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« Reply #1720 on: September 24, 2008, 10:59:33 AM »

Just reposting to make it easier to research so we don't have to keep referring to another thread.  Just ignore my housekeeping here for a bit.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2008, 05:27:21 AM »
   
Quote from: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 05:05:00 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

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[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2007, 04:09:04 PM
Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?




Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..
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« Reply #1721 on: September 24, 2008, 11:02:02 AM »

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« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2008, 05:38:41 AM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:28:28 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.


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« Reply #152 on: March 26, 2008, 05:56:57 AM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:49:48 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.



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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #154 on: March 26, 2008, 06:14:06 AM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:49:48 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol
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« Reply #1722 on: September 24, 2008, 11:52:20 AM »

Who does this sound like?

He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good.
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« Reply #1723 on: September 25, 2008, 04:09:02 AM »

Who does this sound like?

He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good.

my ex?  Wink

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« Reply #1724 on: September 25, 2008, 06:28:59 AM »

Finn   

Why did the girl owe money?

Because that is the very first story Joran old....
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« Reply #1725 on: September 25, 2008, 06:30:36 AM »

Finn   

Why did the girl owe money?

Because that is the very first story Joran told....

edit old to told....
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« Reply #1726 on: September 25, 2008, 07:05:12 AM »

Mary that was not a Virgin...Natalee

First story told...Natalee was a Lesbian...didn't want to go to the University of Alabama, she wanted to go elsewhere with her girlfriend???
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« Reply #1727 on: September 25, 2008, 07:42:28 AM »

Help Please...I can't find Shango's last post...I have looked in 4 FP threads and I don't see it at the time Finn gave back on Page 13...TIA
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« Reply #1728 on: September 25, 2008, 09:06:59 AM »

Just reposting to make it easier to research so we don't have to keep referring to another thread.  Just ignore my housekeeping here for a bit.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2008, 05:27:21 AM »
   
Quote from: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 05:05:00 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2007, 04:09:04 PM
Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?




Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..









Jossy must have had a man on the inside
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« Reply #1729 on: September 25, 2008, 09:07:58 AM »

can't confirm........
 


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« Reply #1730 on: September 25, 2008, 07:22:24 PM »

I found Karen Martina on Curacao a few months ago.  She is going by the name Paulina.  This is probably why Caps couldn't find her in the registry.  There are a bunch of Martinas there.  I think her father's name is Wilfred.  If Freddy Alexander Zedan has a paternal grandmother with the last name Martina, then he could be Freddy Alexander Zedan-Martina.  When he was arrested for the porn video, ALE could have intentional listed him as Freddy A. Martina so we wouldn't find out.
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« Reply #1731 on: September 25, 2008, 07:26:55 PM »

Mary that was not a Virgin...Natalee

First story told...Natalee was a Lesbian...didn't want to go to the University of Alabama, she wanted to go elsewhere with her girlfriend???



I interpreted Mary that was not a virgin as our dear friend JR.  We were told that she was also in the video that night.  As our friend told us - she wasn't holding the camera the entire time!!!
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« Reply #1732 on: September 26, 2008, 12:13:37 AM »

Help Please...I can't find Shango's last post...I have looked in 4 FP threads and I don't see it at the time Finn gave back on Page 13...TIA

I'll look for it ... which post/what time?

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« Reply #1733 on: September 26, 2008, 12:27:29 AM »

Could LAMB be an acronym?
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« Reply #1734 on: September 26, 2008, 04:27:50 AM »

Help Please...I can't find Shango's last post...I have looked in 4 FP threads and I don't see it at the time Finn gave back on Page 13...TIA

I'll look for it ... which post/what time?




Thanks Finn...I found it...

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen

All has been seen from afar

and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son

I must leave to feed the messengers

The gods are talking

Good Night

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« Reply #1735 on: September 26, 2008, 06:49:33 AM »

Eyes in the Sky...Solely for Counter narcotics...

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf


Although the Consulate General nearly closed during the
mid-1990s, the U.S. presence has ramped up over the past
decade to provide a platform for multiple civilian and military
agencies, most of which are involved in the fight against
drug trafficking, illegal immigration, money laundering and
narco-terrorism. A glance at a map shows the strategic
importance of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba to South
American narcotics smuggling operations targeting the
United States and Europe.

The DHS Immigration/Customs and Border Protection
preclearance facility at Reina Beatrix Airport in Aruba
processes several thousand passengers a day on their way to
the United States. Arrests of foreign and American drug
mules is a common occurrence; many are detained for several
months prior to extradition to the United States.
DEA agents share information and provide technical
assistance to local law enforcement officials, especially in
Curaçao, St. Maarten and Aruba. This coordination has led
to numerous prosecutions and extraditions of drug traffickers
and other organized crime figures operating in the
region.

The Air Force forward operating locations provide aerial
detection and surveillance on the high seas. They differ from
military bases in that they exist solely to provide logistical
support to multinational counter-narcotics air operations.
Aircrews rotate in for a few weeks or months, minimizing
the U.S. military footprint in the region. U.S. aircraft transmit
information to Dutch and other nations’ coast guard
and navy vessels so they can intercept traffickers traveling on
high-speed motorboats carrying 500–800 kilos of cocaine or
heroin.
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« Reply #1736 on: September 26, 2008, 07:57:46 AM »

So, Big Brother is watching the Aruba coast?  I wonder if they have any information about activity around the fish trap.  There was speculation that it was a drug "post office".
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« Reply #1737 on: September 26, 2008, 08:31:01 AM »

So, Big Brother is watching the Aruba coast?  I wonder if they have any information about activity around the fish trap.  There was speculation that it was a drug "post office".


I bet they saw a whole lot...Electricity out on June 8th, IIRC...Was it around the Airport?  Radar was down for boats...Was the Airport Facility down as well????

Arrests the next day 

I wonder who Big Brother works with in Aruba to do their surveillance?
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« Reply #1738 on: September 26, 2008, 08:48:45 AM »

Just reposting to make it easier to research so we don't have to keep referring to another thread.  Just ignore my housekeeping here for a bit.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2008, 05:27:21 AM »
   
Quote from: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 05:05:00 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2007, 04:09:04 PM
Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?




Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..









Jossy must have had a man on the inside

So what date was Freddy arrested the first time...June 11th...One of the FP posters said that suspects were not normally questioned until the day after their arrest...didn't find that true with J2K though!

Also questioned June 16 and 17...Only way to make Freddy the 5th is to count Guido and put Freddy at 6/11 or discount Guido and put Lorenzo in on June 16th and Freddy on June 17th?
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« Reply #1739 on: September 26, 2008, 08:50:36 AM »

Could LAMB be an acronym?


Magnolia...Do you have something in mind? TIA
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