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« Reply #160 on: June 14, 2008, 09:18:37 AM »

Silverfox is correct.  Freddy was questioned too many times not to have information ALE wanted.  It may have been a fishing expedition on their part, but they were gnawing at something they thought had meat.

The first statement we can substantiate is on June 12.  Then again on June 13. So was he in custody from June 11?  Seems they began his interview at 11 that morning...I guess Jacobs had finished his corn flakes by then and decided to question Freddy.  They speak to Satish the day before and first thing they do the next day is talk to Freddy....Freddy needs to tell the truth. Then they release the security guards.  Then question Freddy again..does that make anyone else go hmmmm? 

The more you look at that timeline of questioning the more interesting it becomes. Let's not forget that Meneses fellow  they spoke to over and over again...something there in that smoking gun...I wish I could determine what that was.
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« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2008, 05:14:50 AM »

Lala's

Natalee was taken to an "event"

It all makes sense...

All those names who were floated out there and interrogated were interrogated because they were in attendance at the "event" ... No other explanation really fits...  The reason J2K become the primaries is because they were the last ones seen with her by the general public -- but the insiders?  Well, That entire ordeal....

Remember, "too many people would be hurt if the truth comes out?" Remember that?  That is because too many people were in attendance and actually know what happened.... from the very beginning -- which is why this cover-up is so widespread... too many fingers in the pie, relatives, connections -- from the Oduber boy to the Dompig boy etc., etc....

The reason all of us are spinning around from name to name is because all of us were correct in one form or another -- all these guys were involved and the 'adults" -- the parents had to be the ones to cover it up -- or they all fall, child/parent, child/parent.... etc...etc....

This is MUCH BIGGER than we ever imagined....
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« Reply #162 on: June 16, 2008, 06:41:38 AM »

Lala's

Natalee was taken to an "event"

It all makes sense...

All those names who were floated out there and interrogated were interrogated because they were in attendance at the "event" ... No other explanation really fits...  The reason J2K become the primaries is because they were the last ones seen with her by the general public -- but the insiders?  Well, That entire ordeal....

Remember, "too many people would be hurt if the truth comes out?" Remember that?  That is because too many people were in attendance and actually know what happened.... from the very beginning -- which is why this cover-up is so widespread... too many fingers in the pie, relatives, connections -- from the Oduber boy to the Dompig boy etc., etc....

The reason all of us are spinning around from name to name is because all of us were correct in one form or another -- all these guys were involved and the 'adults" -- the parents had to be the ones to cover it up -- or they all fall, child/parent, child/parent.... etc...etc....

This is MUCH BIGGER than we ever imagined....


I agree Silverfox…and they had 10 days to put it all in place….and this is why I think Joran is untouchable...mispelt names, mixed up names, initials, addresses, addresses that don’t exist, buildings that weren’t built, maybe even fake pictures and tickle sites….from Aruba to Florida…what a tangled web!!!

I was going to post this when I saw your post….Take some Tylenol Lala’s….remembering a post that Caps made a while back about Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis Arends….

Freddy Frederick Arends or Martina, guy in Kia on some sort of porn/video charges

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Zedan ? -still working on it?

ArambatzisErnesto

Arends Max or Frederick


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« Reply #163 on: June 16, 2008, 06:48:27 PM »

Lala’s….Could this have been how Rudy kept his position even though he didn’t have enough votes?  The Governor had input in the formation of the cabinet?  Is Rudy powerful enough to keep the position or did some-one more powerful make sure he ‘kept’ the position of Minister of Justice?

And if it was the Governor, would he be His Lordship or the Arawak King?

From Wiki…

The Governor of Aruba is the representative on Aruba of the Dutch head of state (Queen Beatrix). The governors duties are twofold: he represents and guards the general interests of the Kingdom and is head of the Aruban Government. He is accountable to the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. As the head of the Government, the Governor is immune….

This under powers at the Governor’s site

The Governor also represents the Queen in Aruba and, consequently, is the head of the Government of Aruba. The Governor is immune and exercises his powers under the responsibility of the ministers, who, in turn, have to report on their actions to Parliament.

And one of my favorites…the Orange Regal Visage…

"Companian" in the Order of Orange Nassau and five "Member" in the Order of Orange Nassau. Mostly, the decorated persons were decorated because of their social or charitable merits in the fields of sports, culture, religion, welfare and education.
 
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=de_gouverneur





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« Reply #164 on: June 16, 2008, 07:31:21 PM »

Lala's

Natalee was taken to an "event"

It all makes sense...

All those names who were floated out there and interrogated were interrogated because they were in attendance at the "event" ... No other explanation really fits...  The reason J2K become the primaries is because they were the last ones seen with her by the general public -- but the insiders?  Well, That entire ordeal....

Remember, "too many people would be hurt if the truth comes out?" Remember that?  That is because too many people were in attendance and actually know what happened.... from the very beginning -- which is why this cover-up is so widespread... too many fingers in the pie, relatives, connections -- from the Oduber boy to the Dompig boy etc., etc....

The reason all of us are spinning around from name to name is because all of us were correct in one form or another -- all these guys were involved and the 'adults" -- the parents had to be the ones to cover it up -- or they all fall, child/parent, child/parent.... etc...etc....

This is MUCH BIGGER than we ever imagined....
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You are so correct, Silverfox.  It was a cast of thousands that could have been the extras for the film Road Warrior.  The good news about a lot of people being involved is that eventually someone is going to slip up and talk... if they haven't already done so.  Someone will get angry at one of the others and start singing.  I just wish we could find the right button to push that will speed up the process.  I am hoping that pressure will be put on the Kalpoes.  They are really pretty stupid, Urine has stepped on their toes, their law suit is rapidly going down the hopper, and they could be the ones who will break first.  Let's hope.
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« Reply #165 on: June 16, 2008, 08:35:19 PM »

Bird on the Wire - By Leonard Cohen

Quote
Like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free.
Like a worm on a hook,
like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee.
If I, if I have been unkind,
I hope that you can just let it go by.
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you.
Like a baby, stillborn,
like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me.
But I swear by this song
and by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee.
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch,
he said to me, "You must not ask for so much."
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door,
she cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"

Oh like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free.
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« Reply #166 on: June 17, 2008, 09:39:16 AM »

Oh...Lala's...Thanks vms...

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:36 pm
TexasBelle you American Imperialist mind is wrapped around it’s own greatness. Now if the Houston Chronicle were as big as Le Monde than I would be impressed.

If you in North America think it’s silly that she might have travelled back to the US. It also seems silly to us in Aruba that she was sold into slavery.

 
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« Reply #167 on: June 17, 2008, 09:56:43 AM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA
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« Reply #168 on: June 17, 2008, 01:14:14 PM »

It is the largest paper in Houston, owned by Hearst.  Probably available at Dallas Airport
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« Reply #169 on: June 17, 2008, 01:25:33 PM »

Sorry, I should I said, it is the largest paper in Texas..
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« Reply #170 on: June 17, 2008, 03:28:23 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...
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« Reply #171 on: June 17, 2008, 04:08:12 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...

In the context of the original post, seems I remember that TexasBelle was relaying information she had read in the Houstin Chronicle.
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« Reply #172 on: June 17, 2008, 04:14:31 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...


Thanks Lala's and always1 for your responses....Does Houston have a big Customs presence at their airport...Stupid question?  Course it does, probably a big International Airport!

SS...today is one of those days that I am convinced this case is way bigger than J2K and their little pimp friends. Way too big for there to ever be Justice for Natalee, and way too big for the truth ever to come out! May be way bigger than even Silverfox imagines!

Why does Joran think he is untouchable?  Why would Val even consider coming to the US to go to school?  Why would his parents even allow it?  Why would INS even give him a student visa? They certainly can deny one to whomever they please, for absolutely no reason...maybe they will! But I bet the Sloots will still vaction in the US... and I bet I have a harder time going through INS than they ever do?? Something Stinks!!!

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« Reply #173 on: June 17, 2008, 04:14:47 PM »


And if it was the Governor, would he be His Lordship or the Arawak King?







I'm not Lalasmom but I have posted many times that I believe His Lordship is Fredis J. Refunjol and the Arawak King is Rudy Croes.  I could be wrong, but that is the way I look at the Shango posts when I go back nad read them.
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« Reply #174 on: June 17, 2008, 08:15:37 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...

In the context of the original post, seems I remember that TexasBelle was relaying information she had read in the Houstin Chronicle.

I think you are correct.  Le Monde is a French daily that has a huge subscription list.  I think it was a comparison to numbers.
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« Reply #175 on: June 17, 2008, 09:11:25 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...

In the context of the original post, seems I remember that TexasBelle was relaying information she had read in the Houstin Chronicle.

I think you are correct.  Le Monde is a French daily that has a huge subscription list.  I think it was a comparison to numbers.


Thanks Truthseeker and Lala's...point taken...in context...I am reading it now...LOL
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« Reply #176 on: June 18, 2008, 09:31:11 AM »

hmmmm....

a Mansur/PVDS connection through Leito?  ******* saying PVDS and Mansur may be part of the same cartel?

Does this start to sound like deja vu?

Or is this too long of a reach..???
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« Reply #177 on: June 18, 2008, 10:52:11 AM »

hmmmm....

a Mansur/PVDS connection through Leito?  ******* saying PVDS and Mansur may be part of the same cartel?

Does this start to sound like deja vu?

Or is this too long of a reach..???

Good Afternoon to you Silverfox...not too long of a reach....can you tie in a Florida connection....or is that too long of a reach? LOL

Though I did read a post that said that PVDS was instumental in some Mansurs being extradicted. I thought that explained Jossy's disdain for both Joran and Paulus! Have not seen anything else other than that one post, and only did a quick search on it, and don't recall who the poster was. Will see if I can find it, and info on the relatives that were extradicted.
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« Reply #178 on: June 18, 2008, 12:16:57 PM »

hmmmm....

a Mansur/PVDS connection through Leito?  ******* saying PVDS and Mansur may be part of the same cartel?

Does this start to sound like deja vu?

Or is this too long of a reach..???

I'm pretty sure they are both in a cartel, I'm just not sure it's the same cartel. I believe PVDS is linked to the Norte Valle Cartel (this cartel has been pretty well busted up over the last year or so) and Mansur is his own cartel.
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« Reply #179 on: June 18, 2008, 06:15:58 PM »

hmmmm....

a Mansur/PVDS connection through Leito?  ******* saying PVDS and Mansur may be part of the same cartel?

Does this start to sound like deja vu?

Or is this too long of a reach..???

You are only reaching across the room in here...several monkeys have information that implicates various people in this cartel.  It certainly makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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