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« Reply #1500 on: August 24, 2008, 02:13:06 PM »

Colombo, everything that you are saying makes sense.  I just can't go with Paulass as Natalee's boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The thought is repulsive.  She probably didn't know that Paulass was Urine's father because he had given her the story about being a visiting soccer player from the Netherlands, but I just can't see her getting involved with a man his age and specifically with Paulass.  It does something to my sensibilities.

Natalee was not interested in Paulus at any time. She was a 19 year old girl in what she thought was paradise....Paulus was not on her list.  I know everyone wants it to fit into the Simian verse...but if she had anything at all to do with Paulus...the MB teens would not be able to keep that hidden.  They would have identified him already.  No way Beth would have let that piece of info be hidden under any circumstances.  That one thing could easily have implicated Paulus from the beginning and he would never have been able to manipulate this case as has happened.  Until Beth tells me Paulus is the boyfriend I refuse to believe it.
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« Reply #1501 on: August 24, 2008, 04:32:30 PM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

I have a question that I hope someone can answer for me.

The codetalker prose says there are TWO FATHERS and TWO SONS - one son was LATE for school and one son was ON TIME for school. JORAN=one son and the BOYFRIEND FROM EARLIER IN THE WEEK =perhaps the other son.

So we have 4/5 different people?

1) ELDER, who is now a FALLEN ELDER,  = ??  AN ELDER IS AN OLD FAMILY NAME ON ARUBA
2) JUDGE, who is now a FALLEN JUDGE  = PAULUS (BUT HE WAS NEVER REALLY A JUDGE...WAS HE?)
3) DIRTYHAND = ?? SOMEONE WHO WE THOUGHT WAS SICK/DEAD WHO IS NOW ALIVE AND WELL AND ALL ARE AFRAID OF THIS PERSON. SOMEONE WHO MADE THE ELDER'S KIDS FLEE ARUBA AS THIS WAS HIS 'POWER'.
4) SINGING CARD = STEVE CROES? or IS THIS DIRTYHAND?
5) ARAWAK SINGING CARD = THEY KEEP HIM HIDDEN SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS...or IS THIS DIRTYHAND?
Sorry if this was discussed previously...

Shango below says the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden, and that the 'fallen judge' and the 'singing card' are of the same hand.  So Paulus and singing card=steve croes? are of the same hand?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage. To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune. The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys. But the loot remains hidden. And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well. The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune. He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring.  (to save joran's life...!)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. the gods are talking.

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key. He walks with the elders. He walks in all houses. And he walked with the fallen elder. he was the hidden card that was played. now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time.

Shango Says:June 27th , 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder The gods are talking.


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:18 pm
DirtyHand does not play with the lions. but he has entered the maze. the lamb is a scapegoat. DirtyHand knows. So does the Elder.

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe. Follow the music, the lions are not tame. DirtyHand knows, so does the elder.


AND WAS THE 5TH THE SON OF THE ELDER?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

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« Reply #1502 on: August 24, 2008, 05:17:52 PM »

Colombo, everything that you are saying makes sense.  I just can't go with Paulass as Natalee's boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The thought is repulsive.  She probably didn't know that Paulass was Urine's father because he had given her the story about being a visiting soccer player from the Netherlands, but I just can't see her getting involved with a man his age and specifically with Paulass.  It does something to my sensibilities.

Natalee was not interested in Paulus at any time. She was a 19 year old girl in what she thought was paradise....Paulus was not on her list.  I know everyone wants it to fit into the Simian verse...but if she had anything at all to do with Paulus...the MB teens would not be able to keep that hidden.  They would have identified him already.  No way Beth would have let that piece of info be hidden under any circumstances.  That one thing could easily have implicated Paulus from the beginning and he would never have been able to manipulate this case as has happened.  Until Beth tells me Paulus is the boyfriend I refuse to believe it.

Based on Shango NH would not necessarily have had to have known

It fascinates me to a degree when focus is on Joran then date rape must be involved

On PVDS, no way NH would have been interested

so we have A+B and then B+C

what about A+C......who switched places!!??
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« Reply #1503 on: August 24, 2008, 05:23:06 PM »

Simian is relaying discussions relating to motive, etc......but Shango calls him out for not talking about "the game".....the real underlying motivations

the boyfriend thing may be in relation to actual evidence as opposed to the underlying motivations

I'm inclined to lean towards the Loesge post
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« Reply #1504 on: August 24, 2008, 05:27:21 PM »

re: "same hand"
"in their fold"
re-posting-

   (the game, pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf  )
 hand, rules of the game: pg 18
***pg 7-Arawak dirty hand***

"but it was NOT A GAME"
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« Reply #1505 on: August 24, 2008, 06:47:07 PM »

Colombo, everything that you are saying makes sense.  I just can't go with Paulass as Natalee's boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The thought is repulsive.  She probably didn't know that Paulass was Urine's father because he had given her the story about being a visiting soccer player from the Netherlands, but I just can't see her getting involved with a man his age and specifically with Paulass.  It does something to my sensibilities.

Natalee was not interested in Paulus at any time. She was a 19 year old girl in what she thought was paradise....Paulus was not on her list.  I know everyone wants it to fit into the Simian verse...but if she had anything at all to do with Paulus...the MB teens would not be able to keep that hidden.  They would have identified him already.  No way Beth would have let that piece of info be hidden under any circumstances.  That one thing could easily have implicated Paulus from the beginning and he would never have been able to manipulate this case as has happened.  Until Beth tells me Paulus is the boyfriend I refuse to believe it.




Lalas you are right on the money.  There is no way that Paulass spent time with Natalee earlier in the week.  I am more convinced than ever that there are more security tapes other than than one that we have seen from the casino.  Armin has to be referring to tapes other than that one.  C&C had tapes, Holiday Inn had tapes, and the jewelry store had tapes.  If I recall, Beth was aware that Natalee was on the security tapes from the jewelry store because I think she went there.  What do you think our chances are of getting a hold of the jewelry store tape - I know, I know.  If she was hanging out with Lorenzo, they must have walked through the HI lobby at some point and were caught on their tapes, too.  I recall that Beth sat and personally looked through all of those tapes.  Somewhere, there was a picture of her sitting in the room watching the screens.  Does anyone have contact with any of the MB kids who could possibly verify that Natalee and Lorenzo were together?  I guess none of them became SM posters.  Where is CAPS when we need him?  Lorenzo has to be the one from earlier in the week and the one who confronted Urine.  I wonder if he confronted Urine because he was jealous or because maybe he was afraid that when Natalee came out from under the drugs the next day, she would be able to identify him (Lorenzo) as having been at the event.  Perhaps he was angry at Urine for bringing her there and possibly exposing him.  If he had been so hung up on her, he would have been with her on her last night in Aruba.


CAPS - if you are lurking, we need some information about Lorenzo being with Natalee.
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« Reply #1506 on: August 24, 2008, 08:03:52 PM »

p.18      http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
catch hand
turn out hand

elders of "the game" (pg 4), not just of babylon (arawak!)

"he (5th) has a history of making himself something he's not (Arawak?)"
"a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis" (hand holding it dirty, too!)

the fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same (catch) hand, but it is dangerous for the arawaks to play it

"DirtyHand knows the babylonians who provided escort after the shivas left (turn out hand)" (He is the link! he holds the real key!)

"why did the girl owe money?"
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« Reply #1508 on: August 24, 2008, 08:30:41 PM »

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf

pg 5:   "entering the fold"


 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:04 am
DirtyHand is the the Keystone!  (hand holding it dirty, too!)
The lamb is in their fold, and the shivas ("Slanderfoot clan"-the catch hand???).
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« Reply #1509 on: August 25, 2008, 06:35:17 AM »


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[he repeats himself] Checkme…check this…and please recheck:Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.   Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

Is this why Posner was so angry that the security tape from the casino was released to the media?  Who, besides Urine and Paulass, are on that tape?  Is LVR on that tape or is there another security tape from a few days before that we haven't seen?


Maybe Posner was on the tape himself??  His lawyer said he was not even in Aruba that night. Did we ever get to the bottom of Joshua Posner?

Jossy had to know all about Posner wayyyyyyy before he did that article on him in Diario, so what was the purpose of the article?

In recent postings another Security Company came to light, other than GVC's Daddy's company.  Will have to check my notes.



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« Reply #1510 on: August 25, 2008, 07:11:51 AM »

Colombo, everything that you are saying makes sense.  I just can't go with Paulass as Natalee's boyfriend from earlier in the week.  The thought is repulsive.  She probably didn't know that Paulass was Urine's father because he had given her the story about being a visiting soccer player from the Netherlands, but I just can't see her getting involved with a man his age and specifically with Paulass.  It does something to my sensibilities.

Natalee was not interested in Paulus at any time. She was a 19 year old girl in what she thought was paradise....Paulus was not on her list.  I know everyone wants it to fit into the Simian verse...but if she had anything at all to do with Paulus...the MB teens would not be able to keep that hidden.  They would have identified him already.  No way Beth would have let that piece of info be hidden under any circumstances.  That one thing could easily have implicated Paulus from the beginning and he would never have been able to manipulate this case as has happened.  Until Beth tells me Paulus is the boyfriend I refuse to believe it.




Lalas you are right on the money.  There is no way that Paulass spent time with Natalee earlier in the week.  I am more convinced than ever that there are more security tapes other than than one that we have seen from the casino.  Armin has to be referring to tapes other than that one.  C&C had tapes, Holiday Inn had tapes, and the jewelry store had tapes.  If I recall, Beth was aware that Natalee was on the security tapes from the jewelry store because I think she went there.  What do you think our chances are of getting a hold of the jewelry store tape - I know, I know.  If she was hanging out with Lorenzo, they must have walked through the HI lobby at some point and were caught on their tapes, too.  I recall that Beth sat and personally looked through all of those tapes.  Somewhere, there was a picture of her sitting in the room watching the screens.  Does anyone have contact with any of the MB kids who could possibly verify that Natalee and Lorenzo were together?  I guess none of them became SM posters.  Where is CAPS when we need him?  Lorenzo has to be the one from earlier in the week and the one who confronted Urine.  I wonder if he confronted Urine because he was jealous or because maybe he was afraid that when Natalee came out from under the drugs the next day, she would be able to identify him (Lorenzo) as having been at the event.  Perhaps he was angry at Urine for bringing her there and possibly exposing him.  If he had been so hung up on her, he would have been with her on her last night in Aruba.


CAPS - if you are lurking, we need some information about Lorenzo being with Natalee.


SS…Just checked and Caps has not logged in since the wee hours of August 4th. This is his last post. Not sure that I recall him not checking in for this long before.

Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #766 7/22

on: July 31, 2008, 05:28:53 PM


The Answer lies inside these lines

Simian, why was the key (Money) from the Babylons Palace (Dutch Lodge) not used to open the Sumerians Door ?

In Aruba an undertaker can not never open a cemetary but there is a special cemetary that only those that belongs to the LIONS go and only a Grand Master can open it. That is the Lodge Cemetary in Aruba.

We do not need to look far....



Can’t put my hands on it right now, but I have a FP post from one of our Aruban posters, that said suspects were not normally questioned for the first 24 hours that they were detained. This does not jive with J2K or Steve Croes, does with Paulus and with Freddy if indeed he was arrested on 6/11. Those listed on the Log as being interrogated on 6/17…Koen, Sander and Freddy.

LOL…I told Finnfirl she wouldn’t catch up, and here I am still back where SS came back posting…and 38 pages behind in the Index…
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« Reply #1511 on: August 25, 2008, 10:51:32 AM »

re: "same hand"
"in their fold"
re-posting-

   (the game, pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf  )
 hand, rules of the game: pg 18
***pg 7-Arawak dirty hand***

"but it was NOT A GAME"

Colombo - thanks for bringing that link back.

I read it several times this morning and I this is the right path to follow for many reasons:

Joran's and friends nic was 'pimp'.
Codetalkers referenced comics and the report contains 'Superman'.
Codetalker mentions Sir Thomas Moore and there is a Moore in the report.
Codetalker mentions 'the PIMPle is about to pop".

From Page 3:
Pimps perpetrated this myth with their own flamboyant dress, flashy jewelry, and exotic, expensive cars
[Deepak's car that Joran drove, "King of Bling"]

From Page 4:
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”
[This is all a “lugubrious game” to them.]
To the pimps, an important component of the game was domination of their females
through endless promises and mentally sapping wordplay, physical violence, and
financial control. The pimps created a system in which their prostitutes were
incapable of supporting themselves or escaping their reliance on the pimp.
[Why did the girl owe money?]   A prostitute lived either in her pimp’s home or in a room at a motel or boarding house paid for by the pimp.Also, the pimp frequently used threats of violence to control his prostitutes, or rewarded his prostitutes with drugs for meeting monetary goals. [The medi-jet] Other times, a pimp dispensed drugs to a prostitute to ensure that she was able to function through the night and into the early morning hours. [which is when she went missing]

[Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house, and so Dirty Hand was discovered]

so is DirtyHand the BIG BAD PIMP?
[The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive.]
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« Reply #1512 on: August 25, 2008, 12:07:57 PM »

Colombo,

Do you think that Natalee found a b'friend earlier in the week who was in fact a 'PIMP" and she didn't know it? He took her to the jewelry store to buy her a gift. And then this "PIMP" sees her with Joran (another 'lower on the food chain'  PIMP) and she was now in the middle of something of which she had no clue? Two boys, who happen to be PIMPS and she was clueless?

Are the children of the elders scared of the first PIMP? or of the first PIMP's daddy or pop-pop?

From Page 5:
Despite the pimps best efforts to subjugate their prostitutes, the rules allowed a prostitute to move from one pimp to another by “choosing.” [Did Natalee even know this blue eyed b'friend was a MAJOR PIMP?]  [The game was played in the GREAT HOUSE]

Prostitutes turned tricks in adult clubs, in parking lots, on mattresses behind local businesses, in cars, in motel rooms, or in rooming houses. A prostitute charged $30 to $80 for each trick, and was required to turn over all of this money to her pimp.

This was accomplishedby the prostitute making her intentions known to the new pimp, and then presenting the new pimp with money, a practice known as “breaking bread.” The new pimp would then “serve” the former pimp by notifying him that the prostitute had entered his fold. [The Lamb returned to the fold. Mary Rolled. And the lions played.]

From Page 6:
Choosing another pimp was not without risk for the prostitute. A prostitute could be punished for merely looking at another pimp; this was considered “reckless eyeballing.” Owner pimps apparently were afraid that if their prostitutes were sufficiently impressed with another pimp’s vehicle, clothes, and manner, she might choose a new pimp.

Other rules governed a prostitute’s conduct. She was required to surrender all of the money from her dates; if she did not, she would be guilty of “cuffing.” She was also required to unquestioningly obey her pimp and treat him with respect; if she did not, she was “out of pocket.” At the whim of her pimp, a prostitute was obligated to have sexual intercourse with him, another pimp, or even another prostitute. The pimps sometimes brutally enforced these rules.

Prostitutes endured beatings with belts [Joran's belt that was washed up on the shore], baseball bats, or “pimp sticks” (two coat hangers wrapped together). The pimps also punished their prostitutes by kicking them ["she fell to the floor and hit her head"], punching them, forcing them to lay naked on the floor and then have sex with another prostitute while others watched, or “trunking” them by locking them in the trunk of a car [DirtyCop that Dave saw slamming his trunk] to teach them a lesson.

From Page 7:
While all the pimps did not pool their profits from prostitution, some did. And the pimps generally aided each other. Pimps bailed each other’s prostitutes out of jail; mentored younger pimps; swapped prostitutes with each other to get a better
“fit;” warned other pimps and their prostitutes of the presence of police; provided condoms, rides, and rooms for each other’s prostitutes; jointly organized private prostitution parties; recruited juvenile prostitutes together; recruited juvenile prostitutes for each other; divided the track geographically to reduce competition; and traveled out of town together to prostitute females in other cities. 


If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.
IF as in 'future" - which means Dirty Hand did NOT fall -- SO DIRTY HAND IS NOT a "FALLEN DIRTY HAND" like the "FALLEN ELDER" and "FALLEN JUDGE".  DIRTY HAND IS STILL AROUND TODAY I GUESS!
   (all paths lead back to Posnr?)
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« Reply #1513 on: August 25, 2008, 04:17:26 PM »

p.18      http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
catch hand
turn out hand

elders of "the game" (pg 4), not just of babylon (arawak!)

"he (5th) has a history of making himself something he's not (Arawak?)"
"a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis" (hand holding it dirty, too!)

the fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same (catch) hand, but it is dangerous for the arawaks to play it

"DirtyHand knows the babylonians who provided escort after the shivas left (turn out hand)" (He is the link! he holds the real key!)

"why did the girl owe money?"

Both Simian and Shango have several fallacies in their prose.  Natalee did not owe money...this thought led Caps to think it was another girl.  When in fact, Shango was only going by what was being reported...in the news.  The story of Natalee owing money and Joran winning it back for her lingered for some time in the media.  It took several interviews for both Beth and Dave to get that story straight. 




"he (5th) has a history of making himself something he's not (Arawak?)"



How did we come up with this being Arawak in this post?  I am confused on that one? What if Simian meant he thinks he's all that and wants to be the stud, but I have watched him and he's all show. I can't figure out the arawak reference.
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« Reply #1514 on: August 25, 2008, 05:13:02 PM »

Poochy-find the right path     Wink

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« Reply #1515 on: August 25, 2008, 06:43:23 PM »

p.18      http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
catch hand
turn out hand

elders of "the game" (pg 4), not just of babylon (arawak!)

"he (5th) has a history of making himself something he's not (Arawak?)"
"a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis" (hand holding it dirty, too!)

the fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same (catch) hand, but it is dangerous for the arawaks to play it

"DirtyHand knows the babylonians who provided escort after the shivas left (turn out hand)" (He is the link! he holds the real key!)

"why did the girl owe money?"

Both Simian and Shango have several fallacies in their prose.  Natalee did not owe money...this thought led Caps to think it was another girl.  When in fact, Shango was only going by what was being reported...in the news.  The story of Natalee owing money and Joran winning it back for her lingered for some time in the media.  It took several interviews for both Beth and Dave to get that story straight. 




"he (5th) has a history of making himself something he's not (Arawak?)"



How did we come up with this being Arawak in this post?  I am confused on that one? What if Simian meant he thinks he's all that and wants to be the stud, but I have watched him and he's all show. I can't figure out the arawak reference.


The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand


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« Reply #1516 on: August 25, 2008, 06:45:24 PM »

Colombo,

Do you think that Natalee found a b'friend earlier in the week who was in fact a 'PIMP" and she didn't know it? He took her to the jewelry store to buy her a gift. And then this "PIMP" sees her with Joran (another 'lower on the food chain'  PIMP) and she was now in the middle of something of which she had no clue? Two boys, who happen to be PIMPS and she was clueless?

Are the children of the elders scared of the first PIMP? or of the first PIMP's daddy or pop-pop?

From Page 5:
Despite the pimps best efforts to subjugate their prostitutes, the rules allowed a prostitute to move from one pimp to another by “choosing.” [Did Natalee even know this blue eyed b'friend was a MAJOR PIMP?]  [The game was played in the GREAT HOUSE]

Prostitutes turned tricks in adult clubs, in parking lots, on mattresses behind local businesses, in cars, in motel rooms, or in rooming houses. A prostitute charged $30 to $80 for each trick, and was required to turn over all of this money to her pimp.

This was accomplishedby the prostitute making her intentions known to the new pimp, and then presenting the new pimp with money, a practice known as “breaking bread.” The new pimp would then “serve” the former pimp by notifying him that the prostitute had entered his fold. [The Lamb returned to the fold. Mary Rolled. And the lions played.]

From Page 6:
Choosing another pimp was not without risk for the prostitute. A prostitute could be punished for merely looking at another pimp; this was considered “reckless eyeballing.” Owner pimps apparently were afraid that if their prostitutes were sufficiently impressed with another pimp’s vehicle, clothes, and manner, she might choose a new pimp.

Other rules governed a prostitute’s conduct. She was required to surrender all of the money from her dates; if she did not, she would be guilty of “cuffing.” She was also required to unquestioningly obey her pimp and treat him with respect; if she did not, she was “out of pocket.” At the whim of her pimp, a prostitute was obligated to have sexual intercourse with him, another pimp, or even another prostitute. The pimps sometimes brutally enforced these rules.

Prostitutes endured beatings with belts [Joran's belt that was washed up on the shore], baseball bats, or “pimp sticks” (two coat hangers wrapped together). The pimps also punished their prostitutes by kicking them ["she fell to the floor and hit her head"], punching them, forcing them to lay naked on the floor and then have sex with another prostitute while others watched, or “trunking” them by locking them in the trunk of a car [DirtyCop that Dave saw slamming his trunk] to teach them a lesson.

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While all the pimps did not pool their profits from prostitution, some did. And the pimps generally aided each other. Pimps bailed each other’s prostitutes out of jail; mentored younger pimps; swapped prostitutes with each other to get a better
“fit;” warned other pimps and their prostitutes of the presence of police; provided condoms, rides, and rooms for each other’s prostitutes; jointly organized private prostitution parties; recruited juvenile prostitutes together; recruited juvenile prostitutes for each other; divided the track geographically to reduce competition; and traveled out of town together to prostitute females in other cities. 


If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.
IF as in 'future" - which means Dirty Hand did NOT fall -- SO DIRTY HAND IS NOT a "FALLEN DIRTY HAND" like the "FALLEN ELDER" and "FALLEN JUDGE".  DIRTY HAND IS STILL AROUND TODAY I GUESS!
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« Reply #1517 on: August 25, 2008, 06:51:05 PM »

Poochy:

Does the linked document create another avenue on who, or what, Shango may have been?
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« Reply #1518 on: August 25, 2008, 09:44:32 PM »

I think it was Elizabeth Cain who said that she had seen Natalee at the Holiday Inn bar with someone earlier in the week and then didn't see her for a day or so.  There has to be something on the Holiday Inn security tapes.  No doubt Ale has those tapes and whoever is at that bar with Natalee is probably the 5th and the boyfirend from earlier in the week,  Does anyone know anything about Elizabeth Cain?  Did she talk to anyone else?  I think that Simian is talking about the Holiday Inn tapes and not the tapes from the casino.
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« Reply #1519 on: August 25, 2008, 10:25:55 PM »

Poochy-find the right path     Wink

[lighting cigar.....]

Colombo - Interesting how she so loved the Wiz of Oz, yet being driven down that 'yellow brick' road led to her disappearance. 

So the 'catch' and the 'turn out'....The pimp wannabe and the dirty hands...drugged and taken to the 'Great House' to be kept and with no way to get out. Disappearing down the maze. The Alpoe pimp wannabes wearing dirty bling bling (and don't forget that chicken bone) riding in that pimp mobile. Showering to hang at C&C for 30 minutes - geesh yeah, right...they 'caught' her for the lordship of the GREAT HOUSE. She wanted to see the head loan shark...they did this 20 times before without a problem...
 
Poochy:

Does the linked document create another avenue on who, or what, Shango may have been?
Is this a 'trick' question? Another avenue, meaning a street or an ally? Not quite tuning into your thoughts. Help me out a bit! 

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