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« Reply #1820 on: October 03, 2008, 07:15:48 AM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA
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« Reply #1821 on: October 03, 2008, 10:07:56 AM »


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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7 Saturday Sep 27
The Hague, 27th of September 2008

Dear readers of Shango,

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, wish to communicate to you that in the middle of October coming, maybe for a week I will appear in a television program in Spain and talk by satellite to the Dutch Queen on the subject of human rights and general corruption in Aruba, in the public prosecuting agency there, and how Nathalee Holloway did not receive justice by the Aruba police system. The program will also be translated in English.

With kindest personal regards,

Carlos Severino Tromp

www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com
www.arubainjustice.com
www.onrecht.com

You Tube: carlos13tromp & tromp13carlos

If you still want to know more:
Google: Carlos Severino Tromp 
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« Reply #1822 on: October 03, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.
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« Reply #1823 on: October 03, 2008, 04:09:18 PM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.


LOL...Rob...I am not the one that needs convincing!

Just wondering what and how COLUMBO sees differently?
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« Reply #1824 on: October 03, 2008, 06:34:11 PM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.


LOL...Rob...I am not the one that needs convincing!

Just wondering what and how COLUMBO sees differently?


to be honest I've not paid the others much attention......but if you tell me that it's true and that its based on a shared IP address or email address, I probably would need more convincing......so I assume that Rob has something more?
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« Reply #1825 on: October 03, 2008, 08:21:26 PM »

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera



Unless Shango himself provided this key it can not be used as fact...possible or probable suggestions is all you can assume here.



so Indians and Arawaks are the same?

we have forbidden fruit, sin, and a guy with a key, so, naturally Eden is.....truth?

I said not all translations and keys are correct.  Many words...many meanings. LOL
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« Reply #1826 on: October 03, 2008, 08:28:11 PM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.


LOL...Rob...I am not the one that needs convincing!

Just wondering what and how COLUMBO sees differently?


to be honest I've not paid the others much attention......but if you tell me that it's true and that its based on a shared IP address or email address, I probably would need more convincing......so I assume that Rob has something more?

Armin Solognier as Simian/Merian has been settled for some time in this thread.  We had some very astute monkeys that found this to be true...in fact...as I asked the other day....not even a confession would convince you...I meant not even if Armin admitted it would you be convinced?  There is no debate as to Simian's identity any longer with me...but there are others that don't believe.  Once Simian's identity was verified it was easy to see how his posts fit the known facts...made it much easier to move on.
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« Reply #1827 on: October 03, 2008, 08:29:14 PM »

I would really like to know who Checkme is.   
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« Reply #1828 on: October 03, 2008, 08:42:56 PM »

I would really like to know who Checkme is.   


ally is still searching......
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« Reply #1829 on: October 03, 2008, 08:52:07 PM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.


LOL...Rob...I am not the one that needs convincing!

Just wondering what and how COLUMBO sees differently?


to be honest I've not paid the others much attention......but if you tell me that it's true and that its based on a shared IP address or email address, I probably would need more convincing......so I assume that Rob has something more?

Armin Solognier as Simian/Merian has been settled for some time in this thread.  We had some very astute monkeys that found this to be true...in fact...as I asked the other day....not even a confession would convince you...I meant not even if Armin admitted it would you be convinced?  There is no debate as to Simian's identity any longer with me...but there are others that don't believe.  Once Simian's identity was verified it was easy to see how his posts fit the known facts...made it much easier to move on.


and my response was to the effect that you were able to quote me in posts that you made
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« Reply #1830 on: October 04, 2008, 01:53:48 AM »


Armin Solognier as Simian/Merian has been settled for some time in this thread.  We had some very astute monkeys that found this to be true...in fact...as I asked the other day....not even a confession would convince you...I meant not even if Armin admitted it would you be convinced?  There is no debate as to Simian's identity any longer with me...but there are others that don't believe.  Once Simian's identity was verified it was easy to see how his posts fit the known facts...made it much easier to move on.

re the "latest" verification:
was the motivation/agenda shared as well?

and what happened to the Gabe/Jairo angle?

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« Reply #1831 on: October 04, 2008, 09:37:59 AM »

Shango and Simian can not be interpreted unless it is in context of what is being said.  I give up trying to get that point across.  Neither of them were posting just to see themselves write something.  They were trying to communicate among the posters that were there at the time.  Both knew certain ones of the posters and each other.  It's all about context. 



Yes, Lala's - context is everything.
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« Reply #1832 on: October 04, 2008, 09:40:20 AM »

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« Reply #1833 on: October 04, 2008, 09:42:33 AM »

Interesting reading in the archives...Up intil 6/11 on the FP the car was referred to as Joran's...fast forward to the RBN's of 6/13 and it belongs to the older Kalpoe brother?

Per Amy Kappel, whom Red featured a lot on the FP early, none of the Kalpoes family ever owned a car rental business!

Seems some-one was confused.

COLUMBO...Do you think Merian and Simian were the same person posting? TIA

not COLUMBO, but it is a fact that Merian and Simian are the same person. FACT. I know this to be one hundred percent true.

And simian is Armin. Fact. Peroid.


LOL...Rob...I am not the one that needs convincing!

Just wondering what and how COLUMBO sees differently?


to be honest I've not paid the others much attention......but if you tell me that it's true and that its based on a shared IP address or email address, I probably would need more convincing......so I assume that Rob has something more?

Armin Solognier as Simian/Merian has been settled for some time in this thread.  We had some very astute monkeys that found this to be true...in fact...as I asked the other day....not even a confession would convince you...I meant not even if Armin admitted it would you be convinced?  There is no debate as to Simian's identity any longer with me...but there are others that don't believe.  Once Simian's identity was verified it was easy to see how his posts fit the known facts...made it much easier to move on.




Simian = Armin Solognier
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« Reply #1834 on: October 04, 2008, 09:44:40 AM »

I would really like to know who Checkme is.   


ally is still searching......



I have wondered if allyinmiami is Checkme.
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« Reply #1835 on: October 04, 2008, 09:48:36 AM »


Armin Solognier as Simian/Merian has been settled for some time in this thread.  We had some very astute monkeys that found this to be true...in fact...as I asked the other day....not even a confession would convince you...I meant not even if Armin admitted it would you be convinced?  There is no debate as to Simian's identity any longer with me...but there are others that don't believe.  Once Simian's identity was verified it was easy to see how his posts fit the known facts...made it much easier to move on.

re the "latest" verification:
was the motivation/agenda shared as well?

and what happened to the Gabe/Jairo angle?



I didn't say anything about Shango...just Simian.   The Gabe angle was not mine.  I just follow the clues where they lead me from day to day.  Personally, I don't doubt that Gabe knew something...he was a Universal Air employee.  Whether he was Shango I highly doubt given what I now know as compared to what was known in the beginning. I have always said that both Simian and Shango had multiple personalities of sorts.  That means several people helped with the postings. Which could include all our favorite people. 
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« Reply #1836 on: October 04, 2008, 09:51:04 AM »

I would really like to know who Checkme is.   


ally is still searching......



I have wondered if allyinmiami is Checkme.

Nope...not Checkme. Ally was not on Aruba...but she lived in Miami.
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« Reply #1837 on: October 04, 2008, 09:57:56 AM »

I would really like to know who Checkme is.   


ally is still searching......



 



I have wondered if allyinmiami is Checkme.

Nope...not Checkme. Ally was not on Aruba...but she lived in Miami.
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« Reply #1838 on: October 04, 2008, 01:06:31 PM »

Checkme…

Some posts from RWV…last one from the FP

Not Dutch…MO

Search on the 6th...Maybe IFA?


“I used to make models and knew a lot about military aircraft and their toys.” Male?

“There was a beach tennis tournament yesterday evening I had to attend to between the time of the blog outage”…..attend to…not attend


Dan,
The cops are now searching Joran's house...


Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 12:36 PM


The house is close to a elementary school and right now the kids need to be picked up by their parents... nobody can get close to area of the school/house.

Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 12:52 PM


The house is surrounded, school children are being picked up by their parents...

Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:07 PM

 
Mrs Karin Jansen is leaving the house right now...
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:08 PM


They have the FBI agents and the dogs in the house
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:14 PM


There is one German shepherd used. Search is over.
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:20 PM


But the dog is Dutch, not FBI.
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:20 PM


they are digging in concrete at the house
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:21 PM


At this moment the police is searching the house of Joran
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 12:33 PM


I agree with Julia Renfro, editor in chief for Aruba today newpaper, Dutch are a minority in Aruba who are looked at very critically. Their presence is tolorated and respected up to a certain point. If any member of them misbehaves he/she will be hung out to dry, together with many other Dutch. Meddling of Holland in this case (as in other cases) will not be tolerated. Aruba is on it's own here. They are getting support, but on their call. Most Dutch here know each other, especially if they work in the same branch of society. But this will never influence any judicial process. There is too much at stake here. We do have a split between the government and the judicial system. Thank God.
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 12:46 PM


Could there be a family link between Bush and the parents? That is a rumor I have heard.
Posted by: Checkme | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 01:24 PM


Bon dia Dan,
No you did not thank me for the helicopter spot Saturday but there is so much flying over your head these days I am surprised at all you catched my words. But now I know what the strange protrusion from the right bottom part of the cockpit was. I hit myself on the forehead because I used to make models and knew a lot about military aircraft and their toys. Oh well, age... The ship at Malmok was it's platform.

Joran's family is extremely distraught as you can imagine. I have always loved Aruba for it's multi cultural society. Even to see how under extreme stress we can still see each others humanity gives me hope. On this island the distances are very short so you cannot remain distant and judge coldly. I think even all the reporters from the US here are experiencing this. Maybe that's whay CNN switched reporters? Was he getting to closely involved with the island and not reporting "coldly" anymore? His last report on the home coming queen must have done it.
Posted by: Checkme | Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 08:26 AM


Dan,
Btw, a Dutch Marine suggested to me, during a search on the 6th, that "better technology" may be used to find her. I felt he knew IR was going to be used soon. 3 days later the ship with heli was spotted in aruba waters. That means it was sent to AUA 3 to 5 days after NH went missing. Just for the timeline.

Posted by: Checkme | Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 08:35 AM
 

Checkme on June 24th, 2005 10:38 am
Hi Lucy,
You read me right again. I hope you have read my posts after also.
Good thing there was a beach tennis tournament yesterday evening I had to attend to between the time of the blog outage otherwise i would have gone crazy. Curious how we get so addicted to information sharing. Nothing ever happens on this island. I guess now I am catching up on the thirst I have had all along.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/23/evening-breaking-news-natalee-holloway/#comments




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« Reply #1839 on: October 04, 2008, 04:29:08 PM »


it's been implied that Armin "confessed"

my question, again, is:
was his motive/agenda shared?





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