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« Reply #1440 on: August 20, 2008, 01:02:04 PM »

Well, let me try this again. LOL

I know that she gives her email out to AG or one of the Aruban posters in a comment on the FP.  OR it could be in the forum posts called Rumors of Breaking news.  Either way it's a lot to dig through.  I had it saved once, but can't find it now.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vii/

138.  NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
CancunMole, Look for me in one of the Renaissance Mall Stores….
m_croesm@yahoo.com
Bon Bini to aruba;)

Btw…..where did everybody from tripadvisor go?

Mum, same link:

134. NativeLingo on June 11th, 2005 1:32 am
Gajin…your feelings are totally understandible……I’m an Aruban…..and a mother of 3 girls……




So what does the "M" stand for?  Margaret?  Marilyn?  Melissa?  Mildred? Michelle?  I could go on and on.  According to Mrs. Red it is not Marrianne.  I mean the Marrianne as in the OM office.

   I spent some time in the Chamber of Commerce search and had to take a break.....white pages has a load of M. Croes...not help.

http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=croes+m&page=1


Didn't find Nativelingo, but found this...Same address and is on the Fast Phone Services listing.

Charles Croes “young wife”?

Croes-Amaro Angulo, Iracema

Born in Cuba – August 14th 1978

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

 
 2 matched records found:

The results corresponding to your searchrequest are listed below. Click on a companyname to open the company information page.
   
Trade name
Branch   
Dossier#
Establishment
FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE   31202/000
FAST PHONE SERVICES-RENT YOUR PHONE N.V.   36375/000


For some reason I can’t copy the Registry info…It is the First one – effective 2006, if some-one would be kind enough to copy…for future reference!



I wasn't able to copy the Registry info, either.  I did capture a screen print and put it on a word document.  I wanted to attach it, but realized (had forgotten) that it wasn't compatible with the forum....I'm sure someone will remind me of another method.  I'm just stymied, right now.  To top it off, I had typed a similar post and forgot to take the bad attachment out and caused an error.  Had to start all over, again. 
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« Reply #1441 on: August 20, 2008, 11:15:37 PM »

Lalas, Finngirl, and Colombo -

Thanks for jogging my memory and throwing in some other goodies.  If Julia says it doesn't matter, then to me it's of vital importance.  The Speedshop double talk is really in my head now.  Maybe we didn't pay much attention to this because of all the other information that was flying around all over the place.  If Eyebrows (Max) is a friend of Lorenzo, this might explain why he was questioned to begin with and then he provided the tight alibi.  If Lorenzo doesn't allow his picture to be taken, then how did they take it with him looking directly at the camera?  That picture was taken for our benefit.  If Freddy is also a friend of Lorenzo and both of them are into feature films, then it becomes even more plausible that they were all there for the event with the rest of the cast of Road Warriors.  If Natalee was injured from the confrontation or in bad shape from drugs or after the entire ordeal, it also becomes very possible that they moved her from Matty's to Lorenzo's fortress.  Her condition and the chit on her might have been too alarming to just dump her in front of the Holiday Inn, which seems to have been the fate of the twenty other American tourists.  Remember, they didn't build sandcastles, so I am not big on the beach.  Do we have any statements or descriptions of what was searched when ALE went through Lorenzo's home?  Does anyone still have a link to any of that information about finding the hair brush and the clothes?  We do have a picture somewhere of Armin playing his guitar in Lorenzo's basement, so Simian does have a direct knowledge of Lorenzo's party scene and Shango said something to him during their cat fight about walking in the maze himself.  To me, this Max/Lorenzo connection adds another possible dimension to the chain of events that night and it could fill in the gaps after the video party ended.  Does anyone know anything about a possible connection between Lorenzo and Chemaly or Ernesto?  Were Ernesto and Brough fencing the Freddy/Lorenzo/Julia videos in Miami?  The "powers" are definitely protecting Lorenzo which is really evident after his horticultural projects were discovered.  With this much protection, Lorenzo almost has to be a dirty hand.  Could it be that Urine and Paulass are protected because they are father and half-brother to Lorenzo, rather than because Paulass is a wanna-be judge?  Eyeborws went off to a community college in Florida, but from what I found, it looks like he didn't last long and he's back in Aruba now.  I visited him not too long ago.  He doesn't appear to run with Urine's old friends, so the connection to Lorenzo seems even more likely.
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« Reply #1442 on: August 20, 2008, 11:41:16 PM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1443 on: August 21, 2008, 02:11:14 AM »


SS: many good thoughts/questions in your post
but I'm pressed for time tonight, dammit

real quickly, just wanna make sure
that I'm reading something correctly:
wondering if your reference to Eyebrows =
Max Arends?

that particular Max was (is?) a friend of JvdS
and he was 20 years old in 2005 ...
he's the one who went to college in FL

the other Max/who allegedly provided LvR's alibi
is Maxito Arendsz/owner of the speed shop

he and Peeps were 26 years old in 2005
and they are the ones who ran w/ Lorenzo ...
whose age in 2005 was anywhere from 23-28
depending on who you believed among the posters back then

the names are nearly identical so it's easy to confuse them:
Max Arends
Max Arendsz/also goes by childhood nickname Maxito

someone/probably klaas must have a photo of the older Max.
he posted photos of himself/his racing buds on his tickle site
but I didn't save them to a photo account ...
and the old photo links don't work since tickle networking poofed

when you compare photos of the two Max(s)
it's obvious that one is a boy/Arends and one is a man/Arendsz
_ _ _ _ _

no official record re any search of Lorenzo's property ...
just what posters heard/saw via eiland media
plus gossip/rumor

some said his (cigarette) boat/house/vehicle
were gone over very thoroughly

there are copied posts in the race junkies thread
from around june 16/17 in 2005
where it sounds like eiland rumor is combining/confusing
Steve Croes and LvR:
saying that the latest/current person of interest
is the son of a prominent businessman

AFAIK it's never been established who Croes' father is,
which would seem easy enough if he's a prominent/wealthy man

whereas there were many posts saying that LvR
could afford his vida loca due to the proceeds he inherited
following his father's death ...
making it sound like HE was the son of a prominent man

I rec'd a PM that first summer/can't remember who the sender was
telling me that ALE wanted to search Lorenzo's mom's house
but that was denied
since her property was outside the scope of the investigation

sent that info to Dan in TX/he asked Peeps about it
and Peeps said: that's true ...
which was pretty much passed over/ignored

struck me as: Peeps says he doesn't know Lorenzo
but he knows about the denied search? hmmm
_ _ _ _ _

wish I had more time to respond/ask questions re your post

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« Reply #1444 on: August 21, 2008, 05:05:31 AM »

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted all of you to know that I am OK.  For the past month or so, I have been involved with family needs and a bunch of other things.  I'm a little overwhelmed at this point.  I have no idea what has been happening in Aruba.  As soon as my life settles down a little, I will be back.  I have missed all of you.

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Hey there!  Glad you checked in.  Nothing is happening so you are not behind...we can get you caught up in Shango...now elsewhere may be another story.


Lalas,

I have done some real fast scans through the threads.  I was reading in one of them (maybe NH) that the Chamber lists have disappeared. A few months ago, Mum and I were doing some work with a current Chamber list.  They actually called it a tax list and it looks like only Aruban citizens registered to vote were included.  I downloaded the file.  It's in an XLS format which I can't open because I use Lotus for my spread sheets.  I'm not sure how big the file is and it's actually two files.  If Klaas can give us a place to put it, I can try to upload the file back to the SM system.  It won't give us information about 2005, but it will help us with anything current.  Did Chemaly or his Zedan cousins write in to say how much they missed me?

 

Have something on this that I found last week...will get it all together, if I can find it LOL and see if you can make heads of tails of it...

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« Reply #1445 on: August 21, 2008, 05:12:40 AM »

Ernesto Arambatzis

Nicola Siervo wants an affluent, New York style party populated by models, photographers and other members of the modeling industry for his Monday and Friday night parties at the Metro Kitchen and Bar in the Astor. Who do you hire to promote the party? Answer: someone who has experience in both the nightlife and production arenas: Ernesto Arambatzis.

Ernesto started his career under the wings of Chris Paciello, Ingrid Casareas, and Gerry Kelly, working as the “fashion director” for Bar Room and Shadow Lounge. Then he took a break and became a men’s model booker for Ford Model’s “new faces” section. 

Well, break’s over. Besides the Monday and Friday gig at Metro, he also promotes the already popular Sky Bar at the Shore Club on Saturdays and the newly opened restro-lounge Sabor on Thursdays. He also plans to promote the Pure Lounge above Joia—once its completed that is.

“I love the whole restaurant and lounge thing,” he says. “I have free dinners almost every night.”
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/01-23-03/firststoryfrontpage.htm

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Unmade Man
Chris Paciello owned two of Miami's hottest clubs and hung out with Ingrid Casares, Jennifer Lopez, and Madonna. A murder charge scattered his A-list pals -- but his gangster vibe is part of what drew them in the first place.

By Robert Kolker & Ethan Brown Published Apr 10, 2000

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On December 1, as the culmination of an organized-crime investigation that stretched back at least to 1997, Chris Paciello surrendered to a U.S. Marshal a week after being indicted for a 1993 murder in Staten Island. Since then, prosecutors have claimed in court -- but not yet formally charged -- that Paciello burned down his first Miami club for the insurance money, permitted drug-dealing at Liquid, and tried to intimidate and sabotage three of his competitors. (New York has also learned that he still employs Robert Gordon, described during Limelight owner Peter Gatien's drug trial as a major ecstasy dealer in the early nineties.)

Federal prosecutor James Walden has said in court that a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation into the clubs' finances revealed circumstantial evidence of money laundering -- reported profits that are grossly out of proportion with inventory purchases. And though Paciello told a friend last fall that the rumors about his mob connections were spread by people who were "f***ing jealous," his co-defendants in the indictment are all accused of having connections to the Bonanno crime family. The road to trial promises to be bumpy: Just last week, Walden revealed that security guards found marijuana and a partially empty box of .40 caliber bullets hidden in the Staten Island house where Paciello is, by court order, supposed to be monitored 24 hours a day.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/2758/

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Goon Over Miami, Part 3
If Chris Paciello returns to South Beach, he'll find his empire in shambles and local cops hungry to arrest him


By Tristram Korten
Published on March 30, 2000

Article mentions marketing manager Troy Parsons.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2000-03-30/news/goon-over-miami-part-3

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http://bbs.clubplanet.com/miami/3252-vivid-nightclub.html


Bar Room Owner Stays Behind Bars
http://www.ganglandnews.com/column157.htm

Club Owner Pleads Guilty in Mob Murder Case
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E5DF133FF937A25753C1A9669C8B63

http://blogs.herald.com/scene_in_the_tropics/miami_vice/index.html

Ingrid Casares partner of Chris Paciello.



Three’s Company

Three South Beach Industry Veterans Team Up to Form Company

“Everyone is hitting on us and we love it.” – Tommy Pooch


Alan Roth, Ingrid Casares and Tommy Pooch meld their South Beach promoting talents to form TAI. Photo by Mitchell Zachs.

Link



Again or still in the news (thanks to San for sending this to me):

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/08/19/2008-08-19_no_madgeic_touch_on_bail_for_paciello.html





There is Tommy Pooch...again...that lives in Florida...that claims he's in the casino with Joran...that knows a lot about gambling...and casinos...and most likely the mob...and such.  I'm just saying...


Scrolling past the pic of Chris and he reminds me of the sketch of the suspect on the beach, the one everyone thinks looks like Jerry Strawberry...
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« Reply #1446 on: August 21, 2008, 05:47:40 AM »

Lalas, Finngirl, and Colombo -

Thanks for jogging my memory and throwing in some other goodies.  If Julia says it doesn't matter, then to me it's of vital importance.  The Speedshop double talk is really in my head now.  Maybe we didn't pay much attention to this because of all the other information that was flying around all over the place.  If Eyebrows (Max) is a friend of Lorenzo, this might explain why he was questioned to begin with and then he provided the tight alibi.  If Lorenzo doesn't allow his picture to be taken, then how did they take it with him looking directly at the camera?  That picture was taken for our benefit.  If Freddy is also a friend of Lorenzo and both of them are into feature films, then it becomes even more plausible that they were all there for the event with the rest of the cast of Road Warriors.  If Natalee was injured from the confrontation or in bad shape from drugs or after the entire ordeal, it also becomes very possible that they moved her from Matty's to Lorenzo's fortress.  Her condition and the chit on her might have been too alarming to just dump her in front of the Holiday Inn, which seems to have been the fate of the twenty other American tourists.  Remember, they didn't build sandcastles, so I am not big on the beach.  Do we have any statements or descriptions of what was searched when ALE went through Lorenzo's home?  Does anyone still have a link to any of that information about finding the hair brush and the clothes?  We do have a picture somewhere of Armin playing his guitar in Lorenzo's basement, so Simian does have a direct knowledge of Lorenzo's party scene and Shango said something to him during their cat fight about walking in the maze himself.   To me, this Max/Lorenzo connection adds another possible dimension to the chain of events that night and it could fill in the gaps after the video party ended.  Does anyone know anything about a possible connection between Lorenzo and Chemaly or Ernesto?  Were Ernesto and Brough fencing the Freddy/Lorenzo/Julia videos in Miami?  The "powers" are definitely protecting Lorenzo which is really evident after his horticultural projects were discovered.  With this much protection, Lorenzo almost has to be a dirty hand.  Could it be that Urine and Paulass are protected because they are father and half-brother to Lorenzo, rather than because Paulass is a wanna-be judge?  Eyeborws went off to a community college in Florida, but from what I found, it looks like he didn't last long and he's back in Aruba now.  I visited him not too long ago.  He doesn't appear to run with Urine's old friends, so the connection to Lorenzo seems even more likely.


Lorenzo’s party pic…We really don't know if this is our Lorenzo...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.500



   Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #519 on: April 21, 2008, 10:32:24 PM »
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« Reply #1447 on: August 21, 2008, 05:52:29 AM »

Texasmom...Thanks for posting the info on Charle's wife...For some reason I can't copy Chamber info, I highlight and then when I try to copy it disappears...and for some reason my computer won't let me copy pics...I have followed Klaas' instructions over and over and it is a no go???

Heck, I don't want a new computer....

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« Reply #1448 on: August 21, 2008, 06:22:06 AM »

Lorenzo and the Race Junkies thread....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0

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« Reply #1449 on: August 21, 2008, 10:16:10 AM »

Lalas, Finngirl, and Colombo -

Thanks for jogging my memory and throwing in some other goodies.  If Julia says it doesn't matter, then to me it's of vital importance.  The Speedshop double talk is really in my head now.  Maybe we didn't pay much attention to this because of all the other information that was flying around all over the place.  If Eyebrows (Max) is a friend of Lorenzo, this might explain why he was questioned to begin with and then he provided the tight alibi.  If Lorenzo doesn't allow his picture to be taken, then how did they take it with him looking directly at the camera?  That picture was taken for our benefit.  If Freddy is also a friend of Lorenzo and both of them are into feature films, then it becomes even more plausible that they were all there for the event with the rest of the cast of Road Warriors.  If Natalee was injured from the confrontation or in bad shape from drugs or after the entire ordeal, it also becomes very possible that they moved her from Matty's to Lorenzo's fortress.  Her condition and the chit on her might have been too alarming to just dump her in front of the Holiday Inn, which seems to have been the fate of the twenty other American tourists.  Remember, they didn't build sandcastles, so I am not big on the beach.  Do we have any statements or descriptions of what was searched when ALE went through Lorenzo's home?  Does anyone still have a link to any of that information about finding the hair brush and the clothes?  We do have a picture somewhere of Armin playing his guitar in Lorenzo's basement, so Simian does have a direct knowledge of Lorenzo's party scene and Shango said something to him during their cat fight about walking in the maze himself.  To me, this Max/Lorenzo connection adds another possible dimension to the chain of events that night and it could fill in the gaps after the video party ended.  Does anyone know anything about a possible connection between Lorenzo and Chemaly or Ernesto?  Were Ernesto and Brough fencing the Freddy/Lorenzo/Julia videos in Miami?  The "powers" are definitely protecting Lorenzo which is really evident after his horticultural projects were discovered.  With this much protection, Lorenzo almost has to be a dirty hand.  Could it be that Urine and Paulass are protected because they are father and half-brother to Lorenzo, rather than because Paulass is a wanna-be judge?  Eyeborws went off to a community college in Florida, but from what I found, it looks like he didn't last long and he's back in Aruba now.  I visited him not too long ago.  He doesn't appear to run with Urine's old friends, so the connection to Lorenzo seems even more likely.

Your thoughts have been mine also for years now...unfortunately your theory means Lorenzo is the 5th suspect...with the tight alibi. LOL  That throws  kinks in all the other possibilities. LOL   It would be nice to know if Eyebrows was a friend of Gabe Leo.  Just exactly where did Max live in Florida?  Do you know?
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« Reply #1450 on: August 21, 2008, 10:18:00 AM »



Hey Mum!
Did you notice the address location?  Yep, that's interesting, isn't it? Hmmmmmm!
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« Reply #1451 on: August 21, 2008, 10:23:32 AM »

Mum
I am sending you some info via email...just saying to make sure you get it in case my internet goes off again.
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« Reply #1452 on: August 21, 2008, 10:30:01 AM »

Yep...Lala's...I did!

Found this the other day and I am not sure if Caps is confusing Steve and Charles here...LOL...Surprise!!!

I meant to go back and find the info from when we were talking about Armin as I think there mnay be an address back there for Rufo???? That might help if Steve did live next door to Rufo.

Will see if I can find it, as soon as I finishing emailing myself all the info that a very clever Monkey had saved and was sent to me....



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2620

 


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« Reply #2620 on: February 25, 2008, 02:18:56 PM » Caps

 

Yes, it only state a bussiness to a person.. if the Bussiness is closed, the database show it up as a non-active bussiness.

if the bussiness move, the address also is change. but I see several names that do not have a bussiness no more in the database......

the GDI is a new database of where every house is listed and the current address of a person is and so can locate the house.

in the case of Steve Croes, THe address he mention is where his Telepone calling businesss is register is Shiribana 3-I

In GDI when search, do not exist but the map show the house.

The map Show all the house location but the Shi3-I is not in the database....strange....but it does exist in real life. but you can not SQL it.

This make me believe that the land/house on the MAP is not link to anyone. all other land/house location is link to an Address. exept this one. it was the SHI-3I that cought my attention.

Strange.
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« Reply #1453 on: August 21, 2008, 10:35:31 AM »

Thanks Mum, I knew you would recognize that address...it becomes even more interesting each day, doesn't it.  I am sure Caps knew who lived or worked at that address...but I can't say why just now.
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« Reply #1454 on: August 21, 2008, 12:21:34 PM »

Thanks Mum, I knew you would recognize that address...it becomes even more interesting each day, doesn't it.  I am sure Caps knew who lived or worked at that address...but I can't say why just now.



Found this…I am again not sure what Caps was trying to say…and I have no idea where this address is, but it doesn’t appear to me to be next door to the Shiribani 3-I, so Caps must have meant Charles in that other post….Maybe…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.660

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #662 on: April 23, 2008, 01:11:35 AM »   
 
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 01:09:12 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.

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« Reply #1455 on: August 21, 2008, 01:42:31 PM »

Let's say Caps did have the name incorrect...innocent mistake with all the Croes running around on Aruba...how does that change all the other things we have concluded from that post?  Does it even make a difference other than the address is wrong?  Did we ever know the real address of Steve Croes? 
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« Reply #1456 on: August 21, 2008, 02:18:14 PM »





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2620

 


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« Reply #2620 on: February 25, 2008, 02:18:56 PM » Caps

 

Yes, it only state a bussiness to a person.. if the Bussiness is closed, the database show it up as a non-active bussiness.

if the bussiness move, the address also is change. but I see several names that do not have a bussiness no more in the database......

the GDI is a new database of where every house is listed and the current address of a person is and so can locate the house.

in the case of Steve Croes, THe address he mention is where his Telepone calling businesss is register is Shiribana 3-I

In GDI when search, do not exist but the map show the house.

The map Show all the house location but the Shi3-I is not in the database....strange....but it does exist in real life. but you can not SQL it.

This make me believe that the land/house on the MAP is not link to anyone. all other land/house location is link to an Address. exept this one. it was the SHI-3I that cought my attention.

Strange.



OK...here is the post...I think he means Charles, and I haven't been able to find an address for Steve, unless he lives next to Rufo.

I think he says Charles is not in the new database, GDI? Well maybe he is in the map part.

Not sure why the Shiribana 3-I caught his attention...


I swear I am going to start a thread..."Caps-What did he mean?"
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« Reply #1457 on: August 21, 2008, 03:36:22 PM »

I seem to remember Steve Croes' address posted somewhere.  So if he doesn't live where Caps said, then where does he live?  I think he meant CC as well.  But...would this address not be a business and does everyone on Aruba run a business from their home or what? 

I would love to see a layout of this place Shiribana.  I am wondering how the houses line up on the street.
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« Reply #1458 on: August 21, 2008, 06:34:31 PM »

Finngirl - thanks for the clarification between Eyebrows and Max Arendzs.  Eyebrows is the one who went to Florida and was Urine's friend.  I do remember that confusion now.  I think there was confusion with their fathers in the Lion's Club Roster, too.

We have never been able to determine who the father of Steve Croes is.  CAPS was convinced that it was Hendrick, brother of Betico and Rudy.  There's even confusion about whether Rudy is Betico's brother.  At one point, CAPS did produce something from that central registry.  It listed Steve and his parents as coming from Curacao.  The father was listed as Hendrick, but that doesn't mean that he is "the Hendrick".  Steve did live next door to Rufo.  He was living with his grandmother who is also the mother of Steve's aunt -Rufo's wife.  I don't think that Steve had his own house in 2005.  If I recall, Rufo did an interview when Steve was being questioned by ALE and he was claiming that his nephew next door was a nice quiet guy with a young son.  Not long ago, I visited Steve.  His son is a little older now and there were pictures of Steve, the kid, and Steve's new girlfriend.

I don't think that I recall seeing a picture of the Max Arendzs who is Lorenzo's friend.  Does anyone have one?  Our friend also told us that Rufo is the retired Police Chief and that he was given the assignment of cleaning up the Matty Apartments the next day to get rid of all of the evidence.  I always felt that this was probably where Armin got his Simian information.

Has anyone heard anything from CAPS?
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« Reply #1459 on: August 21, 2008, 06:43:04 PM »

Would Steve's address be on the statement he gave to ALE?
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