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« Reply #1480 on: August 22, 2008, 09:37:51 PM »

Does this make sense....

Julia provides the photography equipment from her business
Urine and the Pimps provide the girls
Freddy and Julia film the productions
LVR fences the videos through Brough in Miami

LVR is in charge of the drugs and the porn.
LVR had a confrontation with his half-brother, Urine, because LVR was the wild and crazy Dutch guy who was holding hands with NH and had dinner with her earlier in the week.
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« Reply #1481 on: August 22, 2008, 10:11:17 PM »

crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[he repeats himself] Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.


Sim - when you speak of this boy I think everyone thinks you are talking about Joran but your not are you - you are talking about this other individual.

Big Pappy Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:22 pm
Simian, you’re freaking me out now, alot of us think the boy ain’t right but what are you saying? So much stuff on him? History we don’t know about?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not. (An Arawak!)

He....is PVDS

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« Reply #1482 on: August 23, 2008, 12:26:24 AM »

crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[he repeats himself] Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.


Sim - when you speak of this boy I think everyone thinks you are talking about Joran but your not are you - you are talking about this other individual.

Big Pappy Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:22 pm
Simian, you’re freaking me out now, alot of us think the boy ain’t right but what are you saying? So much stuff on him? History we don’t know about?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not. (An Arawak!)

He....is PVDS


They all "fled" off Aruba and onto the Netherlands. Posner, Guido Wever, Gottenbos family, Greg V Cromvort, etc....in the beginning this was, all except Joran. Why?
Because IMHO Joran can identify someone who is 'alive (not dead) and healthy (not sick)...

Someone who doesn't leave his 'lair', 'den', 'home', whatever. Someone who is above Lorenzo, SCroes, but 'neath Jan van der Straten. Remember him? the godfather in all of this. Prolly hatinjg what has been put into action...and now he figures he may as well retire (hahahahaha - laughing as that is so a joke!!!)

If it was nothing, Joran would have confessed outside of that car camera. But it was SOMETHING, and he confessed in the car.

ALWAYS REMEMBER, DEEPCRACK TOOK A SHOWER BEFORE GOING TO JORAN'S HOUSE THAT NIGHT.... CUZ THEY WERE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE AFTERWARDS C&C. HE TOOK A SHOWER TO HANG IN A BAR (C&C) FOR 30 MIN? NAAAA. HE TOOK A SHOWER TO APPEASE jORAN AND JORAN'S GOING AFTER NATALEE.... AND THEN THEY DROVE SOMEWHERE.

tO THIS RAVE AT LORENZO'S, OR BACK TO THE HOLIDAY INN....NOT SURE NOW.

BUT THEY DROVE IN DEEPCRACK'S CAR SOMEWHERE THAT NIGHT.

AS SHE WAS GOING IN AND OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

WHAT A SIN.   WHAT A TRAVESTY.

SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT. DEEPCRACK AND SADTUCHE KNOWS IT AIN'T RIGHT....

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm    ****honey LADEN notes *****

Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, The Prince ***THE PRINCE AT THIS BALL IS NO PRINCE CHARMING ***
, The Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, The Director

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« Reply #1483 on: August 23, 2008, 05:30:32 AM »


SS: your memory is the same as mine ...
re Steve/his son living w/ Steve's grandparents
next door to Tio Rufo/his wife

a thought re the address registry
and how accurate it really is/was:
someone could be registered at one place
but living somewhere else either long/short term,
yes?

people/families/couples disagree/argue ...
or their finances take a dive ...
and they stay at someone's place for awhile
or someone moves in to share expenses/etc
until the situation improves

any idea re how often the registry is updated
and what's required from individuals
in terms of reporting changes?

what kinda registry is it, anyway?


I'm familiar w/ sex offender registries
but have never come across something like this
where the gov't keeps track of who lives where
and how could they possibly update it often enough
to keep it accurate?
_ _ _ _ _

Pita: thanks for the photo of Maxito

at first glance he doesn't look familiar ...
I don't remember his hair being that dark/that straight
but it's been quite awhile
and I've not seen that particular photo before

the ones I recall he was leaning against the fender of his ride
and in group shots w/ his racing team/buds

but thank you for finding that one
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I'm gonna be gone for about 10 days ...
no doubt all kinda stuff will break while I'm away!

keep up the good work/laters





According to our "elusive friend", the government of Aruba maintains a registry of people who live in Aruba and move there.  I believe we were told that this registry is held in one of the government offices.  Basically, it gives the individual's names, parents, date of birth, and place of birth.  Steve Croes and his family were in this registry when they came to Aruba from Curacao.  It's not the same registry as the Chamber list.  The entry for Steve and his family is back in the Shango thread from last Spring - probably around March or April.  We need a CAPS thread.
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« Reply #1484 on: August 23, 2008, 05:48:14 AM »


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[he repeats himself] Checkme…check this…and please recheck:Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.   Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

Is this why Posner was so angry that the security tape from the casino was released to the media?  Who, besides Urine and Paulass, are on that tape?  Is LVR on that tape or is there another security tape from a few days before that we haven't seen?
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« Reply #1485 on: August 23, 2008, 05:54:41 AM »

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

____________

If this is correct, more people than just Maxito Arendzs provided the alibi.  Would this be Julia, Chemaley, and the rest of the party-goers?
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« Reply #1486 on: August 23, 2008, 08:17:49 AM »

This is Max Arends (Eyebrows), friend of Urine.  The event was his grandfather's 90th birthday.
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« Reply #1487 on: August 23, 2008, 08:25:16 AM »

This is Anouk.  Does anyone know anything about her?  She may be a cousin of John Chemaly.
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« Reply #1488 on: August 23, 2008, 10:35:08 AM »

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

____________

If this is correct, more people than just Maxito Arendzs provided the alibi.  Would this be Julia, Chemaley, and the rest of the party-goers?


But..but...Colombo says the first guy was Paulus? 
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« Reply #1489 on: August 23, 2008, 08:00:05 PM »

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

____________

If this is correct, more people than just Maxito Arendzs provided the alibi.  Would this be Julia, Chemaley, and the rest of the party-goers?


But..but...Colombo says the first guy was Paulus? 

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened
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« Reply #1490 on: August 24, 2008, 03:01:50 AM »

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

____________

If this is correct, more people than just Maxito Arendzs provided the alibi.  Would this be Julia, Chemaley, and the rest of the party-goers?


But..but...Colombo says the first guy was Paulus? 



I know Lala's.  I'm seeing the first guy as possibly Lorenzo.  I just can't get my head around Paulass as a wild and crazy guy.   
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« Reply #1491 on: August 24, 2008, 08:09:27 AM »

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

____________

If this is correct, more people than just Maxito Arendzs provided the alibi.  Would this be Julia, Chemaley, and the rest of the party-goers?


But..but...Colombo says the first guy was Paulus? 



I know Lala's.  I'm seeing the first guy as possibly Lorenzo.  I just can't get my head around Paulass as a wild and crazy guy.   

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.
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« Reply #1492 on: August 24, 2008, 08:10:25 AM »

sounds like a "rap"....

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« Reply #1493 on: August 24, 2008, 08:58:03 AM »

Good Morning,

I have a few questions and I don't even know if anyone has the answers.

I am having trouble seeing Paulass as the 5th and the guy from earlier in the week.  I can't see Natalee or any other girl her age having any attraction to him.  We have to be missing something in Simian's message.  I think that I am stuck on Simian's statement that the cool and crazy guy could be Paulass because he is on the tape next to her in the casino.  The security tape from the casino does show Natalee sitting at the table with Paulass and Urine.  What if there are more security tapes that we haven't seen.  Those tapes hold weeks of casino images.  Were the tapes of Paulass released intentionally to confuse us and protect Lorenzo?  I also recall hearing about Natalee being on a security tape from a jewelry store.  What if this is the tape the ALE has and the tape Simian is referring to?  Could Lorenzo have been with Natalee on the jewelry store tapes?  Perhaps he bought her a gift.  Have we been looking at the wrong tape?  Do the images from this jewelry store tape exist anywhere?

We have heard many references that Lorenzo was the Dutch guy who was seen with Natalee earlier in the week.  They supposedly had dinner together and were seen holding hands.  Did we ever find any definite statements from MB students or HI employees that they identified Natalee with Lorenzo?  We have reports that Natalee was with Lorenzo, but there aren't any reports that Natalee was seen with Paulass anywhere but in that casino footage.  Her MB girlfriends have to know something about who she was with.  If Lorenzo has been identified as the cool and crazy Dutch guy from earlier in the week, then there has to be additional security tapes that we have not seen.
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« Reply #1494 on: August 24, 2008, 09:11:17 AM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.
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« Reply #1495 on: August 24, 2008, 09:16:32 AM »

Good Morning,

I have a few questions and I don't even know if anyone has the answers.

I am having trouble seeing Paulass as the 5th and the guy from earlier in the week.  I can't see Natalee or any other girl her age having any attraction to him.  We have to be missing something in Simian's message.  I think that I am stuck on Simian's statement that the cool and crazy guy could be Paulass because he is on the tape next to her in the casino.  The security tape from the casino does show Natalee sitting at the table with Paulass and Urine.  What if there are more security tapes that we haven't seen.  Those tapes hold weeks of casino images.  Were the tapes of Paulass released intentionally to confuse us and protect Lorenzo?  I also recall hearing about Natalee being on a security tape from a jewelry store.  What if this is the tape the ALE has and the tape Simian is referring to?  Could Lorenzo have been with Natalee on the jewelry store tapes?  Perhaps he bought her a gift.  Have we been looking at the wrong tape?  Do the images from this jewelry store tape exist anywhere?

We have heard many references that Lorenzo was the Dutch guy who was seen with Natalee earlier in the week.  They supposedly had dinner together and were seen holding hands.  Did we ever find any definite statements from MB students or HI employees that they identified Natalee with Lorenzo?  We have reports that Natalee was with Lorenzo, but there aren't any reports that Natalee was seen with Paulass anywhere but in that casino footage.  Her MB girlfriends have to know something about who she was with.  If Lorenzo has been identified as the cool and crazy Dutch guy from earlier in the week, then there has to be additional security tapes that we have not seen.

remember-what was being kept hidden was one of two cards played by PVDS, not necessarily a suspect:

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.



from an earlier post:
"On 6-23 MARIAINE CROES said "There is a reasonable suspicion that (Paulus van der Sloot) knows something and is involved in the disappearance." In a statement, Croes called Paulus van der Sloot the fifth suspect in the disappearance of NATALEE. "

CNN
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.
Posted Jun 23, 3:10 PM

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« Reply #1496 on: August 24, 2008, 09:18:37 AM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

re: 5th suspect
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

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« Reply #1497 on: August 24, 2008, 11:53:16 AM »

Colombo, everything that you are saying makes sense.  I just can't go with Paulass as Natalee's boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The thought is repulsive.  She probably didn't know that Paulass was Urine's father because he had given her the story about being a visiting soccer player from the Netherlands, but I just can't see her getting involved with a man his age and specifically with Paulass.  It does something to my sensibilities.
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« Reply #1498 on: August 24, 2008, 12:29:00 PM »

SS:

Felt that way myself.......

His Lordship is there to preserve Babylon, not the elder
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/


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« Reply #1499 on: August 24, 2008, 12:37:29 PM »

Does anyone know who allyinmiami is or anything about her?

She mentioned her birthday. IIRC, she mentioned being part of a latin culture family. She may even have mentioned the country, but I don't recall.

I don't believe she ever really mentioned 'why' she was posting. Or what she did in Miami. I don't even remember her saying 'goodbye' 

I was always fascinated by the name because I did not read it like a gir's name -- ally. I read it as 'friend' or 'not enemy' -- ally in Miami.



Hi Sharon...How was Bruuuuuuuce?

I thought I read a post of hers that said she could have been born in Poland, but was born here...Interesting thought on Ally...

COLUMBO...Anything to add on Ally...
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