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« Reply #1280 on: August 07, 2008, 11:14:16 PM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.
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« Reply #1281 on: August 07, 2008, 11:18:54 PM »

Yes, Robalo and Shango used the same email address to submit their posts on the FP. 
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« Reply #1282 on: August 08, 2008, 12:51:12 AM »

Jeroen Westrate

http://www.peconicpuffin.com/the_peconic_puffin/2008/02/aruban-wrap-up.html

http://bulado.com/index.php?log_id=130&photo_id=469&related=

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter25.html
snip:
"After Jeroen Westrate's retirement as a professional windsurfer this is the hope for Aruba, he is a potential winner."

MySpace.com - Dennis - 22 - Male - Santa Cruz - www...
Heroes, jeroen westrate and sarah offringa. Dennis's Details. Status: Single. Here for: Friends. Orientation: Straight...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=99296957

http://windsurfingmag.com/article.jsp;jsessionid=72345F4A75131364CA7E0F60A867660A.pa12_windsurfingmag?ID=30917&typeID=100&categoryID=100
snip:
Baby Beach
This is the most recently "discovered" spot. Jeroen Westrate took me there for my first session, and I was glad I had the spot's most seasoned sailor to show me the way.


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.windsurfing/2005-10/msg00059.html
 The best flatwater jumper I've ever heard of is Jeroen Westrate in
>> Aruba. I don't know if he sails there anymore (heard he moved to
>> Europe) but I've sailed behind him and seen him get 8 feet of air off

http://www.yy.co.za/need-love-X2f275c243Ja2t3zH3U2f2H3-south.htm

http://windsurfingmag.com/article.jsp?ID=30916&typeID=100&categoryID=100

April 7, 1999
Interview With Jeroen Westrate
By Dasher
Up-and-coming contenders for the international wave-sailing scene hail from places like Maui and California - domains where big water is king. How then can Aruba sailor Jeroen (pronounced ye-roon) Westrate - a man from a place where flat-water hero jibes are the main fare - be an incredibly talented wave sailor? The answer floats in the surf of Aruba's "other side" and lies deep in the belly of one very determined Arubian sailor. Westrate was quickly snapped up by Robby Naish as a Naish Sails team rider. He was featured in a flat-water loop photo sequence on the July 1995 cover of WindSurfing. His sponsors today include American Airlines and the Arubian government. We caught up with mild-mannered Westrate while he was on the losing side of a game of backgammon.

WindSurfing: Hey Jeroen, how's it goin'?
Westrate: I'm getting my butt kicked again.
Hey, it's just a game. So how can someone so bad at backgammon be so good at wave sailing?
Because backgammon is all about luck.
Were you lucky then to be born in Aruba?
Yeah, I was lucky to be born in Aruba, man, 'cause otherwise I'd probably be playing soccer or something.
How old were you when you started windsurfing?
Well, my dad taught me when I was 6. We sailed together for two years, but then he hurt his back and stopped. It took four years until I started windsurfing again.
Did you play soccer?
No, I was swimming and playing tennis.
Where on the island did you sail the most?
In front of my house.
Is that near Fisherman's Huts?
No, it's on the south side - flat water, sideshore wind. I didn't start wave sailing until I was 17 or 18, although I always jumped on the flat water. So I went to Boca Grandi a few times and I loved it! It's perfect to learn to wave-sail, especially to jump. That's how it started.
Is there a more challenging spot than Boca?
Westpoint and Baby Beach. On Westpoint, it rarely breaks bigger than logo-high, but when it does, it's perfect! When it's 10 to 12 feet, it's the ideal point break with cross-offshore winds. The best thing about it getting this size is you don't have to worry about the rocks anymore.
So what's Baby Beach like?
Very inconsistent. But when it works, it's awesome for big jumps because you can hit these waves head on at full speed. It's perfect for big back and front loops.
What's the ideal day for you wave sailing on Aruba?
My favorite spot is Westpoint, and anytime I can sail it when it's breaking over 4 feet and while I'm by myself - which still happens all the time - is perfect to me.
Does Westpoint get very crowded?
No, it doesn't, because all three spots are pretty inconsistent. So you have to know when to go. Also, Westpoint has rocks that you have to dodge while riding the waves, and that scares most people away.
How did wave sailing in Aruba prepare you for other spots around the world?
I learned all my basics in Aruba, even wave riding, which to me is the most important part of wave sailing and the most difficult. So, if you're able to do that before you go to a place like Maui, it helps incredibly.
And what's your secret to those clean loops off 2 inches of chop?
I make up an imaginary wave and then just simply jump it.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1283 on: August 08, 2008, 01:07:43 AM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

when did Dave Holloway meet w/ the buddhist psychic
at the VIP club/next door to the Lion's Den?

in his book, his recounting of that meeting
immediately follows his encounter
w/ a guy from TX on june 10
(pgs 45-54)

but it's not clear to me if both encounters
were on the same day

usually the timeline in his book is easy to follow:
the next morning/later that day/the following day/etc

sorta frustrating that I can't determine
when the Lion's Den meeting occurred
and june 10 is the last date mentioned
in those pages

anyone?

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« Reply #1284 on: August 08, 2008, 01:21:51 AM »


something I was told by a guy who worked for a company
which lays submarine/undersea cable systems:
depending on the provider, aruban IPs may appear as
originating in FL (among other locations)

he's a techno-geek kinda guy
and swore up/down he knew this for a fact
before he ever heard of the Natalee Holloway case

I've looked at numerous submarine cable system maps
and seen the loops which exist between aruba/FL
but not sure how to verify which providers use which routes

http://www.kddi.com/english/business/oversea/pdf/kddi_gnm_en.pdf

http://www.iscpc.org/

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« Reply #1285 on: August 08, 2008, 09:32:40 AM »

Jeroen Westrate

http://www.peconicpuffin.com/the_peconic_puffin/2008/02/aruban-wrap-up.html

http://bulado.com/index.php?log_id=130&photo_id=469&related=

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter25.html
snip:
"After Jeroen Westrate's retirement as a professional windsurfer this is the hope for Aruba, he is a potential winner."

MySpace.com - Dennis - 22 - Male - Santa Cruz - www...
Heroes, jeroen westrate and sarah offringa. Dennis's Details. Status: Single. Here for: Friends. Orientation: Straight...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=99296957

http://windsurfingmag.com/article.jsp;jsessionid=72345F4A75131364CA7E0F60A867660A.pa12_windsurfingmag?ID=30917&typeID=100&categoryID=100
snip:
Baby Beach
This is the most recently "discovered" spot. Jeroen Westrate took me there for my first session, and I was glad I had the spot's most seasoned sailor to show me the way.


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.windsurfing/2005-10/msg00059.html
 The best flatwater jumper I've ever heard of is Jeroen Westrate in
>> Aruba. I don't know if he sails there anymore (heard he moved to
>> Europe) but I've sailed behind him and seen him get 8 feet of air off

http://www.yy.co.za/need-love-X2f275c243Ja2t3zH3U2f2H3-south.htm

http://windsurfingmag.com/article.jsp?ID=30916&typeID=100&categoryID=100

April 7, 1999
Interview With Jeroen Westrate
By Dasher
Up-and-coming contenders for the international wave-sailing scene hail from places like Maui and California - domains where big water is king. How then can Aruba sailor Jeroen (pronounced ye-roon) Westrate - a man from a place where flat-water hero jibes are the main fare - be an incredibly talented wave sailor? The answer floats in the surf of Aruba's "other side" and lies deep in the belly of one very determined Arubian sailor. Westrate was quickly snapped up by Robby Naish as a Naish Sails team rider. He was featured in a flat-water loop photo sequence on the July 1995 cover of WindSurfing. His sponsors today include American Airlines and the Arubian government. We caught up with mild-mannered Westrate while he was on the losing side of a game of backgammon.

WindSurfing: Hey Jeroen, how's it goin'?
Westrate: I'm getting my butt kicked again.
Hey, it's just a game. So how can someone so bad at backgammon be so good at wave sailing?
Because backgammon is all about luck.
Were you lucky then to be born in Aruba?
Yeah, I was lucky to be born in Aruba, man, 'cause otherwise I'd probably be playing soccer or something.
How old were you when you started windsurfing?
Well, my dad taught me when I was 6. We sailed together for two years, but then he hurt his back and stopped. It took four years until I started windsurfing again.
Did you play soccer?
No, I was swimming and playing tennis.
Where on the island did you sail the most?
In front of my house.
Is that near Fisherman's Huts?
No, it's on the south side - flat water, sideshore wind. I didn't start wave sailing until I was 17 or 18, although I always jumped on the flat water. So I went to Boca Grandi a few times and I loved it! It's perfect to learn to wave-sail, especially to jump. That's how it started.
Is there a more challenging spot than Boca?
Westpoint and Baby Beach. On Westpoint, it rarely breaks bigger than logo-high, but when it does, it's perfect! When it's 10 to 12 feet, it's the ideal point break with cross-offshore winds. The best thing about it getting this size is you don't have to worry about the rocks anymore.
So what's Baby Beach like?
Very inconsistent. But when it works, it's awesome for big jumps because you can hit these waves head on at full speed. It's perfect for big back and front loops.
What's the ideal day for you wave sailing on Aruba?
My favorite spot is Westpoint, and anytime I can sail it when it's breaking over 4 feet and while I'm by myself - which still happens all the time - is perfect to me.
Does Westpoint get very crowded?
No, it doesn't, because all three spots are pretty inconsistent. So you have to know when to go. Also, Westpoint has rocks that you have to dodge while riding the waves, and that scares most people away.
How did wave sailing in Aruba prepare you for other spots around the world?
I learned all my basics in Aruba, even wave riding, which to me is the most important part of wave sailing and the most difficult. So, if you're able to do that before you go to a place like Maui, it helps incredibly.
And what's your secret to those clean loops off 2 inches of chop?
I make up an imaginary wave and then just simply jump it.




Jeroen…knew I had seen the name before…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg370872#msg370872

« Reply #1033 on: April 04, 2008, 12:48:50 AM »jackb

From the Aruba News News Desk:

Good news for education

The minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision. He then introduced the Director of Part-time Programs at the CHN Leewarden University, Ernest Jonker. The visitor gave a presentation of the local university's new phase of development, namely the introduction of a Part-time Bachelor's degree in hospitality, offered on Aruba to members of hospitality middle management aspiring to accelerate their careers and move into higher management functions.

Apparently, the two local Law and Business/Economics faculties have been doing very well graduating Aruban professionals who find it easy to secure employment once their diplomas are in hand.

During the press conference, the university announced its intention to expand and include hospitality. It partnered with an excellent Dutch learning source. Van Rijn called it the #1 Hotel & Management Training Institute within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It is the University of Professional Education, CHN Leeuwarden, who was willing to develop within three years full time Bachelor and Master programs of hospitality management on the island.

That's really constitutes good news. Tourism is an economic pillar of our community and the ability to get educated right at home, saves cost and allows middle management, people already working in the field, an opportunity they never had before. Studies will be conducted in the classroom and via internet, and the admission criteria are quite high. There are academic requirements, language requirements and mostly the program doesn't come cheap, yet it is a fraction of the effort it takes to educate a tourism professional overseas.

School will start in October, and officials set their sight on 10 candidates, just to break even the first year. Having conquered tourism, the university will in the future also offer an additional academic curriculum, opening a Center of Financial Regulations Studies with short post-graduate courses given to professionals by professionals.

One last detail, the University of Aruba is located in town, adjacent to the San Francisco church, across the post-office. The colonial building is blessed with outstanding architecture, a gorgeous inner patio, and a tranquil fishpond. It is the Caribbean's answer to an old New England boarding school. A perfect learning environment.




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« Reply #1286 on: August 08, 2008, 09:38:06 AM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.

David Fisiitalia, mother's maiden name Weber and worked US Customs...David is all over Joran's book. Explains Ms Jean Akers...and a lot of other things...
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« Reply #1287 on: August 08, 2008, 10:33:44 AM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.

David Fisiitalia, mother's maiden name Weber and worked US Customs...David is all over Joran's book. Explains Ms Jean Akers...and a lot of other things...

So do you think Shango is implying that this David was involved, but never identified as a witness or suspect?  Maybe....The only problem I have right now with applying this David to Shango's David is that I have a lot of doubts about Wee Winky Van Der Sloot using the correct name of anyone who was truly involved if they had not already been spotlighted by either the media or ALE. 

When looking at the Shango post I feel that the use of 'David' may not be the actual name of the person he refers to...just because Shango was never that direct about anything.  I do, however, believe that his use of that name strongly points to a particular individual...you just have to know the connection.  I think Simian did and assumed that many that were reading the FP would know...even if those people were not posting. (FBI, Beth or Dave, etc.)  If Simian believed it was incriminating enough to 'hit back' sotospeak with an angry post, I can't help but believe that it can be figured out.

I ain't givin' up yet.
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« Reply #1288 on: August 08, 2008, 10:37:06 AM »

Yes, Robalo and Shango used the same email address to submit their posts on the FP. 

Well, at the risk of stating the obvious, I assume someone along the way sent emails to that address and got no responses????
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« Reply #1289 on: August 08, 2008, 11:44:21 AM »

Yes, Robalo and Shango used the same email address to submit their posts on the FP. 

Well, at the risk of stating the obvious, I assume someone along the way sent emails to that address and got no responses????

Actually, I just read some old S/S posts and I think Klaas is saying that the posts originated from the same IP address, but different email addresses.
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« Reply #1290 on: August 08, 2008, 12:47:19 PM »


something I was told by a guy who worked for a company
which lays submarine/undersea cable systems:
depending on the provider, aruban IPs may appear as
originating in FL (among other locations)

he's a techno-geek kinda guy
and swore up/down he knew this for a fact
before he ever heard of the Natalee Holloway case

I've looked at numerous submarine cable system maps
and seen the loops which exist between aruba/FL
but not sure how to verify which providers use which routes

http://www.kddi.com/english/business/oversea/pdf/kddi_gnm_en.pdf

http://www.iscpc.org/



Absolutely true!  If you know how to do this and it shows a proxy IP when it happens according to my computer geeky guy that would know because that is his job to do that stuff.  The best way to find out for sure is to call the provider and query them about the actual IP location. 
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« Reply #1291 on: August 08, 2008, 03:11:16 PM »

Yes, Robalo and Shango used the same email address to submit their posts on the FP. 

Well, at the risk of stating the obvious, I assume someone along the way sent emails to that address and got no responses????

Actually, I just read some old S/S posts and I think Klaas is saying that the posts originated from the same IP address, but different email addresses.

You are correct.  Thanks for catching that.  I knew better than to post something when I am tired.  BTW I did email Robalo33...five times...no response...but it didn't bounce back to me...so it must still be a legit addy.  Anyway, I truly have the hardest time placing both Shango and Robalo as one and the same since they are in different cities.  But regardless, we will never know the truth for sure, but this is one reason I have my doubts that they served any purpose other than to distract us from the truth.  Nevertheless, they are a great way to pass time when bored.
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« Reply #1292 on: August 08, 2008, 03:25:29 PM »

Why do you say they are in different cities?
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« Reply #1293 on: August 08, 2008, 05:17:04 PM »

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-r/ss273.htm
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« Reply #1294 on: August 08, 2008, 05:49:55 PM »


Ah!...Fremantle, one of my old stomping grounds!

This was a little before my time though...

Father and son...right?
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« Reply #1295 on: August 08, 2008, 06:07:37 PM »

Why do you say they are in different cities?

Good question.  LOL I guess I should say I thought we were told they were in different cities. Maybe I read it in a convo between one of the FP posters, just like I learned some of the other stuff.  I really can't remember now that you asked me.   Dang!  Truthseeker. I have to be on my toes with you.   

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« Reply #1296 on: August 08, 2008, 06:10:18 PM »

As long as I am confusing the issue...let's remember that Caps thought Alex Mathews could have been Shango.  I think we established the fact that he was not in KIA at the time of the postings.  I would have to go back and find it if anyone is curious. 
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« Reply #1297 on: August 08, 2008, 06:11:14 PM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.

David Fisiitalia, mother's maiden name Weber and worked US Customs...David is all over Joran's book. Explains Ms Jean Akers...and a lot of other things...

David (Dave) Holloway
David Kock (Kalpoe atty)
David Wever (is it spelled Weijer in Nederlands?)
David Stacey (disappearance of Max Devires - 14 yr old staying at Aruba H.I)

My guess is the last one. He came back with scratches on his face (didn't Joran also have scratches?) , and ALE allowed him to take a shower before he met with Max's mom.
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« Reply #1298 on: August 08, 2008, 06:52:45 PM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.

David Fisiitalia, mother's maiden name Weber and worked US Customs...David is all over Joran's book. Explains Ms Jean Akers...and a lot of other things...

David (Dave) Holloway
David Kock (Kalpoe atty)
David Wever (is it spelled Weijer in Nederlands?)
David Stacey (disappearance of Max Devires - 14 yr old staying at Aruba H.I)

My guess is the last one. He came back with scratches on his face (didn't Joran also have scratches?) , and ALE allowed him to take a shower before he met with Max's mom.

What about David Shahriari...now former GM of the Marriott.
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« Reply #1299 on: August 08, 2008, 06:57:50 PM »

Who is David?  That be the question.

My upbringing teaches me that David was the second and greatest king of......Israel.

David Fisiitalia, mother's maiden name Weber and worked US Customs...David is all over Joran's book. Explains Ms Jean Akers...and a lot of other things...

So do you think Shango is implying that this David was involved, but never identified as a witness or suspect?  Maybe....The only problem I have right now with applying this David to Shango's David is that I have a lot of doubts about Wee Winky Van Der Sloot using the correct name of anyone who was truly involved if they had not already been spotlighted by either the media or ALE. 

When looking at the Shango post I feel that the use of 'David' may not be the actual name of the person he refers to...just because Shango was never that direct about anything.  I do, however, believe that his use of that name strongly points to a particular individual...you just have to know the connection.  I think Simian did and assumed that many that were reading the FP would know...even if those people were not posting. (FBI, Beth or Dave, etc.)  If Simian believed it was incriminating enough to 'hit back' sotospeak with an angry post, I can't help but believe that it can be figured out.

I ain't givin' up yet.


Truthseeker…I keep going back and forth with David Fisiitalia? If he was the David, why use his real name? Unless, as I said before…Joran’ is arrogant! Both he and Paulus mentioned the FBI in their PVs in reference to Eric Williams. Joran also mentioned an Agent Smit,((sp) from the US Embassy. Some Embassies do have DEA attached to them, but I am not sure that there were any FBI on Curacao. They are not stationed there for the Caribbean.

Jean Akers is the one that makes me think American. Her being at Joran’s get out of jail party! Then that could be something else. She did her Masters at the University of Amersterdam. I think Geoffrey Wever who works at Croes Wever and Tchong may have been there at the same time. He fits the age that we were told for Guido Wever originally, around 24 at the time. Would have to check old posts on that one.

Poochy mentioned David Wever, supposedly Guido’s brother. All the confusion from Tito with Lorenzo Wever in the beginning. I believe this was deliberate, to hide some-one. Ss found 2 Guido Wevers.

We have lots of Florida connections to this case. A big red flag with me is why were the family or their lawyers were not permitted into the US/Aruba Washington meeting? Chata’s post with the FBI reference set me off all over again…LOL…Then it may be something as simple as political blackmail by Aruba…Forward Operating Posts, Venezuela, Columbia…but I would love to know exactly what Aruba told the US officials in that meeting…

Not giving up either...
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