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« Reply #1860 on: October 06, 2008, 11:39:20 AM »

Lala's...What have you got on Checkme! 


Shango...Knows the way things work on Aruba...Santeria...Knows Paulus...Good chance he has some sort of "Knowlege" of the case.

Motive...His Ego...Likes to insert himself into situations and be the center of attention!

Just for Starters...anyone Else? 



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« Reply #1861 on: October 06, 2008, 01:46:07 PM »

Checkme was a friend of Simian.  Knew Simian's goings and comings and was most often on the opposite side of what Simian posted...as well as Shango.  I wish I had all of Checkme's posts in one location.  Why haven't I thought of that before?  Oh man!  I don't have time to do it today...maybe never. 


Shout out to a mod!!  Is there an easier way to obtain all of Checkme's posts than going one by one through all the FP posts?  Help!!
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« Reply #1862 on: October 06, 2008, 02:31:28 PM »

@ Mum:
Vanessa, mother of Max.
 
   
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ARENDS-CROES, VANESSA YOLANDA
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« Reply #1863 on: October 06, 2008, 03:45:18 PM »

now I'm confused

I asked a couple days ago
if Armin had shared the reasoning
behind his sharing of info

ie: telling enough to draw interest
but not telling enough to accomplish anything

from the responses I rec'd
it appeared that there had not been
an actual confimation from Armin
(that he posted as simian)

but now it turns out that it was confirmed

back to my original questions:

it's been implied that Armin "confessed"

my question, again, is:
was his motive/agenda shared?

Who's agenda?  Simian's?  I am confused a little. Help me out. Thanks.

yes, simian's ...
since simian/Armin are the same person?

among other things, simian said:

a sexual motive did not figure into
Natalee's disappearance

ALE was competent/seeking truthful resolution

to successfully solve the case,
it would be necessary to ID the cool/crazy guy
and/or the 5th suspect w/ a false alibi

so ... did Armin's "admission"
include any elaboration as to why
he, as simian, chose to share the info above?

especially: why he was coy/not forthcoming
re the identity/identities of the cool/crazy guy and/or 5th suspect
while he was posting?

since that was a major component of his posts?

or did Armin's confimation simply consist of:
I posted using the nic simian.
period.
end of story.

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« Reply #1864 on: October 06, 2008, 06:55:42 PM »

Simian wrote more about the Kalpoes being innocent victims than anything else. So is Simian a Kalpoe friend or just telling the truth?  Then sometimes Simian uses 'code names' like Elder and Hindu, then other posts uses actual names (like Kalpoe, Joran, father...).


Simian Says: June 23th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story
.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
The Kalpoes have nothing to spill. They don’t know what the father did. Only Joran knows why he called his Dad in the middle of the night.   

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm
I can confirm they are there. The 3 of them. Remember the Kalpoes know nothing they were informed around the pool deck by Joran. Based on my knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour specialists

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
…the boys met around the pool in Montaña.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Only one piece is missing. Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do. The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut. The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. They thought they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened. The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.


Based on the above posts it appears that Paulus IS the ELDER and NOT the fallen judge...

---The father was not there, but he knew what to do.
---The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened.
---They don’t know what the father did. Only Joran knows why he called his Dad in the middle of the night.

  K2Joran -- "...YOU'RE OWN FATHER..."

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« Reply #1865 on: October 06, 2008, 07:21:46 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=484825;topic=3437.80;num_replies=158;sesc=e2034749a6edef70c56c7bcb4aad4eac

Hey Mum - had to bring this one over from the main NH thread:

SS...Do you know if the 2.26 Phone call is the one to Deepak for 8 minutes...the one asking for the ride home? TIA

Looking for the cell phone records?? Any idea where to find them? Again TIA

Mum, I found this.....

WorldJOURIER 8 MINUTE PHONE CALL

On 7-14 DILMA ARENDS reported that evidence in the form of cellular phone tracking records of Principal Suspect J. SLOOT pinpoint that he did make a 4:00 AM cellular phone call.  ARENDS also alluded that the forensics may have pinpointed precisely from where Principal Suspect J. SLOOT placed the cellular call from.  ARENDS also said that at 4:00 AM Current Suspect D. KALPOE was home but after receiving the cellular phone call from Principal Suspect J. SLOOT, he left his home and then went to the "Marriott Hotel" location.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

Thanks Pita...all I have right now are some from Joran's book. I am not sure if they were ever released or not...

This tells me that Joran was not home on the computer at 4AM.

So it was Deepak who went back to help Joran while Satish rested-interesting...No wonder we haven't heard a peep from him in all these years.

So Deepak went to the Marriott - for what? So Paulus could park his car there blended in with the rest of the cars, then get into Deepaks noisy car to take care of the 'situation'? Or did Deepak park there and hop into Paulus' car? 


Merian 7/14/05 11:48 pm
Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish. The thing is that it came back to haunt you. Little altars built into their rooms. Only one rested, while the other one went to the aid of the foul mouthed one. Bite your tongue off now. The elder is half the man he used to be. Dragging his feet on the lonely streets.
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« Reply #1866 on: October 06, 2008, 07:37:01 PM »

Simian wrote more about the Kalpoes being innocent victims than anything else. So is Simian a Kalpoe friend or just telling the truth?  Then sometimes Simian uses 'code names' like Elder and Hindu, then other posts uses actual names (like Kalpoe, Joran, father...).


Simian Says: June 23th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story
.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
The Kalpoes have nothing to spill. They don’t know what the father did. Only Joran knows why he called his Dad in the middle of the night.   

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm
I can confirm they are there. The 3 of them. Remember the Kalpoes know nothing they were informed around the pool deck by Joran. Based on my knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour specialists

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
…the boys met around the pool in Montaña.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Only one piece is missing. Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do. The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut. The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. They thought they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened. The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.


Based on the above posts it appears that Paulus IS the ELDER and NOT the fallen judge...

---The father was not there, but he knew what to do.
---The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened.
---They don’t know what the father did. Only Joran knows why he called his Dad in the middle of the night.

  K2Joran -- "...YOU'RE OWN FATHER..."





unless being "a judge" was a part of "the catch hand" (see Atlanta vs Pipkins)

how many Shango verses included DirtyHand + elder

i.e.
DirtyHand knows
so does the elder
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« Reply #1867 on: October 06, 2008, 07:49:18 PM »

sorry: U.S. vs Pipkins

elders of the game not just of babylon (Arawak!) walk in older circles

he has a history of making himself something he's not (arawak?)


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« Reply #1868 on: October 06, 2008, 08:49:20 PM »

sorry: U.S. vs Pipkins

elders of the game not just of babylon (Arawak!) walk in older circles

he has a history of making himself something he's not (arawak?)


C - I knew what you meant.

I looked up what you meant about DirtyHand and elder appearing together in Shango's posts - very interesting!

Then I found the many posts that contain both 'Lordship' and DirtyHand!

What are your thoughts that perhaps the "KEY" is not something that opens a physical door, but a person? An well known person who left broken but anonymous, and went back to Babylon (the Hague?) The KEY is our one and only DirtyHand and his testimony of what he saw that night and how the alibi can be broken. The key that will crack the case wide open - and DirtyHand is the "rotton package from the Hague" who is just 'screaming to be heard'. 


- DirtyHand is the key.
- DirtyHand is the 'Rotton Package' (POS) from the Hague.
- Both Elder and DirtyHand know the lamb is a scapegoat.
- DirtyHand knows the Babylonians (plural) that provided escort AFTER the Kalpoes left.
- DirtyHands' power is that the elders' children fled to Babylon (babylon=netherlands?)
- DirtyHand is the key.
- DirtyHand stays hidden.
- DirtyHand was discovered by the Gods of Cowboys knowing there was a game in the great house
- If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall (but gods saw DirtyHand and did nothing??)
- DirtyHand is consort to all except for the gods.
- DirtyHand walks (present tense) with the elders.
- DirtyHand walks (present tense) in all houses.
- DirtyHand walked (past tense) with the fallen elder.
- DirtyHand was a consort to the fallen elder
- DirtyHand knows the sacrifice is not responsible.
- DirtyHand is afraid to rave.
- DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time.
- DirtyHand walks in many circles.
- DirtyHand has entered the maze.
- DirtyHand has walked through the maze.
- DirtyHand does not play with the lions.
- Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand.
- DirtyHand scared arawaks.
- DirtyHand scares babylonians
- if Arawak DirtyHand is revealed, foundations of house of babylon will shake even harder. (so this is the other one?)
- If Dirtyhand is discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house.
- Babylonians are to blame for bringing DirtyHand into the Tribe.
- If DirtyHand sings, sacrifice will still be eaten.
- You still have Dirtyhand even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak.
- DirtyHand is in hiding.
- There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries.
- DirtyHand is well known.
- All fear DirtyHand.
- DirtyHand is alive and well.
- Dirtyhand is not an Arawak
- DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. (is the fallen judge is the block and hammer who is owned by someone?)
- Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12 (somebody in the police).
- DirtyHand is the key.

Posts about 'KEY':

WHY WASN'T DIRTYHAND FROM THE BABYLONS PALACE NOT BROUGHT OUT IN THE PUBLIC?
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ? They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

DIRTYHAND STAYS HIDDEN. HE NEVER EXISTED. THIS DOOR TO THE TRUTH NEVER EXISTED.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key. the door never existed. Eden is distant.

LORDSHIP DIDN'T BRING DIRTYHAND. DIRTYHAND LEFT BEFORE THE POSSE ARRIVED.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks. So it will remain “cowboys and indians” . The posse was too late.

DIRTYHAND DOES NOT EXIST (BUT HE IS ALIVE AND WELL...)
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The key does not exist. The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile. That is why the cowboys left the fort and a searching with the Indians.

DIRTYHAND DOES NOT EXIST. HE CAN BREAK THE ALIBI, BUT HIS TESTIMONY CANNOT BE USED TO OPEN EDENS DOOR.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory. The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon. The Arawaks keep the singing card. One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough. His lordships presence guarantees a trio. The key to edens door did not exist. The refrain has already begun.

LORDSHIP DOES NOT BRING DIRTYHAND. HE DOES NOT EXIST. AND NOW THERE IS ANOTHER DIRTY HAND? IS THIS THE ARAWAK DIRTYHAND? DIRTYHAND CANNOT COME OUT OF HIDING. HE IS THE KEY.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist. doors to eden remain closed. The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty. Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand. If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons. DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon. Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home ….without the loot

ARAWAKS AWAITED DIRTYHAND BUT HIS LORDSHIP SAID NO.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden. The arawaks awaited the key. his lordship said no. the door to eden remains closed. they are preparing the fire.


DIRTYHAND HOLDS THE REAL KEY - THE KEY THAT HE CAN BREAK THE ALIBI. BUT ARAWAKS FEAR HIS EXPOSURE OF BEING ON THEIR ISLAND.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon. He holds the real key. The Arawaks fear his exposure. The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks. DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless. He can break the alibi.

HIS LORDSHIP DOES NOT HAVE DIRTYHAND. ARUBA MUST FIND A WAY OUT OF THIS MESS WHILE KEEPING DIRTYHAND HIDDEN.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden. The answer lies with the Arawak Nation.

APPARENTLY DIRTYHAND WAS 'LEAVING' TO GO BACK TO 'BABYLON' ON 6/27/05
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed

IF DIRTYHAND OR HIS TESTIMONY OF BREAKING THE ALIBI DOESN'T ARRIVE 6/27/05 WE WILL NEVER GET AN ANSWER.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed I must feed the messengers.

Shango Says:June 27th , 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses. DirtyHand is the key. His reach is long. He walks in all circles. consort to all, except for the gods. He knows the sacrifice is not responsible

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
The dice throwers know the maze of the rave and the fly that entered the trap. DirtyHand is the key. He walks in many circles.

 
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« Reply #1869 on: October 06, 2008, 09:09:30 PM »

Poochy:

"You hold the key in your hand"
"Windows overlooking Babylon are being opened by threadsurfers"

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« Reply #1870 on: October 06, 2008, 09:13:27 PM »

re:
DirtyHand knows
so does the elder

Even if you (elder) play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you (elder) still have DirtyHand. (the hidden card that was played by PVDS)

what was the card game?

 The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.

(the cards were in jail)

elder of the game, not just of babylon (arawak)


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« Reply #1871 on: October 06, 2008, 09:21:53 PM »

Checkme was a friend of Simian.  Knew Simian's goings and comings and was most often on the opposite side of what Simian posted...as well as Shango.  I wish I had all of Checkme's posts in one location.  Why haven't I thought of that before?  Oh man!  I don't have time to do it today...maybe never. 


Shout out to a mod!!  Is there an easier way to obtain all of Checkme's posts than going one by one through all the FP posts?  Help!!

I'm not aware of an easier way.  I cannot even remember how Klaas said she pulled the Shango/Simian posts on the old board....not sure if it was a separate program, or what.  On my old job, I was able to pull data using statements, but I feel my hands are tied....wonder if Dugga has that power?  I'll see what I can find out....I've been away a few days and am behind in most threads.
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« Reply #1872 on: October 06, 2008, 09:28:21 PM »

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the note$
to the poison house                               (DirtyHand holds a key)
where the children of the babylonians     (knew it was dangerous......)
and the arawak nation                          (........to trade among the arawaks)
meet, under cover of delusion.      (DirtyHand is the link)
In the maze
the lions which play            (all the arawaks know the house.....)
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.     (.......all they knew was written down)
Tell the cowboys!
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« Reply #1873 on: October 06, 2008, 10:48:21 PM »

Checkme was a friend of Simian.  Knew Simian's goings and comings and was most often on the opposite side of what Simian posted...as well as Shango.  I wish I had all of Checkme's posts in one location.  Why haven't I thought of that before?  Oh man!  I don't have time to do it today...maybe never. 


Shout out to a mod!!  Is there an easier way to obtain all of Checkme's posts than going one by one through all the FP posts?  Help!!

I'm not aware of an easier way.  I cannot even remember how Klaas said she pulled the Shango/Simian posts on the old board....not sure if it was a separate program, or what.  On my old job, I was able to pull data using statements, but I feel my hands are tied....wonder if Dugga has that power?  I'll see what I can find out....I've been away a few days and am behind in most threads.

Klaas is working on pulling this info for you.  Since she moderates the FP, she has access to more functions.  I'm sure she'll post it when it's ready.
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« Reply #1874 on: October 07, 2008, 12:56:39 AM »

now I'm confused

I asked a couple days ago
if Armin had shared the reasoning
behind his sharing of info

ie: telling enough to draw interest
but not telling enough to accomplish anything

from the responses I rec'd
it appeared that there had not been
an actual confimation from Armin
(that he posted as simian)

but now it turns out that it was confirmed

back to my original questions:

it's been implied that Armin "confessed"

my question, again, is:
was his motive/agenda shared?

Who's agenda?  Simian's?  I am confused a little. Help me out. Thanks.

yes, simian's ...
since simian/Armin are the same person?

among other things, simian said:

a sexual motive did not figure into
Natalee's disappearance

ALE was competent/seeking truthful resolution

to successfully solve the case,
it would be necessary to ID the cool/crazy guy
and/or the 5th suspect w/ a false alibi

so ... did Armin's "admission"
include any elaboration as to why
he, as simian, chose to share the info above?

especially: why he was coy/not forthcoming
re the identity/identities of the cool/crazy guy and/or 5th suspect
while he was posting?

since that was a major component of his posts?

or did Armin's confimation simply consist of:
I posted using the nic simian.
period.
end of story.

?



Sorry, I misunderstood your question before.  I think both Mum and I answered it without knowing it at the time.  This is my opinion since I can't divulge the name of the person that is responsible for the admission...Simian was trying to shift the focus off his cousin Steve Croes.  Thus him bringing another person into the case and calling him the 5th suspect. Apparently, this person, which could be Paulus or any number of other people, according to Simian is the person that was responsible for what happened to Natalee.  As I have said before, Simian was not trying to implicate Joran or the Kalpoes.  This 5th suspect is the person Simian must have thought was responsible. Simian tells us that the alibi did not work for the Sloots...if that is the case then this 5th suspect was someone else. The 5th suspect waltzed away...you know I am fuss budget about the context of a conversation. As soon as Steve Croes made his stupid decision to insert himself into this mess Simian began his story of the 5th suspect. The 5th suspect had the alibi. Depending on how you count suspects it can be several people..but I truly think that Simian was trying to protect his own family member when he decided to leak info about the 5th.  This may not be what you wanted to hear, but I have no other explanation at this time.
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« Reply #1875 on: October 07, 2008, 12:59:10 AM »

Checkme was a friend of Simian.  Knew Simian's goings and comings and was most often on the opposite side of what Simian posted...as well as Shango.  I wish I had all of Checkme's posts in one location.  Why haven't I thought of that before?  Oh man!  I don't have time to do it today...maybe never. 


Shout out to a mod!!  Is there an easier way to obtain all of Checkme's posts than going one by one through all the FP posts?  Help!!

I'm not aware of an easier way.  I cannot even remember how Klaas said she pulled the Shango/Simian posts on the old board....not sure if it was a separate program, or what.  On my old job, I was able to pull data using statements, but I feel my hands are tied....wonder if Dugga has that power?  I'll see what I can find out....I've been away a few days and am behind in most threads.

Klaas is working on pulling this info for you.  Since she moderates the FP, she has access to more functions.  I'm sure she'll post it when it's ready.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!! 
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« Reply #1876 on: October 07, 2008, 04:11:19 AM »

Sorry, I misunderstood your question before.  I think both Mum and I answered it without knowing it at the time.  This is my opinion since I can't divulge the name of the person that is responsible for the admission...Simian was trying to shift the focus off his cousin Steve Croes.  Thus him bringing another person into the case and calling him the 5th suspect. Apparently, this person, which could be Paulus or any number of other people, according to Simian is the person that was responsible for what happened to Natalee.  As I have said before, Simian was not trying to implicate Joran or the Kalpoes.  This 5th suspect is the person Simian must have thought was responsible. Simian tells us that the alibi did not work for the Sloots...if that is the case then this 5th suspect was someone else. The 5th suspect waltzed away...you know I am fuss budget about the context of a conversation. As soon as Steve Croes made his stupid decision to insert himself into this mess Simian began his story of the 5th suspect. The 5th suspect had the alibi. Depending on how you count suspects it can be several people..but I truly think that Simian was trying to protect his own family member when he decided to leak info about the 5th.  This may not be what you wanted to hear, but I have no other explanation at this time.

not a matter of what I wanted to hear, LOL
as it is exactly what finbar and I thought ...

altho we had/have someone else in mind
(as simian)

same family tree/same motivation

still in the dark
as to whether this was confirmed by Armin
but I can see that I'll never get an answer to that, so ...

 Cool

anyway, thank you for responding

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« Reply #1877 on: October 07, 2008, 04:27:16 AM »

From the NAH Thread

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #771 « Reply #120 on: October 06, 2008, 02:09:43 PM » Quote  Frijole

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I agree that the Greta interview with Charles Croe was very strange.  Course this was before we knew how corrupt everyone is/was....

I remember thinking by his looks and his cryptic talk that he knew alot and that he had to be CIA or DEA.  Greta made sure we knew that the interview was heavily edited so as not to jeopardize the case.  REmember this is when we all still believed that anything said in the media would be excluded as evidence.  We thought Greta was being careful not to ruin the case.

I have many times shouted out for Greta to replay that entire interview so we could know what was said.  I think Joran said some incriminating things that night.  I think Croes was silenced by the Elders.

Good day all - back to work  here-


Re: Natalee Case Discussion #771
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2008, 02:53:12 PM »Magnolia

I think that CC is a fussy old maid who wants to be a big frog in a little pond.
He owes somebody a lot for getting him the phone deal from Mathews.
Ben King and Paulus come to mind.  I think they called in their favors when
Natalee was killed and CC doesn't know how to get out of the situation.
Remember when they threw him in the pokey for 8 days?  I think that was
a warning when he started to grow a conscience.  He is a weak man IMO.


   Simian on June 28th, 2005 3:10 am
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.


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« Reply #1878 on: October 07, 2008, 09:03:33 AM »

now I'm confused

I asked a couple days ago
if Armin had shared the reasoning
behind his sharing of info

ie: telling enough to draw interest
but not telling enough to accomplish anything

from the responses I rec'd
it appeared that there had not been
an actual confimation from Armin
(that he posted as simian)

but now it turns out that it was confirmed

back to my original questions:

it's been implied that Armin "confessed"

my question, again, is:
was his motive/agenda shared?

Who's agenda?  Simian's?  I am confused a little. Help me out. Thanks.

yes, simian's ...
since simian/Armin are the same person?

among other things, simian said:

a sexual motive did not figure into
Natalee's disappearance

ALE was competent/seeking truthful resolution

to successfully solve the case,
it would be necessary to ID the cool/crazy guy
and/or the 5th suspect w/ a false alibi

so ... did Armin's "admission"
include any elaboration as to why
he, as simian, chose to share the info above?

especially: why he was coy/not forthcoming
re the identity/identities of the cool/crazy guy and/or 5th suspect
while he was posting?

since that was a major component of his posts?

or did Armin's confimation simply consist of:
I posted using the nic simian.
period.
end of story.

?



Sorry, I misunderstood your question before.  I think both Mum and I answered it without knowing it at the time.  This is my opinion since I can't divulge the name of the person that is responsible for the admission...Simian was trying to shift the focus off his cousin Steve Croes.  Thus him bringing another person into the case and calling him the 5th suspect. Apparently, this person, which could be Paulus or any number of other people, according to Simian is the person that was responsible for what happened to Natalee.  As I have said before, Simian was not trying to implicate Joran or the Kalpoes.  This 5th suspect is the person Simian must have thought was responsible. Simian tells us that the alibi did not work for the Sloots...if that is the case then this 5th suspect was someone else. The 5th suspect waltzed away...you know I am fuss budget about the context of a conversation. As soon as Steve Croes made his stupid decision to insert himself into this mess Simian began his story of the 5th suspect. The 5th suspect had the alibi. Depending on how you count suspects it can be several people..but I truly think that Simian was trying to protect his own family member when he decided to leak info about the 5th.  This may not be what you wanted to hear, but I have no other explanation at this time.



Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s (1 card) song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays (card #2) in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?
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« Reply #1879 on: October 07, 2008, 11:20:52 AM »

Checkme was a friend of Simian.  Knew Simian's goings and comings and was most often on the opposite side of what Simian posted...as well as Shango.  I wish I had all of Checkme's posts in one location.  Why haven't I thought of that before?  Oh man!  I don't have time to do it today...maybe never. 


Shout out to a mod!!  Is there an easier way to obtain all of Checkme's posts than going one by one through all the FP posts?  Help!!





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