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« Reply #1540 on: August 28, 2008, 05:24:35 AM »

A very helpful and clever monkey directed me to this website...
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/07/23/what-really-happened-to-natalee-holloway

Supposedly, Allyinmiami knew Shango and conversed with Simian and Checkme.  She claims to have been copied on the FP of SM and as a result was banned.    Anyway these are posts made by allyinmiami on another website.  I find some of them very interesting.  She mentions some things that I don't think we weren't aware of in 2005.  Some of the dialogue between she and Stefani is very interesting.
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"Shango Says" is a very interesting Riddle written using that username in June of 2005.Proof of a password to realizing if it is the true composer, "SHANGO" is Allyinmiami. There have been MANY Simian and Shango imposters on the net.
Varied skeptism as to "WHO" Shango really can be. Someone has taken on the username and posted this riddle to possibly tell about WHAT really happened to Natalee, perhaps they were there ? or perhaps they are clearing a conscience, and want to secretly EXPOSE the deep corruption existing on the island of Aruba. Hokey ? I do not think so, nor do MANY others. Interpret it, perhaps, but it would take a lot of work. Constantly rereading it and surfing to locate the meaning behind the hidden clues, fascinating. Do I believe the SHango author KNOWS what happened and WHAT goes on there on that island of Aruba ? Absolutely I do 110 % !!

Read and see. I firmly believe that the answers lie within SHango, don't u too, Columbo ? Give us more !!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190#comment-25477

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts?page=181,31

Sunday, November 6th, 2005 @ 2:57pm


Is she referring to the Matty Apts. back in 2005?
118. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
10061909~Scubajap reported in a couple of the forums that the first link which shows buildings was NOT what we think. The restaurant there, interesting enough is owned by the stepfather of the K x's.These are located very close to the Sloot's property.These were discussed heavily at the Natalee forum that has shut down for approx. 3 weeks ? now. I do not know. I feel that she was taken to a private party at the home of the 1/2 bro, of Lorenzo Wever. He is under 30 as the psychic said. Under the influence of X would certainly do her in, especially if she was given too large of a dose !

488. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

i am sure u all have already seen this, but it is a great source. Columbo=several connections. Brickell Bay Drive in MIAMI, is a huge real estate market; very lucrative. In addition to that "PIPKIN" (douglas) was one of the initial buyers when the area was first becoming developed. A (Posner) and Pipkin (nickname) Redbo, were in the Military together. Both placed bets at the track here in Miami, last Spring..on the same race. This seems to be at the approximate time that the VDS were here.
Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006 @ 11:12pm

788. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
Stefani that is okay...i understand...I didn't know that anyone was impersonating me...Therefore, i was caught off guard... Thanks for the welcoming...I actually have two questions (for right now) 1) Does this board always take sooo long to load...and is there anywhere else that we can post that in less time consuming.....2)Has anyone heard from checkme?.....Yes, i conversed with SIM too...however, check and i became close (friends)...and then as we commence conversing in greated depth...my e-mail was hacked and his account was closed at aol....I just have been concerned...

Tuesday, December 13th, 2005 @ 12:57pm

Is Ally saying that she was taken from the party location to Lorenzo's house or somewhere else?790. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
i think so, Columbo...through the maze......she entered and was taken out back to another High Roller destination or to a place where they would keep her until ready for the next transaction/destination...
Friday, January 13th, 2006 @ 7:29pm










On the same blog post #300 was pretty interesting.......more "gardeners?"
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« Reply #1541 on: August 28, 2008, 06:07:28 AM »

Elizabeth Cain

SS...Questions???...

How does Cain know this is a local man?

Is this man the same person as the Hawaiian looking guy?

Who do we know hung around the beach and HI?

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« Reply #1542 on: August 28, 2008, 09:38:27 AM »

Elizabeth Cain

SS...Questions???...

How does Cain know this is a local man?

Is this man the same person as the Hawaiian looking guy?

Who do we know hung around the beach and HI?





I don't know Mum.  I think it is very strange that there is no description of the man.  I have dug and dug, but I can't find anything more that just Elizabeth's mention of this man.  This does make me think that he is probably on the Holiday Inn security tapes talking to Natalee, and perhaps these are the tapes that Simian is referring to instead of the casino tape with Paulass.  Elizabeth gave this statement to the FBI in Tuscaloosa.  I can't imagine that they didn't ask for more information or perhaps a composite drawing.  The FBI would have had these resources available in Alabama when she gave her statement.  I have to think that there is more to Elizabeth's statement.  I think that Elizabeth Cain is a very important key to who Natalee was with.
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« Reply #1543 on: August 28, 2008, 10:24:34 AM »

A very helpful and clever monkey directed me to this website...
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/07/23/what-really-happened-to-natalee-holloway

Supposedly, Allyinmiami knew Shango and conversed with Simian and Checkme.  She claims to have been copied on the FP of SM and as a result was banned.    Anyway these are posts made by allyinmiami on another website.  I find some of them very interesting.  She mentions some things that I don't think we weren't aware of in 2005.  Some of the dialogue between she and Stefani is very interesting.
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106. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
"Shango Says" is a very interesting Riddle written using that username in June of 2005.Proof of a password to realizing if it is the true composer, "SHANGO" is Allyinmiami. There have been MANY Simian and Shango imposters on the net.
Varied skeptism as to "WHO" Shango really can be. Someone has taken on the username and posted this riddle to possibly tell about WHAT really happened to Natalee, perhaps they were there ? or perhaps they are clearing a conscience, and want to secretly EXPOSE the deep corruption existing on the island of Aruba. Hokey ? I do not think so, nor do MANY others. Interpret it, perhaps, but it would take a lot of work. Constantly rereading it and surfing to locate the meaning behind the hidden clues, fascinating. Do I believe the SHango author KNOWS what happened and WHAT goes on there on that island of Aruba ? Absolutely I do 110 % !!

Read and see. I firmly believe that the answers lie within SHango, don't u too, Columbo ? Give us more !!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190#comment-25477

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts?page=181,31

Sunday, November 6th, 2005 @ 2:57pm


Is she referring to the Matty Apts. back in 2005?
118. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
10061909~Scubajap reported in a couple of the forums that the first link which shows buildings was NOT what we think. The restaurant there, interesting enough is owned by the stepfather of the K x's.These are located very close to the Sloot's property.These were discussed heavily at the Natalee forum that has shut down for approx. 3 weeks ? now. I do not know. I feel that she was taken to a private party at the home of the 1/2 bro, of Lorenzo Wever. He is under 30 as the psychic said. Under the influence of X would certainly do her in, especially if she was given too large of a dose !

488. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

i am sure u all have already seen this, but it is a great source. Columbo=several connections. Brickell Bay Drive in MIAMI, is a huge real estate market; very lucrative. In addition to that "PIPKIN" (douglas) was one of the initial buyers when the area was first becoming developed. A (Posner) and Pipkin (nickname) Redbo, were in the Military together. Both placed bets at the track here in Miami, last Spring..on the same race. This seems to be at the approximate time that the VDS were here.
Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006 @ 11:12pm

788. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
Stefani that is okay...i understand...I didn't know that anyone was impersonating me...Therefore, i was caught off guard... Thanks for the welcoming...I actually have two questions (for right now) 1) Does this board always take sooo long to load...and is there anywhere else that we can post that in less time consuming.....2)Has anyone heard from checkme?.....Yes, i conversed with SIM too...however, check and i became close (friends)...and then as we commence conversing in greated depth...my e-mail was hacked and his account was closed at aol....I just have been concerned...

Tuesday, December 13th, 2005 @ 12:57pm

Is Ally saying that she was taken from the party location to Lorenzo's house or somewhere else?790. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
i think so, Columbo...through the maze......she entered and was taken out back to another High Roller destination or to a place where they would keep her until ready for the next transaction/destination...
Friday, January 13th, 2006 @ 7:29pm










On the same blog post #300 was pretty interesting.......more "gardeners?"


"how would they tell she was pregnant from DNA of cleaning fluid/chocolate?"

COLOMBO...Great question...just not sure how it fits with the gardeners...Lorenzo's gardeners?
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« Reply #1544 on: August 28, 2008, 10:26:59 AM »



Bringing this over from the Race Junkies thread….You all know how I can’t stand coincidences…take a look at the reported birth date and age for Lorenzo….Around what we have for Freddy, almost to the day IIRC….Some-one confusing Freddy and Lorenzo?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.80


This could be all BS.. I dont know it's from a site called witheet.com..But we are all here to find out the truth so we should look at everything.. Certainly contradicts what we already know about him being arrested and detained for questioning on June 16th 2005 and Jossy telling us he is very close to Joran and has been seen with him often. As well as Jossy telling us it is more than rumor he is Joran's half brother and his reporters confirmed it. As well as Anita VDS telling us LVR is 5 years younger than what LVR really is. This is just a blog report that even contradicts what the DJ Mark Benson was reporting in the video.

Who is Lorenzo Van Rijn?

Within the international media is a true "hunt for the truth" fired on the person of helping Joran van der Sloot. Meanwhile, a new culprit emerged that Joran would have helped to make disappearance of Natalee. The 27 year old Lorenzo van Rijn or also known under the name Jaime Carrasquilla (??). Lorenzo would be an illegitimate son of the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot. Lorenzo would be raised by a stepfather who had a VW dealership in Aruba. The house of the stepfather to the Jaraweg, anywhere Lorenzo resident, seems to have a basement where the police already clothing of Natalee has found. Lorenzo also appears to be owner of a so-called "cigarette boat". Lorenzo would also be the one that drugs would have preferred that Joran back doorspeelde to Natelee. The sum, this alleged halfbrother Joran have helped to Natalee in the sea to dump. Read further:

So much for the rumors. Sources report that a van Rijn Lorenzo is the son of Paul and one Astrid van Rijn. His parents were once the car Van Rijn Dieselservice BV in Haarlem, before they sold in 1983 and moved to Aruba. According to the Population Lorenzo was born on September 25, 1981 in the Dutch Haarlem. The conscious Lorenzo would by the suicide of his father Paul van Rijn danig be derailed. The public prosecutor in Aruba will not confirm that Lorenzo van Rijn in the Holloway record and prevents but would confirm that a man with a similar name for violations only of the Opiumwet in their file. The story of Natalee Holloway of clothing found in a house on Aruba, the spokesperson of the Aruban public prosecutor off as the biggest nonsense.

Despite these stiff jaws of the Public Ministry has Witheet the information provided (copy ugotovitve) adopted on June 28, 2005, Lorenzo van Rijn around 17:00 pm local time in the Holloway case has been interrogated by verbalisant GC Heijliger. In this statement to the police van Rijn Lorenzo suggests that he Joran van der Sloot and his two friends Hindoestanen do not know, has never seen or spoken with it. He also shows no science to talk about Natalee Holloway and was at the time of her disappearance home.

Peter R. De Vries also responded to the rumours about Lorenzo van Rijn: in order for him moverende reasons he is despite that the name and background of Lorenzo van Rijn had not gone further with this track. From the side of the family Van der Sloot, and especially Paul van der Sloot about his alleged paternity Lorenza van Rijn, to Witheet confirmed that Lorenzo not a child to him or someone else within the family Van der Sloot. With voorstaande seems to be ontzenuwd rumours.

http://witheet.com/misdaad/who-lorenzo-van-rijn
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Quote from: caesu on February 14, 2008, 01:20:26 AM
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*******, i can confirm without having read a word this is all BS.
Steve Brown writes this crap and he has had a long time feud with Peter R. de Vries.

in this clip Steve Brown is attacking Peter R. de Vries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxxBt5uZYY

more background, but i am not even spending time on it:
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/1997/10/02/Rtv/01.html


 really shouldn't spend time on witheet or steve brown.
it is al misinformation. he would love if dutchies start doubting peter r. de vries.

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« Reply #1545 on: August 28, 2008, 11:03:30 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!
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« Reply #1546 on: August 28, 2008, 11:09:36 AM »

A very helpful and clever monkey directed me to this website...
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/07/23/what-really-happened-to-natalee-holloway

Supposedly, Allyinmiami knew Shango and conversed with Simian and Checkme.  She claims to have been copied on the FP of SM and as a result was banned.    Anyway these are posts made by allyinmiami on another website.  I find some of them very interesting.  She mentions some things that I don't think we weren't aware of in 2005.  Some of the dialogue between she and Stefani is very interesting.
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106. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
"Shango Says" is a very interesting Riddle written using that username in June of 2005.Proof of a password to realizing if it is the true composer, "SHANGO" is Allyinmiami. There have been MANY Simian and Shango imposters on the net.
Varied skeptism as to "WHO" Shango really can be. Someone has taken on the username and posted this riddle to possibly tell about WHAT really happened to Natalee, perhaps they were there ? or perhaps they are clearing a conscience, and want to secretly EXPOSE the deep corruption existing on the island of Aruba. Hokey ? I do not think so, nor do MANY others. Interpret it, perhaps, but it would take a lot of work. Constantly rereading it and surfing to locate the meaning behind the hidden clues, fascinating. Do I believe the SHango author KNOWS what happened and WHAT goes on there on that island of Aruba ? Absolutely I do 110 % !!

Read and see. I firmly believe that the answers lie within SHango, don't u too, Columbo ? Give us more !!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190#comment-25477

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts?page=181,31

Sunday, November 6th, 2005 @ 2:57pm


Is she referring to the Matty Apts. back in 2005?
118. Stefani (Uncertified Bastard)
10061909~Scubajap reported in a couple of the forums that the first link which shows buildings was NOT what we think. The restaurant there, interesting enough is owned by the stepfather of the K x's.These are located very close to the Sloot's property.These were discussed heavily at the Natalee forum that has shut down for approx. 3 weeks ? now. I do not know. I feel that she was taken to a private party at the home of the 1/2 bro, of Lorenzo Wever. He is under 30 as the psychic said. Under the influence of X would certainly do her in, especially if she was given too large of a dose !

488. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

i am sure u all have already seen this, but it is a great source. Columbo=several connections. Brickell Bay Drive in MIAMI, is a huge real estate market; very lucrative. In addition to that "PIPKIN" (douglas) was one of the initial buyers when the area was first becoming developed. A (Posner) and Pipkin (nickname) Redbo, were in the Military together. Both placed bets at the track here in Miami, last Spring..on the same race. This seems to be at the approximate time that the VDS were here.
Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006 @ 11:12pm

788. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
Stefani that is okay...i understand...I didn't know that anyone was impersonating me...Therefore, i was caught off guard... Thanks for the welcoming...I actually have two questions (for right now) 1) Does this board always take sooo long to load...and is there anywhere else that we can post that in less time consuming.....2)Has anyone heard from checkme?.....Yes, i conversed with SIM too...however, check and i became close (friends)...and then as we commence conversing in greated depth...my e-mail was hacked and his account was closed at aol....I just have been concerned...

Tuesday, December 13th, 2005 @ 12:57pm

Is Ally saying that she was taken from the party location to Lorenzo's house or somewhere else?790. ALLYINMIAMI (Uncertified Bastard)
i think so, Columbo...through the maze......she entered and was taken out back to another High Roller destination or to a place where they would keep her until ready for the next transaction/destination...
Friday, January 13th, 2006 @ 7:29pm










On the same blog post #300 was pretty interesting.......more "gardeners?"


"how would they tell she was pregnant from DNA of cleaning fluid/chocolate?"

COLOMBO...Great question...just not sure how it fits with the gardeners...Lorenzo's gardeners?


motive, premeditation......who did they garden for? when? how long has the maze been open?
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« Reply #1547 on: August 28, 2008, 11:10:43 AM »

was that post # 300? I must have the wrong #.......was a different one I meant to reference, but I am not a registered user
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« Reply #1548 on: August 28, 2008, 11:12:32 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!



"the important others were the ones who supported the alibi"

"who's framing who?" (if he's done it in the past, he must have done it this time???)
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« Reply #1549 on: August 28, 2008, 11:17:28 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!



After all posts relating to fifth suspect:

Shango: "Who else plays in the orchestra? A babylonian......"

Shango: "He [DirtyHand] was the hidden card that was played [by PVDS]"

Shango: "DirtyHand knows, so does the elder......"

Shango: "The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand......"

Shango: "hand holding it [singing card] dirty too"

Shango: He [DH] walked [released?] with the fallen elder"
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« Reply #1550 on: August 28, 2008, 11:23:06 AM »

Mum:

That post was #205, sorry.........
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« Reply #1551 on: August 28, 2008, 08:54:02 PM »

I am wondering why Elizabeth Cain described the local person as a "man" and not a guy who would maybe be close to Natalee's age.  I don't know many 18 year olds who describe other 18 year old males as "men".  The male that Natalee was with at the Holiday Inn was obviously older than Elizabeth.  Where are the Holiday Inn security tapes?????  Where is Elizabeth's description of this person?????
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« Reply #1552 on: August 28, 2008, 11:03:58 PM »

I am wondering why Elizabeth Cain described the local person as a "man" and not a guy who would maybe be close to Natalee's age.  I don't know many 18 year olds who describe other 18 year old males as "men".  The male that Natalee was with at the Holiday Inn was obviously older than Elizabeth.  Where are the Holiday Inn security tapes?????  Where is Elizabeth's description of this person?????

There isn't one...there is a reason for that....they know who it is already and they won't say...the FBI...I mean.  Lorenzo is an older looking man...and so is Freddy.  Elizabeth would be thinking in comparison to Joran who was around her age.  We will never know for sure.
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« Reply #1553 on: August 28, 2008, 11:13:19 PM »

Elizabeth Cain, if you are out there please contact us.  We need your help.
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« Reply #1554 on: August 29, 2008, 06:16:05 AM »

Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401

The following documents are being withheld pursuant to Article 45 of the Code of Criminal Procedure Law of Aruba. Under Article 45, Plaintiffs' Aruban counsel may not produce the contents of this file. Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina, L LC does not have these documents.

This log describes all the documents contained within Aruban counsel's file. Aruban counsel does not have the entire criminal file. They do not have in their possession, custody, or control many of the documents pertaining to the arrest of the other suspects in this case, They also do not have all the documents pertaining to Deepak Kalpoe, as Deepak was originally represented by different counsel.


Name/Title/Description: Interview with Elizabeth Cain
Date: 03102/2006
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-853
Location: Tuscaloosa Offices
Writer/Initiator: Not Stated

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


SS...School, maybe?
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« Reply #1555 on: August 29, 2008, 06:45:27 AM »

Mum:

That post was #205, sorry.........




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205. Tom (Uncertified Bastard)
I've known the band Dicemen for a while (musically) and they do have a "dangerous" name around here. Wrecking hotels and backstages, stealing, fighting, drugs and alcohol abuse, etc.
Though I seriously doubt they got anything to do with this. As far as I know they never were in Aruba. But if you search a little, you could definately find a couple of newsarticles about this bands doings.
I remember also a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht after a show they played. According to a news article the Dicemen took her with them. I don't know how this story ends, there never was a follow up as far as I know...
Still, they DO rock! Smile
Friday, December 9th, 2005 @ 11:40am


COLOMBO…I recall reading waaayyyyyy back in the old LCDs discussions about the Dicemen.  Also recall I googled and googled and could not place them in Aruba. Did this again not too long back.

With that in mind…And your clue about the gardeners…Could the “Dicemen” have been just meant another band, maybe the one from the Holiday Inn? Or can you place the Dicemen in Aruba at that time…TIA

Hmmmmmmm…Would expect Simian to have heard of the actual band Dicemen…Shango????

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED
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« Reply #1556 on: August 29, 2008, 07:56:04 AM »

doesn't mean involved directly in this (NH) case

enter the same maze......same players......different occasion....same or different location

why do the leave the maze open (20 times before)

establishes premeditation......remember, they have a suspect




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« Reply #1557 on: August 29, 2008, 07:56:55 AM »

maybe the Dordrecht incident needs to be explored further
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« Reply #1558 on: August 29, 2008, 07:58:28 AM »

same maze?
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« Reply #1559 on: August 29, 2008, 08:10:37 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!



"the important others were the ones who supported the alibi"

"who's framing who?" (if he's done it in the past, he must have done it this time???)

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.
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