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« Reply #1920 on: October 10, 2008, 06:52:18 PM »

Read the Checkme posts...they are enlightening about Lorenzo and a few other things.  I always hint, but no one ever listens to me. LOL 

Quick read and out of context...

Sounds a lot like Simian...possibly cut from the same cloth!

Have never thought while reading Checkme's posts that "he" was a male...just the impression I got...now with dishes piled on the sink and reading the posts...I am more convinced than ever...Arlene?

I saw that I referred to Checkme as a "he", but I should have said he/she.  I agree with you. That also gives us so many choices as to who Checkme was. LOL



I don't know if he was male or female, but I did read the checkme thread the other day.  Checkme acted like a male and was hitting on allyinmiami.  Checkme spoke about how he/she had walked dates to their door after an evening.  He/she mentioned having several children and also having had a wild youth.  I initially thought that checkme was female, but by the end of the posts, I was convinced that he was male.  I could be wrong and checkme could have intentionally thrown us off.  Lala's - do you think that checkme is also our friend simian?
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« Reply #1921 on: October 10, 2008, 07:04:31 PM »

Operation Caribbean Corridor

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1190.msg176383#msg176383
 
Lively Case Discussion #635 6/5 - 6/6/2007 « Reply #692 on: June 06, 2007, 01:13:34 PM » 

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June 5, 2005, over two tons of cocaine seized.

Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.


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http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.


Agents were on Aruba the night of 5/29...

Big bust on 6/5...Obviously this was already in the works! Were the SGs arrested to take the spotlight off of this joint venture and not J2K...so the dots would not be connected?

Would the operation have been jeopardized on 6/5 if the 'eyes in the sky' had told what they really saw?

The reason Joran is as cocky as he is...The big picture...

How did he get on a FBI Watch List anyway?



Mum - about a month or so ago, our illusive friend was giving us information about the witness.  In one of his comments, he mentioned that there was some confusion about who had attended the porn party because there was also a drug bust going on.  Does anyone remember reading anything about an island drug bust the night that Natalee disappeared or was he possibly talking about the larger Caribbean Corridor drug bust that was about to take place?  I don't remember exactly where to find the post a month ago, but I think it was when we were first learning about Jossy's witness.
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« Reply #1922 on: October 10, 2008, 07:30:43 PM »

Mum - you have been asking about the work history of Paulass.  I found this in some of my files.  I'm not sure if the link is the correct one.  I hope this helps.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information.

Boxtel

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is here mostly known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Boxtel

Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. 

There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. 

Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. 

In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway,  the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people.  Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply.

Tilburg

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government.  It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three sons, were born.

New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance  „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser.  If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are.  I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. 

After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career.  He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. 

Judge

Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge.  With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years.  During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court.  Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.


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« Reply #1923 on: October 10, 2008, 07:37:34 PM »

I found some information about the Cuntrera family and Aruba.

Aruban Connections
Five members of the Aruban Mansur Family, viz. Mr. Elias F. Mansur, Mrs. Damia M. de Cuba-Mansur, Mr. Luis E. Mansur, Mr. Miguel J. Mansur and Mrs. Sarah E. Arends-Mansur, have raised objections against general references in the following chapter to the Mansurs or the Mansur family. In their opinion these references may be understood as including them and thereby implicating them in alleged wrongdoing they have never committed.
The author is of the opinion that such references to a large family will not be misunderstood as including each and every member of the family. However, in case this opinion should prove incorrect, the author points out that he regrets such misunderstanding and that he did not intend said references to implicate all members of the family.
The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank. The bank granted a credit to the Cuntrera company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien" for 1.8 million Aruban guilders (approximately one million dollars). Why the Cuntreras who own several investment companies in Venezuela needed the loan is unknown.
One could speculate, however, this was a 'loan-back' operation to launder money. An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. But there is no proof, no one ever looked really into the relations of the bank with the Sicilian mafiosi. The letter of credit was issued before the mafia connections of the clan became officially known on the island. This did not stop the bank from keeping the Cuntreras as clients. During Operation Wiseguy the undercover DEA agents were asked to wire money for a shipment of hashish on the account of Alfonso Cuntrera at the Interbank.
The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.
Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, "Diario". "When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government,"says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, "their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”."Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering "has become a political tool to discredit them”." (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family's mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias 'Don' Mansur is the family's whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman's first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)
More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba.
In Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Santa Lopesierra, the Marlboro Man. Every month Santa 're-invests' 20 million dollar "with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur”." (78) Lopesierra is accused to have financed his election with the proceeds of drug trafficking and a car-theft ring. He is also reputed to be the man behind the Puerto Rico indictment. The activities of Mansur and Lopesierra, however, go well beyond this. They are accused of illegally funding the presidential campaign of Colombian president Ernesto Samper in 1994. Not only did Samper allegedly receive 6 million dollars from the Cali Cartel – an accusation he vehemently denies and ascribes to political machinations – it is said he also pocketed US$ 500,000 in cash offered by "a group from Philip Morris and Interbank”." (79)
The 'Philip Morris people' are Alex and Eric Mansur and a member of the Lopesierra Family (Santa Lopesierra belongs to the Samper faction in the Liberal Party). Samper tried to ease out of meeting the group, the story goes. He suggested that one of his campaign officials should pick up the cash and bring them to the office later for coffee. "No one gives that kind of money just for coffee. That's worth at least a breakfast," the campaign official replied.
The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur's still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguaná peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira. A ferry connects Punto Fijo to Aruba. Some 20 years ago, in 1974, a few Sicilians set up a fishing company in Punto Fijo called "Mediterranea Pesca". Among the shareholders: Leonardo and Giuseppe Caruana and Giuseppe Cuffaro. The company owned a sea-going vessel and Italian police suspected that "in view of the background of the owners it is probably a cover for drug trafficking”." (80)
Maybe the Mansurs and the Cuntrera-Caruana clan first met each other in this remote part of the world. Nobody knows. (81) But they certainly have met on Aruba, according to several insiders and law enforcement officers. Venezuelan police-officer Guillermo Jiménez states: "I know they are connected. I have sent files about bank transactions between the Mansur's and the Cuntrera's to Aruba. But documents about the Mansur's are kept secret over there." DEA-officer David Lorino is equally convinced and has connected the Cuntreras with Ruben Mansur. In his judgement, "Ruben Mansur is a major-league dope-peddler”." The DEA has the toll-records of the Cuntrera phones in Caracas. "They phoned Mansur's trading company and his place. They certainly talked to each other." What they said, Lorino doesn't know, since it is not permitted to tap phones in Venezuela.

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« Reply #1924 on: October 10, 2008, 07:42:40 PM »

Hi SS...I will take a look for the post...I thought he mentioned a dirty FBI or was that DEA?

Have always thought something was going on and think it is weird that there is only a short blurb about the D'Mary which was a huge bust...Also the Mansur case dated back to 2005. Other activity in 2005 by ICE as well.

Williams was there on another matter according to what Private Eye was told and then we have an unidentified FBI? person, and from Joran's book an Embassy agent Smitt,sp?,...a US Customs lady at the jail??? Ms Akers at the van der Sloots!

Then we have Andres Meneses who could be related to Norwin Meneses from Costa Rica or who just liked to take pics of planes, both on the tarmac and in the air.

Joran was on a watch list...Daury Rodriguez?...An FBI protected witness...and lots of people inserting themselves into this case. Tommy Pooch for one, wasn't his buddy Chris supposed to be in the Witness Protection Program?

Then...We have all of COLOMBO'S 'eyes in the sky" "antenaes" and "birds on a wire"

Things that make you go Hmmmm!
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« Reply #1925 on: October 10, 2008, 07:47:13 PM »

Mum - you have been asking about the work history of Paulass.  I found this in some of my files.  I'm not sure if the link is the correct one.  I hope this helps.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information.

Boxtel

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is here mostly known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Boxtel

Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. 

There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. 

Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. 

In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway,  the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people.  Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply.

Tilburg

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government.  It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three sons, were born.

New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance  „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser.  If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are.  I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. 

After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career.  He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. 

Judge

Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge.  With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years.  During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court.  Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.


http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/vandersloothistory9.htm



LOL...Are you reading my mind...I logged on to ask Johan about Paulus "credentials".  that's the one that sounds like Anita could have written!
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« Reply #1926 on: October 10, 2008, 07:49:07 PM »

SS...from what Johan and I went over a while back and some old posts I found, 1991 doesn't add up! Plus Anita said 1990 in the interview she did defending Lorenzo they don't know!
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« Reply #1927 on: October 10, 2008, 07:51:39 PM »

Hi SS...I will take a look for the post...I thought he mentioned a dirty FBI or was that DEA?

Have always thought something was going on and think it is weird that there is only a short blurb about the D'Mary which was a huge bust...Also the Mansur case dated back to 2005. Other activity in 2005 by ICE as well.

Williams was there on another matter according to what Private Eye was told and then we have an unidentified FBI? person, and from Joran's book an Embassy agent Smitt,sp?,...a US Customs lady at the jail??? Ms Akers at the van der Sloots!

Then we have Andres Meneses who could be related to Norwin Meneses from Costa Rica or who just liked to take pics of planes, both on the tarmac and in the air.

Joran was on a watch list...Daury Rodriguez?...An FBI protected witness...and lots of people inserting themselves into this case. Tommy Pooch for one, wasn't his buddy Chris supposed to be in the Witness Protection Program?

Then...We have all of COLOMBO'S 'eyes in the sky" "antenaes" and "birds on a wire"

Things that make you go Hmmmm!



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« Reply #1928 on: October 10, 2008, 07:53:10 PM »

SS...from what Johan and I went over a while back and some old posts I found, 1991 doesn't add up! Plus Anita said 1990 in the interview she did defending Lorenzo they don't know!


the Lorenzo that drove a polis car....at least on one occasion???? wonder whether they caught him carrying the keys
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« Reply #1929 on: October 10, 2008, 07:58:02 PM »

Interesting post by AG...Nazi Murders????

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:57 am
Local, I’ve never heard anyone getting life here. I think Nazi murders and the like have gotten life. Of course, It’s 3 am, and my brain isn’t in its top condition.


1940's... and the ship Antilla... among others.

The Nazis used Aruba as a point between Germany and Argentina... and points in between.

They could not use Deutsch Marks to pay for fuel for their ships, so they used gold taken from the teeth of concentration victims.

The Antilla was scuttled off the coat of Aruba.

Nazis were on Aruba.

Thanks for the info, Rob.

Didn't know the Nazis were on Aruba.

So is that is where "Hitler's" sister came from? Hmmmm!
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« Reply #1930 on: October 10, 2008, 08:00:48 PM »

A Smugglers' Paradise

The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. ""Yes, we are involved with that bank"," says Croes. ""We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts"." (70)

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that "de facto" Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.

According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. ""At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino"," says a croupier. ""In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island"."

DEA agent David Lorino, the case-officer in Operation Wiseguy, claims that ""when the Cuntrera's moved to Venezuela they carried some 15 to 30 million dollars with them, which were invested in hotels in Caracas, but also on Curaçao and Aruba"." 71 The DEA had used the Miami-based Italian-born Venezuelan business man Raffaele Bellizzi to contact Pasquale Cuntrera. Before 1983 Bellizzi owned a shipping-company, but that year it went bankrupt because of the debt-crises in Venezuela. ""He told us that his ships transported narcotics and money from Caracas to Aruba and Europe","says Lorino. As mentioned before Canadian investigations show that the clan used Aruba as a trampoline for cocaine to North America. (72)

According to Lorino, ""the names Cuntrera and Caruana were well known on the island"." Now nobody on Aruba wants to know that these gentle and well mannered Sicilians ever existed. ""Oh, but a lot of people knew them then","says Bianca de Mey, who set up the company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien", which was the holding for a nightclub and pizzeria for the Cuntreras. The company now has nothing to do with them any more, she adds.

The Cuntrera's must have felt at home on Aruba. The island has been a smugglers' paradise, since colonial times, when it was used to evade the Spanish trade monopoly. Whatever disagreements Arubans may have – and they have a lot – this is something they readily admit. Even Prime Minister Eman acknowledges ""it is an island of smugglers ... For years Aruba was the most important coffee exporter, while there is no coffee-plant to be found on the island"." Aruba is also the biggest exporter of Philip Morris cigarettes and every imaginable kind of whisky. On Aruba it is all imported and exported according to the rules. What they do at the other side on the South American mainland is not the problem of the islanders. Legal trade or contraband, the difference is thin. ""A lot of families became very rich with this trade","says Eman.
http://riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html


Colombo - If the mansurs are part of the Cuntrera group and the Croes family is part of the Cuntrera group, why are the Manusrs and the Cores in opposition to each other?  Wouldn't they be on the same team?
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« Reply #1931 on: October 10, 2008, 08:02:07 PM »

Read the Checkme posts...they are enlightening about Lorenzo and a few other things.  I always hint, but no one ever listens to me. LOL 

Quick read and out of context...

Sounds a lot like Simian...possibly cut from the same cloth!

Have never thought while reading Checkme's posts that "he" was a male...just the impression I got...now with dishes piled on the sink and reading the posts...I am more convinced than ever...Arlene?

I saw that I referred to Checkme as a "he", but I should have said he/she.  I agree with you. That also gives us so many choices as to who Checkme was. LOL



I don't know if he was male or female, but I did read the checkme thread the other day.  Checkme acted like a male and was hitting on allyinmiami.  Checkme spoke about how he/she had walked dates to their door after an evening.  He/she mentioned having several children and also having had a wild youth.  I initially thought that checkme was female, but by the end of the posts, I was convinced that he was male.  I could be wrong and checkme could have intentionally thrown us off.  Lala's - do you think that checkme is also our friend simian?

Not Lala's and would love to hear what she thinks on this, also Finn!

I have always had to remind myself that Checkme was male, and after reading all the posts the other day, I was sure Checkme was female.

 
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« Reply #1932 on: October 10, 2008, 08:06:40 PM »

SS...from what Johan and I went over a while back and some old posts I found, 1991 doesn't add up! Plus Anita said 1990 in the interview she did defending Lorenzo they don't know!


the Lorenzo that drove a polis car....at least on one occasion???? wonder whether they caught him carrying the keys

LOL COLOMBO,  I have read that there were 2 Lorenzo's, which is the one that drove the police car?

Please?....Thanks!
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« Reply #1933 on: October 10, 2008, 08:12:33 PM »

SS...from what Johan and I went over a while back and some old posts I found, 1991 doesn't add up! Plus Anita said 1990 in the interview she did defending Lorenzo they don't know!


the Lorenzo that drove a polis car....at least on one occasion???? wonder whether they caught him carrying the keys

LOL COLOMBO,  I have read that there were 2 Lorenzo's, which is the one that drove the police car?

Please?....Thanks!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/26/aruba-lorenzo-van-rijn-suspects-custody-extended-one-happy-drug-bust/#more-4392


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« Reply #1934 on: October 10, 2008, 08:12:47 PM »

I just found some interesting old posts.
http://riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

Lorenzo is the son of the deceased VW car dealer, seems to be very much related to drug use and possibly dealing. SGC, probably family name "Croes" (half of the island has that family name) is said to be "friends" with with JVDS. The 4th man is related to the Kalpoes.
Posted by: Checkme | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:09 PM

Lorenzo's dad is a member of the Aruban paramillitary, skilled at black ops, etc, during the unrest during the 1970s.
Posted by: Monty | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:32 PM

That must have been the Royal Marines then. They were the only ones trained for riot control at that time.
Posted by: Checkme | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:37 PM

I am a clerk at the station down here.. Steve Cruze's criminal file shows detailed history of assault/battery charges against women (and one unlawful touching) all of them dropped though with help of a clever Aruban lawyer, Barton Van Tripp. His family is very wealthy, owns the newspaper down here.. these three guys were 'runners' for Cruze so maybe that's why they aren't singing.
Posted by: Gill | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:55 PM

(I recently found some information that indicates the father of Steve Croes might be the owner of the newspaper on Curacao)

Steve Croes - has flight time with Air Aruba:
http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html
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A prior poster noted the island has many Croes - so this could simply be a relative. Also note that the prosecutor spokesperson's last name is, guess what - CROES. Isn't that interesting.
Posted by: paul | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 02:05 PM

The think nobody understands about Aruba is that there are no secrets here. Everybody knows everything.
Posted by: Checkme | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 02:10 PM

I did a search on Steve Croes and found his pic posted here http://216.55.182.166/emanonsc. Also found a Steve Croes listed as a pilot in Aruba. Also found a Steve Croes who had taken Emergency Medical Technician (EMT)training. He certainly seems to have some skills which could be useful to a person involved in such scenarios as I can imagine the three arrested were involved in regarding Natalee.
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« Reply #1935 on: October 10, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/25/aruba-why-arrest-lorenzo-van-rijn-now-is-there-a-greater-reason/#more-4387
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« Reply #1936 on: October 10, 2008, 08:15:55 PM »

A Smugglers' Paradise

The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. ""Yes, we are involved with that bank"," says Croes. ""We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts"." (70)

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that "de facto" Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.

According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. ""At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino"," says a croupier. ""In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island"."

DEA agent David Lorino, the case-officer in Operation Wiseguy, claims that ""when the Cuntrera's moved to Venezuela they carried some 15 to 30 million dollars with them, which were invested in hotels in Caracas, but also on Curaçao and Aruba"." 71 The DEA had used the Miami-based Italian-born Venezuelan business man Raffaele Bellizzi to contact Pasquale Cuntrera. Before 1983 Bellizzi owned a shipping-company, but that year it went bankrupt because of the debt-crises in Venezuela. ""He told us that his ships transported narcotics and money from Caracas to Aruba and Europe","says Lorino. As mentioned before Canadian investigations show that the clan used Aruba as a trampoline for cocaine to North America. (72)

According to Lorino, ""the names Cuntrera and Caruana were well known on the island"." Now nobody on Aruba wants to know that these gentle and well mannered Sicilians ever existed. ""Oh, but a lot of people knew them then","says Bianca de Mey, who set up the company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien", which was the holding for a nightclub and pizzeria for the Cuntreras. The company now has nothing to do with them any more, she adds.

The Cuntrera's must have felt at home on Aruba. The island has been a smugglers' paradise, since colonial times, when it was used to evade the Spanish trade monopoly. Whatever disagreements Arubans may have – and they have a lot – this is something they readily admit. Even Prime Minister Eman acknowledges ""it is an island of smugglers ... For years Aruba was the most important coffee exporter, while there is no coffee-plant to be found on the island"." Aruba is also the biggest exporter of Philip Morris cigarettes and every imaginable kind of whisky. On Aruba it is all imported and exported according to the rules. What they do at the other side on the South American mainland is not the problem of the islanders. Legal trade or contraband, the difference is thin. ""A lot of families became very rich with this trade","says Eman.
http://riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html


Colombo - If the mansurs are part of the Cuntrera group and the Croes family is part of the Cuntrera group, why are the Manusrs and the Cores in opposition to each other?  Wouldn't they be on the same team?


About your last 2 sentences to Colombo, perhaps I can answer:

Sumerians do NOT like Babylonian intrusion...that means less $profit for the Sumerians...
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« Reply #1937 on: October 10, 2008, 08:18:17 PM »

Hi SS...I will take a look for the post...I thought he mentioned a dirty FBI or was that DEA?

Have always thought something was going on and think it is weird that there is only a short blurb about the D'Mary which was a huge bust...Also the Mansur case dated back to 2005. Other activity in 2005 by ICE as well.

Williams was there on another matter according to what Private Eye was told and then we have an unidentified FBI? person, and from Joran's book an Embassy agent Smitt,sp?,...a US Customs lady at the jail??? Ms Akers at the van der Sloots!

Then we have Andres Meneses who could be related to Norwin Meneses from Costa Rica or who just liked to take pics of planes, both on the tarmac and in the air.

Joran was on a watch list...Daury Rodriguez?...An FBI protected witness...and lots of people inserting themselves into this case. Tommy Pooch for one, wasn't his buddy Chris supposed to be in the Witness Protection Program?

Then...We have all of COLOMBO'S 'eyes in the sky" "antenaes" and "birds on a wire"

Things that make you go Hmmmm!









I'm confused.    Is this Kermit's dinner or a picture of the FBI guy?
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« Reply #1938 on: October 10, 2008, 08:19:16 PM »

Hi SS...I will take a look for the post...I thought he mentioned a dirty FBI or was that DEA?

Have always thought something was going on and think it is weird that there is only a short blurb about the D'Mary which was a huge bust...Also the Mansur case dated back to 2005. Other activity in 2005 by ICE as well.

Williams was there on another matter according to what Private Eye was told and then we have an unidentified FBI? person, and from Joran's book an Embassy agent Smitt,sp?,...a US Customs lady at the jail??? Ms Akers at the van der Sloots!

Then we have Andres Meneses who could be related to Norwin Meneses from Costa Rica or who just liked to take pics of planes, both on the tarmac and in the air.

Joran was on a watch list...Daury Rodriguez?...An FBI protected witness...and lots of people inserting themselves into this case. Tommy Pooch for one, wasn't his buddy Chris supposed to be in the Witness Protection Program?

Then...We have all of COLOMBO'S 'eyes in the sky" "antenaes" and "birds on a wire"

Things that make you go Hmmmm!









I'm confused.    Is this Kermit's dinner or a picture of the FBI guy?


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« Reply #1939 on: October 10, 2008, 08:19:44 PM »

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