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« Reply #1560 on: August 29, 2008, 08:15:16 AM »

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That post was #205, sorry.........




#205

205. Tom (Uncertified Bastard)
I've known the band Dicemen for a while (musically) and they do have a "dangerous" name around here. Wrecking hotels and backstages, stealing, fighting, drugs and alcohol abuse, etc.
Though I seriously doubt they got anything to do with this. As far as I know they never were in Aruba. But if you search a little, you could definately find a couple of newsarticles about this bands doings.
I remember also a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht after a show they played. According to a news article the Dicemen took her with them. I don't know how this story ends, there never was a follow up as far as I know...
Still, they DO rock! Smile
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COLOMBO…I recall reading waaayyyyyy back in the old LCDs discussions about the Dicemen.  Also recall I googled and googled and could not place them in Aruba. Did this again not too long back.

With that in mind…And your clue about the gardeners…Could the “Dicemen” have been just meant another band, maybe the one from the Holiday Inn? Or can you place the Dicemen in Aruba at that time…TIA

Hmmmmmmm…Would expect Simian to have heard of the actual band Dicemen…Shango????

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED



ROLLED=high rolled? did the Dicemen owe somebody $? babylonians perhaps?
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« Reply #1561 on: August 29, 2008, 08:38:53 AM »

 

I need lots of coffee...

The Dicemen owed money to a casino...

But are we really looking at the band called Dicemen or just a band? If it is different players why investigate the previous incident further...

Before that you say: same players...same maze, but doesn't mean directly involved in NH case...

See I can't even put my thoughts in order

Did I ever post the post from Finn's thread that Freddy played in a band at the HI?
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« Reply #1562 on: August 29, 2008, 08:44:36 AM »

Mum:

That post was #205, sorry.........


#205

205. Tom (Uncertified Bastard)
I've known the band Dicemen for a while (musically) and they do have a "dangerous" name around here. Wrecking hotels and backstages, stealing, fighting, drugs and alcohol abuse, etc.
Though I seriously doubt they got anything to do with this. As far as I know they never were in Aruba. But if you search a little, you could definately find a couple of newsarticles about this bands doings.
I remember also a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht after a show they played. According to a news article the Dicemen took her with them. I don't know how this story ends, there never was a follow up as far as I know...
Still, they DO rock! Smile
Friday, December 9th, 2005 @ 11:40am


COLOMBO…I recall reading waaayyyyyy back in the old LCDs discussions about the Dicemen.  Also recall I googled and googled and could not place them in Aruba. Did this again not too long back.

With that in mind…And your clue about the gardeners…Could the “Dicemen” have been just meant another band, maybe the one from the Holiday Inn? Or can you place the Dicemen in Aruba at that time…TIA

Hmmmmmmm…Would expect Simian to have heard of the actual band Dicemen…Shango????

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED



ROLLED=high rolled? did the Dicemen owe somebody $? babylonians perhaps?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm [/b]
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED



The "MUSIC" could be Soul Beach Music Festival.

There were so many boats in the water for the SBMF based on pic I saw of the event in Aruba in 2005. I also recall early posts stating how mad the organizers were because they could not charge those in the water in boats for attending SBMF.  Also with all these boats in the water, how could ALE say they moniter each and every boat?

The organizer of SBMF was "SINBAD" and SINBAD's real name is David Adkins (only "David" got out alive perhaps?).

The name of David Adkins (SINBAD) production studio is (drum roll) DAVID AND GOLIATH.

Remember, there was an Aru-Bay video entitled DAVID AND GOLIATH that showed a large cruise ship heading one way, and a very small boat going the opposite direction, and mid-movie the boats meet, as if a handoff is being made. That movie always reminded me of Amy Bradley's demise...
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« Reply #1563 on: August 29, 2008, 08:57:22 AM »



I need lots of coffee...

The Dicemen owed money to a casino...

But are we really looking at the band called Dicemen or just a band? If it is different players why investigate the previous incident further...

Before that you say: same players...same maze, but doesn't mean directly involved in NH case...

See I can't even put my thoughts in order

Did I ever post the post from Finn's thread that Freddy played in a band at the HI?

the maze has forbidden fruit and gardeners
other "rollers" talk  (rock 'n' rollers)

rock 'n' rollers = gardeners too
ref: Amy Bradley situation
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« Reply #1564 on: August 29, 2008, 09:00:50 AM »

"....twenty times before and nothing like this has ever happened...."

or has it.........?
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« Reply #1565 on: August 29, 2008, 09:02:43 AM »

Mum:

That post was #205, sorry.........


#205

205. Tom (Uncertified Bastard)
I've known the band Dicemen for a while (musically) and they do have a "dangerous" name around here. Wrecking hotels and backstages, stealing, fighting, drugs and alcohol abuse, etc.
Though I seriously doubt they got anything to do with this. As far as I know they never were in Aruba. But if you search a little, you could definately find a couple of newsarticles about this bands doings.
I remember also a missing girl in a town called Dordrecht after a show they played. According to a news article the Dicemen took her with them. I don't know how this story ends, there never was a follow up as far as I know...
Still, they DO rock! Smile
Friday, December 9th, 2005 @ 11:40am


COLOMBO…I recall reading waaayyyyyy back in the old LCDs discussions about the Dicemen.  Also recall I googled and googled and could not place them in Aruba. Did this again not too long back.

With that in mind…And your clue about the gardeners…Could the “Dicemen” have been just meant another band, maybe the one from the Holiday Inn? Or can you place the Dicemen in Aruba at that time…TIA

Hmmmmmmm…Would expect Simian to have heard of the actual band Dicemen…Shango????

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED



ROLLED=high rolled? did the Dicemen owe somebody $? babylonians perhaps?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm [/b]
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED



The "MUSIC" could be Soul Beach Music Festival.

There were so many boats in the water for the SBMF based on pic I saw of the event in Aruba in 2005. I also recall early posts stating how mad the organizers were because they could not charge those in the water in boats for attending SBMF.  Also with all these boats in the water, how could ALE say they moniter each and every boat?

The organizer of SBMF was "SINBAD" and SINBAD's real name is David Adkins (only "David" got out alive perhaps?).

The name of David Adkins (SINBAD) production studio is (drum roll) DAVID AND GOLIATH.

Remember, there was an Aru-Bay video entitled DAVID AND GOLIATH that showed a large cruise ship heading one way, and a very small boat going the opposite direction, and mid-movie the boats meet, as if a handoff is being made. That movie always reminded me of Amy Bradley's demise...


Interesting Poochy...vaguely remember Sinbad productions and may have even googled it...do we have any more info on him?

Don't remember the Aru-bay vid, but have not watched them in forever...that thought sent shivers down my spine?

I have often wondered how many other's have "disappeared"...maybe didn't have close family contact and their families have no idea they even went out of the States. It's possible!

We have lost contact with my half-sister...not been seen for 5 years...she could be anywhere!
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« Reply #1566 on: August 29, 2008, 09:06:38 AM »

and it seems if the crew isn't in the victims cabin (throwing him overboard), the victims are (passed out) near the officer's quarters
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« Reply #1567 on: August 29, 2008, 09:19:22 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!


Mum, there is yet another Lorenzo:

Jacobus Lorenzo "David" Wever/Weaver, the Ca$ino Manager (with Posner as Ca$ino owner)

See Obsevers post at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.460
Lots of good info there. It should be brought over here.

And if IRC, this Lorenzo "Larry" David Weaver was working at the Holiday Inn sunspree resort in Jamaica when Claudia went missing  - I can't find the link now, but I believe he was the food and beverage manager there. I'll keep looking for the link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/02/earlyshow/main713376.shtml
   "...(CBS) Natalee Holloway's story bears a striking
   similarity to the disappearance of another woman,
   29-year-old travel magazine editor Claudia Kirschhoch,
   who vanished in May 2000 in Negril, Jamaica.
   Claudia has never been found.


 
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« Reply #1568 on: August 29, 2008, 09:38:13 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.




We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!


Mum, there is yet another Lorenzo:

Jacobus Lorenzo "David" Wever/Weaver, the Ca$ino Manager (with Posner as Ca$ino owner)

See Obsevers post at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.460
Lots of good info there. It should be brought over here.

And if IRC, this Lorenzo "Larry" David Weaver was working at the Holiday Inn sunspree resort in Jamaica when Claudia went missing  - I can't find the link now, but I believe he was the food and beverage manager there. I'll keep looking for the link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/02/earlyshow/main713376.shtml
   "...(CBS) Natalee Holloway's story bears a striking
   similarity to the disappearance of another woman,
   29-year-old travel magazine editor Claudia Kirschhoch,
   who vanished in May 2000 in Negril, Jamaica.
   Claudia has never been found.


 


Thanks Poochy...I was looking for that obit...we were discussing him a few weeks back...we have talked about him before nd I have some notes on him.

All the name confusion right there...Guido/Lorenzo/David Wever...IIRC Guido's brother is David Wever...so who is the 24 year old casino worker?

My money is NOT on Guido or Jacobus!

Posting for future reference...

Is this who you were talking about? Is this supposed to be the casino Manager at the Excelsior when Natalee dissapeared?
Jacobus Lorenzo Wever
08 Jan 1936 - 25 Mar 2006
http://www.mementomori.net/06069.html
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« Reply #1569 on: August 29, 2008, 11:07:22 AM »

Suppose I should explain where I was going with Lorenzo’s birth date, sorry didn’t mean to be cryptic…LOL

We have a 24 year old Lorenzo – in 2005.

In 2005 we had a 24 year old casino worker Lorenzo Wever, later to be changed to a 19 year old Guido Wever.

We have been told by Aruban poster’s that Lorenzo was questioned earlier in the week of June 10th. Only Guido shows up early on the log for that week before J2K were arrested.

We have been told that Lorenzo has a basement, that Lorenzo has Raves. Jacobs told Dave he had nothing to do with Natalee’s case. We have been told lots of things by these posters that fit Simian’s 5th. Suspect.

The flurry of activity around the Zedan/Arambatzis/Rodriguez names a while back, coincidently when we were posting about them, and all the posed pics of Freddy, not to mention the friends all being changed on tickle sites and new sites being made up before both the June 9th arrests and the August arrests, as well as the confusion as to where Freddy lived, his Dad dying in Venezuela and his mom’s activity on the Chamber records tells me Freddy is a non player in all this. Not forgetting either he was secretly released from jail, not 1 pic and not even a statement to show for his days in jail.

Even Jossy didn’t tell us about “Freddy”!


Mum, there is yet another Lorenzo:

Jacobus Lorenzo "David" Wever/Weaver, the Ca$ino Manager (with Posner as Ca$ino owner)

See Obsevers post at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.460
Lots of good info there. It should be brought over here.

And if IRC, this Lorenzo "Larry" David Weaver was working at the Holiday Inn sunspree resort in Jamaica when Claudia went missing  - I can't find the link now, but I believe he was the food and beverage manager there. I'll keep looking for the link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/02/earlyshow/main713376.shtml
   "...(CBS) Natalee Holloway's story bears a striking
   similarity to the disappearance of another woman,
   29-year-old travel magazine editor Claudia Kirschhoch,
   who vanished in May 2000 in Negril, Jamaica.
   Claudia has never been found.


 



Mum:

what I meant........same maze
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« Reply #1570 on: August 29, 2008, 11:08:43 AM »

was same maze in Dordrecht? same perps? speaks to premeditation, motive.......
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« Reply #1571 on: August 29, 2008, 04:29:05 PM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

We were told a few months ago that "Mary who was not a virgin" was actually Julia Renfro.

We were also told and several monkeys who were into photography agreed, that the picture from C&Cs had been photoshoped because of the perfect and unnatural alignment of the people in the picture.

I don't know what to think at this point except that Elizabeth Cain knows an important piece of information.  I agree with Lalas that the FBI has the answers.  Are any MB students here at SM who might be willing to encourage her to communicate with us?
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« Reply #1572 on: August 29, 2008, 05:09:28 PM »

was same maze in Dordrecht? same perps? speaks to premeditation, motive.......

Amy Bradley's parents mentioned a band on the cruise ship also and the bar C&C.

Wonder what band was playing in Jamaica in 2000. Was there a music festival there?

Why the constant mention by codetalkers of the 'orchestra' as well as a 'band'.   

An orchestra has strings (violins, etc) while a band does not. 
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« Reply #1573 on: August 29, 2008, 09:03:50 PM »



I need lots of coffee...

The Dicemen owed money to a casino...

But are we really looking at the band called Dicemen or just a band? If it is different players why investigate the previous incident further...

Before that you say: same players...same maze, but doesn't mean directly involved in NH case...

See I can't even put my thoughts in order

Did I ever post the post from Finn's thread that Freddy played in a band at the HI?

Mum, I think the DiceMen may have been on Aruba at that time. They are celebs, so is David Adkins (Sinbad) who ran the soul beach music fest. Anybody know if they wrapped up the festival with a private party? They like to party down there...this party would include the 'other things' such as the deflowering, and need I type up the rest.... Codetalker is saying the Dicemen were there, at the party, and they should be questioned. The partygoers that were at that private party also need to be pinched. But how did Joran know about this party? My guess is someone at the H.I. informed him of it. No doubt the Texas Hold'em poker champs were invited.
 
Now back to your post above - Wowzer, just learned something new today! Didn't know Freddy was a musician.... that is very interesting. Isn't his brother involved also w/music in FL?

Maybe SCroes is not the musicman after all, maybe it is Freddy?

"...A dance card (also known by its German-language name, Ballspende, plural Ballspenden) is used by a woman to record with whom she will dance each successive dance at a formal ball. 


5/16/06 the grey whisper said...
All may not be as quiet as it seems. The house band plays a merry tango, but who has space on their dance card?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
Arawaks do not like Babylonian musicians.  Everyone in camp hears poison music.  Many teepees fall.  New wars with Babylon.  No Wampum, many moons.  Light the Fires

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:29 pm 
Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles. Follow the music!  Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets. The lamb is scared. The fires are lit. But now the lamb is a goat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Follow the music.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.  They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze. Mary who was not a virgin entered. The DiceMen ROLLED. Mary ROLLED.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
Mary ROLLED through the Maze. There is more than one house of music. the Lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Follow the music into the maze. the lions know they are being stalked. the gamblers and other Rollers talk. tell the cowboys.

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe. Follow the music, the lions are not tame. DirtyHand knows, so does the elder.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:04 am
The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir. the music which holds the answers lies within the maze. the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings. backs turned to the maze. never hearing a single note from the poison song.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music. Only David left the den alive.


Also, yellowbird - could "yellow" be the 'yellow party' and 'bird' be the last name "Croes"? Yellowbird has flown. Maybe that isn't Natalee either...maybe it is Dirtyhand who left anonymous but broken...
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« Reply #1574 on: August 30, 2008, 12:08:36 AM »

"....twenty times before and nothing like this has ever happened...."

or has it.........?



We have been told that Lorenzo and Paulass were involved in two filming parties around that same time period and both events were held at the Matty Apts.  Supposedly, Natalee was not the only young woman who died at the video parties.  Urine and the Pimps bragged about hustling twenty girls prior to Natalee.  But in the same breath, he and the Alpoes say that they only took her to the beach!!!   
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« Reply #1575 on: August 30, 2008, 12:16:08 AM »

The term Yellowbird is for someone from Alabama.  It goes back to the Civil War era when soldiers referred to themselves as Yellowbirds.  It could signify Natalee or any of the other MB students.
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« Reply #1576 on: August 30, 2008, 07:36:38 AM »

The term Yellowbird is for someone from Alabama.  It goes back to the Civil War era when soldiers referred to themselves as Yellowbirds.  It could signify Natalee or any of the other MB students.

While that had always made sense (that codetalker "yellowbird" = Yellow bird/Alabama), unless we get the exact meaning directly from the codetalkers mouth, we can only guess at this time what any of the posts meant. 

There is a Yellow party, a Yellowbird party boat, Yellow Bird Tour group, Yellow Bird Show Club (dancers in yellow), "bird on a wire",  bird =croes or Frances Ellen Byrd...I was merely tossing out yet another explaination in case in the end it may fit, that's all 
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« Reply #1577 on: August 30, 2008, 07:58:35 AM »

The term Yellowbird is for someone from Alabama.  It goes back to the Civil War era when soldiers referred to themselves as Yellowbirds.  It could signify Natalee or any of the other MB students.

While that had always made sense (that codetalker "yellowbird" = Yellow bird/Alabama), unless we get the exact meaning directly from the codetalkers mouth, we can only guess at this time what any of the posts meant. 

There is a Yellow party, a Yellowbird party boat, Yellow Bird Tour group, Yellow Bird Show Club (dancers in yellow), "bird on a wire",  bird =croes or Frances Ellen Byrd...I was merely tossing out yet another explaination in case in the end it may fit, that's all 


Interesting thoughts once again Poochy! Thanks!

The Croes idea is intriguing to say the least. seem to recall Caps calling the MEP the "Yellow Party", back in Shango1.

Frances Ellen Byrd...also we know Haleigh Uncalpher stayed behind, not sure how long she stayed for...

Help me out, please? Is there reference to a "Yellowbird" and a "Yellowhammer"? Would like the dates of those posts, if possible...sorry not much time and thought you might know exactly where to find them.
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« Reply #1578 on: August 30, 2008, 08:10:58 AM »

My Mistake…Sorry...Glad I checked…It was C&Cs…..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0

Post 7….Between a third and half way down the page.

6:35 pm
klaasend: By the way, I have a pretty good source that tells me this Freddy is in a band that plays at CnC.
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« Reply #1579 on: August 30, 2008, 08:37:24 AM »

"....twenty times before and nothing like this has ever happened...."

or has it.........?



We have been told that Lorenzo and Paulass were involved in two filming parties around that same time period and both events were held at the Matty Apts.  Supposedly, Natalee was not the only young woman who died at the video parties.  Urine and the Pimps bragged about hustling twenty girls prior to Natalee.  But in the same breath, he and the Alpoes say that they only took her to the beach!!!   

Shango is all about finding DirtyHand.....presumably the link between the gardeners and the lions

so, when "The Dicemen must be questioned".....is it about finding DirtyHand....where? By chance does Dordrecht have a ca$ino, too? Did they "garden?" Did they too "hit the jackpot?"

related case?
http://news.caribseek.com/set-up/exec/view.cgi?archive=150&num=61632

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