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« Reply #1340 on: August 10, 2008, 08:38:30 PM »

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:03 pm
The alibi needs to be broken.The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive.The third act will played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power (break alibi)
there will be 46 sacrifices

Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet
, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!


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« Reply #1341 on: August 10, 2008, 09:35:43 PM »

Lala's

I have no issues with whatever your thoughts are regarding Lorenzo.  I have mine and others disagree.  No problem.

My interest in now on Shango.  Shango stopped posting on June 30th, as best I can tell.  Simian chose to take on other nicknames and continue his posting.  Do you know of any other nicknames Shango may have used after June 30th?  If so, do you know if the posts were saved anywhere?

grey whisper loved casino stories too.
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« Reply #1342 on: August 10, 2008, 10:28:40 PM »

Lala's

I have no issues with whatever your thoughts are regarding Lorenzo.  I have mine and others disagree.  No problem.

My interest in now on Shango.  Shango stopped posting on June 30th, as best I can tell.  Simian chose to take on other nicknames and continue his posting.  Do you know of any other nicknames Shango may have used after June 30th?  If so, do you know if the posts were saved anywhere?

grey whisper loved casino stories too.

Confirmed???  Or a quess?
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« Reply #1343 on: August 11, 2008, 12:09:01 AM »


kermit: very nice LvR compilation, thank you

Since some have implied that I have changed my story about Lorenzo...please note that what I have said about Lorenzo being the drug dealer is the same as I said when this post was made.  This is something I have said all along.  Lorenzo was a curious character that is my favorite subject but brings out the wolves on any given day to defend him when he is accused of being the drug supplier and famous party guy. I have yet to understand that.  Also it would be wise to keep in mind that I was told several things at that book signing that I was asked to keep to myself.  One of which was about Natalee and my own daughter.  So for everyone that has told everyone else I have changed my story...thanks TM for posting that. I appreciate it. So, if everyone reads more into what I said and thinks whatever that is fine with me. Our one and only Bondia avoided the subject as well.  She did however jump at the chance to get a photo of Vadir van Loon...that is same person that Beth talks about in her book.  The one Jacobs didn't seem to want anything to do with. Everyone that could be named was dragged through the dirt in Aruba except Lorenzo. Yet, he was arrested for growing marijuana on his property and walks away free and clear.  What kind of leverage is that?  Was Lorenzo working undercover for someone?   Was that why Babalu said "he could not be touched"?  I will maintain from things I have been told by those close to this case that Lorenzo was the "pimps" big time dealer. 

boy, do I remember that night!

bondia/Julia "volunteered" to look for the painted rocks ...
not surprisingly, came back w/:
I couldn't find the rocks but I did see this person
(posted photo of Vadir) ...
fronted off like she didn't know who he was

said he took her photo while she was taking his  Rolling Eyes

didn't some research along the way indicate that
Julia/Vadir were friends and/or business associates ...
something to do w/ water sports rentals?

also this, to GinoX from a poster
at the aruba speed shop forum/early june 2005
and translated from papi

aruba speed shop owner/Maxito Arendsz
speed shop forum webmaster/Andry Lopez aka Peeps
(who brought us LvR-in-crazy-painted-van photo)

What puzzled me was when I read a couple of days ago that they searched Joran's at his house.

But this house looks a lot like Lorenzo's house in Jaraweg/Sav.


Finngirl…

There is another post either on the FP or at RWV that says this same thing?  It is referring to the arrest/non arrest of June 11th. The poster said that it was the same house as one of the other suspects was arrested at.

I am reading 6/11 FP now and if I don’t see it there I will check at RWV. Remember the rumors that Joran was staying at Lorenzo’s?…picked up for school on the way to his house?

very interesting ...
cuz the speed shop forum was under the radar
(as far as american posters being aware of it)
early in june when that JvdS/LvR post was made


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« Reply #1344 on: August 11, 2008, 11:19:34 AM »


kermit: very nice LvR compilation, thank you

Since some have implied that I have changed my story about Lorenzo...please note that what I have said about Lorenzo being the drug dealer is the same as I said when this post was made.  This is something I have said all along.  Lorenzo was a curious character that is my favorite subject but brings out the wolves on any given day to defend him when he is accused of being the drug supplier and famous party guy. I have yet to understand that.  Also it would be wise to keep in mind that I was told several things at that book signing that I was asked to keep to myself.  One of which was about Natalee and my own daughter.  So for everyone that has told everyone else I have changed my story...thanks TM for posting that. I appreciate it. So, if everyone reads more into what I said and thinks whatever that is fine with me. Our one and only Bondia avoided the subject as well.  She did however jump at the chance to get a photo of Vadir van Loon...that is same person that Beth talks about in her book.  The one Jacobs didn't seem to want anything to do with. Everyone that could be named was dragged through the dirt in Aruba except Lorenzo. Yet, he was arrested for growing marijuana on his property and walks away free and clear.  What kind of leverage is that?  Was Lorenzo working undercover for someone?   Was that why Babalu said "he could not be touched"?  I will maintain from things I have been told by those close to this case that Lorenzo was the "pimps" big time dealer. 

boy, do I remember that night!

bondia/Julia "volunteered" to look for the painted rocks ...
not surprisingly, came back w/:
I couldn't find the rocks but I did see this person
(posted photo of Vadir) ...
fronted off like she didn't know who he was

said he took her photo while she was taking his  Rolling Eyes

didn't some research along the way indicate that
Julia/Vadir were friends and/or business associates ...
something to do w/ water sports rentals?

also this, to GinoX from a poster
at the aruba speed shop forum/early june 2005
and translated from papi

aruba speed shop owner/Maxito Arendsz
speed shop forum webmaster/Andry Lopez aka Peeps
(who brought us LvR-in-crazy-painted-van photo)

What puzzled me was when I read a couple of days ago that they searched Joran's at his house.

But this house looks a lot like Lorenzo's house in Jaraweg/Sav.


Finngirl…

There is another post either on the FP or at RWV that says this same thing?  It is referring to the arrest/non arrest of June 11th. The poster said that it was the same house as one of the other suspects was arrested at.

I am reading 6/11 FP now and if I don’t see it there I will check at RWV. Remember the rumors that Joran was staying at Lorenzo’s?…picked up for school on the way to his house?

very interesting ...
cuz the speed shop forum was under the radar
(as far as american posters being aware of it)
early in june when that JvdS/LvR post was made




Finn...trying to read a FP post/comments every couple of days...if it is not on SM, I will try and find it at RWV.  I have an idea that may have been where I read it. Thanks for the info on the speed shop forum...

I have some thoughts on the "News" coming out of Aruba. Jairo told posters to watch MSNBC...said they were partners with ATV...who were good as investigative reporters. Geraldo left around 6/14 or 6/15...porn movie announcement was aired 6/14...not discussed again until August. Will have to check on the exact date, but CNN stopped covering Natalee's story around 6/25, when Bob Costas refused to do a show on it. Nancy still followed it. CNN was hanging onto the "Something Bad Happened' story on 6/11. Aruba has CNN and only has Fox if you have a dish. So most in Aruba saw CNN...I think CNN and Fox had better sources. Not like MSNBC who were given there stories by ATV. I don't mean sources like Julia, Tito and Jossy...I mean real information sources. The confidential type. No matter how big the cover-up there will always be leaks.  It was even commented on the FP that there were no leaks early on! That by one of the Aruban posters. Heck, you hear stuff in the hotel lobby!

Is this why so many Aruban posters were slamming CNN and Fox...to counter the "bits" of real info they found? The confession, Something Bad happened, the porn movie, the alibi -Max Arends.

IIRC the Strategic Group was formed early. Was this before CNN left...Why did CNN leave...maybe they would have lost their contract if they stayed.

The only thing I recall with MSNBC was the prison video of Joran which they were not allowed to show. Just started thinking about this since I started on the FP and need to check some dates...if the info is still out there...
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« Reply #1345 on: August 11, 2008, 11:40:08 AM »

Lala's

I have no issues with whatever your thoughts are regarding Lorenzo.  I have mine and others disagree.  No problem.

My interest in now on Shango.  Shango stopped posting on June 30th, as best I can tell.  Simian chose to take on other nicknames and continue his posting.  Do you know of any other nicknames Shango may have used after June 30th?  If so, do you know if the posts were saved anywhere?

grey whisper loved casino stories too.

Confirmed???  Or a quess?

Very little in the Shango thread is confirmed.  That is why it's a speculation thread. LOL  I should have placed a question mark at the end of my post. LOL
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« Reply #1346 on: August 11, 2008, 01:21:18 PM »

Lala's

I have no issues with whatever your thoughts are regarding Lorenzo.  I have mine and others disagree.  No problem.

My interest in now on Shango.  Shango stopped posting on June 30th, as best I can tell.  Simian chose to take on other nicknames and continue his posting.  Do you know of any other nicknames Shango may have used after June 30th?  If so, do you know if the posts were saved anywhere?

grey whisper loved casino stories too.

Confirmed???  Or a quess?

Very little in the Shango thread is confirmed.  That is why it's a speculation thread. LOL  I should have placed a question mark at the end of my post. LOL

The reason I asked that is beacuse we were able to match Simian/Merian/Baboon, etc together.  I did not know if someone had been able to do that with Shango and the Grey Whisperer.
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« Reply #1347 on: August 11, 2008, 03:24:21 PM »

Grey Whisper could have been anyone.  I don't think he was Simian/Merian. There are other cryptic posters such as Checkme, Shock, and various others from Aruba that could have been Grey Whisper.  I think his first post was a reference to gambling, wasn't it? Now, why is he talking  about FREDDY too? HMMMMMM.  Even Grey Whisper is agreeing with comments about the present government in his posts.  He seemed to be repeating things already known.  I am guessing again...nothing but speculation on my part.

the grey whisper said...
is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers/////

texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05

who are the other guests at that charade?


the grey whisper said...
simian and koko are just as their handles imply- low level primates making noise to distract... the real players at this masquerade ball are smarter, but less deft of foot than they may believe.

Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower? The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no prince charming.


the grey whisper said...
He thrusts his fists into the posts but still insists he sees the ghosts.

Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they?


the grey whisper said...
the talisman in his hand is running out of charms. the broomsticks are enchanted, but their master may regret the dance now that it has been set in motion

the grey whisper said...
just came back from an out of country location where i could not use the internet without unwanted results. tell me, is the cricket ready to chirp?

the grey whisper said...
Touche, my old friend. I believe that you are an old spirit 'Lion Hunter' and as such understand well what it takes to fell one...

Others are not so in-tune, they've never realized that their 'answer lies on the whispering wind'. The question, for the love of God is will they ever listen to the truths before them?

the grey whisper said...
the calm sometimes belies the storm on the horizon. The watchmen keep their vigil.

the grey whisper said...
All may not be as quiet as it seems. The house band plays a merry tango, but who has space on their dance card?

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« Reply #1348 on: August 11, 2008, 03:27:13 PM »


kermit: very nice LvR compilation, thank you

Since some have implied that I have changed my story about Lorenzo...please note that what I have said about Lorenzo being the drug dealer is the same as I said when this post was made.  This is something I have said all along.  Lorenzo was a curious character that is my favorite subject but brings out the wolves on any given day to defend him when he is accused of being the drug supplier and famous party guy. I have yet to understand that.  Also it would be wise to keep in mind that I was told several things at that book signing that I was asked to keep to myself.  One of which was about Natalee and my own daughter.  So for everyone that has told everyone else I have changed my story...thanks TM for posting that. I appreciate it. So, if everyone reads more into what I said and thinks whatever that is fine with me. Our one and only Bondia avoided the subject as well.  She did however jump at the chance to get a photo of Vadir van Loon...that is same person that Beth talks about in her book.  The one Jacobs didn't seem to want anything to do with. Everyone that could be named was dragged through the dirt in Aruba except Lorenzo. Yet, he was arrested for growing marijuana on his property and walks away free and clear.  What kind of leverage is that?  Was Lorenzo working undercover for someone?   Was that why Babalu said "he could not be touched"?  I will maintain from things I have been told by those close to this case that Lorenzo was the "pimps" big time dealer. 

boy, do I remember that night!

bondia/Julia "volunteered" to look for the painted rocks ...
not surprisingly, came back w/:
I couldn't find the rocks but I did see this person
(posted photo of Vadir) ...
fronted off like she didn't know who he was

said he took her photo while she was taking his  Rolling Eyes

didn't some research along the way indicate that
Julia/Vadir were friends and/or business associates ...
something to do w/ water sports rentals?

also this, to GinoX from a poster
at the aruba speed shop forum/early june 2005
and translated from papi

aruba speed shop owner/Maxito Arendsz
speed shop forum webmaster/Andry Lopez aka Peeps
(who brought us LvR-in-crazy-painted-van photo)

What puzzled me was when I read a couple of days ago that they searched Joran's at his house.

But this house looks a lot like Lorenzo's house in Jaraweg/Sav.


Finngirl…

There is another post either on the FP or at RWV that says this same thing?  It is referring to the arrest/non arrest of June 11th. The poster said that it was the same house as one of the other suspects was arrested at.

I am reading 6/11 FP now and if I don’t see it there I will check at RWV. Remember the rumors that Joran was staying at Lorenzo’s?…picked up for school on the way to his house?

very interesting ...
cuz the speed shop forum was under the radar
(as far as american posters being aware of it)
early in june when that JvdS/LvR post was made




Yes, Finn.  You are right. Julia only talked about those that were easily vindicated as innocent should they have been accused.  She knew how to play it for sure. I hated those nights with her in the cage.  I became a barfdoll because of her and SandraK.  LOL 
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« Reply #1349 on: August 11, 2008, 03:58:26 PM »

Finn...trying to read a FP post/comments every couple of days...if it is not on SM, I will try and find it at RWV.  I have an idea that may have been where I read it. Thanks for the info on the speed shop forum...

I have some thoughts on the "News" coming out of Aruba. Jairo told posters to watch MSNBC...said they were partners with ATV...who were good as investigative reporters. Geraldo left around 6/14 or 6/15...porn movie announcement was aired 6/14...not discussed again until August. Will have to check on the exact date, but CNN stopped covering Natalee's story around 6/25, when Bob Costas refused to do a show on it. Nancy still followed it. CNN was hanging onto the "Something Bad Happened' story on 6/11. Aruba has CNN and only has Fox if you have a dish. So most in Aruba saw CNN...I think CNN and Fox had better sources. Not like MSNBC who were given there stories by ATV. I don't mean sources like Julia, Tito and Jossy...I mean real information sources. The confidential type. No matter how big the cover-up there will always be leaks.  It was even commented on the FP that there were no leaks early on! That by one of the Aruban posters. Heck, you hear stuff in the hotel lobby!

Is this why so many Aruban posters were slamming CNN and Fox...to counter the "bits" of real info they found? The confession, Something Bad happened, the porn movie, the alibi -Max Arends.

IIRC the Strategic Group was formed early. Was this before CNN left...Why did CNN leave...maybe they would have lost their contract if they stayed.

The only thing I recall with MSNBC was the prison video of Joran which they were not allowed to show. Just started thinking about this since I started on the FP and need to check some dates...if the info is still out there...

Mum, I had this part of an article from T4N saved regarding the Strategic Message Design Group.

In June of 2005, Robert DiLella and Stephen Cohen (SMDG) met with the Aruba Tourism Hotel Authority (ATHA) and the Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA) in order to create the Strategic Communications Task Force (SCTF). SCTF’s mission was to control the media coverage of the Natalee Holloway case. Members of the Steering Committee for this Task Force included many of the Island’s most influential people who were all heavily invested in Government or tourism. This fact goes a long way toward tying up loose ends in relevance to the dissemination of information in Natalee’s case and the attack on the media.

DiLella and Cohen went to work immediately taking action in their efforts to restrain the media wildfire that had besieged Aruba. First, they decided to drastically increase the fee charged to news organizations for using Aruba’s satellite uplink facilities. Secondly, a decision was made and acted upon to place stringent restrictions on the flow of media equipment coming into the island airport. The idea was to control all the electronic equipment belonging to foreign media representatives and journalists. In controlling the flow of electronic equipment, the operators would have less to work with, making it harder and in some cases impossible to report Natalee’s story. The plot to stop access to media equipment caused havoc and delay and resulted in success for SMDG. There was a noticeable decrease in journalists and media passing through the airport gates. After all, how could you report a story without your equipment? Journalists and media representatives were watched by ALE and others.  In hindsight, it is clear this plan was implemented to minimize the journalistic and media coverage of Natalee’s case. Crisis management was in full force and control on the Island of Aruba. The Natalee Holloway raging wildfire was soon to be reduced to a smolder.
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« Reply #1350 on: August 11, 2008, 06:10:03 PM »

I wonder how much money they made in Aruba from the media wildfire?  I bet they would love to have that kind of money coming in right about now.  Be careful what you wish for!
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« Reply #1351 on: August 11, 2008, 06:36:25 PM »

Thanks Kermit...According to Joran's book he was transferred from Noord to KIA on 6/20. Was Jacobs at Noord? Is this where most of the witnesses were questioned?

Dennis Jacobs had them at the Bulbai station. In fact, Dennis Jacobs was with Joran, got out of the car I believe when he was taken to do his DNA tests. Go through the videos again, don't blink, and you'll see Dennis Jacobs unmistakable figure several times. Paulus was taken to Noord I believe.


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« Reply #1352 on: August 11, 2008, 06:47:38 PM »

Lala's

I have no issues with whatever your thoughts are regarding Lorenzo.  I have mine and others disagree.  No problem.

My interest in now on Shango.  Shango stopped posting on June 30th, as best I can tell.  Simian chose to take on other nicknames and continue his posting.  Do you know of any other nicknames Shango may have used after June 30th?  If so, do you know if the posts were saved anywhere?

grey whisper loved casino stories too.

Confirmed???  Or a quess?

Very little in the Shango thread is confirmed.  That is why it's a speculation thread. LOL  I should have placed a question mark at the end of my post. LOL

The reason I asked that is beacuse we were able to match Simian/Merian/Baboon, etc together.  I did not know if someone had been able to do that with Shango and the Grey Whisperer.

Here's the complete dialogue of GreyWhisper on 'Dan in Tx" blogspot where Grey posted:

the grey whisper said...
we all know the export is not the drugs, texan. find the real export in the middle of the island and you will find the answers you seek
the grey whisper said...
texan, the answer lies at the roulette table.
3:45 PM

Dan in Tx said...
So Shango said, whisper.
"Ask the dicemen who roll" what happened to Mary. I shall have to look over all of Shango's posts again and see if my interpretation of him has changed since last June.
Shango also asked, "Do the Babylonians make movies?", which is interesting because I've heard several accusations that Freddy Arambatzis films these parties (one such accuser was Jossy Mansur), and that leads me to wonder why, in the leaked transcripts, why did K2 say that Freddy needed to come clean?
I wonder...who did Freddy work for? Wait a minute- doesn't Michael Posner have a rap sheet that includes prostitution charges in Chicago?
7:16 AM

the grey whisper said...
is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers/////
texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?
3:20 PM

Dan in Tx said...
Whisper, your posts intrigue me quite a bit. My blog e-mail is xxxx@yahoo.com; by all means feel free to use it.
Remember, right now all we need is the name of who Natalee was with after Joran and the Kalpoes...we are certain they are not the end of the trail!
4:05 PM

Anonymous said...
Grey Whisper
Who was at the roulette table? and did Guido work that table?
6:33 PM

Anonymous said...
Grey Whisper:
Simian also spoke of the casino...care to interpret for me?
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
6:36 PM

Anonymous said...
Grey Whisper:
Care to tell what happened on June 1, 2005 (01 06 05)?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't a croupier sweep the dice with the stick after they are rolled?
4:52 PM

the grey whisper said...
texan, never mind the monkeys- their dance is that of les innocents..
7:41 AM

Dan in Tx said...
So Shango and Simian don't know what they're talking about?
9:09 AM

the grey whisper said...
who's really to say, texan.. like your old amusing friend Koko, they are all really just someone's wind-up toy, aren't they?
whose purse was covering the spread at the tables that night? you never win when your opponent has three black aces up his sleeve
1:21 PM

Anonymous said...
are you merien or simian? http://fan.ashke.nu/innocents/ http://www.moviesunlimited.com/musite/product.asp?sku=D39571++
2:46 PM

Anonymous said...
grey whisper, would the real export be porn videos?
7:17 PM

Anonymous said...
Grey Whisper:
You said:
whose purse was covering the spread at the tables that night? you never win when your opponent has three black aces up his sleeve
There are only two black aces in a deck, could these be "black" people you speak of? First Roulette, then the croupier from craps and now cards....
you said it was freddy's purse....
7:27 PM

Dan in Tx said...
So Whisper is a Koko fan eh? Or does Koko have a doppelganger like Simian did? Koko isn't welcome here so let's hope not.
The real export is porn...or girls...or both.
So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.
6:21 AM

Anonymous said...
grey whisper, were the boys back in the casino on June 1? Did Freddy have alot of money to spend? Was he paid for a job he did? Filming perhaps? Was the roulette manager crooked and cheating? June 1st they boys were questioned by the police is this where the charade begins with the ALE?
8:28 AM

the grey whisper said...
simian and koko are just as their handles imply- low level primates making noise to distract... the real players at this masquerade ball are smarter, but less deft of foot than they may believe.
Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower? The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no prince charming.
3:40 PM

the croupier said...
I have a feeling that the whisper is about to start hollering and think that would be his own fool's errand.
4:49 PM

Anonymous said...
come on whisper holler if you want too. lead to gold eh? i believe i know who you are talking about.
3:48 PM

Anonymous said...
What is it croupier that you don't wish grey whisper to reveal? Are you afraid that he would expose the fetid underbelly of the island before it sinks?
4:11 PM

Anonymous said...
loaded dice(lead) means money(gold)sentries at the watchtower are the keepers of the casino video system? guido=prince charming
does gvcs dad over see those cameras?
did the little pimps have a thing going to win at the casino? freddys purse was covered by cheating.. guido covered it. was this it or was this a cover to make drug money earnings look like money won at the casino? croupier looks upset.
6:49 PM

Anonymous said...
is the real export laundered money?
6:50 PM

Anonymous said...
is croupier threatening to make grey whisper holler? holler hmmm sounds like a more southern term than one would use in aruba.
6:52 PM

Anonymous said...
is it possible nats cousing george discovered they were cheating and threatened to tell? they said she owed them money to make up for money maybe they lost. so they took her for this reason?
7:32 PM

the grey whisper said...
He thrusts his fists into the posts but still insists he sees the ghosts.
Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they?
8:33 AM

chauncy redding said...
grey whisper, ignore the croupier. once you come out with your words of wisdom i think he'll be the silent one!
12:37 PM

Anonymous said...
Are there crickets in Aruba? Or do they play cricket there, maybe??? Is there grass near Joran's house or is it on a beach?
Did Joran play cricket? If so, who are his team mates?
3:18 PM

Dan in Tx said...
I think crickets chirping means somebody will have to talk eventually. Care to shed some light on this, Whisper?
8:25 AM

REWEIGHS said...
FREDDY'S MONEY TURNED TO GOLD ON 060105. HE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THE SPREAD ON THE ROULETTE TABLE KNOWING GUIDO'S "LEAD FOOT," WOULD ENSURE THE WINNINGS ON BLACK. THERE WAS TAPE BUT WHERE IS THE TAPE NOW?
2:31 PM

the grey whisper said...
the talisman in his hand is running out of charms. the broomsticks are enchanted, but their master may regret the dance now that it has been set in motion
3:15 PM

Anonymous said...
Satish is the one alleged to have seen ghosts...I thought Joran was the one who punched posts? Satish may have to talk soon....dutch forensics team has verified skeeter's tape of deepak's interview.
7:57 PM

Anonymous said...
Grey whisper, Is Satish the cricket who will chirp?

Another question whats up with David Wever 19, Is he the david that left the den alive? very interesting person and some interesting friends.
8:03 PM

Anonymous said...
who is the talisman, grey whisper? one of the suspects whos luck is running out? Joran, Freddy,Deepak, Satish? Are the broomsticks the supporters of corruption, the ALE? Jorans little pimp group? They set this little dance in motion and Papa aided. How can it be stopped?
8:41 PM

the grey whisper said...
just came back from an out of country location where i could not use the internet without unwanted results. tell me, is the cricket ready to chirp?
1:14 PM

Dan in Tx said...
No such luck, Whisper, but apparently Oduber is ready to thumb his nose on the Netherlands and become Hugo Chavez's new best friend.
That cricket won't chirp until someone catches him and pulls off his legs and makes him chirp. Not going to happen while lions control the government, Whisper. What I want to know is when will the Arawaks realize that even enough small spears will kill lions?
3:27 PM

the grey whisper said...
Touche, my old friend. I believe that you are an old spirit 'Lion Hunter' and as such understand well what it takes to fell one...
Others are not so in-tune, they've never realized that their 'answer lies on the whispering wind'. The question, for the love of God is will they ever listen to the truths before them?
1:45 AM

Anonymous said...
Crickets can't chirp if you pull their legs off, that is what produces the chirping sound, the male cricket rubbing his legs together. The real question is are they protecting an arawak or a dutchie?
5:46 AM

Dan in Tx said...
Whisper, the Arawak have THEIR wagons circled, and they just want the cowboys to forget about our lost, beloved Mary. They don't know that Mary is a household name among the cowboys- and I think the Babylonians want to keep THAT truth from them as well.
It is important that the Arubans realize that Oduber and the MEP are doing them no favors- but how do we tell them that the Americans are their allies and only want Natalee found- which will not happen until the government and ALE are purged of corruption by whatever means necessary? The Arubans will be much better off with Oduber and his lapdogs removed.
I think that is how you hunt lions- take away their protectors and let the lion-hunting cowboys take over.
3:23 PM

Anonymous said...
Here's a novel idea. Grey Whisper, why don't you just tell us in plain understable words what it is that we don't see, so we can put this to rest and Aruba can get on with its life, as can the rest of us?
You have to have patience to hunt lions, and mine disappeared at the year mark. There is something respectable about being forthright, don't you think?
3:52 PM

Anonymous said...
Koen is the cricket. He needs to stop crying in his parents' bed and to start chirping.
7:24 PM

Dan in Tx said...
Or maybe it is Joran or Freddy the child molester?
Whisper- is this cricket of a native species or imported from elsewhere?
8:07 AM

Dan in Tx said...
I'm going on vacation this week, Whisper. Don't get discouraged if I don't post your clues in that time.
4:33 PM

Anonymous said...
Aruba has a government? When did this happen? lol Blue
7:13 PM

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« Reply #1353 on: August 11, 2008, 09:39:31 PM »

Finn...trying to read a FP post/comments every couple of days...if it is not on SM, I will try and find it at RWV.  I have an idea that may have been where I read it. Thanks for the info on the speed shop forum...

I have some thoughts on the "News" coming out of Aruba. Jairo told posters to watch MSNBC...said they were partners with ATV...who were good as investigative reporters. Geraldo left around 6/14 or 6/15...porn movie announcement was aired 6/14...not discussed again until August. Will have to check on the exact date, but CNN stopped covering Natalee's story around 6/25, when Bob Costas refused to do a show on it. Nancy still followed it. CNN was hanging onto the "Something Bad Happened' story on 6/11. Aruba has CNN and only has Fox if you have a dish. So most in Aruba saw CNN...I think CNN and Fox had better sources. Not like MSNBC who were given there stories by ATV. I don't mean sources like Julia, Tito and Jossy...I mean real information sources. The confidential type. No matter how big the cover-up there will always be leaks.  It was even commented on the FP that there were no leaks early on! That by one of the Aruban posters. Heck, you hear stuff in the hotel lobby!

Is this why so many Aruban posters were slamming CNN and Fox...to counter the "bits" of real info they found? The confession, Something Bad happened, the porn movie, the alibi -Max Arends.

IIRC the Strategic Group was formed early. Was this before CNN left...Why did CNN leave...maybe they would have lost their contract if they stayed.

The only thing I recall with MSNBC was the prison video of Joran which they were not allowed to show. Just started thinking about this since I started on the FP and need to check some dates...if the info is still out there...

Mum, I had this part of an article from T4N saved regarding the Strategic Message Design Group.

In June of 2005, Robert DiLella and Stephen Cohen (SMDG) met with the Aruba Tourism Hotel Authority (ATHA) and the Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA) in order to create the Strategic Communications Task Force (SCTF). SCTF’s mission was to control the media coverage of the Natalee Holloway case. Members of the Steering Committee for this Task Force included many of the Island’s most influential people who were all heavily invested in Government or tourism. This fact goes a long way toward tying up loose ends in relevance to the dissemination of information in Natalee’s case and the attack on the media.

DiLella and Cohen went to work immediately taking action in their efforts to restrain the media wildfire that had besieged Aruba. First, they decided to drastically increase the fee charged to news organizations for using Aruba’s satellite uplink facilities. Secondly, a decision was made and acted upon to place stringent restrictions on the flow of media equipment coming into the island airport. The idea was to control all the electronic equipment belonging to foreign media representatives and journalists. In controlling the flow of electronic equipment, the operators would have less to work with, making it harder and in some cases impossible to report Natalee’s story. The plot to stop access to media equipment caused havoc and delay and resulted in success for SMDG. There was a noticeable decrease in journalists and media passing through the airport gates. After all, how could you report a story without your equipment? Journalists and media representatives were watched by ALE and others.  In hindsight, it is clear this plan was implemented to minimize the journalistic and media coverage of Natalee’s case. Crisis management was in full force and control on the Island of Aruba. The Natalee Holloway raging wildfire was soon to be reduced to a smolder.


Thanks Pita...Crisis Management???  They didn't want the truth to get out...
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« Reply #1354 on: August 11, 2008, 09:43:07 PM »

Thanks Kermit...According to Joran's book he was transferred from Noord to KIA on 6/20. Was Jacobs at Noord? Is this where most of the witnesses were questioned?

Dennis Jacobs had them at the Bulbai station. In fact, Dennis Jacobs was with Joran, got out of the car I believe when he was taken to do his DNA tests. Go through the videos again, don't blink, and you'll see Dennis Jacobs unmistakable figure several times. Paulus was taken to Noord I believe.





Thanks Kermit...Jacobs again...Look hard at anyone and everyone he questioned....

 If Joran says up, it's down....
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« Reply #1355 on: August 12, 2008, 04:43:25 AM »

Finn...trying to read a FP post/comments every couple of days...if it is not on SM, I will try and find it at RWV.  I have an idea that may have been where I read it. Thanks for the info on the speed shop forum...

I have some thoughts on the "News" coming out of Aruba. Jairo told posters to watch MSNBC...said they were partners with ATV...who were good as investigative reporters. Geraldo left around 6/14 or 6/15...porn movie announcement was aired 6/14...not discussed again until August. Will have to check on the exact date, but CNN stopped covering Natalee's story around 6/25, when Bob Costas refused to do a show on it. Nancy still followed it. CNN was hanging onto the "Something Bad Happened' story on 6/11. Aruba has CNN and only has Fox if you have a dish. So most in Aruba saw CNN...I think CNN and Fox had better sources. Not like MSNBC who were given there stories by ATV. I don't mean sources like Julia, Tito and Jossy...I mean real information sources. The confidential type. No matter how big the cover-up there will always be leaks.  It was even commented on the FP that there were no leaks early on! That by one of the Aruban posters. Heck, you hear stuff in the hotel lobby!

Is this why so many Aruban posters were slamming CNN and Fox...to counter the "bits" of real info they found? The confession, Something Bad happened, the porn movie, the alibi -Max Arends.

IIRC the Strategic Group was formed early. Was this before CNN left...Why did CNN leave...maybe they would have lost their contract if they stayed.

The only thing I recall with MSNBC was the prison video of Joran which they were not allowed to show. Just started thinking about this since I started on the FP and need to check some dates...if the info is still out there...

Mum, I had this part of an article from T4N saved regarding the Strategic Message Design Group.

In June of 2005, Robert DiLella and Stephen Cohen (SMDG) met with the Aruba Tourism Hotel Authority (ATHA) and the Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA) in order to create the Strategic Communications Task Force (SCTF). SCTF’s mission was to control the media coverage of the Natalee Holloway case. Members of the Steering Committee for this Task Force included many of the Island’s most influential people who were all heavily invested in Government or tourism. This fact goes a long way toward tying up loose ends in relevance to the dissemination of information in Natalee’s case and the attack on the media.

DiLella and Cohen went to work immediately taking action in their efforts to restrain the media wildfire that had besieged Aruba. First, they decided to drastically increase the fee charged to news organizations for using Aruba’s satellite uplink facilities. Secondly, a decision was made and acted upon to place stringent restrictions on the flow of media equipment coming into the island airport. The idea was to control all the electronic equipment belonging to foreign media representatives and journalists. In controlling the flow of electronic equipment, the operators would have less to work with, making it harder and in some cases impossible to report Natalee’s story. The plot to stop access to media equipment caused havoc and delay and resulted in success for SMDG. There was a noticeable decrease in journalists and media passing through the airport gates. After all, how could you report a story without your equipment? Journalists and media representatives were watched by ALE and others.  In hindsight, it is clear this plan was implemented to minimize the journalistic and media coverage of Natalee’s case. Crisis management was in full force and control on the Island of Aruba. The Natalee Holloway raging wildfire was soon to be reduced to a smolder.


Thanks Pita...Crisis Management???  They didn't want the truth to get out...

CNN ran the documentary about the choller houses and prostitution on June 10, 2005.  Previous to this, all the video of Aruba was beaches and sun.  IMO, this film was a turning point.
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« Reply #1356 on: August 12, 2008, 09:40:03 AM »

Buckeye you are right!  It was all tumbling down at that point.  The media was beginning to shed the light on their little secret of drugs and addicts and prostitution. They didn't care if you knew about the gambling...that is why you were there...to gamble in the casinos. It was the seedy underbelly that when exposed told the true story of life on that rock.  It exposed the nature of the beast they had been trying to tame and when they increased all those fees the world knew there was something they didn't want told....too bad!  Now everyone knows.
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« Reply #1357 on: August 12, 2008, 09:54:19 AM »

Hmmm!...What did Merian say about more people disappearing in this case?

Freddy...What did you do with your Mom...Where is Lilian Arambatzis-Rodriguez...on the Chamber list since 2004, now gone...

And this one is supposed to be in a US jail, but she can still run her business?

RODRIGUEZ TEJADA RAMONA DEL CARMEN

http://www.arubachamber.com/Voterslst/Website-KIEZERSLIJST%20KB%202008-2009.htm


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« Reply #1358 on: August 12, 2008, 10:02:21 AM »

A better question is why would you need to remove names at this point?
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« Reply #1359 on: August 12, 2008, 10:16:27 AM »

A better question is why would you need to remove names at this point?


I have asked before how Lilian went from the Bubali S.C. to her School Foundation, at Montanja 62?? Would I love to see the records from before 2004/2005...and now we can't even see the new Chamber Board of directors...can't log in!!! A hidden Chamber of Commerce Board...

Things are not always as they appear...JMO
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