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« Reply #1700 on: September 21, 2008, 02:02:41 PM »

Lorenzo van Rijn?

Lorenzo van Gijn – Son of a judge?

Joran van der Sloot – son of a lawyer?

Fallen Elder=Paulus?

Fallen Judge=Leo van Rijn?

Hmmm…Wonder why Jossy said his name was Lorenzo van Gijn, but didn’t tell us till way after the fact that Freddy had been detained early in the case.


Because Freddy knows the truth...Freddy has always known the truth...
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« Reply #1701 on: September 21, 2008, 02:38:55 PM »

Lorenzo van Rijn?

Lorenzo van Gijn – Son of a judge?

Joran van der Sloot – son of a lawyer?

Fallen Elder=Paulus?

Fallen Judge=Leo van Rijn?

Hmmm…Wonder why Jossy said his name was Lorenzo van Gijn, but didn’t tell us till way after the fact that Freddy had been detained early in the case.


I'd say you got the names right, but maybe --

Elder = Leo van Rijn   (Leo the Lion, King of the jungle. Is Leo this short for Leonardo?)
Fallen Judge=Paulus

--because the family name van Rijn/Gijn is a historical name like a Croes or Wever, and in 2005 I think we all thought Paulus was a judge...(now he is a fallen judge. )

Your thoughts?

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FYI to all - I also don't think we should get so hung up on the term 'affair' meaning someone dating a married person.

I think Joran says in his book that he had an 'affair' by cheating on his current girlfriend with another girl (I didn't read the book, I remember reading a post on his book about this 'affair').

I've also seen it used on myspace between young teens when they cheat on their current boy/girlfriend.

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« Reply #1702 on: September 21, 2008, 03:03:08 PM »

Lorenzo van Rijn?

Lorenzo van Gijn – Son of a judge?

Joran van der Sloot – son of a lawyer?

Fallen Elder=Paulus?

Fallen Judge=Leo van Rijn?

Hmmm…Wonder why Jossy said his name was Lorenzo van Gijn, but didn’t tell us till way after the fact that Freddy had been detained early in the case.


Because Freddy knows the truth...Freddy has always known the truth...

and because of Satish Kalpoe's June 24, 2005 Statement (notice the use of the term "THE CAMERA", not once but twice-- the camera they used perhaps 20 X before as in Joran's "we've done this 20 times before and nothing like this ever happened before..."):

"...on your question if I can remember if during of the many conversations at Joran’s home that the father said “no corpse no case”, I can say it following: The father of Joran said it in other words. The father of Joran had said: “if there is no corpse it would be difficult to arrest us”.

The second time was when
 Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy.


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« Reply #1703 on: September 21, 2008, 03:14:41 PM »

Caps,

If you happen to check in, could you translate this please? TIA!

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« Reply #1704 on: September 21, 2008, 03:23:21 PM »


From what we have learned there are two people named Max Arends(sz).

The first Max Arends is a friend of Urine and the Pimps.  He is the one I refer to as "eyebrows".  Following Natalee's disappearance he went to Valencia County College in Florida.  He has since returned and is currently living in Aruba.

The second Max (Maxito) Arendsz is the owner of the Aruba Speedshop.  At one point, he was posting and reported that he did not know Lorenzo, although he later provided the photograph of Lorenzo in his van.  It was later learned that this Max was interviewed by ALE and provided an alibi for Lorenzo, saying he was with him the night Natalee disappeared.  He is reportedly a friend of Lorenzo.

very small correction:
Andry Lopez aka grumpy/best friend of Maxito = Peeps/the SM poster.
Peeps said he/Maxito didn't know/didn't want to know LvR ...
and then shortly thereafter Peeps provided the LvR/van photo
(which was a staged photo op)

Somewhere on one of these threads there is a photograph of Max (Maxito) Arendsz who is the friend of Lorenzo, but I can't find it.  Does anyone know where it is?

Finngirl, here's another of Maxito Arendsz (far right.)  Andry Lopez (Peeps) to the left of him.



re Rob's Antonio Bello info ...
altho I'm sure we'll be told that Bello is an extremely common name:

sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello. From the Aruba Speed Shop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless... SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

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« Reply #1705 on: September 21, 2008, 03:25:13 PM »

Simian never conclusively says that there was a party

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
No one has openly said there is no hope. Three cadaver dogs on the way. Sonar equipment to look for a body in as deep as 300 meters of water.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.




bumping........re: affair

Simian (when asked to clarify) says he is not into repeating himself-then posts his "ca$ino" story (repeating himself), also suggesting that his story was not about the boys-this (IMO) lends even more weight to his use of the word affair......along with Shango's mentioning concern about "teepees"

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« Reply #1706 on: September 21, 2008, 07:15:39 PM »

From what we have learned there are two people named Max Arends(sz).

The first Max Arends is a friend of Urine and the Pimps.  He is the one I refer to as "eyebrows".  Following Natalee's disappearance he went to Valencia County College in Florida.  He has since returned and is currently living in Aruba.

The second Max (Maxito) Arendsz is the owner of the Aruba Speedshop.  At one point, he was posting and reported that he did not know Lorenzo, although he later provided the photograph of Lorenzo in his van.  It was later learned that this Max was interviewed by ALE and provided an alibi for Lorenzo, saying he was with himthe night Natalee disappeared.  He is reportedly a friend of Lorenzo.
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This is a recent photograph of Max Arends (Eyebrows) with his grandfather.  This Max Arends was one of the Pimps.

All roads now lead back to Lorenzo again LOL!!

Wild and crazy guy Lorenzo was said to have had rave parties. So maybe he did had a rave party that night. Natalee, Joran, Kalpoes went to the party under cover of delusion. Kalpoes took Joran to the party.

We know Deepak was bored inside C&C cuz he waited outside by the car for them and even called Satish looking for him. And we know Deepak was going somewhere other than C&C cuz he took a shower to only hang for 30 min before C&C closed? (NOT).

So now they followed the honey laden notes to a rave party at Lorenzos. In a drugged state she was moved to another location by ???  But Lorenzo was the host - how could he have left his own party? It was a simple party at his house...he was the host...how could he have LEFT?

So where did Lorenzo go with Joran from ?? - 4am?

And then we know Paulus took Joran home.


So the GUY is Lorenzo
So the BOY is Joran
FALLEN JUDGE is Paulus
ELDER/FALLEN ELDER = ??



The Elder = Ben Voking
Dirty Hand = DTKM
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« Reply #1707 on: September 21, 2008, 08:44:39 PM »

dirty hand

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. (not one teepee, many) House of Babylon falls.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Arawaks (many teepees) worried about being caught with dirty hand

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself (for somebody else?), so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window (MS Windows?) with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting

Find DirtyHand! He too (he is the link!) walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.

[above, restated]:
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
the game, pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
                  pg 7: Arawaks "probing fetid depths"


dirty hand:
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs (they have "probed" the fetid depths!!!)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (who play in the maze)
and the arawak nation (fetid depth-probing Arawaks)
meet (DirtyHand is the link, holds the real key, a minion), under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!



Goodship Lollipop:
http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html
excerpt:
According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown, whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

 The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes casino that employed eighteen full-time people to accommodate the gambling high rollers and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear.
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« Reply #1708 on: September 22, 2008, 09:45:58 AM »

So...what does Freddy know?
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« Reply #1709 on: September 22, 2008, 12:36:32 PM »

So...what does Freddy know?


I think "Freddy" knows everything...what happened that night, what happened the 20 times before, who what where...

I am just not convinced that "Freddy" is Freddy Arambatzis anymore!

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« Reply #1710 on: September 23, 2008, 11:26:21 AM »

"The Lion's Den" - another Dutch version -

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Much is revealed when she grips her father's hand when they enter "the lion's den," a famous restaurant taken over by the Nazis.


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/experience-danger-chaos-world-war/story.aspx?guid=%7B844A5BB3-5D3D-44FE-A019-50ECB8CF145F%7D&dist=hppr

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At the time, Hotel Des Indes was the most luxurious and elegant hotel in The Hague. The name spelled already the colonial and oriental atmosphere: "Hotel of the Indies." It was a popular meeting place for visitors from the Far East, especially from Indonesia, or for ex-patriots returning home. Here you could find people with similar international life experience, who would talk longingly about the East, and taste favorite oriental dishes again. ...

http://www.vanderlaaken.com/exerpt.html
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« Reply #1711 on: September 23, 2008, 04:36:37 PM »

So...what does Freddy know?


I think "Freddy" knows everything...what happened that night, what happened the 20 times before, who what where...

I am just not convinced that "Freddy" is Freddy Arambatzis anymore!





Freddy knows everything.  He's the one with the camera.  He is definitely not an Arambatzis.  I think he's a Zedan-Martina, and so is his sister, Natasha.
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« Reply #1712 on: September 24, 2008, 01:01:00 AM »

So...what does Freddy know?


I think "Freddy" knows everything...what happened that night, what happened the 20 times before, who what where...

I am just not convinced that "Freddy" is Freddy Arambatzis anymore!





Freddy knows everything.  He's the one with the camera.  He is definitely not an Arambatzis.  I think he's a Zedan-Martina, and so is his sister, Natasha.


He is Freddy Martina and I said it since the begining. The only person capable to do that is Freddy Martina since he did it before where there was a porn movie circling on the Web and he is the one that did it.

He is the one that will process the DVD and sell it.

He was arrested and I know him.

Will get to the bottom of this.
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« Reply #1713 on: September 24, 2008, 05:12:48 AM »

Posted by Lala's in NAH...Thanks Lala's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.200


Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #212 on: September 22, 2008, 10:03:04 AM » 

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Hey Magnolia!  LOL  Some think the key is based in Santeria religion...some think it is based in mythology...I am beginning to think it means nothing by now. Yes, I said that...Shango so wanted Joran and the Kalpoes to be innocent and someone else...dirty hand to have all the answers. 

So we have:

Masonic
Santeria
Mythology
Marvel Comics
Gambling


Shango can be interpreted in all theses different areas and quite successfully too. What if Shango had been reading a book that week and he/she used ideas from that particular book to get his message across....what if Shango didn't have a message outside of Simian's postings...what if they both were methods of deception...I could go on and on and I have at one time or the other...what if?  It all depends on who Shango is as to what they meant...just like Simian.
end quote...


He doesn't understand Pap either

What if Shango just liked to insert himself into situations. Likes to feel important. Be the center of attention...

Caps...I don't think he is in the Netherlands...I think he is closer to home!

JMO...of course!
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« Reply #1714 on: September 24, 2008, 05:24:14 AM »

So...what does Freddy know?


I think "Freddy" knows everything...what happened that night, what happened the 20 times before, who what where...

I am just not convinced that "Freddy" is Freddy Arambatzis anymore!





Freddy knows everything.  He's the one with the camera.  He is definitely not an Arambatzis.  I think he's a Zedan-Martina, and so is his sister, Natasha.


He is Freddy Martina and I said it since the begining. The only person capable to do that is Freddy Martina since he did it before where there was a porn movie circling on the Web and he is the one that did it.

He is the one that will process the DVD and sell it.

He was arrested and I know him.

Will get to the bottom of this.



Thanks Caps...It would save some of us a whole lot of time if you can...

Questions....LOL...a few for starters...

How many Arambatzis were in Aruba in May 2005?

How many Zedans were in Aruba in 2005?

Are the pics we keep seeing of Freddy Zedan/Arambatzis/Arends really who they say they are ie Freddy Arambatzis/Zedan/Arends?

Who lived at Montanja 62 from 2005 till 2008?

Who lived at Montanja 39F and G in 2005?

Where is Freddy Martina now?

Thanks in Advance Caps!
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« Reply #1715 on: September 24, 2008, 09:16:56 AM »

Who is Freddy Martina?   I have asked that before.  I know about Karen Martina...I think we have names confused here.  Fredday Zedan is the Freddy of choice for Joran's friend and confidant.  Even Joran admits that one.   I would like to see all the info on this Martina guy that does the porn movies.  Somehow I have missed this budding film maker all this time. 
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« Reply #1716 on: September 24, 2008, 09:35:05 AM »

Caps
I have seen so many references when digging for info that leads back to Florida.  Have you ever heard of any Florida connections or found any in your searching?  I have found many, especially in Ft. Lauderdale.  I can't figure that out.  Nothing much in Ft. Lauderdale, but I have found lots in the Miami area.
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« Reply #1717 on: September 24, 2008, 10:03:58 AM »

Who is Freddy Martina?   I have asked that before.  I know about Karen Martina...I think we have names confused here.  Fredday Zedan is the Freddy of choice for Joran's friend and confidant.  Even Joran admits that one.   I would like to see all the info on this Martina guy that does the porn movies.  Somehow I have missed this budding film maker all this time. 


Lala's here for Freddy Martina

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.120


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« Reply #1718 on: September 24, 2008, 10:52:55 AM »

Is this the Freddy you are talking about?  I am beginning to remember now.  I thought we had decided that was Freddy Zedan?  Hmmm.  Something is not right here on this Freddy guy.


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Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Rodriquez and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 
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« Reply #1719 on: September 24, 2008, 10:56:24 AM »

I think Mum and I chased this guy around for days and never made any connections.  Guess I didn't look close enough.  Need more proof before I will discount Joran's Freddy since he is the one Merian points to.  Will look around again.



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« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2008, 04:57:38 AM »

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

go to take some zzzz.
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