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« Reply #1600 on: August 31, 2008, 10:48:08 PM »

...but before I go...see the 2 sentences in red below:

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished. The birdie has come down from the cable. We have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk.

We have to wait a while (the timing is not right)

until it becomes known to all (if yellowbird is found all will be known)

why he leaves all his dogs dead THERE  (THERE is somewhere between Montana to Moko)


(also, as an fyi - and this could be something or nothing, but Joran and Lorenzo both had on PUMA t-shirts. Is PUMA a type of lion? I wondered if that was a signal to dirtyhand that they were not going to talk....again, probably nothing, but just found it odd that Joran goes from wearing those 'regular guy look' plaid cotton shirts to a PUMA T).


now I really got to get off this pooter and get ready for my party!






Poochy - something is very confusing about these dead dogs.  There was a story the Urine killed one of his dogs and there the dog in the pond.  I don't know if we ever validated this story as factual.  There is also another story about Lorenzo killing dogs, but I don't know if that has ever been validated either.  Lorenzo's story relates to more than one dog.  Urine story is about one of his dogs.  Which person is allyinmiami talking about - Lorenzo or Urine?  She seeems to be referring to more than one dead dog.   
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« Reply #1601 on: August 31, 2008, 11:10:48 PM »

This is from a post by Kermit on 8/10/2008.  Kermit, do you have any additional information about this?  Does anyone have any additional information?



new girl Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 12:35 am
Subdude, back to Shango’s clues:

DirtyHand the polis chief has been to the maze and walks through all houses. INCLUDING this one. But he does not go there to seek pleasures.

So why does he go? To collect his $$ for allowing these raves to go on and on while everyone else’s are busted? Or is it more sinister? Does it involve drug trade or something sexually inappropriate?

Shango also suggested that the children of “Babylonian” government officials / important people hang out at these rave parties. Why don’t they come forward?

Maybe they are scared that if Lorenzo is crazy and murders dogs and gang-rapes and kills innocent tourists, he might hurt them too. Especially if the police are somehow complicit in this.

And what of their parents, the ruling Dutch officials? Are they also complicit in some way? Is this a house of cards the kids don’t want to bring down?


I don't really remember "new girl" as a poster
but I think I can tell you that there are people in the LE that are involved in the cover-up. So she is accurate in
her assessment of the case.

*remember Lorenzo was arrested and let go without a trial or anything
* remember the Polis Captain led tourists to after hour parties
* remember Polis were on these boards watching, people with Aruba gov't were posting false and mis-leading information right away.
* remember Joran confessed - Hans Mos did nothng
* remember Karin Jansseen waited 10 days to allow her fellow friend and former working buddy to sanitize everything
* remember Judge Bob Witt limited the search
* remember Ben King helped his friend and working buddy Paulus van der Sloot
* remember Judge Smid said, "they were guilty of body disposal"; yet he let them go free

The cover-up is massive.

Smid, Paulus, Antonio Carlos, Oduber all buddies








We know that they are covering for someone and everyone, and we've figured out a lot of the "whys" which most likely include drugs and pornography, two very lucrative activites.  No doubt, some of our information is not accurate.  They've obviously been throwing nonsense at us since the beginning and we certainly have done a lot of tail chasing.  But, who actually killed Natalee?  Who is the 5th?  Kermit, if you can figure it out I'll give you a great big jar of those huge green horse flies.   
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« Reply #1602 on: August 31, 2008, 11:31:53 PM »

Hmmmm.  More yellowhammer discussion. Interesting.


I know Lalas, it just keeps going round and round.     I read the lyrics to the yellow bird song again.  It seems to be about a male bird in a banana tree who tried to make a nest for a female yellow bird, but she dumped him.  He's sitting there by himself feeling very jilted.  Did Natalee dump Lorenzo or the mystery man from earlier in the week?  Merian said that if yellow bird is found, all will be known.  Merian almost has to be referring to the yellow bird as the same person who is the cool and crazy guy from earlier in the week.  And, I still can't get my head around that being Paulass.  There's got to be a cool and crazy guy on the HI security videos with Natalee.  Where is Elizabeth Cain?

Yellowhammer has to refer to Natalee or someone else from Alabama.
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« Reply #1603 on: August 31, 2008, 11:38:12 PM »

Kermit - do you know if Lorenzo or anyone else is involved with pitbulls (Staffordshire Terriers) or dog fighting?  Does anyone know what breed of dog Lorenzo uses to guard his perimeter with the Colombians?
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« Reply #1604 on: September 01, 2008, 12:04:29 AM »

the maze offers many forbidden desires
the girl knew his
find DirtyHand
he too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire

http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/06/08/report-massive-k-9-grave-found-on-michael-vicks-property/







Colombo - you lost me.     Wasn't Michael Vick into fighting pitbulls?  Did Lorenzo also train pitbulls to fight?  I don't get the connection.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/archives/legacy/2002/82002/08152002_2.xml

the dogs, the drug......so much stuff on him
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« Reply #1605 on: September 01, 2008, 12:29:58 AM »

the maze offers many forbidden desires
the girl knew his
find DirtyHand
he too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire

http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/06/08/report-massive-k-9-grave-found-on-michael-vicks-property/







Colombo - you lost me.     Wasn't Michael Vick into fighting pitbulls?  Did Lorenzo also train pitbulls to fight?  I don't get the connection.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/archives/legacy/2002/82002/08152002_2.xml

the dogs, the drug......so much stuff on him




Colombo - do you think that the dead dogs reference is because they gave Natalee Special K, the animal anesthesia?  That still doesn't explain why he killed the dogs, unless allyinmiami was referring to additional murdered porn party victims as his dogs.


Lalas and Mum - just a little "Boulean headache" humor.....   

if cool and crazy guy = the 5th, and if yellow bird = the 5th, then cool and crazy guy = yellow bird.
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« Reply #1606 on: September 01, 2008, 02:36:58 AM »


you guys have been busy,
lots to catch up on

not sure if I was reading too fast
and I apologize if I missed something
and you already know this ...
but Ally's dog reference appeared
in her translation of a previous simian quote

so, sim was talking about dead dogs, not Ally

...but before I go...see the 2 sentences in red below:

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished. The birdie has come down from the cable. We have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk.

We have to wait a while (the timing is not right)

until it becomes known to all (if yellowbird is found all will be known)

why he leaves all his dogs dead THERE  (THERE is somewhere between Montana to Moko)

(also, as an fyi - and this could be something or nothing, but Joran and Lorenzo both had on PUMA t-shirts. Is PUMA a type of lion? I wondered if that was a signal to dirtyhand that they were not going to talk....again, probably nothing, but just found it odd that Joran goes from wearing those 'regular guy look' plaid cotton shirts to a PUMA T).

now I really got to get off this pooter and get ready for my party!

Poochy - something is very confusing about these dead dogs.  There was a story the Urine killed one of his dogs and there [was] the dog in the pond.  I don't know if we ever validated this story as factual.  There is also another story about Lorenzo killing dogs, but I don't know if that has ever been validated either.  Lorenzo's story relates to more than one dog.  Urine story is about one of his dogs.  Which person is allyinmiami talking about - Lorenzo or Urine?  She seeems to be referring to more than one dead dog.

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:11 pm
Los vaqueros tienen los pies profudamente en esa agua sucia. Estan seguro de sus maquinas. Babylonicos estan allí para recojer si es necesario. Desde Montaña a Moko no es mucho caminar. Este mono esta contectado con las ondas de micro. Los buitres ya llegaron para comer de la angustía. Ya se bajo el pajarito del cable. Hay que esperar un poco para que se deje saber porque bota a sus perros muertos alli.

my translation:
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to make the recovery if necessary. It is not a long walk from Montana to Moko. The monkey is connected to a microwave. The vultures have come to eat from the anguished. The birdie has come down from the wire. We have to wait a while until it becomes known why he [leaves] his dead dogs there.

bota in spanish means boot,
which doesn't fit the context well
unless bota is a slang reference:
gives his dead dogs the boot there

I usually suspect a typo when that happens
and then substitute adjoining keyboard letters
and attempt to translate again ...
but nothing I came up w/ made better sense

I'm not happy w/ "microwave" ...
context/meaning is often muddied w/ literal translation
:::shrugs:::
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puma/cougar/north american panther
are interchangable terms for mountain lion
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really liked the Ally = ally:
friend
aide
colleague
assistant
helper
supporter

I thought Ally mentioned being Cuban?
some reference to family tradition/culture?

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« Reply #1607 on: September 01, 2008, 07:47:53 AM »

the maze offers many forbidden desires
the girl knew his
find DirtyHand
he too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire

http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/06/08/report-massive-k-9-grave-found-on-michael-vicks-property/







Colombo - you lost me.     Wasn't Michael Vick into fighting pitbulls?  Did Lorenzo also train pitbulls to fight?  I don't get the connection.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/archives/legacy/2002/82002/08152002_2.xml

the dogs, the drug......so much stuff on him




Colombo - do you think that the dead dogs reference is because they gave Natalee Special K, the animal anesthesia?  That still doesn't explain why he killed the dogs, unless allyinmiami was referring to additional murdered porn party victims as his dogs.


Lalas and Mum - just a little "Boulean headache" humor.....   

if cool and crazy guy = the 5th, and if yellow bird = the 5th, then cool and crazy guy = yellow bird.

may open a window overlooking the goodship lollipop.......not just of babylon (Vick)

the gamblers took note ($)
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« Reply #1608 on: September 01, 2008, 07:48:24 AM »

find the right path

hint: it is a crooked one
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« Reply #1609 on: September 01, 2008, 10:12:51 AM »

where there's dogfighting you will find lots of Ketamine and dead dogs......and lots of igh rollers
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« Reply #1610 on: September 01, 2008, 02:18:03 PM »

where there's dogfighting you will find lots of Ketamine and dead dogs......and lots of igh rollers

Interesting...

When you add in the layer of pitbull dog fighting and reread codetalker verses again it comes together in a new light.

And don't forget -- the Choose-A-Name bouncer's nic was 'PITBULL'. That was a bar they were said to have stopped at for a few minutes. And we all know what happened to PITBULL. AND, this was the 2nd time Choose-A-Name burned down - they even moved locations when they built this last one that burned down. Hmmm... smells of the ashes of burned evidence to me...

Put the name PITBULL together with a cRave (rave in a cave) - and maybe, just maybe, his death (his name and location of death) was a warning message sent from resident drug lord/king pins to the island of Aruba to pack up this case cuz they're being closely watched and losing allot of 'merchandise' and 'revenue' due to the unsolved case.  I feel they did this when they destroyed certain graveyard tombs (Croes and Wever, right?)

04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose. SM has photos. There were convictions in this case. Amigoe Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

Here's one Aruba webforum - "Man arrested on Pitbull"  (can't translate it...)
http://www.pitbullaruba.com/Forum/index.php?topic=324.0


"...The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.  The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.  A new key must be found to open unknown doors."

Heres' an interesting discussion. One breath they discuss Joran, and in the next breath Michael Vic.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290133,00.html


5/16/06 the grey whisper said...
He thrusts his fists into the posts (GOAL POSTS?) but still insists he sees the ghosts. Was Michael Vic in Aruba? Or one of his other team mates? Heavy gamblers need ca$ino's when they vacation, or dog fights to bet on.

Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they? (Cricket is played in Europe - there's even a team called the "Lions Team". Maybe this is not about a Cricket player, but someone who wanted us to find the name Lions".

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
His ticket was changed. Needed to stay two more days on the island. Why don’t the others say that they saw him? He was with them!
The Babylonians know that the federales are on him. He needs to answer some questions. Can’t figure out which position he plays. America’s passtime.

Makes me wonder who else was at that 'party' - the football playin' Twitty twins who were rumored to have lawyered up?
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« Reply #1611 on: September 01, 2008, 02:36:48 PM »

Poochy...pretty sure the "America's favorite passtime" refers to baseball...fielder or a slogger...some of us looked into Aruba's favorite baseball player and he wasn't playing that weekend, but was on the Thursday and IIRC the next Tuesday...not sure the big leagues would just let him leave for the weekend, but I couldn't find anything if he did.
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« Reply #1612 on: September 01, 2008, 02:50:03 PM »

[Geraldo] RIVERA: But one of the dirty secrets [of the Slanderfoot clan] of Aruba was it [Babylon] made Vegas, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas, it made Vegas look tame. Aruba was a place where the older [circles of] people could go and have access to legal prostitutes [poiso house where young babylonians and arawak nation meet] and the younger kids could go and the reason the high school graduating classes all adored it, get whatever drugs they wanted [the girl knew this].
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« Reply #1613 on: September 01, 2008, 05:23:29 PM »

where there's dogfighting you will find lots of Ketamine and dead dogs......and lots of igh rollers

Interesting...

When you add in the layer of pitbull dog fighting and reread codetalker verses again it comes together in a new light.

And don't forget -- the Choose-A-Name bouncer's nic was 'PITBULL'. That was a bar they were said to have stopped at for a few minutes. And we all know what happened to PITBULL. AND, this was the 2nd time Choose-A-Name burned down - they even moved locations when they built this last one that burned down. Hmmm... smells of the ashes of burned evidence to me...

Put the name PITBULL together with a cRave (rave in a cave) - and maybe, just maybe, his death (his name and location of death) was a warning message sent from resident drug lord/king pins to the island of Aruba to pack up this case cuz they're being closely watched and losing allot of 'merchandise' and 'revenue' due to the unsolved case.  I feel they did this when they destroyed certain graveyard tombs (Croes and Wever, right?)

04/05/2006 - Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose. SM has photos. There were convictions in this case. Amigoe Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2. Update posted 8/19 by msmarple

Here's one Aruba webforum - "Man arrested on Pitbull"  (can't translate it...)
http://www.pitbullaruba.com/Forum/index.php?topic=324.0


"...The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.  The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.  A new key must be found to open unknown doors."

Heres' an interesting discussion. One breath they discuss Joran, and in the next breath Michael Vic.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290133,00.html


5/16/06 the grey whisper said...
He thrusts his fists into the posts (GOAL POSTS?) but still insists he sees the ghosts. Was Michael Vic in Aruba? Or one of his other team mates? Heavy gamblers need ca$ino's when they vacation, or dog fights to bet on.
Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they? (Cricket is played in Europe - there's even a team called the "Lions Team". Maybe this is not about a Cricket player, but someone who wanted us to find the name Lions".

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
His ticket was changed. Needed to stay two more days on the island. Why don’t the others say that they saw him? He was with them!
The Babylonians know that the federales are on him. He needs to answer some questions. Can’t figure out which position he plays. America’s passtime.

Makes me wonder who else was at that 'party' - the football playin' Twitty twins who were rumored to have lawyered up?
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« Reply #1614 on: September 01, 2008, 05:41:57 PM »

There is definitely a pitbull or dog fighting operation here.  This is another very lucrative and sick gambling venture.  There is big, big money in dog fights.  It's interesting that Grey Whisperer knew about Michael Vic's activities long before the US authorities busted him.

Years ago, I purchased a home on several acres in NJ.  While walking my dog in the woods, I stumbled upon my new neighbor's pitbull business.  A large metal enclosure was where he held the fights and trained the pitbulls.  Many Pitbulls were on heavy chains throughout the woods.  It was a nightmare.  Aruba doesn't have a lot of wooded areas to hide something like this.  I wonder if it's literally underground where they keep and train the dogs.  Does LVR have more than one basement?  Could this be the cave for the rave?

I wonder if Michael Vic or one of his football friends was one of the party-goers.  How about the Detroit Lions?  Here we go Lala's and Mum - back to Michigan!
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« Reply #1615 on: September 01, 2008, 05:51:54 PM »

There is definitely a pitbull or dog fighting operation here.  This is another very lucrative and sick gambling venture.  There is big, big money in dog fights.  It's interesting that Grey Whisperer knew about Michael Vic's activities long before the US authorities busted him.

Years ago, I purchased a home on several acres in NJ.  While walking my dog in the woods, I stumbled upon my new neighbor's pitbull business.  A large metal enclosure was where he held the fights and trained the pitbulls.  Many Pitbulls were on heavy chains throughout the woods.  It was a nightmare.  Aruba doesn't have a lot of wooded areas to hide something like this.  I wonder if it's literally underground where they keep and train the dogs.  Does LVR have more than one basement?  Could this be the cave for the rave?

I wonder if Michael Vic or one of his football friends was one of the party-goers.  How about the Detroit Lions?  Here we go Lala's and Mum - back to Michigan!


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« Reply #1616 on: September 01, 2008, 05:57:11 PM »

I guess we can figure out why LVR killed his dogs.   

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986955
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 What is the Public's Opinion of Vick?RICHMOND, Va. -- More than 50 pit bulls seized from Michael Vick's property face a Thursday deadline to be claimed. If no one comes forward, they could be euthanized.

Federal prosecutors filed court documents last month to condemn 53 pit bulls seized in April as part of the investigation into dogfighting on the Vick's property. No one has claimed any of the dogs, which are being held at several unspecified shelters in eastern Virginia, the U.S. Attorney's office said Wednesday.

The civil complaint filed by federal prosecutors does not name the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and is separate from the criminal case against him. But it does state the pit bulls were part of the dogfighting operation known as "Bad Newz Kennels," which Vick and three cohorts are accused of operating.

Also included in the document are detailed allegations about the nature of the animals' training regimen and the dogfights occurring at Vick's property at 1915 Moonlight Road in Surry County.

The government filed three public civil forfeiture notices in a Richmond newspaper to publicize the dogs' confiscation, and the deadline for claims is 30 days after the appearance of the final notice, filed July 24.

Federal prosecutors declined to comment Wednesday on the seized dogs. Typically, when confiscated property goes unclaimed, the government asks the court to have the items declared forfeited. In this case, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson will make the final decision on the dogs' fate.

"There's no dispute over who owns the dogs," said Daphna Nachminovitch, a spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "Obviously this is not going to be a process where someone steps forward and says, 'This is my dog, can I have her back, please?' "

Though Hudson, who also is handling Vick's criminal case, will determine what becomes of the pit bulls, Nachminovitch said that it's likely that they will be euthanized because they're not adoptable as pets.

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them."

Vick, 27, said through a lawyer this week that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He is scheduled to enter his plea agreement Monday and could face up to five years in prison.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. They said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the Bad Newz Kennels enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging.
The locations of the shelters holding the dogs haven't been disclosed out of concern that the animals could be stolen, Nachminovitch said.

"They are a hot commodity in the world of dogfighting," she said.

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« Reply #1617 on: September 01, 2008, 06:59:04 PM »

Who played for both Detroit Lions and Atlanta Falcons, or Virginia Tech and the Detroit Lions?  Michael Vic also played for Virginia Tech. I'm not a football fan, so I don't know much about the players.  DeAngelo Hall sounds interesting because he has played for Virginia Tech, the Falcons, and the Lions.

Joey Harrington?
Harrington, the third overall pick in the 2002 draft, has previously played for the Lions, Dolphins, and Falcons.  Atlanta cut him over the weekend.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

2004 First Round Draft Picks
DeAngelo Hall from Virginia Tech to the Falcons
Kevin Jones from Virginia Tech to the Lions
Michael Vick from Virginia Tech to the Falcons
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9080021_ITM

Joey Harrington
Detroit Lions 2002-2005 Miami Dolphns 2006 Atlanta Falcons 2007
http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:M2brF8-6_WsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington+player+falcons+lions+2005&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

Virginia Tech players drafted by the Falcons
2004 - DeAngelo Hall
2002 - Kevin McCadam
2000 - Anthony Midget
1998 - Ken Oxendine
http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/04252005aaa.html

Drafted Virginia Tech Players
1998 - Ken Oxendine - Atlanta
2000 - Anthony Midget - Atlanta
2001 - Michael Vick - Atlanta
2002 - Kevin MCadam - Atlanta
2004 - Kevin Jones - Detroit
2004 - DeAngelo Hall - Atlanta
2006 - Jimmy Williams - Detroit
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:0CQkuSbdnhoJ:www.hokiesports.com/football/2006MG/pros.pdf+virginia+tech+drafted+football+player+detroit+lions&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
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« Reply #1618 on: September 01, 2008, 07:36:41 PM »

Was DeAngelo Hall one of the party-goers with Michael Vick?

DeAngelo Hall was not cited after his pit bulls attacked a Lawrenceville, Georgia man while the man was walking his dogs. The attack happened after Hall left the dogs with his brother, Tyrone Hall, a former Chicago Bears back-up fullback. The victim and his dog were treated for injuries and released.[2]

In the Falcons 2007 game against the New Orleans Saints, Hall showed his support for fellow Falcon Michael Vick by carrying a poster of Vick onto the field with him, and also wearing "MV7" written on the shade under his eyes. Earlier that day, Vick, who was also a Virginia Tech teammate of Hall's, was sentenced to 23 months in prison on dogfighting charges. [3] Hall was fined $10,000 by the league for his actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeAngelo_Hall

ATLANTA -- Atlanta Falcons defensive back DeAngelo Hall will not be cited after his pit bulls attacked a man while walking his dog. That attack happened Monday night along Stoney Field Place in Lawrenceville, after Hall left the dogs with his brother.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9653722/detail.html

And what about Oscar Allen?
 Oscar Allen, who sold a champion pit bull to suspended NFL quarterback Michael Vick's dogfighting operation, pleaded guilty in Richmond, Va., to a federal dogfighting charge.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2003973357_nfl25.html
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« Reply #1619 on: September 01, 2008, 07:50:47 PM »

There is definitely a pitbull or dog fighting operation here.  This is another very lucrative and sick gambling venture.  There is big, big money in dog fights.  It's interesting that Grey Whisperer knew about Michael Vic's activities long before the US authorities busted him.

Years ago, I purchased a home on several acres in NJ.  While walking my dog in the woods, I stumbled upon my new neighbor's pitbull business.  A large metal enclosure was where he held the fights and trained the pitbulls.  Many Pitbulls were on heavy chains throughout the woods.  It was a nightmare.  Aruba doesn't have a lot of wooded areas to hide something like this.  I wonder if it's literally underground where they keep and train the dogs.  Does LVR have more than one basement?  Could this be the cave for the rave?

I wonder if Michael Vic or one of his football friends was one of the party-goers.  How about the Detroit Lions?  Here we go Lala's and Mum - back to Michigan!

See pics here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/22/natalee-holloway-aruba-search-rave-cave-seach-june-2005-remember-the-search/

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cave%20rave
cave rave party
URBAN DICTIONARY rave in a cave
 
1.  cave rave  14 up, 2 down
 1) A party where the majority of attendees are female
 2) The opposite of a "Sausage Fest"
"Who's gonna be at the party tonight?"
"Tammy, Sarah, Laura, Monifa, Shaniqua..."
"Sounds like a real Cave Rave."
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by JohnoD Sep 4, 2006 email it 0 comments 

2.  cave rave  1 up, 3 down
 a gathering of selected party members, whom refuse to go to bed when the clubs pour them out at silly o'clock.

Key items needed are..
1. Some Decks/tunes/Dj's
2. Some mad raving loons to dance in the dingy depths of the cave
3. Candy
4. Horses
"Yeah, so i got home at about 3 the next afternoon, fair messy, fair sleep deprived."
"Who was there?"
"Well ya know, just the usual horses, just horsing around"
"Aaaah ya gotta love the cave rave
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