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« Reply #1680 on: September 20, 2008, 12:53:43 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Or the simple party was at or behind the matty apts, (Deepak to Joran "...your own father") and all the party goers turned the other way... the partygoers must be pinched!


If you believe Simian...the party was at the 5th suspect's house. Simian doesn't mix up his words...Shango did enough of that for them both.
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« Reply #1681 on: September 20, 2008, 12:57:10 PM »

Bringing this over from the NCD thread...

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. The gods are talking.

Shango seems to be saying that Dirty Hand (DTKM?) and the fallen judge (Paulass) are not the same person.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?


"Cool and crazy guy" could not be a description of Paulass.     It's on tape indicates to me that somewhere the 5th is on a tape with Natalee.  This is why I think that there are Holiday Inn tapes we haven't seen.  "After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same casino" indicates to me that this is probably when she met up with Urine.

"He has an airtight alibi.  Some friends say they were at home with him.  Until the morning".  Nobody that I know of said that they were at home with Paulass all night.  Max Arendsz and a few others, however, did provide an alibi for Lorenzo and said that they were at his house.  Lorenzo's girlfriend also provided an alibi that she was with him all night.

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« Reply #1682 on: September 20, 2008, 03:29:45 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Or the simple party was at or behind the matty apts, (Deepak to Joran "...your own father") and all the party goers turned the other way... the partygoers must be pinched!


If you believe Simian...the party was at the 5th suspects house. Simian doesn't mix up his words...Shango did enough of that for them both.

If the party was at Joran's house, why would Joran need a ride back home to his own house?

He got a ride to the party from the Kalpoes, and now based on the new witness he got ride back home from Paulus.
 
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

The party was here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the Arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

***********THE THIRD ACT********

Merian says one rested and the other went to the aid of 'the foul mouthed one'.

I presume Joran is the 'foul mouthed one'. If one rested and the other went to his aid, it could be either set: Deepak/Satish or Paulus/Val.

Merian 7/14/05 11:48 pm
Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish. The thing is that it came back to haunt you. Little altars built into their rooms. Only one rested, while the other one went to the aid of the foul mouthed one. Bite your tongue off now. The elder is half the man he used to be. Dragging his feet on the lonely streets.
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« Reply #1683 on: September 20, 2008, 03:42:42 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Or the simple party was at or behind the matty apts, (Deepak to Joran "...your own father") and all the party goers turned the other way... the partygoers must be pinched!


If you believe Simian...the party was at the 5th suspect's house. Simian doesn't mix up his words...Shango did enough of that for them both.

I think when Simian said

"...The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?.." 

that meant the 5th was seen at the party where Natalee was taken to, but denied it by saying he had hosted his own party at his house that night.  THERE WAS NO PARTY AT HIS HOUSE. THE 5TH GOT OTHERS TO SAY THEY WERE WITH HIM AT THIS FAKE PARTY AT HIS HOUSE. THE IMPORTANT ONES SUPPORTING THIS FALSE ALIBI WERE ALSO WITH THE 5TH AT THE SAME PARTY WHERE NATALEE WAS TAKEN TO. THE PARTY GOERS (AT THE REAL 'PARTY', NOT FAKE PARTY MUST BE PINCHED)

So who was supposed to have a party at their home on the same fateful night? Lorenzo? Did Lorenzo sneak out and go to the Matty Apts? See the Simain quotes around "the whole time".

Simian Says "Lucy you are wrong. ..It was just a simple party at his house. He was [there] “the whole time.”

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« Reply #1684 on: September 20, 2008, 04:26:59 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Or the simple party was at or behind the matty apts, (Deepak to Joran "...your own father") and all the party goers turned the other way... the partygoers must be pinched!


If you believe Simian...the party was at the 5th suspects house. Simian doesn't mix up his words...Shango did enough of that for them both.

If the party was at Joran's house, why would Joran need a ride back home to his own house?

He got a ride to the party from the Kalpoes, and now based on the new witness he got ride back home from Paulus.
 

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

The party was here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the Arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

***********THE THIRD ACT********

Merian says one rested and the other went to the aid of 'the foul mouthed one'.

I presume Joran is the 'foul mouthed one'. If one rested and the other went to his aid, it could be either set: Deepak/Satish or Paulus/Val.

Merian 7/14/05 11:48 pm
Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish. The thing is that it came back to haunt you. Little altars built into their rooms. Only one rested, while the other one went to the aid of the foul mouthed one. Bite your tongue off now. The elder is half the man he used to be. Dragging his feet on the lonely streets.

That means Joran is not the 5th suspect...he wasn't having a party at his house...he was with Natalee most of the night.  So you have to look elsewhere for the 5th suspect...back to Freddy... he could have had a party at his place...but then how do the apartments, so many believe were used, fit in?  Where does the house reference come in?  If you take Simian at his word you can eliminate certain people...it's all abut the context...as I have said for years now.
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« Reply #1685 on: September 20, 2008, 04:28:33 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Or the simple party was at or behind the matty apts, (Deepak to Joran "...your own father") and all the party goers turned the other way... the partygoers must be pinched!


If you believe Simian...the party was at the 5th suspect's house. Simian doesn't mix up his words...Shango did enough of that for them both.

I think when Simian said

"...The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?.." 

that meant the 5th was seen at the party where Natalee was taken to, but denied it by saying he had hosted his own party at his house that night.  THERE WAS NO PARTY AT HIS HOUSE. THE 5TH GOT OTHERS TO SAY THEY WERE WITH HIM AT THIS FAKE PARTY AT HIS HOUSE. THE IMPORTANT ONES SUPPORTING THIS FALSE ALIBI WERE ALSO WITH THE 5TH AT THE SAME PARTY WHERE NATALEE WAS TAKEN TO. THE PARTY GOERS (AT THE REAL 'PARTY', NOT FAKE PARTY MUST BE PINCHED)

So who was supposed to have a party at their home on the same fateful night? Lorenzo? Did Lorenzo sneak out and go to the Matty Apts? See the Simain quotes around "the whole time".

Simian Says "Lucy you are wrong. ..It was just a simple party at his house. He was [there] “the whole time.”



Simian clearly says it was at his house...he was the host.  Speculation was the party goers included JR at one point...speculation mind you.
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« Reply #1686 on: September 20, 2008, 04:58:54 PM »

Lala's...Do I need to go find the post about Freddy and his airtight alibi?
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« Reply #1687 on: September 20, 2008, 05:06:31 PM »

Simian never conclusively says that there was a party

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
No one has openly said there is no hope. Three cadaver dogs on the way. Sonar equipment to look for a body in as deep as 300 meters of water.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.
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« Reply #1688 on: September 20, 2008, 05:34:47 PM »

PVDS could not have been at the house of ill repute and poison notes because he allegedly never left home (means/motive/opportunity.....how could he have done it)

quoting Poochy:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

The party was here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the Arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

***********THE THIRD ACT********


back to Colombo now.......

who switched places!!!??? Joran stayed behind.........where?



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« Reply #1689 on: September 20, 2008, 07:46:30 PM »

PVDS could not have been at the house of ill repute and poison notes because he allegedly never left home (means/motive/opportunity.....how could he have done it)

quoting Poochy:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.

The party was here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the Arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

***********THE THIRD ACT********


back to Colombo now.......

who switched places!!!??? Joran stayed behind.........where?

Colombo, maybe the answer lies in this verse

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
The Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage. To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune. The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys. But the loot remains hidden. And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well. The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys.

and it is one of these:

The Elder,                          ---> who is this?
The Arawak singing card,      ---> who is this that has been kept well hidden?
The loot                            ---> Is this Natalee or the sh*t as in "if they find the girl they will see the sh*t" ?
The fallen judge                  ---> Paulus
The singing card                 ---> who is this? Is this different from the Arawak singing card?
(and Dirtyhand)                  ---> who is this?
not in this verse
but had to add him/her)

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Also, what does 'preserve his lineage' mean in this phrase "...The Elder needs to sing [TALK] to preserve his lineage   ???
That the Elder needs to talk or his SON (lineage) will die? More than one SON? Or can we infer that the Elder only has ONE son?
 
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« Reply #1690 on: September 20, 2008, 08:27:12 PM »

The LAMB and the (sacrificial) GOAT:

1. The ELDER = ???                   and the ELDER's SON = ??    (or maybe he doesn't have a son)

2. The FALLEN JUDGE =PAULUS)  and the FALLEN JUDGE'S SON = GOAT (JORAN)

3. The ARAWAK KING = ??           and the ARAWAK KING's SON = LION?

The LION is the son of the Arawak KING they are all protecting??

KING's son is a PRINCE
"...the PRINCE at this ball is no PRINCE charming.."

"...Preserve the lineage - the lineage of his crown..."


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:29 am
Babylon is Falling. The Arawak teepees will be crushed. will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion to make the cowboys smile.


btw, there's more shango posts here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts  that are not included in the SM Simian/Shango thread - we need to figure out who the LIONS are...

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,


while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

Threadsurfers listen!

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.

But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking
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« Reply #1691 on: September 20, 2008, 08:59:13 PM »

While googling around, I found an interesting article about "passageways used once before".

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/30/local/me-tunnel30

"UNFILLED TUNNELS A WEAK LINK AT BORDER"

"...Seven of the largest tunnels discovered under the U.S.-Mexico border in recent years have yet to be filled in, authorities said, raising concerns because smugglers have tried to reuse such passages before.

Merian Ernest 7/26/05 3:51pm
The Multi fractions spell democracy to the Simian. The tyranny of duality does not live in the conuco. Yes or no are not the only answers.  Pick up the pieces and make an island. Only the one who chopped it down understands. Sell your convictions to try and understand. Start anew, a new man. Who says the one who broke is the one who knows? Look by the haystack in the small hours. They live in the conuco, but they are the only ones who can open the palace doors. The federales should be careful not to grease the palace floors. The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.   The checkmate is the same the tables might have turned. There are no donkeys or mules in chess only horses.

While I initially thought it meant "legal loopholes" and the robed ones were "judges", maybe passageways mean underwater tunnel systems, accessed by the several caves on Aruba. OK, don't laugh 

Codetalkers mention the cRAVE - the Rave in a cave, and who knows...there are many undersea tunnels over 17 mi. in length (distance to VZ)...and Choose-a-name was found outside of a cave.

...and we all laughed at the poster who said Natalee was driven to VZ.

Codetalkers also mentions Santa Marta, northern CO.  Interesting mention about the Haystack. Maybe there's an entranceway there? The answer lies on the whispering wind - the Haystack/Hooiberg stairway perhaps?

Merian Ernest   7/13/05 5:51 pm
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about. Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch…grid by grid.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened. The cowboys need to find the right path, but they can’t hear the music. [THE MUSIC PLAYS AT NIGHT IN THE WEE HOURS, NOT DURING THE DAY WHEN THEY ARE SEARCHING] The Arawaks know. Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides. Cowboys don’t read smoke signals, they must enter the maze! Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:33 am
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots. The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.
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« Reply #1692 on: September 20, 2008, 09:48:14 PM »

I am surprised no one has latched onto the Paulus as the 5th suspect yet again...things are beginning to point in his direction as the 5th. 

Left the party...came to pickup Joran..party goers were the alibi....how could he have left...it was a simple party at his house...etc.

Are you guys falling down on the job again...where are my pencils? Rolling Eyes

Colombo and I have been saying forever that Paulus is the fifth.

My gut still tells me LVR.


who is DirtyHand?

I think these people actually saw who DirtyHand is, apprehended him, called the cops, and the cops drove away and I presume let him back out on the streets to do his next dirty deed.  I left off the person's name, but it is around the net if you care to google.

And how many more we don't know about.... this one made it out alive...(wonder if the hubby's name was David...)

http://tinyurl.com/4msum7

A Tourist in 1996 (posting in 2005):

My heart aches for Natalee and her family. I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the tv, exactly what happened to her. I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE.

In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends. We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino. My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning. I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldnt go to the police. When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the tv for the Holloway-Twitty family. They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commishioner of the casino had a problem with the "man",  and were also willing to help my husband and I.

We switched hotels that day, and stayed in most of the time we were there. The night before we were to leave all 6 of us decided to go to the beach. That "man" showed up. My husband and cousin got a hold of him, we asked a hotel worker to call the police (they took almost an hour to get there). We told them what had happened and they simply put him in the back of the police jeep uncuffed, and drove away with him. I guess we were all in shock, my husband and I just glad to be leaving both alive.

They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a wh*re-House, no big deal??
I have tried to get in touch with the Beth Holloway, I think I could maybe help her or at least tell her that Natalee didnt feel any pain, as I said I was drugged and I dont remember anything until the next day. A lot of parents are now coming on tv again with the same situations of missing children from all islands, but none have gotten any justice or even an answer. It seems I am the only one to have survived. I pray for Natalee and her family every morning and every night, and badly wish there was a way to comfort her mom, who has been, and has had to be, a very strong woman. My husband had to only endure a couple hours of not knowing if I was alive or what happened. He said he cant imagine how they feel. So our hearts and prayers are with them daily. I hope this all ends soon for them, no mother should have to be put through this.

I havent been able to talk about what happened to me for 9 years, but I would do ANYTHING to help Natalee and her family

(see johan555 post here for yet another issue of a missing couple here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.920)



reminds me of the cruise ship incident a few yrs back......security folks seen in the room, husband ends up overboard.....wife wakes up in the hallway near the captains quarters
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« Reply #1693 on: September 21, 2008, 04:00:12 AM »

What did you say Lalas?  Something about context?

My first pick for 5th suspect has to be Lorenzo - he is crazy for sure - is well known for parties at his house and associated drug supply. Freddy is a close second. I have to add that I do not consider any of the young males on Aruba to be "cool" but maybe that is just my age.

Poochy/Colombo - many stories of security or law enforcement being involved in such cases and especially on cruise ships.  Had a friend who worked security on one of the biggest Pacific cruise lines - stories she told of what the ship's staff and especially the male security officers got up to exploiting the passengers were hair raising.
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« Reply #1694 on: September 21, 2008, 05:51:55 AM »

From what we have learned there are two people named Max Arends(sz).

The first Max Arends is a friend of Urine and the Pimps.  He is the one I refer to as "eyebrows".  Following Natalee's disappearance he went to Valencia County College in Florida.  He has since returned and is currently living in Aruba.

The second Max (Maxito) Arendsz is the owner of the Aruba Speedshop.  At one point, he was posting and reported that he did not know Lorenzo, although he later provided the photograph of Lorenzo in his van.  It was later learned that this Max was interviewed by ALE and provided an alibi for Lorenzo, saying he was with himthe night Natalee disappeared.  He is reportedly a friend of Lorenzo.
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From what we have learned there are two people named Max Arends(sz).

The first Max Arends is a friend of Urine and the Pimps.  He is the one I refer to as "eyebrows".  Following Natalee's disappearance he went to Valencia County College in Florida.  He has since returned and is currently living in Aruba.

The second Max (Maxito) Arendsz is the owner of the Aruba Speedshop.  At one point, he was posting and reported that he did not know Lorenzo, although he later provided the photograph of Lorenzo in his van.  It was later learned that this Max was interviewed by ALE and provided an alibi for Lorenzo, saying he was with himthe night Natalee disappeared.  He is reportedly a friend of Lorenzo.
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« Reply #1696 on: September 21, 2008, 06:10:07 AM »

Somewhere on one of these threads there is a photograph of Max (Maxito) Arendsz who is the friend of Lorenzo, but I can't find it.  Does anyone know where it is?
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« Reply #1697 on: September 21, 2008, 09:29:56 AM »

From what we have learned there are two people named Max Arends(sz).

The first Max Arends is a friend of Urine and the Pimps.  He is the one I refer to as "eyebrows".  Following Natalee's disappearance he went to Valencia County College in Florida.  He has since returned and is currently living in Aruba.

The second Max (Maxito) Arendsz is the owner of the Aruba Speedshop.  At one point, he was posting and reported that he did not know Lorenzo, although he later provided the photograph of Lorenzo in his van.  It was later learned that this Max was interviewed by ALE and provided an alibi for Lorenzo, saying he was with himthe night Natalee disappeared.  He is reportedly a friend of Lorenzo.
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All roads now lead back to Lorenzo again LOL!!

Wild and crazy guy Lorenzo was said to have had rave parties. So maybe he did had a rave party that night. Natalee, Joran, Kalpoes went to the party under cover of delusion. Kalpoes took Joran to the party.

We know Deepak was bored inside C&C cuz he waited outside by the car for them and even called Satish looking for him. And we know Deepak was going somewhere other than C&C cuz he took a shower to only hang for 30 min before C&C closed? (NOT).

So now they followed the honey laden notes to a rave party at Lorenzos. In a drugged state she was moved to another location by ???  But Lorenzo was the host - how could he have left his own party? It was a simple party at his house...he was the host...how could he have LEFT?

So where did Lorenzo go with Joran from ?? - 4am?

And then we know Paulus took Joran home.


So the GUY is Lorenzo
So the BOY is Joran
FALLEN JUDGE is Paulus
ELDER/FALLEN ELDER = ??
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« Reply #1698 on: September 21, 2008, 11:05:22 AM »

Lorenzo van Rijn?

Lorenzo van Gijn – Son of a judge?

Joran van der Sloot – son of a lawyer?

Fallen Elder=Paulus?

Fallen Judge=Leo van Rijn?

Hmmm…Wonder why Jossy said his name was Lorenzo van Gijn, but didn’t tell us till way after the fact that Freddy had been detained early in the case.


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this is probably nothing - I just noticed some coincidences.

Diamars, 08 April 2008

FRODIGAL SON. Sergio Duarte is back on the island. Fifteen years ago when  Atlantis Hotel was conceived and built by the Duarte family Sergio lived here and had a good time, chasing chicks, waterskiing, night-clubbing. Later the project got into trouble, fell into a state of despair, and was quagmired in the courts. Over the years a number of personal and business losses – Sergio’s beautiful sister lost her life in a tragic car accident at the then dangerous airport junction – humbled and quieted the man. He is today happily married raising two beautiful boys and hoping to return to Aruba and revive Atlantis. The trouble, he says is over, the government has been paid and most issues settled. I bumped into Sergio at Lounge Rouge, Texas de Brazil, accompanying business man Alfonso Riverol and a pair of glamorous women. Some things don’t change . .

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/batibleki/index.html

Diario Diamars, 12 Juli, 2005
(Jossy Mansuers Newspaper)
FRODIGAL SON. Sergio Duarte is back on the island. Fifteen years ago when ****Atlantis Hotel*** was conceived and built by the Duarte family Sergio lived here and had a good time, chasing chicks, waterskiing, night-clubbing. Later the project got into trouble, fell into a state of despair, and was quagmired in the courts. Over the years a number of personal and business losses – Sergio’s beautiful sister lost her life in a tragic car accident at the then dangerous airport junction – humbled and quieted the man. He is today happily married raising two beautiful boys and hoping to return to Aruba and revive Atlantis. The trouble, he says is over, the government has been paid and most issues settled. I bumped into Sergio at Lounge Rouge, Texas de Brazil, accompanying business man ****Alfonso Riverol**** and a pair of glamorous women. Some things don’t change . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts

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frodical

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/FRODIGAL

No results found for FRODIGAL:

interesting use of a word that doesn't exist by a paid journalist. The letter "F" and the letter "P" are not close enough on the keyboard to make that mistake with a simple keystroke.

example;

frodigal was found in the article below.

Athens Messenger, The
Friday, November 10, 1967
Newspaper Text:
THE MESSENGER, Athens, Ohio Friday, Nov. Page 7 for on Frodigal Son Story Of Boy Who Found Himself BISHOP NOAH MOORE JR. Presiding Bishop, Southwestern Methodist Area Jesus loves people, though he often became the victim of char- acter assassins because he did. The Master had a high regard for human personality. He gave no titles to this parable, and it possibly should be called the Prodigal Brother and not the Prodigal Son. Really, both boys were lost. And perhaps the elder son was more of a prodigal, for there is no evidence of his re- pentance. In reality it is t...

http://www.newspaperarchive.com/LandingPage.aspx?type=glp&search=frodigal&img=\\na0004\6779332\35453423_clean.html

all references to FRODICAL SEEM TO BE RELIGIOUS and old testament.

which reminded me of this -

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


through Morse code translator - http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi

translated is:
"ELPADRESOOSANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEED."


THE FATHER SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED(??) - UNVEILED(??)

A better term would be, of course, PRODIGAL.

PRODIGAL -

–adjective
1.   wastefully or recklessly extravagant: prodigal expenditure.
2.   giving or yielding profusely; lavish (usually fol. by of or with): prodigal of smiles; prodigal with money.
3.   lavishly abundant; profuse: nature's prodigal resources.
–noun
4.   a person who spends, or has spent, his or her money or substance with wasteful extravagance; spendthrift.
[Origin: 1500–10; back formation from prodigality]

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here's where it starts getting tricky, so try to follow me.

Mr Sergio Durante arrived back on the island - but from where? He lives somewhere with his wife and two sons.

the name Sérgio Duarte is just slightly different due to variant of the letter “e”.

This letter also appears in Catalan, French, Irish, Italian, Occitan, Portuguese, Spanish, and Vietnamese language.

PAPIAMENTU(O) is a combination of Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, English and some words original to Aruba.

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next - I am not sure this is the same person.

http://saofranciscoxavier.net/spvjornal/2003/novembro/colunasocial.htm

Ricardo Vignini & Sergio Duarte in the show Sotaque Blues. The pair that is journeying, in shows in the Cultural Center of the Bank of Brazil, Bourbon Steet and Sesc passes for the Photozofia Cyber Coffee, in this Saturday day 15 of November. to 21h30. Sergio Duarte and Ricardo Vignini already work together in partnerships that last ten years more than. In this show " Sotaque Blues" , they develop its works with agility and complicity, hour the gaita migrando for fashion of viola, hour the viola falling in blues. A peculiar tunning enters the instruments of each one, renewing the fashion of viola… … inadiavelmente it is definitively and inadiavelmente marked for days 13,14 and 15 of November, in the Cabaret of the Arts, behind doRestaurante There Mouth, always from the 21:00 hs., the new Divine show of the Croquettes. the new spectacle brings many new features, also much new people stepping on for the first time in one palco. in day 13, it goes to be thus a species of general assay directed more toward the chiquense public and with ingressions the most popular prices: R$ 3,00. in the other days, the price will be of anticipated R$ 5,00 (until day 12) and R$ 8,00 in the door. therefore, it reserves already its for telephone 12 39261819, in the little store of Sitio Old Paineira or in the Affetto Coffee. you do not go to want to lose the show more caliente of the season? or he goes? … … Combo formed from July of 2001 with the main objective to work with good instrumental music, using diverse combinations of timbres, however conventional, however of experimental character, arriving at a final result that surprises for the clarity, simplicity and good taste of its arrangements. the group, represented for Clevinho de here Oliveira in saxofone and flute, Ricardo Pescara in the violão and Demétrius Chamber in the percussion, comes with the show of launching of its first Compact disc Point of Fusing, bringing musics of the national repertoire with suitable arrangements of the original formation of 12 musicians. the show standes out Brazilian composers of reputation in instrumental music and vocal, the songs take a walk for the rhythms that characterize culture of Brazil. Saturday 07/11 in the Photozofia Cybercafé & Kitchen, from the hs.info 21:30 rmações 12 39261406… … in the film " The Garden of the Finzi Contini" , of Vittorio de Sica (1970), a family of rich Jews closes the eyes for the growth of the Nazi-fascism, that is sending Jewish poor persons for the concentration camps, taking refuge itself in its beautiful e well well-taken care of garden. but the monster comes to beat in its gate and then it is late excessively. they already do not have to who to appeal. here, I and others " poor persons estrangeiros" we were victims of the vile violence that did not deserve attention of the chiquenses or joseenses authorities. they at least did not dignaram themselves to make an inquiry. I was white of chacotas and debauches " tem" is only stolen who;. but now it, the violence, beats in the gates of the Madre Saint, strong institution, there the dumb thing of figure. police agencies had been set in motion. I do not question the fact. but why I did not deserve similar treatment? why they had not been interested when the assault occurred in my house? or it will be that finally they had understood that all, without exception, can be the victims? I only wait that, as in the film, it is not late excessively… … " Either universal, it equally likes all the things - it never disdains the infinite diversity of the things and its formas" (Leonardo of the Vinci)… … night of the pizza in the Pizzaria of Andres, this friday, 07/11, from 20hs. you can only eat to will and paid R$ 8,00, this exactly, eight Reals. drunk to the part… … speaking of the cabeludos of Liverpool, in 1964, after the thundering world-wide success, them they arrive at the cinema for the hands of Richard Lester, then famous English director, reads "The Taste of Honey" , among others, in the comedy " The Hard Day´s Night" , in Brazil, " The Kings of the IE, IE, Iê". it is a phase where music is in second plain for the idolatria of the image of the youngsters… … you know somebody that she does not know to read or to write? the project Moves Brazil will be giving young gratuitous lessons for alfabetização of e adult. registrations in the School Seting of Oliveira Snake. up to 07 of November. the course, that will have the duration of 10 months, supplies certified of the Institute Pablo Freire…

HONEY LADEN NOTES?

 -TRANSLATION THROUGH BABEL FISH- PORTUGUESE TO ENGLISH

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Sergio Duarte's musical partner Ricardo Vignini performs "MASTER OF PUPPETS" BY METALLICA -

http://www.youtube.com/Ricardo Vigniniwatch?v=z4oslAryVdg



ACES HIGH - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UVk7I5m_Wc&feature=related

MYSPACE VIDEOS - RICARDO VIGNINI - HE IS LOCATED ON THE LEFT.

http://tinyurl.com/4y5cj8

WAYN PROFILE - SAN PAOLO BRAZIL

http://www.wayn.com/waynprofile.html?member_key=4271891

MYSPACE -

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=150666819&albumId=0

connection to Armin and HARD ROCK / METAL?

Sergio Duarte

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dBQadPQ7rE





Sérgio Duarte - Folk Blues - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuX_9yaP_tU&feature=related

MORE FROM SERGIO DUARTE

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=SERGIO+DUARTE&search_type=

ARMIN'S MYSPACE

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50913824

I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY LINK TO EITHER RICARDO VIGNINI OR SERGIO DUARTE TO ARMIN

BUT THE COINCIDES ARE TOO MUCH TO LET SLIDE BY.

ALL I HAVE FOUND IS THAT A FRIEND OF ARMIN'S - ANTONIO BELLO - (WHO I ALSO KNOW) IS FROM VENEZUELA AND BOTH PLAY AT CAFE CHAOS. I did find that Duarte and Vignini have both played in Caracas.

ANTONIO BELLO - MYSPACE

http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=150436718

ANTONIO BELLO DOT COM

http://www.antonio-bello.com/



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