer with JVDS.

I cannot decipher the numerous connections with words. I drew a picture. Take a piece of paper and place "Polis" at the center. Then add all the names in the case and arrows pointing to connections.

It is startling.

Round and round it goes.

Fin

3/9/08
So.

How does ag know Shango?

She is on Aruba and Shango is supposedly in FLA.

Shango would have to be from or lived on Aruba at one point in time.

How does ag have the "power of the ping"?

I would think that it would be extremely, extremely difficult for a poster to have the power to trace someone through an internet BB. A super hacker - maybe.

How can this be?

If one notices at the bottom right of each post, it states "Logged".
Click it and a window pops up -
"Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators. remember that this information is not identifying, and that most IPs change periodically.

You cannot see other member's IP addresses, and they cannot see yours."

So.

Did someone ever supply ag with the IP addy or location of Shango?

Shango knew when the Dopple was there because they had a common friend. Either a phone call, email or IM was sent when the mother came home. The mother was the Dopple. I do not believe that anyone was posting as a Dopple unless it was the mother. I believe that it was meant that the mother had simply arrived home.

So, how so, how the power of the ping?

I once knew a penguin that could ping.

Fin

3/07/08
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm

DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon

So, he is not Dutch & not Aruban. What nationality is he?

Literally one would think it means someone that is not from NL or Aruba.

Yet, child of Babylon infers - not a young person of Dutch decent. Could mean an older person that is Dutch.

Not Arawak meaning - not descended from the original islanders. Could be borne there, but I think locals mean one has to have been there for several generations to be considered Aruban(Arawak).

Could also be an elder person of Dutch and Aruban parents that are not considered Arawak.

Could be someone that was borne there and not of Dutch or Aruban heritage.

Could be someone that settled there from another country than NL or Aruba.

If we assume that Shango was trying to help and if what he stated is true, then we must find someone that fits one of these criteria of birth and origin.

I think these are things that only the locals may know.

Fin

3/08/08
So, why do the shoes appear to be orange?

Then I remembered my time spent on a clay tennis court. Leaves the shoes with clay dust.

I used Google Earth but could not find a clay court at the RC. But around the green ones there is a rectangular ring of - clay.

Odd. I have never seen a court surrounded by clay before.

That would explain why the tennis shoes look like boots. The clay colour.

Fin

03/05/08
Peaches,

Kinda, sorta, not really. That is Finbar for I have to go to work to feed the credit cards before Visa sends a hit man looking for me.

But a poo poo platter sounds kinda interesting.

Fin

3/05/08
Finbar is referring to a photograph of Steve Croes.

Is the second pic cropped? I would love to see more of the left part if it is.

Notice they both have that same deformed looking ear curl going inwards toward the ear canal - proper.

That is an inherited trait.

Maybe papa Crow has it too.

Follow the ear lobes....

Fin

P.S. Hey Faith

3/04/08
Yes. Misdirection away from the landfill.

How many of Aruba's investigators were at the dump helping Dave dig?

Didn't they make him get permits or something?

Covered up the holes that they had dug.

Maybe the witness did not see them burying a body, but digging it back up to be moved. I think CAPS posted that. Insightful.

The ocean makes sense, being on finite island land, but if willing conspirators kept moving and reburying the body - makes it difficult to find.

Dompig gave many conflicting opinions on the case. Related to Kalpoe?

Fin

3/04/04
Reference to the father of Steve Croes
I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.

3/04/08
I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.

03/04/08
I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.

03/03/08
Finbar's response to a list of judges in Curcao and Aruba
I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


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« Reply #1265 on: August 06, 2008, 04:12:14 PM »

Why did it take until June 11 to begin the Joshua was in the house comments?  What had transpired at this time that was necessary for this Joshua person to be mentioned? A red herring perhaps?  Partial truth? 

Such as "Deepak came with 2 dawgs and buried her near the fisherman huts".  Totally made up and fictional happening based on the way Joran wanted the story to go. 

I can't make any connections on Michael Posner and Joshua either, but that does not mean it isn't so.  We should keep looking.

Truthseeker, I will look for the AG is Simian stuff if you really want to go there again. I will find it an post it if no one else does.

I'm not sure why is was casually mentioned by Joran.  Who knows why Joran ever says anything.  he has to be one of the most untrustworth people on the planet.  But Joran's mention of a Joshua is not why I was looking at the Joshua Posner from Wooten.  I was looking for any connection to Michael Posner and Louis and Israel Posner.  What I see my be legit, maybe not.  The info I found showed Joshua listing himself as "owner" at Aruba Aloe and is also the "Director Of E-Commerce".  Given his course of study at Wooten I do not see that his education prepared him for that job, not to mention he graduated from Wooten in 2006 and is probably not more that 25 years old right now.  But...family business??

The school article that mentions his interest in magic (much of which he performs with cards) also mentions that he was born in Rhode Island, but moved to Aruba when he was two.  There is a connection to Rhode Island and that is with Israel Posner.  He graduated from the University of Rhode Island in 1978.  Israel lists that he held a job on Aruba in 1988.  If young Josh is Israel's son that would mean he would have been on Aruba around the age of 3-4, but still close.

As for the AG=Simian, I can do without it I suppose.  I am really more interested in the Shango influence right now. 
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« Reply #1266 on: August 06, 2008, 04:18:46 PM »

Why did it take until June 11 to begin the Joshua was in the house comments?  What had transpired at this time that was necessary for this Joshua person to be mentioned? A red herring perhaps?  Partial truth? 

Such as "Deepak came with 2 dawgs and buried her near the fisherman huts".  Totally made up and fictional happening based on the way Joran wanted the story to go. 

I can't make any connections on Michael Posner and Joshua either, but that does not mean it isn't so.  We should keep looking.

Truthseeker, I will look for the AG is Simian stuff if you really want to go there again. I will find it an post it if no one else does.


6/11...arrest?
6/12...Freddy's first statement.

Wouldn't take this info to the bank...basic people search...

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Jeremy Posner



Joshua is listed at 72 and Jeremy 85…

Louis Posner - Aloe

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter61.html


SS was busy with her summer chores last I emailed her…house renovations…she is quite the handygirl…
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« Reply #1267 on: August 06, 2008, 05:27:56 PM »

OK, let me throw another kink in the chain here.


What if Shango was a gambler that played the casinos and was paid to put this info out there in order to turn the attention away from Joran and the Kalpoes?  Remember, Shango insists that the Kalpoes knew nothing about the body or what happened and Joran is only a scapegoat...innocent of any wrongdoing.  It was the elders and Lions that did what they did to Natalee.  It was not Joran's fault.

Turthseeker, sorry, I didn't mean for you to think I was asking you about Joshua. That was a question to Poochy.  But you did give me a good answer.
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« Reply #1268 on: August 06, 2008, 09:39:10 PM »

OK, let me throw another kink in the chain here.


What if Shango was a gambler that played the casinos and was paid to put this info out there in order to turn the attention away from Joran and the Kalpoes?  Remember, Shango insists that the Kalpoes knew nothing about the body or what happened and Joran is only a scapegoat...innocent of any wrongdoing.  It was the elders and Lions that did what they did to Natalee.  It was not Joran's fault.

Turthseeker, sorry, I didn't mean for you to think I was asking you about Joshua. That was a question to Poochy.  But you did give me a good answer.

He could have also been testing the "MB boyfriend" theory....and the alibi outside by the HI pool "party"....as disinformation that was not picked up on.
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« Reply #1269 on: August 06, 2008, 11:51:06 PM »

OK, let me throw another kink in the chain here.


What if Shango was a gambler that played the casinos and was paid to put this info out there in order to turn the attention away from Joran and the Kalpoes?  Remember, Shango insists that the Kalpoes knew nothing about the body or what happened and Joran is only a scapegoat...innocent of any wrongdoing.  It was the elders and Lions that did what they did to Natalee.  It was not Joran's fault.

Turthseeker, sorry, I didn't mean for you to think I was asking you about Joshua. That was a question to Poochy.  But you did give me a good answer.

He could have also been testing the "MB boyfriend" theory....and the alibi outside by the HI pool "party"....as disinformation that was not picked up on.

I might agree and say that is an idea I have never thought about except the "alibi" reference.  Even Shango discussed that alibi story with Simian.  Therefore, I give it some credence, but not sure in what context.  You just confused me...and I thought I had it all figured out. LOL Rolling Eyes
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COLOMBO...re YTD...though referring to tourism, it is used by other agencies...probably in marketing, maybe banking...

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More conflicting info on Ben Vocking…Wonder when he changed his name…


Ben King: Poor Judgement Or Cover-Up in Natalee Holloway Case
I was and still am a bit leary of this report on corruption in the Dutch justice system in Aruba: some facts appear to be incorrect. For instance, Paul(us) v d Sloot is not a "high-ranking official."
The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .
In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with.
King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
However, I do find it curious that an official so close to the PM would 1) change his name and 2) exercise such poor judgement in the Natalee Holloway case that it now appears he has taken a vacation and, from all appearances, will continue to be of assistance or support to the Van der Sloot's in some way.
An article I found in Dutch - scroll down to fifth article - looked curious, so I asked Begga from Hasibokos to translate.
Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.
Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.
Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .
King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”
And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.
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hello all.
Im surprised to read that people like Ben (voc)king are being named as ones that are responsible for cover-ups etc.
I know both families for a long time, for starters Ben is not a prosecuter as i have read in above reactions, the name changing has been done a long time before this case had even started and has nothing to do with any case what so ever.
A lot of reactions are based on information that isnt correct or even checked at all.
Actually i had a lot of laughs about most tv-reports and articals, i have lived on aruba for a couple of years as well, and everyone that has lived there knows that most of the stuff and "plots" that has been written cant even be true, because they mix-up locations and information all over the place..
In the function at work that Ben had at that time, it wouldnt even been possible for him to change stuff on that case... To prevent all the writing on anybody that showed up at the van der Sloot family he took vacation from work, so if even suspected he couldnt do anything... But still it was said he was covering stuff up ofcourse.
Im amazed that Americans all just only think about what is said in the media-circus that was started and paid for by the halloway family and dont start thinking for there self.
Imagine being said all the stuff that has been said about both families and nothing of it proven... imagine being a member of one of those families, especially if you are just a friend helping someone you have been very good friends with for over years.
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« Reply #1272 on: August 07, 2008, 04:44:53 PM »

While Shango is composing this post:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun


Simian provides this defense of the system:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.



Shango responds with:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire


No one has posted as Simian during this time.  We have often thought Shango's reference to Dopple (short for doppleganger) meant someone else posting as Simian.  But...the actual definition is a ghostly double or counterpart of a living person.  I believe Shango was referring to whoever it was that was telling Simian what to say.

Simian does not post again until 9:27 pm.  For over five hours Shango holds the attention of audience for the early evening hours.  Could Simian be in a "strategy session" during this time?

When Simian does return he resumes posting with this:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.


Shango counters with this:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl


Shango posts a few more times and then Simian comes back with:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.


Then Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….


I believe these two were posting to each other in this sequence.  I know some have wondered what this last post from Shango meant.  The idea of porn videos has been discussed.  Given this possible exchange between Simian and Shango I believe this may have more to do with the casino security tapes.  Paulus had to come clean?  She spent her nights at their table?  Simian is holding a carrot on a stick.  Is Shango telling Simian that he knows what Simian is talking about?  Simian would not be able to say what the evidence was and Shango is letting him know that he knows what it is?


Over the next two days both Simian and Shango post their cryptic messages.  They take small jabs at each other, but nothing stands out as a post made in anger.

Then...on 06/28/05:

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:09 am
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:18 am
f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:21 am
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.


Seems Shango may have gone too far in Simian's opinion.  Was Shango's post about David revealing too much?
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« Reply #1273 on: August 07, 2008, 05:09:09 PM »

Who is David?  That be the question.
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« Reply #1274 on: August 07, 2008, 05:25:28 PM »

While Simian is ranting and telling everyone that they have been pinged, Shango slips into doppleganger mode himself: note-I saved these posts in reverse time order so it will make more sense if you read them from bottom to top.



Robalo33

Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

(best translation I can get: Simian your I do not speak to anything of veridad todavia ta always the same case with you cabron?)

Jun 28, 2:22 AM




Robalo33

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

(translates: I like to better spend times with a woman like you Simian)
Jun 28, 2:21 AM




Robalo33

what has simeon said that came out true?

Jun 28, 2:16 AM




Robalo33

also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

Jun 28, 2:15 AM



Robalo33

someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

[At 11:48 on June 27 Shango uses the term austrolopithecus. (Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:48 pm - The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague  I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus )
 At 02:10 am on June 28 Robalo33 uses that very same term, yet does not attribute it to Shango.  He immediately posts again at 02:13 am to attribute the use of this term to Shango.]


But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.

Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

Jun 28, 2:13 AM


Robalo33

The simian is wrong
The simian said the Hague was coming

The simian is an austrolopithecus

Jun 28, 2:10 AM



Robalo33

I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.

I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.

Psychics do exist you know

A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.

just a thought

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How would Robalo33 know anything personal about Simian?
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« Reply #1276 on: August 07, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »

How would Robalo33 know anything personal about Simian?


Not sure,but here is what I had saved and my translations???



Simian on June 28th, 2005 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time.
The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.

Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

Shango on June 28th, 2005 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 1:58 am
I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.

I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.

Psychics do exist you know

A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.
just a thought 

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:01 am
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
 
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.

 The Simian is angry. Over and out.

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:09 am
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
 
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:10 am
The simian is wrong

The simian said the Hague was coming

The simian is an austrolopithecus

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:13 am
someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions
.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:15 am
also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:16 am
what has simeon said that came out true?

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:18 am
f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:21 am
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.

No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.
I do not make mockery. I am annoyed by the bobedades of Shango and Shock and Checkme. We believe, but they are not.

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:21 am
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian 
I like to spend more time with a woman like you Simian

Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:22 am
Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?
Simian you do not speak truthfully nothing yet, 't always the same pod with you cabron?

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:23 am
?

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:24 am
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:27 am
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:28 am
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabà a que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
Tu seras bastards, wanker. I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you. do not understand and believe that everything will be solved by gringo. I'm not predictions, nor never said that to step sabà that night.
I do not understand quesque you say. Whether I am a woman? Life is not how you think.

 
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:29 am
Babylon is Falling

The Arawak teepees will be crushed

will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion

to make the cowboys smile


Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:32 am
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na lià ±a. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor maà ±an. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.

Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas maà ±an, no spanta.
shango, you have been pinged. not place do you self at lià ±a. the cosnan cu you have talk today can haci’bo dolor maà ±an. close do you mouth y not talk of thing do you not know. go sleep, pace is late. much person is read thing are you skibi. they arise at door of you cas maà ±an, not spanta. come across

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions

in the place of darkness

house of secrets

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:45 am
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:50 am
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:50 am
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand

they lost to the lions

dirty hand knows

the elder knows

and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon

the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders

Simian on June 28th, 2005 2:53 am
Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
 
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.

Anacaona on June 28th, 2005 2:54 am
Simian, hablas espaà ±ol muy bien, et franà §ais pas aussi bien 
De verdad saben algo, o es solo jugando?
Simian, talking espaà ± ol very well, and franà § ais pas aussi bien
Really know something, or is just playing?

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys

DirtyHand knows

Simian knows

The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day

Shango said no two times


Is Simian a DirtyHand too

Has the Simian played with the lions

in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes

where the innocent flies are lured?

Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?

Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,

not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

Simian on June 28th, 2005 3:02 am
Yo solo trato de pasar informacià ³n antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.
 
Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.

Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez de oà r a Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.
I just try to pass informacià ³ before being present at the news. First, because not say as to be on Fox News or CNN.
However now I am an idiot que se cree make predictions of things we do not know. Alavéz, I clearly not for not having been there. Once again I only step that I have information from people who are connected in society Arubano.
I am very upset to read today as this idiot calling itself Shango is playing with the feelings of these gringos and alavez of oà ra Nancy Grace talk about situations that she does not even understand.

Shango on June 28th, 2005 3:06 am
Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect

His lordship brought nothing from the Hague

the simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an insider.

Anacaona on June 28th, 2005 3:09 am
1ro: gracias, si efectivamente recibes y transmites info antes the que llegue a las noticias.
2do: puede hacer toda las predicciones que quiera, pero la gente inteligente que cree en facts y no misticismo, no le pone mucha atencion (aunque entretiene)
3ro: Nancy Grace es una gringa histerica, no le hagas caso. La mayoria de la gente aca escucha fox.

Ultimamente, sigue contribuyendo…la gente que te ha leido desde un principio te tiene confianza y aprecian lo que haces : )
The 1st: thanks, if indeed receive and transmit the info before it reaches the news.
The 2nd can make any predictions you want, but intelligent people who cree on facts and not mysticism, not put a lot of attention (though entertaining)
The 3rd: Nancy Grace is a gringa hysterical, you do not. Most people here heard fox.
Lately, continues to contribute… people who have read the outset you have confidence and appreciate what you do:)


Good night everyone!

Simian on June 28th, 2005 3:10 am
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.

If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.

Anacaona on June 28th, 2005 3:13 am
One more thing…I’ve been following the Shango saga for the past couple of days, and…I think Shango is the one who may be leading us astray. For those who think differently, take it all with a grain of salt…you may find yourself disappointed trying to decipher codes to non-existent people and places.
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« Reply #1277 on: August 07, 2008, 06:14:27 PM »

How would Robalo33 know anything personal about Simian?

LOL.  If you ask how Shango knew anything about Simian you would be asking the same question.  We have all believed (at some point or the other) that Simian and Shango knew each other.
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« Reply #1278 on: August 07, 2008, 06:21:18 PM »

How would Robalo33 know anything personal about Simian?

LOL.  If you ask how Shango knew anything about Simian you would be asking the same question.  We have all believed (at some point or the other) that Simian and Shango knew each other.


Shango on June 28th, 2005 1:55 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 1:58 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:10 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:13 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:15 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:16 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:21 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:22 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:23 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:24 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:27 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:29 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:39 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:45 am
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« Reply #1279 on: August 07, 2008, 06:25:51 PM »

How would Robalo33 know anything personal about Simian?

LOL.  If you ask how Shango knew anything about Simian you would be asking the same question.  We have all believed (at some point or the other) that Simian and Shango knew each other.


Shango on June 28th, 2005 1:55 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 1:58 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:10 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:13 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:15 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:16 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:21 am
Robalo33 on June 28th, 2005 2:22 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:23 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:24 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:27 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:29 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:39 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:45 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:50 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:59 am
Shango on June 28th, 2005 3:06 am


They are the same person.  I have no doubt about that.

I believe Simian became very unnerved when Shango made the "Only David left the den alive" post.  If Shango truly knows something, then Simian is pizzed because that info should not be revealed.  If Shango does not know anything then he may have been fishing, using the name of someone he suspects.  Either way, my interpretation of this exchange is that post got an interesting reaction out of Simian.
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