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« Reply #1460 on: August 21, 2008, 06:47:39 PM »

Hi SS...You want me to try and find ALL that stuff...LOL

Somewhere there is definite documentation that Betico, Hendrick and Rudy are brothers. Not even sure if it was posted in Shango, but it was posted by either vms or Pita, I think and we finally got that straight. Their father and all the siblings were listed. Will look and see if I saved it. (Think I would have learnt by now!)

Hmmm...I got confused as to who Steve was supposed to be living with...his grandma. So I think that would be Rufo's MIL...a Croes.

Also don't remember the Matty Apartments and Rufo...sure I will run into it as I have been going over the old threads a lot lately.

Will check in the Important Documents for a pic of Max...not sure if there was one in the Race Junkies...Pretty sure some clever pic Monkey will have one for you.

No Caps...He hasn't been visiting us in Shango, but he hasn't been here for a few weeks now.
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« Reply #1461 on: August 21, 2008, 07:32:19 PM »

SS...found some reading for you...LOL...At the bottom are the last 2 times Caps was here and I don't think you were, and the first one you were here.

I recall Pics of both Maxes and their Dads being posted in NAH, pretty sure Pita posted some, so I am hoping she can help you with Max Arendz pic.

Well here Caps is saying that they are not brothers but I think he has always said that…Also says that Hendrick is running the show…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.msg396543#msg396543

785 on: July 06, 2008, 12:57:24 AM » Caps   
 
Quote from: klaasend on July 06, 2008, 12:28:54 AM
Capslock - Let me ask your personal opinion.  Could Karen Janssen and Jan van der Straten have wanted to do the RIGHT thing but could they have been stopped by Deutekom?  Were their hands tied by Deutekom?

KAren and van der Straten wanted the case to come out, but Deutekom had them already under his control....in the OM notting get done without the aproval of duetekom...He is the one that tells Mariam what to say and when to say it.

and then there is Rudy Croes which is the minister of Justice, has the title but no power...he is like Hans Mos. The power is in Hendrick Croes who is the brother of Betico Croes which is the uncle of Rudy Croes.

Hendrick Croes is the back-office (where things are beeing run from) but with no title. In the last election, Rudy croes could not be Minister of Justice and so they made a deal where he will be the front (Puppy say all guy) and Hendrick the real Minster Of Justice. in the eyes of the true MEPS party supportes, they believe that Rudy is running the show but he is not).

Teresa was placed there by Hendrick Croes and so was Marian. both hands where tied down since this guy Duetekom was send protect the blunders that Rudy Croes was commiting... This guy hands are in all the mayor organisation including the UN.

For the case in 2004 we Read what he presented to the court and it was all a fabrication based on what he knows about you.
e.g. if you are an expert in some thing, he will use that knowlage to potraay that since you know about something, that means that the possibility is that you have done it. (So how can you proed that you can not have done it).

In the case of Natalee, Joran boost but he did not do it, but since he boost, he wanted the game to continue and so they stoped him right in there. He will not boost any more.

If I had to call some one to question, I will start with Duetekom and Rudy Croes and the prime Minster and Hendrick Croes.
Steve Garido Croes Jr.



I think Caps made one more post about Steve Croes, not sure though, after this…

I think this was Caps first post on this page SS, and the post I copied is at the second link., may skip a page here and there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3077.100


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3077.140


« Reply #151 on: July 17, 2008, 06:36:51 PM »   Caps
 
Steve G. Croes is the son off who?

1. Hendrick Croes
2. Rudy Croes
3. Mitch Croes

Select the right candidate and be part of the friends and Famaly Group

Now for DirtyHand,

worked on the Permiso Gate,
worked on the Driver License Gate,
worked on the Minister Ramon Lee Sexual/rape Gate
worked on the Joran V/D Sloot Gate
Worked on the Hendrick Hit and Run Gate

all are MEP Government related case.

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SS…This is the last time Caps was here…Think it covered quite a few pages...First post

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.msg402661#msg402661
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« Reply #1462 on: August 21, 2008, 11:12:05 PM »

Lorenzo's friend, Maxito (Max) Arendsz (on the right.)

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« Reply #1463 on: August 22, 2008, 04:08:49 AM »


SS: your memory is the same as mine ...
re Steve/his son living w/ Steve's grandparents
next door to Tio Rufo/his wife

a thought re the address registry
and how accurate it really is/was:
someone could be registered at one place
but living somewhere else either long/short term,
yes?

people/families/couples disagree/argue ...
or their finances take a dive ...
and they stay at someone's place for awhile
or someone moves in to share expenses/etc
until the situation improves

any idea re how often the registry is updated
and what's required from individuals
in terms of reporting changes?

what kinda registry is it, anyway?

I'm familiar w/ sex offender registries
but have never come across something like this
where the gov't keeps track of who lives where
and how could they possibly update it often enough
to keep it accurate?
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Pita: thanks for the photo of Maxito

at first glance he doesn't look familiar ...
I don't remember his hair being that dark/that straight
but it's been quite awhile
and I've not seen that particular photo before

the ones I recall he was leaning against the fender of his ride
and in group shots w/ his racing team/buds

but thank you for finding that one
_ _ _ _ _

I'm gonna be gone for about 10 days ...
no doubt all kinda stuff will break while I'm away!

keep up the good work/laters

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« Reply #1464 on: August 22, 2008, 05:31:28 AM »

Finngirl, here's another of Maxito Arendsz (far right.)  Andry Lopez (Peeps) to the left of him.

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« Reply #1465 on: August 22, 2008, 05:56:56 AM »

Thanks Pita...Finngirl...you are going to have a lot of catching up to do...

From the Race Junkies thread....not sure of the post dates of the first ones, but some of Peeps posts have a familiar ring to them 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.20


 Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2007, 06:08:53 AM » Quote 

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Peeps: I am the owner of Boost Unit website and the webmaster of the speedshop. I don't know what your deal is with us or anything. We don't have nor want anything to do with some stupid teens, americans, dutch, surinam or any nationality whatsoever involved with this annoying case. We don't know that teen Joran nor his 3 chocolate factory buddies. They are not of our age bracket. We are some motorsports fans and that's all there is to it.

I request you to put your detective wannabee skills into something more productive. I am just helping you out here that you'll heading towards a dead end. Just trying to save you some time. Regards to everyone

omega: Hiya, Peeps! Welcome to the Scared Monkeys, Natalee Holloway THEORY & SPECULATION FORUM. I've often wondered why so few webmasters ever seem to notice when dozens of hits unexpected come to their websites from unexpected places. Hope you enjoy your visit here, I suppose you're right and that "The Butler Did It!!" will soon be proven. Can you please tell me to whom you refer when you wrote, "...Joran and his three chocolate factory buddies." Who are these 3 individuals? Thanks so much.

Peeps: knew about this site from the newspapers, plus its name is pretty "catchy". I got my monthly referrals report today (Aug 1) and what do I see? More than 50 referrals from the famous NH connected "scared monkeys". The purpose of this particular speculation forum is all good. I just don't want our names stickied on the internet,especially something that we have no part in. This is not the first time that somebody wants to connect us with the fatass dutchy. I did a typo, I meant 2 chocolate buddies.

karen: hi, peeps! no disrespect intended! just posting the trail that led to maxito, as we've been told he is lorenzo's, aka locoman's, alibi. could you share a little re lorenzo, just so we have everyone straight? maybe you can help us, & we can help you? thx!

Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."

omega: Thanks for the clarification, Peeps. I take it that, on Aruba, that perhaps Joran doesn't really have a large number of friends, that maybe the social/personals websites are exagerrating the popularity of, as you state, the fatass dutchy & his two chocolate factory buddies. Say, OUR BlogMaster, Red, is on your island, he's there with Texas Equusearch -- why dontcha track him down at the landfill, and have him interview ya?

Ms DarthVada: I thought he meant 3, meaning deepak, satish and freddy. haha

karen: thank you, peeps! just to be sure..we are talking about the maxito arendsz, who is in his 20's? i know there is also a max arends, could that be the one they meant? i REALLY appreciate you taking the time to answer.

Peeps: He's 26. The same as me. He's the same person. Maxito = Little Max in papiamento. A childhood name that got stuck till now. I just notified one of the detectives again about this piece, just in case some false accusations come up. Just taking precautions. If there are more questions I can answer them as far as I can. You can put a separate thread or something or email.

Peeps: I wouldn't know if Joran has a lot of friends or not. You have to take personal sites like Tickle, Hi5, Myspace with a tiny grain of salt. Everyone on that site are the best friends, the kindest people, the best personalities, the biggest pimps, the sharpest girls, a whole lotta hoopla. It's a big game of distraction and illusions.

new girl: Peeps, because you have been so kind in responding to questions here, I have deleted the post I had made that included Karen's links to your site. I have left up only 1 name - the Carib crew out of Florida.

Peeps: Thank you newgirl, I appreciate the cooperation. There's a lot to read on this site, I am busy doing that.

karen: hey peeps! do you know if locoman is known to hang out at casinos? also, is it true his dad committed suicide a coupla yrs ago?

Peeps: His dad owned the Volkswagen dealership here. He killed himself a couple of years ago, that's correct. The dealership is still there, but I don't know if they still have it or whatnot. locoman has a lot of money, but rumors have it that he's misusing the money. I think he doesn't even has to work for the rest of his life. locoman has 2 houses, and I got to know that he used to throw some heavy parties at his homes. That's how much I know. I have no clue if he frequents the casinos / hotels.

new girl: Peeps, is Lorenzo a different guy than locoman? Up until now, everyone said that Lorenzo was the son of the VW businessman who committed suicide and who has two houses and inherited $$.

Peeps: I thought Lorenzo = locoman from previous post. Excuse me if I had understood wrong. So basically it's just old news to you guys.

jozee: I thought Lorenzo and locoman were two different people. Lorenzo is someone who we don't have a pic of, although several people think it's the guy with the blonde dredlocks. Locoman is a dark island-looking person? Am I wrong? I'd like to know who is Alexxx the ax guy! And why does he carry around an ax?

Peeps: Ok. Locoman, no clue who he is. Lorenzo, saw him once. He's a tall Dutch looking fellow. You guys know more about him than me I see. You only need a pic of him.

I hear Shango: If Peeps is from aruba, and goes "everywhere" with Maxito...perhaps Peeps will tell us how the party was that night.

Peeps: We don't go to tourist places. As a matter of fact we haven't been to Carlos and Charlies this year even. We are over that type of party stage. You're beginning to sound like the dumb blonde Nancy Disgrace, simma downa.

I hear Shango: I didn't ask if you went to tourist places..I asked about the party...and before you call me dumb....you should think twice...I have just proven myself smarter than the entire LE....and many others in Aruba.

Peeps: Ok, Another smart comment in there but whatever floats your party boat is fine with me. Dunno what party, like all other questions you've asked me: Not Applicable. Another FYI, the Mansurs are one of the wealthiest families on the island, and also with many business related stories as you will find out sooner or later in your quest. Go fetch.

Peeps: Grasshopper sees the tip of the Iceberg and thinks deeply........"I think that's the whole Iceberg". Ok, enough busting I hear shango's balls. I really don't think the Mansur will connect you to NH case. They have extensive shady practices but I don't foresee any connection. Karen, you see what I mean. I am a native. I know as many other islanders about the M's. Alot of which are not on the web. Now I get an internet worm who just found last week what Aruba is, telling me he/she has everything. We are laughing so hard at this that we are having headaches.

karen: i hear ya, peeps, i get the headaches, too! won't you pleez tell us some lorenzo stories??

rockyroads: oh magic crystal ball - i see some arrests

I hear Shango: Peeps...I see the whole iceberg...better run....unless you are a VERY good swimmer...

Peeps: I hear Shango, My applogies to you for being rude. Sometimes it's needed to get the point across, and it's my favourite tool. No hard feelings.

rockyroads: hey peeps, are you a poker player? at the casinos much? i'm sorry to ask so many questions man i am just happy to talk to someone from the real island

Peeps: Yes I am a poker player. We play at home pretty much. We try to get out of the casinos as much as possible. There are quite a few stories about locals losing tons of money in casinos. From time to time we go casino sight seeing if you will call it and also the $50- $100.000 big Bingos at La Cabana and Renaissance Casino. Any more questions feel free, I will try to answer them. As for the smart a$$ comments, I'll try to give them the stick.

2 days later, discussion begins w/ TES/turtle eggs

Peeps: These turtles are endangered worldwide, and have been laying eggs at the eagle beach more than anyone can remember. From the eggs less than 1% will be able to be a grown up turtle. Do you see why your comparisson to a couple of dogs on the street make you look as dumb as a crumbled brick now. Get your a$$ over here and look instead of cooking your fat asses on that computer screen, looking at pix the whole day and making childlike judgements. I am done venting.

rockyroads: Peeps, get your fat a$$ out and help find Natalee and then we will go home!! Your turtle eggs do not compare to a human beings life. by the way it is your own dutch government that gave them permission to search there and let them come back to the island . sorry if i am privledged and i can sit on my fat a$$ all day on the computer thats way i live in america

Peeps: LOL. I don't have any responsibility in that, thank you. Swing and a miss.

rockyroads: Its ok if i swing and miss because the big hit is going to be to the islands pocket book

Dallas Also: Peeps, we are only speculating because we can't get straight answers from your citizenry. Someone tells us they saw a body in the landfill. We dig up the landfill. No body. We hear lighthouse. We go look around the lighthouse. We hear Holiday Inn. We go look. We hear Fisherman's Huts. We drain a pond. We look. We chase our tails. Has Natalee been seen on your island since the night of her disappearance? If she went to a party, who else saw her?

Peeps: Dallas, perfectly understood. I understand the tail chasing, but that's what you do if you want to get things solved, you look at everything, the minute they come before you. It's not like in the movies, or CSI Miami, where everything goes perfectly in sequence. I mean these detectives are not like they are un-trained. They frequently go to courses in Europe and even the FBI. Plus they have support from the FBI team. Your right that lots of mistakes were made by lack of training and knowledge of procedures., but we've got to strive forward. I was also one of the thousands who burned my butt in the sun, searching the beaches for NH. Losing my precious weekend time with my family and go searching for this girl.

Oxygenated Lady: Peeps - why are you so angry??

Peeps: Some people on this forum are sooooooooooo friggin Ignorant, it's unbelievable. It's like they don't know anything around the world. They have no clue about why certain things go the way they go over here and don't want to understand either. That's the main problem on this forum. Guys that's the way we do it over here. It's a different law system, understand it. Don't rebel against, accept it. I wonder if it's this type of arrogance and ignorance that so hated about some americans in the world. Expand your mind with real things instead of reading Shango BS that goes nowhere.

new girl: I understand your frustration, Peeps. But our frustration isn't much different than yours. We know we have no clue why things have gone the way they have over there. We are begging to understand.

eleye: let me tell you why...because a criminal element is present and puts big money into their economy...exposing that means ruining that island and that's why the aruban people are mad, scared or indifferent. this case exposes the belly of the beast and they are getting nervous that an island that runs on tourism and crime, will crumble.

Peeps: You are 15 years late. You know who the belly were?
Marlboro Company
Citi Bank
ABN AMRO Bank
Hotel Chains.
American / European bank
Mr. Pablo Escobar.
There were even some White Citations with bald eagle encriptions on them. Who can that be. Everybody gained from the small washing machine with white beaches. There is a reason why I tell you why there won't be any embargoes or economic restrictions.

I hear Shango: IMO the main trade that brings money to that island wouldn't be subject to sanctions or embargos....cause its illegal stuff and it is still there in full force.

I hear Shango: I try to expand my mind....but no one in Aruba will open up and tell us anything of use relative to this case....since you are so open and knowledgeable about the wildlife and other stuff there, would you be willing to give Beth a tour of the island? You know, show her where the underground begins? Show her the brothels and drug houses and where the private parties are held....show her where Natalee was REALLY taken that night....

Peeps: Willing to help, sure. But not with these unbased nonsense such as these. It's my nature to ignore these stupidities. No offense. Instead of playing in the casino with a baseball hat every night, she could have gone to the brothels. and see for herself. Or if she went, she can tell you what she saw. Private parties, well newsflash, they are private.

I hear Shango: Peeps....I will let Beth know you are on board for a tour... as for Beth at the casino....I assume you have been there and seen her every night? Did you ever stop to think that she may be in the casino doing surveillance of her own? I am sorry if you aren't invited to the parties...I didn't mean to offend.

Dallas Also: Peeps, was Natalee wearing a baseball cap when she was in the casinos each night? You know, someone has the opportunity to earn $100,000 to $1,000,000. And be a national hero to Aruba, I would predict.

Oxygenated Lady: Peeps, You are there...can you HELP us? Tell us about the baseball cap reference, please.

Peeps: I was thinking about the cameras in the casinos a few days back. Another reason why we have to thank the dutch legal system is that no info can be given to the public. The answer has to lie on the cameras. I know they have a 2 week history on those recorders. I also know that every corner gets surveilled by those cameras. I think that's what the FBI wants to go after now. They want to sift through evidence, documents. I have no problem with that. The FBI has more experience. The Aruban police should have made and agreement with the FBI from day one, instead of being that proud.

eleye: so, you think the fbi hasn't seen those yet? you think "that" is what the fbi wants to go after....that meaning the tapes? or that meaning the people on them?

Dallas Also: I stand by my question. How did Peeps know about her wearing, or not wearing, a baseball hat? Is he exaggerating when he says "every night?" Bottom line is: is Peeps in a position where he is able to observe things? In the mighty name of Jesus, will someone have the courage in Aruba to come forward?

new girl: Peeps, who do YOU think we should be focusing on here?

Peeps: She couldn't have been kidnapped. Not by plane. Not by boat. There are 2 surface radars, the Dutch marine coast guard. And nobody can leave without Customs clearance. Kidnapped in Aruba? That could be a posibility but why. She wanted to get free from her parents. Well by judging her last entry into her yearbook. That can also be a possibility. I firmly believe that she's been dumped into the sea on the west coast. Let her drift into the ocean. She would have been eaten by barracudas and other fishes, crabs in no time. Possibiliy to recover bones now, nil. I really want to see some change in sea currents caused by tropical storms, so that the sea can flush something back on shore. Then we would have something. This f***ing Joran is sly, and has a rarely seen strong character. There is a dutch team who specialize in interviewing suspects now with him. As I understand they are drilling him, and also filming him in order to look for any anormalities. The only way out I see, is to crack him. But without some evidence SOON it's difficult.

Dallas Also: Peeps, he turns 18 in just 3 more days. There is some thought that he can then be interrogated "as an adult". Surely the Aruban people can see that this kid is the one bringing problems on all of them.

Peeps: I would have to hit the books about that tomorrow. PVDS will also try all his tricks to prevent that. I'll have to see the possibilities. It would be better for all of us if he can be considered as an adult. More perks for the interviewers.

Peeps: I certainly got punched really good by you crazy monkeys tonight. Pleasant day tomorrow. Godspeed.

august 25

finngirl11 quotes arubagirl: They have questioned friends, such as Max Arendsz and Lorenzo van Rijn, and I believe one other guy was questioned for sure, as I believe a few girlfriends. DIARIO wants those pictures

Peeps: Alright guys, I just found out a little detail: There are 2 Max's on the island. But....the difference lies in the last name: Max Arends - @20 years old. And associated with Joran.Max Arendsz - 26 years old. Owner of the Speed Shop and has no clue who Joran and his posse is. Somehow, the names got mixed up and misleading info spread like wild fire. Anyhow, back on topic.

[actually, he had been asked about older Max/younger Max on aug 1]

Peeps:From my uber reliable source, the local detectives searched his house twice already, but what to do if you can't find anything.
The police know about the parties, etc etc. And they also agree that LVR is a little kwak kwak in the head.
Anyhow, I got this pic from a source of mine, which I think will be the only pic you'll be able to find of him.
This is from his van, and guess who's driving.
So there, I helped you guys a little. I hope I don't get shafted like many helpful Arubians have been misused / abused in the past by los americanos. http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg
Don't ask me for more.
Don't ask me for higher resolution.
Don't ask me for bigger pictures.
I still stand by my opinion that you guys are losing your time with this fellow.
See you next time.

Dan in Tx: My Aruban contact tells me LVR's mom's house in Saveneta was NOT searched along with the other house and his boat and car, and furthermore has not been searched even to this day. This person tells me polis want very badly to search the Saveneta 'ranch house' that I believe belongs to his mom but aren't allowed near it as it is 'not in the scope of the search'. Can you verify or refute this please?

Peeps: That's right Dan. Other note: That's the best I can provide you guys. Use your photoshop skills to better the pic.

from another thread

sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello. From the Aruba Speed Shop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless... SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

MisGivings: Is this the 'rave' guy? And, wasn't some of Natalee's clothing found in his basement?

sandraK: No clothes were found...!! Nothing

jozee: SandraK, So Lorenzo runs with the guys from the Speed Shop?? I thought Peeps said he only met him once??

sandraK: and ???

jozee: ...and back at ya...if he met him once how does he run with them?

sandraK: I didn't know Peeps was Max Arendsz....I'm Sorry.. 

jozee: SandraK, I don't believe he is Max...if you are to believe what he says they are best friends...just do a search on Peeps posts and you can see for yourself. He came here after a bunch of Monkeys hit on the speed shop during research. I don't know if he posts anymore....

sandraK: WE PM 

ARUBA SPEED SHOP

Business address DOMINICAWEG 11, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company ARUBA SPEED SHOP
Date of commencement 4 FEBRUARY 2003

OWNERS/PARTNERS
ARENDSZ, PEDRO MAXIMO (JR);
Residing in JANSZSTRAAT 4, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 6 NOVEMBER 1978
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 18 FEBRUARY 2003
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1. TO OPERATE A GARAGE COMPANY.
2. TO IMPORT AND THE RETAIL TRADE IN AUTO PARTS AND -ACCESSORIES.
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« Reply #1466 on: August 22, 2008, 08:16:04 AM »


More from the Race Junkies thread…

I have seen enough posts on this to convince me that Paulus was never a Judge…He was a high ranking official, a lawyer at that. Maybe he was the “fallen Judge” as he never was one.

No wonder Anita kept calling him a Judge. Was it better to refer to him as a Judge in training rather than working as a liason officer for the Dutch Government?

Who told us that Paulus was a Judge? Was this fed to us from Aruban press or did the government put this out there. Is this why they let Paulus drive himself, instead of being driven in a Police car?

BTW...A liason officer with the Dutch Goverment makes a lot more sense as to a US Vice-Consul being seen at his house...Hmmm....Consulates...State Department...Meetings in Fort Lauderdale as early as 6/8...No arrests until 6/9...

The Dutch and Arubans have the US over a barrel regarding the FOPs, Venezuela and Colombia.

Reply #97 on: April 19, 2008, 03:14:46 PM »   
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« Reply #334 on: June 24, 2005, 04:16:38 AM
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What can you tell me about this Lorenzo... so I can do some research on him. All I know is that he suppose to a son to Paulus Van Der Sloot.

He's allegedly 26-27 years old.  IF the vdSloot part of his story is true, which I still doubt highly, he would most likely have been born in Holland, possibly Arnehm, where Paulus lived when he was married to Anita and they had Joran.

(I don't know that Arnehm is Paulus's hometown, but it's a known place to start.)  We've heard that Paul was a school teacher before he got into government service in Aruba 10 years ago and did whatever legal training he is supposed to have, whether he has a law degree or not. 

Paulus's job in Aruba for the past few years has been as one of the department of Liaison between The Netherlands and Aruba--and I believe, others of the Dutch Antilles.  That is KABNAA and he was appointed to a 3-year term ending in Jan 2006, except that he evidently has been let go since all this started.

So, who is Lorenzo's mother?  Could it be the Deborah vRijn in Oranjestad, perhaps a widow, or is that just too easy?

Lorenzo's "father" on Aruba is said to have been the Volkswagen dealer on the island and he committed suicide three years ago.  The VW dealership that is there now is:

R & S Automotive N.V.
Address: Barcadera 4
Phone: (297) 585-3004 / (297) 585-3008
Fax: (297) 585-9115 

Note that it's on Barcadera, not sure exactly where that address is, but one of the very earliest searches for Natalee was in the Barcadera area.  I suppose someone could call them and ask questions about the former (late) owner.  He was said to be well known, obviously, since he was a car dealer who needed to have his company name out in the public.

Lorenzo is said to have two homes on far opposite sides of the island--one a mansion and one brightly painted (may be the same one).  Other vague details are that he has a basement in one of these houses, which is rare on Aruba (if not non-existent, IMO); that he gives "underground" parties, meaning *raves*, which are unruly and unsupervised;  that he is "crazy" himself, or perhaps "touched in the head" since his father's death; that he owns a speedboat; and that he was called in for questioning in Nat's disappearance, just before SG Croes was, but he was not detained.

   




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« Reply #1467 on: August 22, 2008, 08:19:18 AM »

One for Lala's...

ALLYINMIAMI on June 28th, 2005 11:14 pm

alcatl—that was pretty funny

Lucy u were right, those simians were imposters, the real simian e-mails me after his blobs to confirm it—he is legit—


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« Reply #1468 on: August 22, 2008, 09:03:50 AM »



More Lorenzo…Not Joran in the video tape, but Lorenzo.  So who would Lorenzo’s buddies be connected to the case of the 14 year old? We are talking a whole different age group here! If this was so, no wonder no-one got charged with anything….every body walked. Did ALE deliberately lead us towards Joran’s Pimp friends and away from Lorenzo/Paul Brough?

First post talking about Lorenzo, questioned of the beginning of the week…Only person on the Dr. Phil Log is Guido Wever, 6/3, 6/7 and 6/8….Lorenzo Wever?

Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 05:20:11 PM »   
 
Hi Sharon,

Looks to me that Lorenzo was brought in the 16th of june in addition to being questioned at the end of the month. I have a feeling that he was questioned the first week after Natalee went missing as well. Pietjezz says this from the translation on 6-10-05:Now i dont know if im going paranoid or what, but at the beginning of the week my neighbor told me that the police arrested Lorenzo because he had something to do with the case!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.20

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Hi guys, thanks for the warm welcome.

I'm almost afraid to post this, because I really to want to spread around the wrong info, but hasn't another Dutch guy been arrested? With the initials L.v.R.? Any locals hearing this? I've heard this from 2 different sources last night, but not from the press.

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Leslie, those are not the last names.

Oh, and he was only hauled in for one questioning, not detained. Sorry


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new girl on June 28th, 2005 10:38 pm
 
The hints from the tipsters and the early rumors about Lorenzo made it sound as though Lorenzo was psycho and potentially violent. Subsequent hints were that he has slaughtered dogs, that he was getting friendly attention from Natalee during the first 3 days of her vacation (because he seemed cool and crazy), and that he got pissed off and jealous when she began paying attention to Joran. I believe also that Lorenzo is 5 or 6 years older than Joran and rumors say he has buddies in the drug and police realms. Oh yeah, and it is rumored that LORENZO, and not Joran, is featured in the video of the gang rape of the 14 year old girl.
 
These things may explain why nobody is speaking. If I was a teenager in-the-know, I wouldn’t risk my neck going up against a corrupt police official and his psycho-dog-slaughtering-Natalee-raping-and-slaughtering-gang-rape video-making buddy. Especially if it also meant possibly busting my friends and also getting myself in trouble with the law / my parents for taking drugs or hanging out at illegal drug parties.

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« Reply #1469 on: August 22, 2008, 09:29:45 AM »



SS....Found it...Thanks again for this vms...
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« Reply #1470 on: August 22, 2008, 11:16:07 AM »

SS...found some reading for you...LOL...At the bottom are the last 2 times Caps was here and I don't think you were, and the first one you were here.

I recall Pics of both Maxes and their Dads being posted in NAH, pretty sure Pita posted some, so I am hoping she can help you with Max Arendz pic.

Well here Caps is saying that they are not brothers but I think he has always said that…Also says that Hendrick is running the show…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.msg396543#msg396543

785 on: July 06, 2008, 12:57:24 AM » Caps   
 
Quote from: klaasend on July 06, 2008, 12:28:54 AM
Capslock - Let me ask your personal opinion.  Could Karen Janssen and Jan van der Straten have wanted to do the RIGHT thing but could they have been stopped by Deutekom?  Were their hands tied by Deutekom?

KAren and van der Straten wanted the case to come out, but Deutekom had them already under his control....in the OM notting get done without the aproval of duetekom...He is the one that tells Mariam what to say and when to say it.

and then there is Rudy Croes which is the minister of Justice, has the title but no power...he is like Hans Mos. The power is in Hendrick Croes who is the brother of Betico Croes which is the uncle of Rudy Croes.

Hendrick Croes is the back-office (where things are beeing run from) but with no title. In the last election, Rudy croes could not be Minister of Justice and so they made a deal where he will be the front (Puppy say all guy) and Hendrick the real Minster Of Justice. in the eyes of the true MEPS party supportes, they believe that Rudy is running the show but he is not).

Teresa was placed there by Hendrick Croes and so was Marian. both hands where tied down since this guy Duetekom was send protect the blunders that Rudy Croes was commiting... This guy hands are in all the mayor organisation including the UN.

For the case in 2004 we Read what he presented to the court and it was all a fabrication based on what he knows about you.
e.g. if you are an expert in some thing, he will use that knowlage to potraay that since you know about something, that means that the possibility is that you have done it. (So how can you proed that you can not have done it).

In the case of Natalee, Joran boost but he did not do it, but since he boost, he wanted the game to continue and so they stoped him right in there. He will not boost any more.

If I had to call some one to question, I will start with Duetekom and Rudy Croes and the prime Minster and Hendrick Croes.
Steve Garido Croes Jr.



I think Caps made one more post about Steve Croes, not sure though, after this…

I think this was Caps first post on this page SS, and the post I copied is at the second link., may skip a page here and there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3077.100


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3077.140


« Reply #151 on: July 17, 2008, 06:36:51 PM »   Caps
 
Steve G. Croes is the son off who?

1. Hendrick Croes
2. Rudy Croes
3. Mitch Croes

Select the right candidate and be part of the friends and Famaly Group

Now for DirtyHand,

worked on the Permiso Gate,
worked on the Driver License Gate,
worked on the Minister Ramon Lee Sexual/rape Gate
worked on the Joran V/D Sloot Gate
Worked on the Hendrick Hit and Run Gate

all are MEP Government related case.

CAPS


SS…This is the last time Caps was here…Think it covered quite a few pages...First post

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.msg402661#msg402661


Keep in mind we still don't know Steve's father's name.  Rufo was his UNCLE.  That according to FOX news, I think.  Let me see if I can find my info too.  I think I do have something we would want to see, if I can locate it.  I have file upon file of stuff  about Steve.
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« Reply #1471 on: August 22, 2008, 11:25:20 AM »

I have lots of info, but most is what SS has already posted.  I will repost if anyone wants to see the family tree again.  Does anyone remember Steve's grandmother that was also AG's grandmother too?  I have forgotten her name now.  Seems that Caps was indicating that Steve was related to Hendrick in that line of the family.  I still don't see that since Hendrick's family would not be living where Rufo's family lived...it's not fancy enough for the status he would need to maintain.  JMO
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« Reply #1472 on: August 22, 2008, 04:03:06 PM »



A Toyota Celica and Seroe Alejandro/Savaneta….Is this the other car?

BTW…GinoX is Gino Angela…email on the FP…gov.aruba? 

Checkme Says:

June 17th, 2005 at 9:17 am

Savaneta is on the east side of Aruba. This morning’s local newpaper reports a person being detained at Saveneta. I have seen pics of this person’s house in savaneta on the net, on the day they arrested the three.

subdude on June 28th, 2005 11:30 pm

Lucy: Oowie, that stung a tad. Yust Yoking:)
Ya’ll gals are crazy, and I’m a little punchy. Two a.m. blogger last night.
HmmHmmHmm (clearing throat): APB: Where is Seroe Alejandro? What does seroe mean, lovely folks?

Lucy on June 28th, 2005 11:30 pm

Subdude
Yliana is your only hope now, but I’ll give it a try. I think it is in an area?town called Savaneta, east of Oranjestad. Yliana can confirm.


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subdude on June 28th, 2005 11:12 pm
Ally:
Glad to help where I can. And to think I was tired a few minutes ago. I really do enjoy the connection through this blog. Very democratic.

Lucy: Fred and Ethel doing the Mambo. The Gringo in me cringes at the thought:)
Yliana: Help with local info, please. Name of National Park? Dana’s repeated “blue water”s mean anything, especially regarding the country house of LvR reported to be off the beaten path in Seroe Alejandro?


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Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 08:13:34 PM »   
 
new girl: when I asked what kind of car lorenzo drove it was because of this post I’d found. Per checkme, he drives cool cars and crashes them, correct? Here’s the link, scroll down to GinoX’s post about a guy in Seroe Alejandro that has a Celica . It looks like we may have a way to get more info, at least see if it’s him. At the end, search the Gino X’s posts — he has a contact email. What do you think — could be something. Could be nothing….

http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=87897
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1198

Who owned the gray Toyota?

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness pointing out an area of interest
 
Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement about a gray Toyota

One of these guys? Maybe Max Arendz?

Name: Luis Ramirez
Date: 28 June 2005 / 11:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's stepfather

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
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« Reply #1473 on: August 22, 2008, 06:24:29 PM »

Thanks everyone for the Lorenzo information.  I was tuned into him long ago, but somehow he dropped off my radar screen.  He's definitely back up there again.  Has anyone read LVR's statement?  I wonder exactly what Max's alibi was for him. If the 5th was home all night with a tight alibi, there had to be more than just Maxito to support this.  It's interesting that AG had scoop on Lorenzo very early.  The ongoing references to him being with Natalee earlier in the week are driving me crazy, because this would follow the information about the wild and crazy guy who got into a confrontation with Urine.  These things are all pointing to LVR as the 5th.  The Brough/LVR video connection also bothers me.  Has anyone ever made a connection between Paul Brough and Ernesto other than both being in Miami?  If not, it gives me something else to think about and a possible motive to protect Freddy with Shango's help. Did LVR avoid being identified by the media when he was initially brought in because he might have been questioned at a different police station on the east side of the island?  If Maxito and Lorenzo are close in age, they know each other.  The island isn't that big.  How could he be his alibi, if he doesn't know him?  He knows him.  We need our friend to help us with possible additions to the guest list.  I would like to know who else supported the alibi that has made it "so tight".  I am wondering if some of the other party-goers also claimed that they were at Lorenzo's house, all night.  I'm starting to think that NH was taken there after the video production.
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« Reply #1474 on: August 22, 2008, 06:33:35 PM »

Does anyone know who allyinmiami is or anything about her?
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« Reply #1475 on: August 22, 2008, 08:14:48 PM »

Does anyone know who allyinmiami is or anything about her?

She mentioned her birthday. IIRC, she mentioned being part of a latin culture family. She may even have mentioned the country, but I don't recall.

I don't believe she ever really mentioned 'why' she was posting. Or what she did in Miami. I don't even remember her saying 'goodbye' 

I was always fascinated by the name because I did not read it like a gir's name -- ally. I read it as 'friend' or 'not enemy' -- ally in Miami.

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« Reply #1476 on: August 22, 2008, 08:27:05 PM »

Thanks everyone for the Lorenzo information.  I was tuned into him long ago, but somehow he dropped off my radar screen.  He's definitely back up there again.  Has anyone read LVR's statement?  I wonder exactly what Max's alibi was for him. If the 5th was home all night with a tight alibi, there had to be more than just Maxito to support this.  It's interesting that AG had scoop on Lorenzo very early.  The ongoing references to him being with Natalee earlier in the week are driving me crazy, because this would follow the information about the wild and crazy guy who got into a confrontation with Urine.  These things are all pointing to LVR as the 5th.  The Brough/LVR video connection also bothers me.  Has anyone ever made a connection between Paul Brough and Ernesto other than both being in Miami?  If not, it gives me something else to think about and a possible motive to protect Freddy with Shango's help. Did LVR avoid being identified by the media when he was initially brought in because he might have been questioned at a different police station on the east side of the island?  If Maxito and Lorenzo are close in age, they know each other.  The island isn't that big.  How could he be his alibi, if he doesn't know him?  He knows him.  We need our friend to help us with possible additions to the guest list.  I would like to know who else supported the alibi that has made it "so tight".  I am wondering if some of the other party-goers also claimed that they were at Lorenzo's house, all night.  I'm starting to think that NH was taken there after the video production.


What are the Arawaks hiding? A suspect?.......

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card [DirtyHand] sing because hand holding it dirty too. [Arawaks]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked [was released] with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played [played by PVDS]

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« Reply #1477 on: August 22, 2008, 08:36:15 PM »

A very helpful and clever monkey directed me to this website...
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/07/23/what-really-happened-to-natalee-holloway

Supposedly, Allyinmiami knew Shango and conversed with Simian and Checkme.  She claims to have been copied on the FP of SM and as a result was banned.    Anyway these are posts made by allyinmiami on another website.  I find some of them very interesting.  She mentions some things that I don't think we weren't aware of in 2005.  Some of the dialogue between she and Stefani is very interesting.
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106. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
"Shango Says" is a very interesting Riddle written using that username in June of 2005.Proof of a password to realizing if it is the true composer, "SHANGO" is Allyinmiami. There have been MANY Simian and Shango imposters on the net.
Varied skeptism as to "WHO" Shango really can be. Someone has taken on the username and posted this riddle to possibly tell about WHAT really happened to Natalee, perhaps they were there ? or perhaps they are clearing a conscience, and want to secretly EXPOSE the deep corruption existing on the island of Aruba. Hokey ? I do not think so, nor do MANY others. Interpret it, perhaps, but it would take a lot of work. Constantly rereading it and surfing to locate the meaning behind the hidden clues, fascinating. Do I believe the SHango author KNOWS what happened and WHAT goes on there on that island of Aruba ? Absolutely I do 110 % !!

Read and see. I firmly believe that the answers lie within SHango, don't u too, Columbo ? Give us more !!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190#comment-25477

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts?page=181,31

Sunday, November 6th, 2005 @ 2:57pm


Is she referring to the Matty Apts. back in 2005?
118. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
10061909~Scubajap reported in a couple of the forums that the first link which shows buildings was NOT what we think. The restaurant there, interesting enough is owned by the stepfather of the K x's.These are located very close to the Sloot's property.These were discussed heavily at the Natalee forum that has shut down for approx. 3 weeks ? now. I do not know. I feel that she was taken to a private party at the home of the 1/2 bro, of Lorenzo Wever. He is under 30 as the psychic said. Under the influence of X would certainly do her in, especially if she was given too large of a dose !

488. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

i am sure u all have already seen this, but it is a great source. Columbo=several connections. Brickell Bay Drive in MIAMI, is a huge real estate market; very lucrative. In addition to that "PIPKIN" (douglas) was one of the initial buyers when the area was first becoming developed. A (Posner) and Pipkin (nickname) Redbo, were in the Military together. Both placed bets at the track here in Miami, last Spring..on the same race. This seems to be at the approximate time that the VDS were here.
Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006 @ 11:12pm

788. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
Stefani that is okay...i understand...I didn't know that anyone was impersonating me...Therefore, i was caught off guard... Thanks for the welcoming...I actually have two questions (for right now) 1) Does this board always take sooo long to load...and is there anywhere else that we can post that in less time consuming.....2)Has anyone heard from checkme?.....Yes, i conversed with SIM too...however, check and i became close (friends)...and then as we commence conversing in greated depth...my e-mail was hacked and his account was closed at aol....I just have been concerned...

Tuesday, December 13th, 2005 @ 12:57pm

Is Ally saying that she was taken from the party location to Lorenzo's house or somewhere else?790. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
i think so, Columbo...through the maze......she entered and was taken out back to another High Roller destination or to a place where they would keep her until ready for the next transaction/destination...
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« Reply #1478 on: August 22, 2008, 08:45:17 PM »

Arawak Dirty Hand:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card [DirtyHand] sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

(the game, pg 4: http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf )
 hand, rules of the game: pg 18
***pg 7-Arawak dirty hand***

what Babalu said:
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango said that:
DirtyHand is the link
He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house [DirtyHand's key?]
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation [dirty hand]
meet
, under cover of delusion. [DirtyHand is the link-holds the key]
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!
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« Reply #1479 on: August 22, 2008, 09:19:32 PM »

Thanks everyone for the Lorenzo information.  I was tuned into him long ago, but somehow he dropped off my radar screen.  He's definitely back up there again.  Has anyone read LVR's statement?  I wonder exactly what Max's alibi was for him. If the 5th was home all night with a tight alibi, there had to be more than just Maxito to support this.  It's interesting that AG had scoop on Lorenzo very early.  The ongoing references to him being with Natalee earlier in the week are driving me crazy, because this would follow the information about the wild and crazy guy who got into a confrontation with Urine.  These things are all pointing to LVR as the 5th.  The Brough/LVR video connection also bothers me.  Has anyone ever made a connection between Paul Brough and Ernesto other than both being in Miami?  If not, it gives me something else to think about and a possible motive to protect Freddy with Shango's help. Did LVR avoid being identified by the media when he was initially brought in because he might have been questioned at a different police station on the east side of the island?  If Maxito and Lorenzo are close in age, they know each other.  The island isn't that big.  How could he be his alibi, if he doesn't know him?  He knows him.  We need our friend to help us with possible additions to the guest list.  I would like to know who else supported the alibi that has made it "so tight".  I am wondering if some of the other party-goers also claimed that they were at Lorenzo's house, all night.  I'm starting to think that NH was taken there after the video production.


What are the Arawaks hiding? A suspect?....... they were hiding Lorenzo's involvement

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.  Steve Croes was not supposed to come forward

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian…. Lorenzo?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?  Are the cards his sons - Urine and Lorenzo?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon  Lorenzo?
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas. Urine and the Kalpoes
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card [DirtyHand] sing because hand holding it dirty too. [Arawaks]  They can't let Lorenzo sing because there are too many big people involved in his drugs and porn videos?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders Lorenzo does business with too many important people in Aruba
He walks in all houses
And he walked [was released] with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played [played by PVDS]

Paulass played the card (Lorenzo) because he knew that ALE couldn't expose Lorenzo and his illegal operations.  They would have to cover everything up.  DTKM is Dirty Hand #1, but Lorenzo must also be a dirty hand because he runs the drugs and porn on Aruba.





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