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« Reply #180 on: June 18, 2008, 06:45:04 PM »

say you were part of a cartel and needed a base to operate. You need an area that removes you from the locale. In a sense you are in one place and the cartel's base is located somewhere else. So, you have autonomy in the areas you live and have other legitimate businesses. Follow me so far?

now who lives on Aruba and in Florida? and who owns three islands?
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« Reply #181 on: June 19, 2008, 07:33:45 AM »

Rob if you are suggesting a "mansur" connection -- to include it's spokesman (Jossy) then you and I are on the same page...

I like Jossy for what he has tried to do -- but to me is is "Dirty Hand" because he has always been in a position to break this case wide open (but somehow falls short) -- including the latest "shoe" debate...

This entire thing is all about power and control.

It is not the first time that a Mansur has been connected to drugs and money laundering -- right?

and the political parties... the elections...

and the children on the elite -- what do they do for entertainment on such a small island with such a small population where the economy is run my the mob...????

Nat was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the cartels are involved and covered it up -- or thought they did, anyway...

PVDS was at that casino... The supreme court also placed him with two contacts direct with Nat... come on folks, do we need a road map here?  PVDS was more involved than what people might think and I still feel he was there... right there when "something bad happened" -- as were a lot of rich kids -- and maybe some rich dads as well ---

but the connections here are like a spider web --- tag one strand and the entire network ripples alerting the spider...

There is bad politics there and drug and money laundering cartels -- and all the bad and evil things that the mob can generate in an area that is volatile to national security... The crime bosses are playing both ends against the middle --- that is why bodies are washing ashore and why one body -- Nats is in never never land --

All it takes is one person -- maybe Melody? to have ethics, feelings, a conscience?

Jossy ? Well he is the reporter that could break this all open.  He knew and walked along side of Beticoe... He knows all houses and he works them all... but his family has a history and this makes his hands dirty cuz he could fix things if he really wants -- he is the 4th estate... he knows the rich, the poor and the faithful... he has the power of the pen... he only needs to let it fry those who need fried...

but, if it is his own cartel that is in trouble (remember, the cartels compete -- in a war against each other...) then his loyalties are splayed... he is torn... power depends on who controls what... then Nat is really nothing to him except his own conscience... He knows about the shoe... He knows about PVDS... the judges... Rudy...

And he has relatives who are part of the "younger" generation -- the kids... the friends of Joran and Oduber and Croes... it is all in the blood -- and blood is thicker than water...

the entire house of cards needs to be taken down...
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« Reply #182 on: June 19, 2008, 08:46:02 AM »

Good Afternoon …You forgot something Silverfox…the meeting in Washington between the Aruban delegates and  US officials! Why was the family not permitted to attend this meeting? Why was Jean Akers at Joran’s release festivities? Why does everything lead us back to Florida?

Why did Shango and Simian post? Why did some of these others posters, that we have found out about post?  Why when we follow these names and addresses around the internet do we keep coming to dead ends and garbage information. Why do some of these peeps only exist on the internet??? Why do some of us feel we are being watched? Are the Arubans really clever enough to put a cover-up of this magnitude together on their own?

Why are the Kalpoes and Joran so cocky? Where is all the money coming from to support Joran’s lifestyle and the Kalpoes court case?  Why has the court case in California not been dismissed?

JMO…Nobody in Aruba is going to talk. The house of cards in Aruba is not going to fall. We will never know the truth, though I hope and pray that Natalee’s family does or will.  There won’t be any books or movies exposing the corruption in Aruba concerning this case. I doubt that any of the original FBI documents will ever see the light of day. And sadly there will never be Justice for Natalee!







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« Reply #183 on: June 19, 2008, 11:19:16 AM »

Good Afternoon …You forgot something Silverfox…the meeting in Washington between the Aruban delegates and  US officials! Why was the family not permitted to attend this meeting? Why was Jean Akers at Joran’s release festivities? Why does everything lead us back to Florida?

Why did Shango and Simian post? Why did some of these others posters, that we have found out about post?  Why when we follow these names and addresses around the internet do we keep coming to dead ends and garbage information. Why do some of these peeps only exist on the internet??? Why do some of us feel we are being watched? Are the Arubans really clever enough to put a cover-up of this magnitude together on their own?

Why are the Kalpoes and Joran so cocky? Where is all the money coming from to support Joran’s lifestyle and the Kalpoes court case?  Why has the court case in California not been dismissed?

JMO…Nobody in Aruba is going to talk. The house of cards in Aruba is not going to fall. We will never know the truth, though I hope and pray that Natalee’s family does or will.  There won’t be any books or movies exposing the corruption in Aruba concerning this case. I doubt that any of the original FBI documents will ever see the light of day. And sadly there will never be Justice for Natalee!









Sorry, Mum.  I must respectfully disagree.  Many nasty, tangled webs such as this one have been untangled, and I believe this one will be as well.  If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be here. 

There will be Justice for Natalee, and the others who are missing.  I believe it's all related.  All my opinion.

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« Reply #184 on: June 19, 2008, 01:04:49 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...



maybe the Simian is in the news business? he scrutinizes media outlets.....but sings the praises of one......in Aruba
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« Reply #185 on: June 19, 2008, 01:35:05 PM »

Lala's

Natalee was taken to an "event"

It all makes sense...

All those names who were floated out there and interrogated were interrogated because they were in attendance at the "event" ... No other explanation really fits...  The reason J2K become the primaries is because they were the last ones seen with her by the general public -- but the insiders?  Well, That entire ordeal....

Remember, "too many people would be hurt if the truth comes out?" Remember that?  That is because too many people were in attendance and actually know what happened.... from the very beginning -- which is why this cover-up is so widespread... too many fingers in the pie, relatives, connections -- from the Oduber boy to the Dompig boy etc., etc....

The reason all of us are spinning around from name to name is because all of us were correct in one form or another -- all these guys were involved and the 'adults" -- the parents had to be the ones to cover it up -- or they all fall, child/parent, child/parent.... etc...etc....

This is MUCH BIGGER than we ever imagined....


I agree Silverfox…and they had 10 days to put it all in place….and this is why I think Joran is untouchable...mispelt names, mixed up names, initials, addresses, addresses that don’t exist, buildings that weren’t built, maybe even fake pictures and tickle sites….from Aruba to Florida…what a tangled web!!!

I was going to post this when I saw your post….Take some Tylenol Lala’s….remembering a post that Caps made a while back about Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis Arends….

Freddy Frederick Arends or Martina, guy in Kia on some sort of porn/video charges

AlexanderGottenbos

Zedan ? -still working on it?

ArambatzisErnesto

Arends Max or Frederick





The order that I have is as follows

Freddy Martina, guy in Kia on some sort of porn/video charges[/color]

Alexander Gottenbos

Zedan ?

Arambatzis Ernesto

Max Arends 
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« Reply #186 on: June 19, 2008, 01:51:24 PM »

LaLa's - So, does this mean that Freddy's real name is Freddy Martina? 
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« Reply #187 on: June 19, 2008, 02:13:47 PM »

Thanks Caps for your response....Zedan is still a question mark?

IIRC, 'Freddy' only started to use this name in late August. Maybe some of the veteran Monkeys can recall when! TIA
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« Reply #188 on: June 19, 2008, 02:19:12 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...



maybe the Simian is in the news business? he scrutinizes media outlets.....but sings the praises of one......in Aruba


Hi COLUMBO...nice to see you! So you don't think that Armin is Simian? Or do you think as I do that Simian and some other poster's were being 'fed' posts, via IM or email? TIA
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« Reply #189 on: June 19, 2008, 02:30:25 PM »

Lala's

Natalee was taken to an "event"

It all makes sense...

All those names who were floated out there and interrogated were interrogated because they were in attendance at the "event" ... No other explanation really fits...  The reason J2K become the primaries is because they were the last ones seen with her by the general public -- but the insiders?  Well, That entire ordeal....

Remember, "too many people would be hurt if the truth comes out?" Remember that?  That is because too many people were in attendance and actually know what happened.... from the very beginning -- which is why this cover-up is so widespread... too many fingers in the pie, relatives, connections -- from the Oduber boy to the Dompig boy etc., etc....

The reason all of us are spinning around from name to name is because all of us were correct in one form or another -- all these guys were involved and the 'adults" -- the parents had to be the ones to cover it up -- or they all fall, child/parent, child/parent.... etc...etc....

This is MUCH BIGGER than we ever imagined....


I agree Silverfox…and they had 10 days to put it all in place….and this is why I think Joran is untouchable...mispelt names, mixed up names, initials, addresses, addresses that don’t exist, buildings that weren’t built, maybe even fake pictures and tickle sites….from Aruba to Florida…what a tangled web!!!

I was going to post this when I saw your post….Take some Tylenol Lala’s….remembering a post that Caps made a while back about Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis Arends….

Freddy Frederick Arends or Martina, guy in Kia on some sort of porn/video charges

AlexanderGottenbos

Zedan ? -still working on it?

ArambatzisErnesto

Arends Max or Frederick





The order that I have is as follows

Freddy Martina, guy in Kia on some sort of porn/video charges[/color]

Alexander Gottenbos

Zedan ?

Arambatzis Ernesto

Max Arends 

Thanks my friend, take care. 
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« Reply #190 on: June 19, 2008, 02:39:51 PM »

LaLa's - So, does this mean that Freddy's real name is Freddy Martina? 

According to that beach tennis tournament that Joran and Freddy participated in last year or so...Freddy insisted they refer to him as Freddy Zedan.  In the PVs he is referred to as Zedan...even though the name Abrambatsiz was used by the media and ALE at one time.  Ernesto uses that last name and if Freddy was not a Zedan until he was told to stop using his brother/step-brother's name then there is a reason. Caps told Mum and myself there was no Zedans in Aruba.  Well that opened a whole new can of worms for us and we began digging.  Mum along with some our most intelligent monkeys have done really outstanding work tracking this stuff down.  They deserve kudos for all this work. My point is Ernesto is involved in all manner of shady dealings in Miami/North Bay Village.  Remember that place...North Bay Village?  That is the location of an address of Ernesto's as provided to us by Hotping that has since been found to not have been Ernesto's address but the future location of a set of expensive apartments.  As I understand it (please correct me monkeys if I have this wrong)  was not built when Ernesto used that address.  It's just more of the things that make you go hmmmmmm.
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« Reply #191 on: June 19, 2008, 02:59:19 PM »

The only Armatbatzis we have come up with in Aruba are Lilian Regina and Robby.  The only one in Venezuela is Robby, aged 51.

Only other connection to Venezuela is a Mayra Smalley – Arambatzis-Prada-Ribeiro, probably forgot a couple! She is tied to a Nicholas and Editha Arambatzis from Florida. She spent 12 or 25 years in Venezuela, depending on which article you read. She has a Greek father and a Dutch mother. Also has a son named Victor, 10 years old!

This is the only person I can connect to Ernesto as being his mother, from all the digging that has been done by the Monkeys on this. Ernesto is also associated with Nicholas and Editha and has a former address in Bradenton Fl.

This is the short version…heaps of stuff on this! Vms?…Hotping?
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« Reply #192 on: June 19, 2008, 03:02:49 PM »

The only Armatbatzis we have come up with in Aruba are Lilian Regina and Robby.  The only one in Venezuela is Robby, aged 51.

Only other connection to Venezuela is a Mayra Smalley – Arambatzis-Prada-Ribeiro, probably forgot a couple! She is tied to a Nicholas and Editha Arambatzis from Florida. She spent 12 or 25 years in Venezuela, depending on which article you read. She has a Greek father and a Dutch mother. Also has a son named Victor, 10 years old!

This is the only person I can connect to Ernesto as being his mother, from all the digging that has been done by the Monkeys on this. Ernesto is also associated with Nicholas and Editha and has a former address in Bradenton Fl.

This is the short version…heaps of stuff on this! Vms?…Hotping?



Oops!...Victor is 19...Here is the bio on Mayra and Victor.

http://letsmakeupwithmayra.com/Biographies.html


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« Reply #193 on: June 19, 2008, 03:11:42 PM »

It all leads back to the U.S. and Florida...I can't help but think this cartel stuff is all related to our Florida connections.  When was Paulus in Miami?  That is the big question to me...if he was there and he was there at a particular time...then we may be connecting some dots as to who in Florida helped Paulus in Aruba.
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« Reply #194 on: June 19, 2008, 03:19:55 PM »

Rob if you are suggesting a "mansur" connection -- to include it's spokesman (Jossy) then you and I are on the same page...

He's not the spokesman, but the president.

I like Jossy for what he has tried to do -- but to me is is "Dirty Hand" because he has always been in a position to break this case wide open (but somehow falls short) -- including the latest "shoe" debate...

I like what Jossy seems to have done also. But what has he really done? Translated some articles and buddied up with some posters... maybe to see what others are looking at??? Where is his expose` on the subject? and his paper investigates crime and drug trafficking. How could he NOT know what his brother was doing? answer - he knew - cause he must be part of it, but only much better insulated and smarter.

This entire thing is all about power and control.

This is totally right... it's not the Mansur's turn right now to be totally corrupt...the AVP is out of power. It's currently Oduber's time and Rudy's cronies to operate with impunity. The Mansurs had their run at the protected game. They want another shot - so silence it the order of the day.

It is not the first time that a Mansur has been connected to drugs and money laundering -- right?

Is there a Mansur not connected to illegal activities?

and the political parties... the elections...

They wait for their next turn when Eman or whoever gives them the control again. They're currently sitting ducks.

and the children on the elite -- what do they do for entertainment on such a small island with such a small population where the economy is run my the mob...????

They have their issues too. When your parents and their friends are not in power and you commit a crime - you go to jail as political pay back. When your group is in power you roll. This island is steeped in political power plays. That's why Oduber's paycheck does not matter to him... it's the POWER and the freebies and muscle that come with the job.

Nat was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the cartels are involved and covered it up -- or thought they did, anyway...

YES she was!! and yes they are. They have had to move to other areas under less scrutiny. They can't be happy.

PVDS was at that casino... The supreme court also placed him with two contacts direct with Nat... come on folks, do we need a road map here?  PVDS was more involved than what people might think and I still feel he was there... right there when "something bad happened" -- as were a lot of rich kids -- and maybe some rich dads as well ---

PVDS was in the casino and that is him on the video. No doubt. That alone should have had him in jail for life. He lied about his "contacts" with Natalee. Why lie if you have nothing to hide? He must have committed the crime of premeditated murder or he would not have been initially charged with that crime. That looks like the correct charge.

but the connections here are like a spider web --- tag one strand and the entire network ripples alerting the spider...

best analogy I have heard yet. Kudos to you SF. Good one.

There is bad politics there and drug and money laundering cartels -- and all the bad and evil things that the mob can generate in an area that is volatile to national security... The crime bosses are playing both ends against the middle --- that is why bodies are washing ashore and why one body -- Nats is in never never land --

what can I say to that - you're right!

All it takes is one person -- maybe Melody? to have ethics, feelings, a conscience?

you and I will be long dead before one decent person comes forward. It's sad that it's left up to internet posters to try to find anything / something. You know the FBI / DFI / NFI are not doing anything... or they would have already done it. And the fact that the corrupt investigation has not even been examined tells me that this is how they would like it to end. Aruba moves on and finds new tourists in 2010 (the five year plan) where no one remembers the crap they pulled. Remember there is always someone incredibly stoopid that will not research or take the time to find out about their destination. Aruba counts on that stupidity.

Jossy ? Well he is the reporter that could break this all open.  He knew and walked along side of Beticoe... He knows all houses and he works them all... but his family has a history and this makes his hands dirty cuz he could fix things if he really wants -- he is the 4th estate... he knows the rich, the poor and the faithful... he has the power of the pen... he only needs to let it fry those who need fried...

I would hope that with Jossy's health concerns, he has written it all down to be released upon his death. Otherwise, I doubt he will make known what he knows. He has held back too many aspects for me to believe he is going to all of a sudden tell all. He has had every opportunity to tell what he knows and remains silent. Let me ask you - has remaining silent helped Natalee (God Rest Her Soul)? All of those that have their secrets - has remaining silent and protecting the info helped? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.

but, if it is his own cartel that is in trouble (remember, the cartels compete -- in a war against each other...) then his loyalties are splayed... he is torn... power depends on who controls what... then Nat is really nothing to him except his own conscience... He knows about the shoe... He knows about PVDS... the judges... Rudy...

exposure is what all cartels fear most. They need to operate in the dark. Shining the light on the cartel makes your other legitimate businesses go up in smoke. No one wants to do legitimate business with seemingly corrupt people. I imagine he knows more than we do, but what - I can not tell, because I do not know what he knows.

And he has relatives who are part of the "younger" generation -- the kids... the friends of Joran and Oduber and Croes... it is all in the blood -- and blood is thicker than water...

Natalee is not their relative. She is an outsider and a threat even in death. Indians circle the wagons

the entire house of cards needs to be taken down...

the question is - HOW? and WHO?
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« Reply #195 on: June 19, 2008, 03:32:57 PM »

Anyone recall why Jossy was denied a visa and then I recall they issued one later for health reasons? he has family, a home and businesses in Florida and it seems strange that they would reject his visa application! Must have come and go plenty of times, what made this time different?

Great post Rob..
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« Reply #196 on: June 19, 2008, 03:41:46 PM »

At this point for the house of cards to fall someone will have to make the ultimate sacrifice and risk their life to tell what they know.  Hard to do when a natural instinct is survival. Survival of you and your family. Joran has a 'get out of jail free' card and he is using it every day. We can only hope there is an expiration date on it and it's coming soon. Until they no longer want to protect Joran this will never be solved.  Paulus has control and he doesn't seem to be worried about his own family's welfare.  That tells me he most likely doesn't have to because of what he knows. The Sloots are the cause of all Aruba's misery...they continue to tolerate it for reasons that baffle the mind.  In the grand scheme of drug cartels and such, the Sloots should be a liability not an asset.
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« Reply #197 on: June 19, 2008, 03:59:34 PM »

At this point for the house of cards to fall someone will have to make the ultimate sacrifice and risk their life to tell what they know.  Hard to do when a natural instinct is survival. Survival of you and your family. Joran has a 'get out of jail free' card and he is using it every day. We can only hope there is an expiration date on it and it's coming soon. Until they no longer want to protect Joran this will never be solved.  Paulus has control and he doesn't seem to be worried about his own family's welfare.  That tells me he most likely doesn't have to because of what he knows. The Sloots are the cause of all Aruba's misery...they continue to tolerate it for reasons that baffle the mind.  In the grand scheme of drug cartels and such, the Sloots should be a liability not an asset.


Right again, Lala's! Joran does what he does, because he can and he is untouchable...

Going back to Cap’s post…A combination of peeps that know what happened to Natalee – Freddy, the video guy, just not whom we thought.  Ernesto, he was there? Alexander, Gottenbos – which one, the elder or Koen or Sander. Arends, Max – is he related to Jossy?  And we are left with the mysterious Zedan….that was adopted by 'Freddy' in august 2005!

So who is Zedan...an American, Dutch or Aruban, Elder or a child of an elder, friend of Ernesto's, Max or the Gottenbos?
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« Reply #198 on: June 19, 2008, 11:50:01 PM »

That was reallly interesting Rob.
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« Reply #199 on: June 20, 2008, 04:27:15 AM »

Hi Finn...nice to see you...Do you recall anything about Paulus' trip to Florida, early in the case?

And do you recall anything about a poster anbennett?

Thanks in advance....
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