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« Reply #1420 on: August 17, 2008, 10:46:41 AM »

Well, let me try this again. LOL

I know that she gives her email out to AG or one of the Aruban posters in a comment on the FP.  OR it could be in the forum posts called Rumors of Breaking news.  Either way it's a lot to dig through.  I had it saved once, but can't find it now.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vii/

138.  NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
CancunMole, Look for me in one of the Renaissance Mall Stores….
m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Bini to aruba;)

Btw…..where did everybody from tripadvisor go?

Mum, same link:

134. NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:32 am
Gajin…your feelings are totally understandible……I’m an Aruban…..and a mother of 3 girls……




So what does the "M" stand for?  Margaret?  Marilyn?  Melissa?  Mildred? Michelle?  I could go on and on.  According to Mrs. Red it is not Marrianne.  I mean the Marrianne as in the OM office.

You mentioned the email address and I found it for you...that's all....Mum & I were thinking since NativeLingo echoed Charles words in her post then maybe she was his 2nd wife, but I know they have a younger son, and the 3 girls post blew that for me.  Have no idea what Natives name could be, just threw the info out there and, personally, never thought she was Marianne.   Will do a little more searching to see what I can come up with.
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« Reply #1421 on: August 17, 2008, 12:50:04 PM »

Well, let me try this again. LOL

I know that she gives her email out to AG or one of the Aruban posters in a comment on the FP.  OR it could be in the forum posts called Rumors of Breaking news.  Either way it's a lot to dig through.  I had it saved once, but can't find it now.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vii/

138.  NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
CancunMole, Look for me in one of the Renaissance Mall Stores….
m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Bini to aruba;)

Btw…..where did everybody from tripadvisor go?

Mum, same link:

134. NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:32 am
Gajin…your feelings are totally understandible……I’m an Aruban…..and a mother of 3 girls……




So what does the "M" stand for?  Margaret?  Marilyn?  Melissa?  Mildred? Michelle?  I could go on and on.  According to Mrs. Red it is not Marrianne.  I mean the Marrianne as in the OM office.

   I spent some time in the Chamber of Commerce search and had to take a break.....white pages has a load of M. Croes...not help.

http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=croes+m&page=1
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« Reply #1422 on: August 17, 2008, 01:08:09 PM »

The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post
 

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/PALFREY.html



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« Reply #1423 on: August 17, 2008, 01:10:24 PM »

to spare the polis, spare the teepees:

excerpt from above:

"Palfrey’s note used a number of clichéd expressions, strangely including modern day lynching, a darkly ironic reference to her impending manner of death, and also apparently referring to the extremely selective enforcement - they tried to destroy her life, while sparing all of the politically powerful elite who used her services - that found her guilty in federal court of racketeering and money laundering in connection with her operation of an escort service that catered to Washington insiders."

hand holding it dirty too-indeed.......
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« Reply #1424 on: August 17, 2008, 01:33:52 PM »

Well, let me try this again. LOL

I know that she gives her email out to AG or one of the Aruban posters in a comment on the FP.  OR it could be in the forum posts called Rumors of Breaking news.  Either way it's a lot to dig through.  I had it saved once, but can't find it now.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vii/

138.  NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
CancunMole, Look for me in one of the Renaissance Mall Stores….
m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Bini to aruba;)

Btw…..where did everybody from tripadvisor go?

Mum, same link:

134. NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:32 am
Gajin…your feelings are totally understandible……I’m an Aruban…..and a mother of 3 girls……




So what does the "M" stand for?  Margaret?  Marilyn?  Melissa?  Mildred? Michelle?  I could go on and on.  According to Mrs. Red it is not Marrianne.  I mean the Marrianne as in the OM office.

You mentioned the email address and I found it for you...that's all....Mum & I were thinking since NativeLingo echoed Charles words in her post then maybe she was his 2nd wife, but I know they have a younger son, and the 3 girls post blew that for me.  Have no idea what Natives name could be, just threw the info out there and, personally, never thought she was Marianne.   Will do a little more searching to see what I can come up with.

Yes, Thanks for finding it.  I didn't mean to ask you in particular about the names.  I was thinking out loud and typing on the quote.  Sorry.  I knew if you knew who it was you would have said.  I was wondering what name we might look for in the records.  Actually, I don't think I ever really thought about it being CC wife. Hmmmmm.  I am slipping these days.
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« Reply #1425 on: August 17, 2008, 01:36:00 PM »

Mum,

Went back to read some of CC's stories on bb.visitaruba and found one that mentions younger son (Junior) plus older daughter & son (Shauna & Adam), dated June 16, 2007. 

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=7188

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True, I a lot about my youngest son “Junior” but a girl named Shauna and a handsome boy name Adam made me very much a Dad. Long ago, when I had not learned anything about being a father, or partner or anything else, I was (and still am) a Dad to them and for that I say thank you for making me a father then and forgive me, and so many of us other fathers, that just did not know how to be one when we ourselves were nothing more than “KIDS”.


An earlier story, dated 6/5/2007, mentions his son, Junior, turning five on 6/6/07...so he'd be 6, now.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=7099

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JUNIOR
6/5/2007 11:10:32 PM

In a few moments, it will be tomorrow and you will be five. And as much as I would like to let you know how much happiness you have brought to my life, anything I say will be short from the mark
.

That's 3 kids, 2 older from previous marriage and Junior, imo.


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« Reply #1426 on: August 17, 2008, 05:50:18 PM »

The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play (the "game") in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
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« Reply #1427 on: August 18, 2008, 06:14:23 AM »

Found this in the archives...BBL to catch up...



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=381.msg54211#msg54211



Reply #553 on: September 28, 2006, 03:12:25 PM » klaasend
   
 Quote from: "Shizaru"
Klassaend... do you happen to have the Arubagirl post saved where she talks about Joran killing his dog... I am trying to find out the date that was posted

Shizaru - I don't have screen shots of posts.  What I did was write down several posts of NATIVELINGO from one night last summer.  If we ever get our archives back I can capture the actual posts.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:56 pm   
Nativelingo posted some interresting information about Joran early this morning:
1.  Joran has/had emotional problems and is a patient of a local pediatric/juvenile psychiatrist (fact).
2.  The incident where Joran killed his dog and blamed it on someone else is fact
3.  That bullying friends and the dog issue are the least of Joran's problems (according to reliable sources)
4.  His HOBBY is Criminal Law (fact)
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« Reply #1428 on: August 19, 2008, 02:18:21 PM »

Ernesto Arambatzis

Nicola Siervo wants an affluent, New York style party populated by models, photographers and other members of the modeling industry for his Monday and Friday night parties at the Metro Kitchen and Bar in the Astor. Who do you hire to promote the party? Answer: someone who has experience in both the nightlife and production arenas: Ernesto Arambatzis.

Ernesto started his career under the wings of Chris Paciello, Ingrid Casareas, and Gerry Kelly, working as the “fashion director” for Bar Room and Shadow Lounge. Then he took a break and became a men’s model booker for Ford Model’s “new faces” section. 

Well, break’s over. Besides the Monday and Friday gig at Metro, he also promotes the already popular Sky Bar at the Shore Club on Saturdays and the newly opened restro-lounge Sabor on Thursdays. He also plans to promote the Pure Lounge above Joia—once its completed that is.

“I love the whole restaurant and lounge thing,” he says. “I have free dinners almost every night.”
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/01-23-03/firststoryfrontpage.htm

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Unmade Man
Chris Paciello owned two of Miami's hottest clubs and hung out with Ingrid Casares, Jennifer Lopez, and Madonna. A murder charge scattered his A-list pals -- but his gangster vibe is part of what drew them in the first place.

By Robert Kolker & Ethan Brown Published Apr 10, 2000

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On December 1, as the culmination of an organized-crime investigation that stretched back at least to 1997, Chris Paciello surrendered to a U.S. Marshal a week after being indicted for a 1993 murder in Staten Island. Since then, prosecutors have claimed in court -- but not yet formally charged -- that Paciello burned down his first Miami club for the insurance money, permitted drug-dealing at Liquid, and tried to intimidate and sabotage three of his competitors. (New York has also learned that he still employs Robert Gordon, described during Limelight owner Peter Gatien's drug trial as a major ecstasy dealer in the early nineties.)

Federal prosecutor James Walden has said in court that a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation into the clubs' finances revealed circumstantial evidence of money laundering -- reported profits that are grossly out of proportion with inventory purchases. And though Paciello told a friend last fall that the rumors about his mob connections were spread by people who were "f***ing jealous," his co-defendants in the indictment are all accused of having connections to the Bonanno crime family. The road to trial promises to be bumpy: Just last week, Walden revealed that security guards found marijuana and a partially empty box of .40 caliber bullets hidden in the Staten Island house where Paciello is, by court order, supposed to be monitored 24 hours a day.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/2758/

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Goon Over Miami, Part 3
If Chris Paciello returns to South Beach, he'll find his empire in shambles and local cops hungry to arrest him


By Tristram Korten
Published on March 30, 2000

Article mentions marketing manager Troy Parsons.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2000-03-30/news/goon-over-miami-part-3

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Ocean DriveMagazine
In association with Gerry Kelly and Noah Lazes Presents:
ELEVATE
The New Wednesday Night@Vivid
Hosted by Troy Parsons & Ernesto Arambatzis
Wednesday June 7th 2000 10PM
Complimentary Bar 10-11pm
RSVP For Complimentary <A HREF="http://www.clubplanet.com/guestlists/" TARGET="_blank">Guest List</A> 305.695.9299
Vivid
743 Washington Avenue
Miami Beach, FL 33139
VIP Table Reservations 305.695.9033 www.vividnightclub.com
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/miami/3252-vivid-nightclub.html


Bar Room Owner Stays Behind Bars
http://www.ganglandnews.com/column157.htm

Club Owner Pleads Guilty in Mob Murder Case
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E5DF133FF937A25753C1A9669C8B63

http://blogs.herald.com/scene_in_the_tropics/miami_vice/index.html

Ingrid Casares partner of Chris Paciello.



Three’s Company

Three South Beach Industry Veterans Team Up to Form Company

“Everyone is hitting on us and we love it.” – Tommy Pooch


Alan Roth, Ingrid Casares and Tommy Pooch meld their South Beach promoting talents to form TAI. Photo by Mitchell Zachs.

Link



Again or still in the news (thanks to San for sending this to me):

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/08/19/2008-08-19_no_madgeic_touch_on_bail_for_paciello.html



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« Reply #1429 on: August 19, 2008, 04:46:35 PM »

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted all of you to know that I am OK.  For the past month or so, I have been involved with family needs and a bunch of other things.  I'm a little overwhelmed at this point.  I have no idea what has been happening in Aruba.  As soon as my life settles down a little, I will be back.  I have missed all of you.

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« Reply #1430 on: August 19, 2008, 05:24:44 PM »

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted all of you to know that I am OK.  For the past month or so, I have been involved with family needs and a bunch of other things.  I'm a little overwhelmed at this point.  I have no idea what has been happening in Aruba.  As soon as my life settles down a little, I will be back.  I have missed all of you.

SS


Hey there!  Glad you checked in.  Nothing is happening so you are not behind...we can get you caught up in Shango...now elsewhere may be another story.
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« Reply #1431 on: August 19, 2008, 05:26:15 PM »

Ernesto Arambatzis

Nicola Siervo wants an affluent, New York style party populated by models, photographers and other members of the modeling industry for his Monday and Friday night parties at the Metro Kitchen and Bar in the Astor. Who do you hire to promote the party? Answer: someone who has experience in both the nightlife and production arenas: Ernesto Arambatzis.

Ernesto started his career under the wings of Chris Paciello, Ingrid Casareas, and Gerry Kelly, working as the “fashion director” for Bar Room and Shadow Lounge. Then he took a break and became a men’s model booker for Ford Model’s “new faces” section. 

Well, break’s over. Besides the Monday and Friday gig at Metro, he also promotes the already popular Sky Bar at the Shore Club on Saturdays and the newly opened restro-lounge Sabor on Thursdays. He also plans to promote the Pure Lounge above Joia—once its completed that is.

“I love the whole restaurant and lounge thing,” he says. “I have free dinners almost every night.”
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/01-23-03/firststoryfrontpage.htm

********************

Unmade Man
Chris Paciello owned two of Miami's hottest clubs and hung out with Ingrid Casares, Jennifer Lopez, and Madonna. A murder charge scattered his A-list pals -- but his gangster vibe is part of what drew them in the first place.

By Robert Kolker & Ethan Brown Published Apr 10, 2000

<snipped>

On December 1, as the culmination of an organized-crime investigation that stretched back at least to 1997, Chris Paciello surrendered to a U.S. Marshal a week after being indicted for a 1993 murder in Staten Island. Since then, prosecutors have claimed in court -- but not yet formally charged -- that Paciello burned down his first Miami club for the insurance money, permitted drug-dealing at Liquid, and tried to intimidate and sabotage three of his competitors. (New York has also learned that he still employs Robert Gordon, described during Limelight owner Peter Gatien's drug trial as a major ecstasy dealer in the early nineties.)

Federal prosecutor James Walden has said in court that a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation into the clubs' finances revealed circumstantial evidence of money laundering -- reported profits that are grossly out of proportion with inventory purchases. And though Paciello told a friend last fall that the rumors about his mob connections were spread by people who were "f***ing jealous," his co-defendants in the indictment are all accused of having connections to the Bonanno crime family. The road to trial promises to be bumpy: Just last week, Walden revealed that security guards found marijuana and a partially empty box of .40 caliber bullets hidden in the Staten Island house where Paciello is, by court order, supposed to be monitored 24 hours a day.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/2758/

********************

Goon Over Miami, Part 3
If Chris Paciello returns to South Beach, he'll find his empire in shambles and local cops hungry to arrest him


By Tristram Korten
Published on March 30, 2000

Article mentions marketing manager Troy Parsons.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2000-03-30/news/goon-over-miami-part-3

********************

Ocean DriveMagazine
In association with Gerry Kelly and Noah Lazes Presents:
ELEVATE
The New Wednesday Night@Vivid
Hosted by Troy Parsons & Ernesto Arambatzis
Wednesday June 7th 2000 10PM
Complimentary Bar 10-11pm
RSVP For Complimentary <A HREF="http://www.clubplanet.com/guestlists/" TARGET="_blank">Guest List</A> 305.695.9299
Vivid
743 Washington Avenue
Miami Beach, FL 33139
VIP Table Reservations 305.695.9033 www.vividnightclub.com
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/miami/3252-vivid-nightclub.html


Bar Room Owner Stays Behind Bars
http://www.ganglandnews.com/column157.htm

Club Owner Pleads Guilty in Mob Murder Case
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E5DF133FF937A25753C1A9669C8B63

http://blogs.herald.com/scene_in_the_tropics/miami_vice/index.html

Ingrid Casares partner of Chris Paciello.



Three’s Company

Three South Beach Industry Veterans Team Up to Form Company

“Everyone is hitting on us and we love it.” – Tommy Pooch


Alan Roth, Ingrid Casares and Tommy Pooch meld their South Beach promoting talents to form TAI. Photo by Mitchell Zachs.

Link



Again or still in the news (thanks to San for sending this to me):

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/08/19/2008-08-19_no_madgeic_touch_on_bail_for_paciello.html





There is Tommy Pooch...again...that lives in Florida...that claims he's in the casino with Joran...that knows a lot about gambling...and casinos...and most likely the mob...and such.  I'm just saying...
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« Reply #1432 on: August 19, 2008, 06:37:55 PM »

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted all of you to know that I am OK.  For the past month or so, I have been involved with family needs and a bunch of other things.  I'm a little overwhelmed at this point.  I have no idea what has been happening in Aruba.  As soon as my life settles down a little, I will be back.  I have missed all of you.

SS


Hey there!  Glad you checked in.  Nothing is happening so you are not behind...we can get you caught up in Shango...now elsewhere may be another story.


Lalas,

I have done some real fast scans through the threads.  I was reading in one of them (maybe NH) that the Chamber lists have disappeared. A few months ago, Mum and I were doing some work with a current Chamber list.  They actually called it a tax list and it looks like only Aruban citizens registered to vote were included.  I downloaded the file.  It's in an XLS format which I can't open because I use Lotus for my spread sheets.  I'm not sure how big the file is and it's actually two files.  If Klaas can give us a place to put it, I can try to upload the file back to the SM system.  It won't give us information about 2005, but it will help us with anything current.  Did Chemaly or his Zedan cousins write in to say how much they missed me?
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« Reply #1433 on: August 19, 2008, 09:08:10 PM »

I've been reading back through the thread in a frantic attempt to catch up before I am swept away again.  The discussions about Lorenzo are great and I learned something that now has my thoughts spinning.  I had always thought that Lorenzo's girlfriend was his alibi and she later retracted all or part of her story about being with him that night.  From the old posts from the Speedshop, they claimed that Max Arendz didn't know Lorenzo, yet the Speedshop guys were the ones that supplied the picture of Lorenzo in his obnoxious van.  Where did they get the picture if they didn't know him?  Now, I'm hearing that Max Arendz was an alibi for Lorenzo that night???  This would certainly fit Shango's report that the friends of the 5th were his alibi and they were with him all night.  This would explain Max's involvement in the case.  Is there anything to document that Natalee did have dinner with Lorenzo earlier in the week?  Is he the wild and crazy guy?  We have heard tidbits from lots of places saying that Urine was at Lorenzo's house early the next morning.  Could they have moved Natalee from the Matty Apts. to Lorenzo's house after the video party?  Is it possible that she was still alive at that point?  We have heard for a long time that a hair brush and other things belonging to Natalee were found at Lorenzo's.  If Paul Brough is a friend of Lorenzo, are these two the link to the video distribution in Miami?  Just some thoughts.
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« Reply #1434 on: August 19, 2008, 09:38:20 PM »

after all the talk about a 5th suspect, Shango says "who else plays in the orchestra?"

the elder had one or two cards up his sleeve
they have been played and lost
will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon (DirtyHand)
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder [released?]
he was the hidden card that was played   [DirtyHand]


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« Reply #1435 on: August 19, 2008, 09:43:04 PM »

SS:

about Urine:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons.

Who switched places?  Somebody who would then definitely be able to break the alibi!
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« Reply #1436 on: August 20, 2008, 03:18:42 AM »

I've been reading back through the thread in a frantic attempt to catch up before I am swept away again.  The discussions about Lorenzo are great and I learned something that now has my thoughts spinning.  I had always thought that Lorenzo's girlfriend was his alibi and she later retracted all or part of her story about being with him that night.  From the old posts from the Speedshop, they claimed that Max Arendz didn't know Lorenzo, yet the Speedshop guys were the ones that supplied the picture of Lorenzo in his obnoxious van.  Where did they get the picture if they didn't know him?  Now, I'm hearing that Max Arendz was an alibi for Lorenzo that night???  This would certainly fit Shango's report that the friends of the 5th were his alibi and they were with him all night.  This would explain Max's involvement in the case.  Is there anything to document that Natalee did have dinner with Lorenzo earlier in the week?  Is he the wild and crazy guy?  We have heard tidbits from lots of places saying that Urine was at Lorenzo's house early the next morning.  Could they have moved Natalee from the Matty Apts. to Lorenzo's house after the video party?  Is it possible that she was still alive at that point?  We have heard for a long time that a hair brush and other things belonging to Natalee were found at Lorenzo's.  If Paul Brough is a friend of Lorenzo, are these two the link to the video distribution in Miami?  Just some thoughts.

hello! yes! thank you!

this always stood out to me
but never seemed to mean much to others

Andry Lopez/webmaster of the speed shop boostunit site
(and self-proclaimed best friend of Max/Maxito Arendsz)
was Peeps/the one who produced the photo.
actually, there were at least two posting as Peeps
so that's some extra effort there

re our attempts to find out what LvR looked like
Peeps said we'd never seen a photo of him/never would,
as LvR was not a club-type person.
and all of the early photos came from the clubs ...
or the tickle sites

then ... Peeps came off w/ the van photo,
saying this is the only photo of him you'll ever see:
LvR sitting in his van/parked on a side street,
looking into the camera ...
shadows of more persons than the one holding the camera
visible in the foreground

so WTF was all that about?

while tossing in: we've talked to the detectives in this case
to clear our names re this BS being floated at SM
_ _ _ _ _

also, there was more than one sandraK
and one of them just could not help herself ...
she was always itching to "tell" what she knew
and quite often got tangled up re her "knowledge"
while at the same time "accidentally" revealing something:
dumb like fox

[the reveal]
sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello. From the Aruba Speed Shop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless...  SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

MisGivings: Is this the 'rave' guy? And, wasn't some of Natalee's clothing found in his basement?

sandraK: No clothes were found...!! Nothing

jozee: SandraK, So Lorenzo runs with the guys from the Speed Shop?? I thought Peeps said he only met him once??

sandraK: and ???

[oops/busted again]
jozee: ...and back at ya...if he met him once how does he run with them?

[uh ... play dumb before pitching a slider]
sandraK: I didn't know Peeps was Max Arendsz....I'm Sorry..  Embarassed  Embarassed

jozee: SandraK, I don't believe he is Max...if you are to believe what he says they are best friends...just do a search on Peeps posts and you can see for yourself. He came here after a bunch of Monkeys hit on the speed shop during research. I don't know if he posts anymore....

[the slider. re Peeps, w/ caps and a wink]
sandraK: WE  PM  Wink
_ _ _ _ _

re anything concrete on NH dining/hanging w/ LvR:
next to nothing, except for
1. sim's cool/crazy guy in casino
2. the MB 302 which stated that NH talked w/ local guy
for about 30 minutes by the pool one day
3. the early june post in papi at the boostunit site forum:
"the (missing) girl that was holding hands w/ Lorenzo"

JvdS + Steve Croes + LvR + Maxito/Peeps + ? = shit storm

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« Reply #1437 on: August 20, 2008, 06:10:15 AM »

Well, let me try this again. LOL

I know that she gives her email out to AG or one of the Aruban posters in a comment on the FP.  OR it could be in the forum posts called Rumors of Breaking news.  Either way it's a lot to dig through.  I had it saved once, but can't find it now.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vii/

138.  NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
CancunMole, Look for me in one of the Renaissance Mall Stores….
m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Bini to aruba;)

Btw…..where did everybody from tripadvisor go?

Mum, same link:

134. NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:32 am
Gajin…your feelings are totally understandible……I’m an Aruban…..and a mother of 3 girls……




So what does the "M" stand for?  Margaret?  Marilyn?  Melissa?  Mildred? Michelle?  I could go on and on.  According to Mrs. Red it is not Marrianne.  I mean the Marrianne as in the OM office.

   I spent some time in the Chamber of Commerce search and had to take a break.....white pages has a load of M. Croes...not help.

http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=croes+m&page=1


Didn't find Nativelingo, but found this...Same address and is on the Fast Phone Services listing.

Charles Croes “young wife”?

Croes-Amaro Angulo, Iracema

Born in Cuba – August 14th 1978

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

 
 2 matched records found:

The results corresponding to your searchrequest are listed below. Click on a companyname to open the company information page.
   
Trade name
Branch   
Dossier#
Establishment
FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE   31202/000
FAST PHONE SERVICES-RENT YOUR PHONE N.V.   36375/000


For some reason I can’t copy the Registry info…It is the First one – effective 2006, if some-one would be kind enough to copy…for future reference!

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« Reply #1438 on: August 20, 2008, 12:53:27 PM »

I've been reading back through the thread in a frantic attempt to catch up before I am swept away again.  The discussions about Lorenzo are great and I learned something that now has my thoughts spinning.  I had always thought that Lorenzo's girlfriend was his alibi and she later retracted all or part of her story about being with him that night.  From the old posts from the Speedshop, they claimed that Max Arendz didn't know Lorenzo, yet the Speedshop guys were the ones that supplied the picture of Lorenzo in his obnoxious van.  Where did they get the picture if they didn't know him?  Now, I'm hearing that Max Arendz was an alibi for Lorenzo that night???  This would certainly fit Shango's report that the friends of the 5th were his alibi and they were with him all night.  This would explain Max's involvement in the case.  Is there anything to document that Natalee did have dinner with Lorenzo earlier in the week?  Is he the wild and crazy guy?  We have heard tidbits from lots of places saying that Urine was at Lorenzo's house early the next morning.  Could they have moved Natalee from the Matty Apts. to Lorenzo's house after the video party?  Is it possible that she was still alive at that point?  We have heard for a long time that a hair brush and other things belonging to Natalee were found at Lorenzo's.  If Paul Brough is a friend of Lorenzo, are these two the link to the video distribution in Miami?  Just some thoughts.

All good thoughts.  I do know that Paul Brough and Lorenzo were connected to that video distribution.  I can't remember where that info is...it is most likely buried in tons of NAH threads of yesteryear.  Most of the Lorenzo stuff is speculation after that.  The enigmatic poster Espionage alluded to some Lorenzo stuff.  It was only for the immediate time frame so don't get bogged down in his posts at this time.  Most think it was MIP6...I know different...don't ask me how.  Paul Brough was into the porn scene and it paints an intriguing picture to think of the possibilities and the underworld stuff but I really have never found substantial evidence to support it.  Not that I wouldn't like that....I would.
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« Reply #1439 on: August 20, 2008, 12:57:12 PM »

I've been reading back through the thread in a frantic attempt to catch up before I am swept away again.  The discussions about Lorenzo are great and I learned something that now has my thoughts spinning.  I had always thought that Lorenzo's girlfriend was his alibi and she later retracted all or part of her story about being with him that night.  From the old posts from the Speedshop, they claimed that Max Arendz didn't know Lorenzo, yet the Speedshop guys were the ones that supplied the picture of Lorenzo in his obnoxious van.  Where did they get the picture if they didn't know him?  Now, I'm hearing that Max Arendz was an alibi for Lorenzo that night???  This would certainly fit Shango's report that the friends of the 5th were his alibi and they were with him all night.  This would explain Max's involvement in the case.  Is there anything to document that Natalee did have dinner with Lorenzo earlier in the week?  Is he the wild and crazy guy?  We have heard tidbits from lots of places saying that Urine was at Lorenzo's house early the next morning.  Could they have moved Natalee from the Matty Apts. to Lorenzo's house after the video party?  Is it possible that she was still alive at that point?  We have heard for a long time that a hair brush and other things belonging to Natalee were found at Lorenzo's.  If Paul Brough is a friend of Lorenzo, are these two the link to the video distribution in Miami?  Just some thoughts.

hello! yes! thank you!

this always stood out to me
but never seemed to mean much to others

Andry Lopez/webmaster of the speed shop boostunit site
(and self-proclaimed best friend of Max/Maxito Arendsz)
was Peeps/the one who produced the photo.
actually, there were at least two posting as Peeps
so that's some extra effort there

re our attempts to find out what LvR looked like
Peeps said we'd never seen a photo of him/never would,
as LvR was not a club-type person.
and all of the early photos came from the clubs ...
or the tickle sites

then ... Peeps came off w/ the van photo,
saying this is the only photo of him you'll ever see:
LvR sitting in his van/parked on a side street,
looking into the camera ...
shadows of more persons than the one holding the camera
visible in the foreground

so WTF was all that about?

while tossing in: we've talked to the detectives in this case
to clear our names re this BS being floated at SM
_ _ _ _ _

also, there was more than one sandraK
and one of them just could not help herself ...
she was always itching to "tell" what she knew
and quite often got tangled up re her "knowledge"
while at the same time "accidentally" revealing something:
dumb like fox

[the reveal]
sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello. From the Aruba Speed Shop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless...  SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

MisGivings: Is this the 'rave' guy? And, wasn't some of Natalee's clothing found in his basement?

sandraK: No clothes were found...!! Nothing

jozee: SandraK, So Lorenzo runs with the guys from the Speed Shop?? I thought Peeps said he only met him once??

sandraK: and ???

[oops/busted again]
jozee: ...and back at ya...if he met him once how does he run with them?

[uh ... play dumb before pitching a slider]
sandraK: I didn't know Peeps was Max Arendsz....I'm Sorry..  Embarassed  Embarassed

jozee: SandraK, I don't believe he is Max...if you are to believe what he says they are best friends...just do a search on Peeps posts and you can see for yourself. He came here after a bunch of Monkeys hit on the speed shop during research. I don't know if he posts anymore....

[the slider. re Peeps, w/ caps and a wink]
sandraK: WE  PM  Wink
_ _ _ _ _

re anything concrete on NH dining/hanging w/ LvR:
next to nothing, except for
1. sim's cool/crazy guy in casino
2. the MB 302 which stated that NH talked w/ local guy
for about 30 minutes by the pool one day
3. the early june post in papi at the boostunit site forum:
"the (missing) girl that was holding hands w/ Lorenzo"

JvdS + Steve Croes + LvR + Maxito/Peeps + ? = shit storm



And the other person that down played all this info and speculation was our dear Bondia/Glenda/Julia.  Does that make anyone go hmmmmm?
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