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« Reply #1640 on: September 10, 2008, 06:16:10 PM »

Posted by Johan in the NAH thread....regarding Paulus...

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:09:47 AM » Quote 

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He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government .
Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government !
As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money.
dirty pittbull's
He was never  a real judge  but a judge in training  and for particular reasons they quit with him.
Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office
In Holland he was a social lawyer  ,that means that a client don't have to pay him .

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.msg443303#top





was he on time for school? wonder if his schoolmates would say that he has a history of making himself something he's not (a judge, maybe?)...........



If I recall, we were told that the one who was not on time for school was Paulass.  I think he was teaching a class at the college.  We were all confused for a long time because we thought that it was Urine who was late for school.  I think it was Paulass who was late.


apparently you were not the only one.......

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

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« Reply #1641 on: September 10, 2008, 10:26:06 PM »

Posted by Johan in the NAH thread....regarding Paulus...

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:09:47 AM » Quote 

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He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government .
Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government !
As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money.
dirty pittbull's
He was never  a real judge  but a judge in training  and for particular reasons they quit with him.
Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office
In Holland he was a social lawyer  ,that means that a client don't have to pay him .

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.msg443303#top





was he on time for school? wonder if his schoolmates would say that he has a history of making himself something he's not (a judge, maybe?)...........



If I recall, we were told that the one who was not on time for school was Paulass.  I think he was teaching a class at the college.  We were all confused for a long time because we thought that it was Urine who was late for school.  I think it was Paulass who was late.


apparently you were not the only one.......

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Deepak (to Joran) : Your own father, unbelievable.

"GUY" vs. "BOY":

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
check me…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba.
Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino.
Goes out with him.
He declares that to be the case.
Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.
Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino.
Goes out with him.
This makes first guy really mad.
So mad he
confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair.
He knows they know he was with her.
However, he has an airtight alibi.
Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
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« Reply #1642 on: September 11, 2008, 06:30:26 AM »

lol pooch.....

who heeded his call.......who switched places?
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« Reply #1643 on: September 11, 2008, 11:21:50 AM »

lol pooch.....

who heeded his call.......who switched places?

lol colombo....why don't YOU

SAY IT .... SAY IT.... SAY IT..... (sorry, a little "back to school" moment there ) hahaha

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« Reply #1644 on: September 11, 2008, 06:01:00 PM »

Posted by Johan in the NAH thread....regarding Paulus...

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:09:47 AM » Quote 

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He was "Lands Advocate" that means that he worked for the Aruban Government .
Normally they do the "dirty" work for the Government !
As a normal citizen it is not easy to fight with this kind of lawyers because they have "All" the time of the world and money.
dirty pittbull's
He was never  a real judge  but a judge in training  and for particular reasons they quit with him.
Now he is a simple lawyer in a very small office
In Holland he was a social lawyer  ,that means that a client don't have to pay him .

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.msg443303#top





was he on time for school? wonder if his schoolmates would say that he has a history of making himself something he's not (a judge, maybe?)...........



If I recall, we were told that the one who was not on time for school was Paulass.  I think he was teaching a class at the college.  We were all confused for a long time because we thought that it was Urine who was late for school.  I think it was Paulass who was late.


apparently you were not the only one.......

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Deepak (to Joran) : Your own father, unbelievable.

"GUY" vs. "BOY":

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
check me…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba.
Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino.
Goes out with him.
He declares that to be the case.
Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.
Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino.
Goes out with him.
This makes first guy really mad.
So mad he
confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair.
He knows they know he was with her.
However, he has an airtight alibi.
Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?




The guy vs. boy terminology has always been a red flag for me.  He seems to be implying that the cool and crazy guy was older than Urine and the boys.  Natalee was also described as being at the Holiday Inn bar with a local man, by Elizabeth Cain.  From Elizabeth's perspective, this must be someone older than Elizabeth and her peers.  This is one of the reasons why I have considered LVR, though I'm still not completely sure.  LVR was older than Urine and the Pimps.  This is why I feel that the video tapes that have been discussed are from the Holiday Inn and not the ones from the casino that we are familiar with.  There is no way that Natalee had an affair with Paulass.  I feel that Elizabeth saw the person who is the 5th suspect.
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« Reply #1645 on: September 12, 2008, 12:25:28 AM »

The guy vs. boy terminology has always been a red flag for me.  He seems to be implying that the cool and crazy guy was older than Urine and the boys.  Natalee was also described as being at the Holiday Inn bar with a local man, by Elizabeth Cain.  From Elizabeth's perspective, this must be someone older than Elizabeth and her peers.  This is one of the reasons why I have considered LVR, though I'm still not completely sure.  LVR was older than Urine and the Pimps.  This is why I feel that the video tapes that have been discussed are from the Holiday Inn and not the ones from the casino that we are familiar with.  There is no way that Natalee had an affair with Paulass.  I feel that Elizabeth saw the person who is the 5th suspect.

yes to all of the above, IMO

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« Reply #1646 on: September 12, 2008, 08:22:54 AM »

The guy vs. boy terminology has always been a red flag for me.  He seems to be implying that the cool and crazy guy was older than Urine and the boys.  Natalee was also described as being at the Holiday Inn bar with a local man, by Elizabeth Cain.  From Elizabeth's perspective, this must be someone older than Elizabeth and her peers.  This is one of the reasons why I have considered LVR, though I'm still not completely sure.  LVR was older than Urine and the Pimps.  This is why I feel that the video tapes that have been discussed are from the Holiday Inn and not the ones from the casino that we are familiar with.  There is no way that Natalee had an affair with Paulass.  I feel that Elizabeth saw the person who is the 5th suspect.

yes to all of the above, IMO




Paulass is always described as "the fallen judge", etc.  The use of "cool and crazy guy"  is so very different from "fallen judge".  This just screams to me that Paulass is not the same person as the guy from earlier in the week which means that he isn't the 5th.
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« Reply #1647 on: September 12, 2008, 08:30:44 AM »

The guy vs. boy terminology has always been a red flag for me.  He seems to be implying that the cool and crazy guy was older than Urine and the boys.  Natalee was also described as being at the Holiday Inn bar with a local man, by Elizabeth Cain.  From Elizabeth's perspective, this must be someone older than Elizabeth and her peers.  This is one of the reasons why I have considered LVR, though I'm still not completely sure.  LVR was older than Urine and the Pimps.  This is why I feel that the video tapes that have been discussed are from the Holiday Inn and not the ones from the casino that we are familiar with.  There is no way that Natalee had an affair with Paulass.  I feel that Elizabeth saw the person who is the 5th suspect.

yes to all of the above, IMO




Paulass is always described as "the fallen judge", etc.  The use of "cool and crazy guy"  is so very different from "fallen judge".  This just screams to me that Paulass is not the same person as the guy from earlier in the week which means that he isn't the 5th.

I agree SS...Simian and Shango are two different stories...Simian has his 5th. and Shango the Dirty Hands.

I do think Paulus' hands are dirty!
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« Reply #1648 on: September 12, 2008, 08:34:31 AM »

The guy vs. boy terminology has always been a red flag for me.  He seems to be implying that the cool and crazy guy was older than Urine and the boys.  Natalee was also described as being at the Holiday Inn bar with a local man, by Elizabeth Cain.  From Elizabeth's perspective, this must be someone older than Elizabeth and her peers.  This is one of the reasons why I have considered LVR, though I'm still not completely sure.  LVR was older than Urine and the Pimps.  This is why I feel that the video tapes that have been discussed are from the Holiday Inn and not the ones from the casino that we are familiar with.  There is no way that Natalee had an affair with Paulass.  I feel that Elizabeth saw the person who is the 5th suspect.

yes to all of the above, IMO




Paulass is always described as "the fallen judge", etc.  The use of "cool and crazy guy"  is so very different from "fallen judge".  This just screams to me that Paulass is not the same person as the guy from earlier in the week which means that he isn't the 5th.


Yup.
The kiddies were so scared they 'fled' Paradise. I doubt it was for fear of Paulas' sweatin' bullets.

Mystery man/guy. IMHO I believe someone else was also picked up - the '5th' - and held at a different prison. If you recall, several key folks disappeared for a while at the time Natalee went missing, then reappeared with alibi's no one on this board really had checked out - or could check out. 
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« Reply #1649 on: September 12, 2008, 10:05:29 PM »

 Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too. ("Daddy" was there......who switched places....who is the link?)

Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?


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« Reply #1650 on: September 12, 2008, 10:54:24 PM »

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too. ("Daddy" was there......who switched places....who is the link?)

Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/saturday_night_1.php
Curtoursy Harry Tho ....

Also, Tito Lacle in a Scared Monkeys' interview (also on Friday) revealed the missing Excelsior casino manager is a guy named Michael Posner. This is an interesting tidbit, because Posner and Joran were associates. If I am not mistaken, some of Natalee's girlfriends mentioned seeing Natalee talking with this guy in the Excelsior casino. Now, this guy went missing, or unavailable, at about the same time that Natalee was determined to be missing. Whether we can rely on this information or not is questionable, but according to Twitty-Holloway group, it is this casino manger that gave Joran open gambling credit lines at the Excelsior Casino. Tito Lacle only confirms that Joran frequented casinos. The fact that Posner and Natalee went missing during the same week is too much of a coincidence to overlook. Posner would have had all the connections at his disposal to scoop Natalee out of Aruba unnoticed.Yet, Posner's name never seems to surface in any news interview or blog post. Another acquaintance of Natalee's in Aruba is this mysterious guy named Lorenzo. Tito Lacle in a Scared Monkeys' interview revealed this Loranzo's name is Wever and that he had left for Holland. Lorenzo supposedly dined with Natalee a few days before her disappearance. Some posters on another blog contended that Loranzo had a drug connections. To my knowledge, police interviewed Lorenzo during the first month after Natalee's disappearance. I find this last name of Lorenzo - Wever, interesting, because in the early days of the investigation he was referred to as Lorenzo van Rihn or something like that.
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« Reply #1651 on: September 13, 2008, 10:54:49 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response
pg 4-"THE GAME:"     http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf


[not just of babylon-all houses-houses of Arawaks, houses of rave (lions)]

Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand. (DirtyHand knows-so does the elder!)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.   [Arawak]


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« Reply #1652 on: September 14, 2008, 11:31:24 AM »

Just posted on the front page, for those who didn't read it:


Richard to Poochy (#37) … What I still fail to understand is … if this guy Simian really knew something definite (and in light of this new witness, these comments sound very interesting, though perhaps he made others that pointed elsewhere), and wanted to give clues …

Why in the world was he being so elliptical? Why not just send a message to the FBI or to Natalee’s parents saying, “Look here.”

Some people say he/she may have been afraid to come forth openly. Well, in that case, why do this cloak-and-dagger stuff at all?

It’s all part of the mystery that convinces me that something deeper is going on.

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Poochy to Richard (#39),

I think ‘Simian’ is an ALE family member or friend who heard daily case details discussed and posted in a code which they thought was in fact very easy to understand. The FBI knows exactly what is going on. That picture in the news of Beth and Condi Rice was a stern warning to someone to get things resolved. They all heard what happened – there is a SETI satellite in Aruba (aka ‘dots on a dish’).

It was posted on many boards that heroin is the main export of Aruba and that Aruba is a ‘trampoline’ island. Joran was identified early on as a ‘big drug dealer’ . Maybe he can identify dealers and those who package, ship, sail, and fly it off the island. I laughed when I read Deepak stating that the floor boards of his car were glued down so tight “due to the speaker wires” (yeah right). Perhaps those significant others’ are offspring of the Elders, and maybe even some of the ones who fled off that island.

But one code talker ‘greywhisper’ posted “We all know the export IS NOT THE DRUGS, Texan. Find the real export in the middle of the island and you will find the answers you seek.” Based on the mysterious disappearance of Amy Bradley and Max DeVries, I’d say the export is not only heroin but human slavery.

So Richard, here are my thoughts on why this case cannot be solved yet. I think there are TWO major battles taking place within Aruba (and I’m sure many other battles like “Sumerian vs. Babylonian intrusion” but IMHO that battle does not contribute to this unsolved case).

BATTLE #1: This battle is between Joran, Paulus and the Elders and their offspring (maybe some of the ones who fled Aruba just after she went missing). If Joran goes down all the other Elder offspring go down with him. And that is why all the evidence against Joran continues to go missing.

BATTLE #2: This battle is between the drug lords and Aruba officials, basically Oduber. The drug lords are continuing to lose mucho $ with all eyes focusing on Arbua due to this case. The Oduber grave rattling was a warning from the drug lords to ‘the Elders’ to give it up already and end the case (IMO). But they can’t their hands are tied. If Joran goes down, they all go down.

Codetalkers mention ‘Dirty Hand’ - someone who is alive and well (as opposed to someone who we thought was dead or very ill). My guess is that’s who they are all afraid of. The island is very tiny. Any drug ring could easily take over 195 sq kilometers and stuff all the officials and LE in their pocket. It is so small everybody knows everybody.

This chess game is now against the ‘king’ but it is at a stalemate (the King is not under attack and a player has no legal moves and is not in check).
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« Reply #1653 on: September 14, 2008, 08:30:25 PM »

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:09 am
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

 # # # # # # # # # #

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
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« Reply #1654 on: September 14, 2008, 08:31:30 PM »

http://www.cat69.com/
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« Reply #1655 on: September 14, 2008, 09:21:32 PM »

Colombo, why did you post this link? How relevant is it to Natalee's disappearance?
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« Reply #1656 on: September 14, 2008, 09:57:01 PM »

while we're on the subject of Carribean 'exports'.........
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« Reply #1657 on: September 15, 2008, 08:29:22 AM »

while we're on the subject of Carribean 'exports'.........
Oh, ok then.

Do you think those 'exports' on those resorts are there against their will?
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« Reply #1658 on: September 15, 2008, 05:13:16 PM »

while we're on the subject of Carribean 'exports'.........
Oh, ok then.

Do you think those 'exports' on those resorts are there against their will?


pg 4-"THE GAME:"     http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
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« Reply #1659 on: September 15, 2008, 05:16:37 PM »

re: NH

"but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze"

"the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent"
(ask a fallen judge)

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