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« Reply #200 on: June 20, 2008, 04:58:11 AM »


this post is a clusterf***
but so was the summer of 2005

we were being fed BS by
uber creepy Arlene Schipper
Ruben rubberlegs Trappenberg
Tito didshenotaskforit Lacle
and ... that skank Julia Renfro

info was coming from numerous sources ...
and we each get to decide for ourselves
which sources were BS/which were honestly mistaken

Tito came off w/ Lorenzo Wever at SM
when he was asked about Lorenzo van Rijn
and then Guido Wever surfaced as well ...

the name thang on one shitty eiland
is like playing wheel of fortune

some reporters had trouble w/ exotic/foreign names:
there was one broadcast where Arambatzis
was pronounced on-air as Aaron Batsis

the name Arandashi/Arendashi posted below was another
(mis)interpretation of Arambatzis
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info was also circulated by phone
and (mis)hearing could result in (mis)information ...
which is why I still wonder if FA was heard as SA

SHOCKtheMONKEY Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 11:39 am
the boys are innocent. only witness. co and sa are key.

was sK's question re SA prompted by that?

or ... does co = colombia/sa = south america?
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why was the last name Arends associated
w/ Freddy at one time?

early FP posts (checkme or aia?) mentioned that
LvR/Maxito Arendsz were brothers ...
perhaps too many well-meaning cooks
were stirring the broth

but then there's the fact that Maxito's BFF,
Andry Lopez aka "grumpy", webmaster of the boostunit site
from the Aruba Speed Shop owned by Maxito Arendsz,
came to SM posting as Peeps ...
denying that he/Maxito knew Lorenzo ...
altho he did happen to bring us the LvR/van photo

a little while later, sandraK, while defending LvR ...
said that he "runs w/ Maxito Arendsz and Orlando Bello
from Aruba Speed Shop"

when confronted w/ the denial above from Peeps
and asked how she "knew" what she knew ...
she said (referring to Andry Lopez/Peeps):

WE PM  Wink
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was there a 4th arrest that friday/that weekend?

some of the detail sounds like it relates to NH
and some sounds like it relates to the
underage girl gang-bang video/previous date rapes

does Freddy-it-has-something-to-do-with-a-car
relate to NH or to the other cases?

DNA from the Sloot residence? WTF?

Natalee's uncle/Paul (quoted below) sounds confused
and I know I am
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the 6:14pm post below clearly shows that
he was listed in the Buki Di as
Freddy Arambatzis in august 2005
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Fri Aug 26, 2005

4:49 pm Sooz:
If Geraldo was right about the videos, then this could eventually lead to Mr. Pink and all that smut about internet videos, right?

4:55 pm sunmoonstars:
This press release came down from the prosecutors. This is the email from the prosecutor to MSNBC

They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before.
They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder.
Alternately, together with other people murdering somebody.
More alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences.
Even more alternately, raping somebody.

Aside from these suspicions against these two brothers, there are new suspicions which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest the Kalpoe brothers, there had to be new facts and circumstances, that is the case!

4:59 pm AZLady:
Who are the other two in custody, besides the Kalpoes? Freddy and someone else?

5:05 pm AZLady:
Arubagirl, were the Kalpoes and two others arrested? Or the Kalpoes and one other guy? I can't find accurate info.

5:06 pm klaasend:
No...only Freddy. Not sure if there's more, I'm thinking not.

5:06 pm sunmoonstars:
Catherine Crier Fri

Based on the same suspicions as before. There are new suspicions, or they couldn't re arrest the K brothers.

Art Wood: We have known for a long time that the LE have statements from these boys. They know where Natalee is.
 
Freddy Arandashi?? Uses the name Freddy Arends, he is a close friend and neighbor of Jorans.

5:07 pm arubagirl:
AZlady, on the radio said that four new arrests were made, but then I heard it was only three.

Anyway, I heard the name of one guy, but I don't know if it's right or not.

5:08 pm sunmoonstars:
AG: Art Wood is saying Freddy Arandashi?? also says he goes by Freddy Arends.

5:09 pm  arubagirl:
I think it's not Arends. I'll check it out on Monday.

5:10 pm DT:
The ex-girlfriend of Joran, Melody or whatever, is saying on RWV that the guy's name is Freddy Zedan.

5:12 pm sunmoonstars:
AG: They said a neighbor and friend of Jorans. Does that help?

5:14 pm arubagirl:
Well, if he is a neighbour and lives in the same neighbourhood (montanja), then I can check, hold on.

5:14 pm barbiegirl23:
This Freddy is listed as a doubles tennis partner of Joran in the Aruban paper of Sept 2004...

5:15 pm arubagirl:
There is an Arends that lives at Montanja... Check the other last names.

5:16 pm arubagirl:
No person named Zedan in the phone book, not that it means that he doesn't exist, just not in the phone book.

5:17 pm arubagirl:
Nor Arandashi / Arendashi.

5:17 pm klaasend:
I'm thinking it's Freddy Arends: Blue shirt on left - middle with cap on right.
 


5:19 pm arubagirl:
Yes that's who I thought it was as well. Why don't these things happen on a Friday? Now I have to wait a whole weekend to find out more. BLECH!

5:22 pm DT:
Jossy: We don't know that he was arrested in relation to this case, though he was questioned about it at the beginning. We have heard that he had alibi that said he was with Joran that night.

Dan Riehl said earlier that the Freddy guy is the same person who was staying at Joran's apartment that night.

5:22 pm whodunit:
Does HE  live at Aruba Racquet Club?

5:24 pm fluffy monkey:
Geraldo said that this guy was a fake alibi and faked that he stayed with Joran that night.

5:24 pm nancy drew:
http://www.aeromodelers.sr.org/david/am28sep04.pdf  28 sept 2004
B-Doubles team Freddy Zedan/Joran van der Sloot beat Peter Villevoix/Lex Burgman in a surprise sweep

5:25 pm arubagirl:
No, owner of the place told me the homes are only used as vacation homes by wealthy tourists.

5:26 pm fluffy monkey:
Wonder if "someone" has a key to one of them....

5:28 pm whodunit:
Hmmm...maybe it could at least explain what the boys were doing late that night (3am) near the ARC. Maybe meeting his tennis partner.......hmmmmm

5:32 pm odds on:
Who - For what it's worth, the AM Digitel article (link posted above)about the September 2004 tennis tounament that jvds and Freddy Z won took place at the Aruba Racquet Club. Coincidences abound.

5:42 pm HannieC:
if there is a 4th person arrested then i think it`s significant that nobody seems to know who that person is nor his initials or name...Makes me wonder who that is.....(and then i`m not thinking of Paulus). BTW...

5:44 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
Freddy Z.

Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.

The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning.

6:00 pm Port Valerie:
New Greta Wire emailed at 5:41 PM:

What has caught my attention most is the timeline we have pieced together. From Satish's lawyer the other night on the show, we learned that someone was on the Internet at the Kalpoe residence from 2 a.m. to 3 a.m. Why did that person get off the Internet at 3 a.m.? Note that 3 a.m. is the exact time that Joran van der Sloot's second call went to Deepak's cell phone (the first was 2:40 a.m.)

Stay tuned. We will have more tonight.

6:01 pm sunmoonstars:
Catherine Crier/Friday

Crier: Can you tell me anything about this Freddy?

Jossy: We hear 2 versions: The official press release that the prosecution put out did not mention him at all. People are under the impression that his arrest may be related to another case. He was arrested in the beginning with relation to this same case. There is no mention from the police in regards to this third man. Third man is a friend of them, partied with them, many pics with him. He was questioned in the beginning in regards to the Natalee case.

Crier: Do you have any info as to his whereabouts the night Natalee disappeared?

Jossy: I hear his alibi is that he was with Joran

6:02 pm WonderWoman:
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F

6:02 pm AZLady:
I found an ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ, ALBERT and LILIAN REGINA who live in MONTANJA.
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

6:07 pm klaasend:
So why is Bondia saying the last name starts with a Z ?

6:08 pm arubagirl:
I have no idea. I'm guessing that Bon Dia is checking back with the group.

6:09 pm Shell:
Maybe the stop at the other bar that was mentioned was to pick up Freddy? Just thinking

6:14 pm RobertJ:
BINGO! Directory listing: Arambatzis, Freddy. Aruba. I've got his e-mail and his TICKLE site too: Freddy Locoman Pimp

6:16 pm NativeLingo:
ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F

could be either Venezuelan or Colombian....only they use 2 last names here...

6:19 pm DT:
Jossy says: Freddy arrested on charges of taking and selling pictures of young naked girls. He was questioned initially in the NH case.

6:21 pm WidgetTheMidget:
Dont Be Surprised If What Happened To Natalee Was Recorded ........

6:21 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

6:25 pm DT:
Aruban attorney: I doubt that it is a coincidence this guy was arrested at the same time and lived near Joran.

6:28 pm DT:
Aruban Attorney: It is possible that the Kalpoes stated Joran sexually assaulted Natalee, and were still released.

6:31 pm NativeLingo:
DT, it wasn't a coincidence...

6:32 pm nancy drew:
They said it on Abrams...the part about Freddy knowing about the disposal of the body...

6:42 pm sandraK:
Freddy Cuz..Lissette' ...lives..in Usa.... her Mom maybe is... Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. his aunty?? or something?

6:43 pm tcumom:
Does anyone remember Geraldo's comments looooong time ago about porn stuff and pics? Think I'm remembering correctly.....just a comment.

6:45 pm DT:
Yeah I brought this up earlier, it would be insane if Geraldo turned out to be right. I can't think of one person who believed him when said this.

6:46 pm cancon:
indeed I remember it clear as day, what was puzzling that Geraldo never mentioned it again, not to my recollection, until perhaps today, maybe the Aruban LE contacted him and asked him to hush up? and for once one of Geraldo's wild statements could be coming true.........

6:51 pm writenow:
If Freddy has been brought in and Freddy, Joran & Jaime Carrasquilla were all best friends, is Jaime next to be arrested? BTW Satish is now calling himself the King of bling bling on his tickle site. Good grief. Maybe he's getting the bling bling from selling pics of naked girls.

7:17 pm friend of monkey:
but Vanderstraten does have a son jorans age? or not known?

7:18 pm HannieC:
I believe his youngest son is 24 and the oldest 33 or 34

7:31 pm sandrak:
Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. Aunty ??

7:33 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
WRITENOW said earlier that Jaime would be arrested! Are you part of the ALE or a clairvoyant of a Monkey PI. Who can spell his last name right?

7:37 pm sandrak:
Jaime Carrasquilla

7:38 pm the big hammer:
1. The 2:40am call is the link w/ video to k residence to download. Call may have linked to assault live? Depends on duration of call.

2. 3:10 am is the voice call to say: "something's wrong -- come get me."

3. From k2 residence, numerous 3rd parties could link in to view the 2:40am "show."

7:39 pm Shell:
Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

7:39 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
Good Try SANDRA K, but I have another spelling, but I have been wrong before. Rumors are strong that he will be picked up tomorrow.

7:43 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
The Rumor on Aruba was that four were arrested today, but the police confirmed only 3, possibly another tomorrow. We spoke to Jaime and he thinks it is about some pictures that were taken in April, but they were deleted after the girl asked them to. He said they weren't illicit, but she didn't like them. They have all continued a friendship relationship since and he is surprised that she would be complaining now. Jaime also lives in Montana. To make it clear, he didn't even know that anyone has made a complaint, but that is the only thing he could think anyone could complain about. Since then, the girl has remained friends with all of them - even been to family parties at Joran's house.

7:53 pm sandraK:
bondia, Anyone with..."SA"..... as Nic?

7:55 pm  writenow:
You're funny bondia. Monkey ALE PI clairvoyant. My new title. I posed it as a question not a fact.
 
You tell me -- are they going to arrest Jaime? he's tight with Freddy and Joran. Makes sense he's in this, too.

7:55 pm cancon:
well I thought he said 2:30 am, could the assault have taken place before 2:40 am, 2:30 am they just transmitted the video file at 2:40 am under a pretence which would mean real premeditation if they had already worked out their alibis in advance here........

you can tape and save a video file on those phones too, may not have been live........

7:56 pm bondia/Julia Renfro:
Hi SANDRAK

It was spelled out for us as Carasquia, but since he made his own tickle site, I will give him credit that he knows how to spell his own name, although...

As for SA - we would need more details.

8:00 pm sandrak:
Time will tell ....

8:13 pm crazybabyborg:
Jossy: Freddy provided an alibi for Joran

8:14 pm crazybabyborg:
Jossy: my info from our sources in the LE is that 3 girls came forward with statements of being date drugged and raped

8:15 pm writenow:
Oh, one more thing.

Jaime lives on the same street as the van der Sloots. Jaime Carrasquilla/Carrasquilla, Acuna Omar/Montanja 232

8:19 pm suz3nscar:
Sometimes I think Nancy Grace is nuts....just came back on the air with Elvis' Jailhouse Rock playing

8:21 pm san:
On NG lawyer stated Freddy won't be able to have a lawyer for several days

8:22 pm sooz:
NG says CNN is trying to confirm the arrest of a 4th suspect. Did I miss something?

8:22 pm fluffy monkey:
Freddie takes pictures for the Pimp Gang" says the guy on NG

8:24 pm sooz:
OMG!! NG is going to tick off the Arubans again. She looked straight at the camera and said "Attention Aruban police. Separate cells!"

8:27 pm onesillymonkey:
NG - Kalpoe bros. not being questioned right away. Letting them sit, being informed that they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for the seriousness of crimes they are accused of - this is a method to induce fear into them in order to get them to more easily talk when the interrogations begin. They are being careful not to try and force information out of them that can later be thrown out due to a forced confession.

Fourth suspect IS in connection with NH case.

8:32 pm pj:
No one knows anything about a fourth suspect being arrested. I think someone said maybe tomorrow.

9:03 pm san:
from tv for those w/o the channel: Freddy's involvment in the case is with a car.

9:05 pm I hear shango:
Helen Lejuez said Freddy....physical evidence regarding the car......

9:06 pm nancydrew:
Hannity and Colmes....

Helen: says this is considered a gang rape...Freddy was brought in due to the car (which car???) .

Paul Reynolds: First time he's heard the term "gang rape"

H/C: Is this a homicide?

Paul Reynolds: Joran said Deepak raped, murdered Natalee

Helen: 60 Days now for the boys brought in today. The prosecutor told her this has to do with murder and rape. She has more info not from the prosecutor, and it is quite secure.

9:08 pm arubagirl:
So much for the gang-rape being 'secret', which my source told me it was.

9:10 pm justinsmama:
Is that what you were going to reveal around the 4th? Or part of it, anyway?

9:10 DT:
Do you know anything more about this?

9:11 pm arubagirl:
no, this I heard today.

9:11 pm little miss:
Secret from who?

9:12 pm arubagirl:
No, nothing more, only about the gang-rape taking place.

9:13 pm DT:
Does this involve all of the boys, or just the three?

9:14 pm friend of monkey:
freddy lives behind jorans apartment...on FOX

9:14 pm arubagirl:
All of them.

9:16 pm nancydrew:
Hannity and Colmes. Reporter/Aruba... It's a "commission based crime." Freddy lives in the neighborhood.

9:20 pm I hear shango:
jossy said there are a total of 6 girls who have come forward....not including Natalee.....

9:22 pm sooz:
Hmmm, another vote for a 4th new suspect in jail today.

Hannity and Colmes transcript: Friday August 27

Helen: Him (Freddie A) and another detainee in jail right now. Freddie is a friend of Jorans and has something to do with the car. According to my (Helen’s) sources, he is part of the “gang” and what we are getting is that he is involved in the rape case and it has to do with the car. I have other news that I haven’t yet confirmed, another young man who hasn’t yet been brought before the judge.

Uncle: That is the first time I have heard that phrase used (gang rape) We have heard sexual assault.

9:26 pm candygirl:
Maybe its freddy's place they went back to? I sure hope the LE is doing a search there!

9:32 pm fluffymonkey:
Larry King Live, Friday August 26, 2005

Dave Holloway : We were concerned about September 4 date coming up but now it looks like Joran is probably not going to be let go. FBI called and told us about Kalpoe brothers and Freddy. Prosecutor is very confident.

Steve Holloway (uncle): Very happy they arrested K2, maybe we can find out a little more.

Harris Faulkner (Current Affair): Polis said FBI made a difference and gave them confidence. The polis were very involved and busy in keeping up with K2.
 
Cardoza: Young women have come forward saying K2 were involved in using date rape drugs Now police can turn up the heat even though it didn’t have to do with NH case.

9:38 pm I hear shango:
polis chief was not overhead saying how can i do this to my best friend's son....he was on national tv saying it...I saw it with my own eyes.

9:41 pm peaches:
Vinda just said they collected DNA from the VDS property.

9:51pm margaritaville:
CNN just mentioned the Tickle sites!!!

9:55 pm peaches:
Harris Faulkner just said they keyed into the boys from the start and got their cell phone #s from their Tickle sites. Called 'em up.

9:56 pm fluffymonkey:
Harris: Current Affair pulled info from TICKLE!!!!! Three guys described themselves as having healthy sex lives (Joran, particularly) Thinks it is relevant to look at lifestyle, says tickle is explicit, AND THE WAY CURRENT AFFAIR GOT IN TOUCH WITH JORAN THE FIRST TIME WAS FROM HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER ON TICKLE

10:01 pm friend of monkey:
early on a gang bang tape w/ joran and a 14 yr old was mentioned here..

10:03 pm kackylacky:
yes by Geraldo...............and we all scoffed.

10:28 pm crazybabyborg
Anyone know what the nature of the alibi was that Freddy supplied for Joran?

10:30 pm DT:
From what I understand, he said he stayed at Joran's apartment that night, which is something he and other friends often do. He claimed Joran got home at a certain time, and that he said he had met an American girl, but that nothing sexual had taken place.

10:41 pm sleddogs:
"At the beginning of the show they were talking about Freddy being linked somehow due to the car. Not sure which car...but, they referred to the info from the gardener... "

If I remember right a while back when they first brought the gardener in wasn't there a problem with him not being able to identify one of the K2's? Maybe that was because the other person in the car that night was later identified as Freddy.

10:42 pm kackylacky:
Jossy said on Abrams this afternoon, that freddy told ALE he was "with" joran that night...........and that was all that was said about it. The usual comments about that not being too smart was what followed.......no further detail. But I am thinking freddy may have tried to alibi joran for the time after the HI drop off.............which begs the question.........why did they arrest steve for giving deepak an alibi, but did not arrest freddy for doing the same for joran. Interesting.............
 
10:48 pm pj:
Yet Joran went to school bragging about having sex, am I right?

10:49 pm kackylacky:
when in fact, both of them could have been with her at joran's or at freddy's......................Vinda said tonight that DNA was collected at joran's........I didn't hear if she said what kind or much more than it was collected.

If, according to Helen, freddy is also attached to this case because of a car............could freddy have provided joran with transportation (remember the walk with only one shoe line) or moving the body?

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« Reply #201 on: June 20, 2008, 05:12:24 AM »

Finn...you are a gem!!!...Had it on my list to look for that aeromodeler's link this morning!!!!

That is where the name Zedan was found, after Melody's named him at RWV then input from SandraK and Bondia...and we have some beach tennis pics from 2004....beach tennis...Hmmmm...checkme...and used to make model aeroplanes....

Coincidence that Tommy Pooch and Ernesto Arambatzis were both in Aruba in May of 2005........

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« Reply #202 on: June 20, 2008, 05:48:32 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...



maybe the Simian is in the news business? he scrutinizes media outlets.....but sings the praises of one......in Aruba


Hi COLUMBO...nice to see you! So you don't think that Armin is Simian? Or do you think as I do that Simian and some other poster's were being 'fed' posts, via IM or email? TIA


"the man on the inside will call soon"

note: The Simian spends much of his time "confirming"

he anonymizes to protect "sources"
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« Reply #203 on: June 20, 2008, 10:10:13 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...



maybe the Simian is in the news business? he scrutinizes media outlets.....but sings the praises of one......in Aruba


Hi COLUMBO...nice to see you! So you don't think that Armin is Simian? Or do you think as I do that Simian and some other poster's were being 'fed' posts, via IM or email? TIA


"the man on the inside will call soon"

note: The Simian spends much of his time "confirming"

he anonymizes to protect "sources"


Phone…but who was calling? TIA

Lala’s…….


 


 
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« Reply #204 on: June 21, 2008, 09:35:18 AM »

I don't know if this is significant because I can't read Pap.  This is an obituary from a Curacao newspaper, dated December 14, 2006.  The name jumped out at me.

MARTINA
Crismo Cornelio
Mihó konosí komo Shonki
A laga atras su mayornan Felipe i Lucita Martina, kasá Eugenia Martina-Obispo, yunan Arlene i Oswin Martis, Sherneida i Rupert Minguel, Cedric Martina, Frederick Martina, Ericson Martina tur ku nan famia, rumannan Irma Hoyer, Cosme, Siegfried, Henry, Henky, Satulin, Donald, Idaline Martina, Mairis Martina i Franklyn Alexander. Akto di entiero ta djasabra 16 desèmber 4or for di El Señorial pa santana Sta. Rosa. Bishita 1or-3.30or. Promé ku entiero tin un respòns 3.30or na El Señorial.

http://laprensacur.com/content/node/5155
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« Reply #205 on: June 21, 2008, 10:02:51 AM »

I think CAPS told us that Freddy Martina's parents were Wilfred and Nubia.  I found this Curacao obituary from September 29, 2006.

VEERKAMP
Petrus Eduard (repentino)
Mihó konosí komo Piet
A laga atras su kasá Norma Veerkamp-Louisa, rumannan Johan Veerkamp i Cornelia Veerkamp-Pieternella, Wilhelmina Veerkamp, Gerardus Kirindongo, Swinda Kirindongo, Vilma Otto, Elina Kirindongo i Wilfred Martina, Elio tur ku nan yunan i famia. Akto di entiero ta djasabra 30 sèptèmber for di El Señorial pa santana Roodeweg. Bishita 1or, siguí pa un s.s. di misa 3.30or na El Señorial.

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« Reply #206 on: June 21, 2008, 10:15:50 AM »

I have no idea what this means, but the name Wilfred Martina is here again.


Sra. Isebia Seferina Molina-Winklaarmihó konosí komo Chichi di Tan

  añaSra. Isebia Seferina Molina-Winklaarmihó konosí komo Chichi di Tan Molinana nomber di su yunan: Vicenta (Nia) i Harold DammersAmbrosio (Broertje) i Marcela Molinanietunan: Gerard Dammers i Claudia Kingma (Hulanda), GeorgeDammers(Hulanda),Giovanni Dammers(Hulanda), Rhoda LisaMolina i Ingemar Martha (Kòrsou), Roderick Molina (Kòrsou) iIngemar MolinaBisanietunan: Dinzy Dammers, Fiona Ciciliarumannan: Pedro Winklaar i famia, Dorothea de Palm i famia(Kòrsou)Kuñanan i swa: Selma Winklaar, Kathryn St. Jago, Chepe dePalmSubrinanan: Leticia Mercelina i famia, Nonoi Chirino i famia,Bubuchi Thielman i famia (Kòrsou), Hose Winklaar i famia(Aruba), Bubu Winklaar i famia (Kòrsou), Gloria Maria i famia(Kòrsou), Egon Winklaar i famia (Kòrsou), Maritza Winklaar i famia(Kòrsou), Pablo Winklaar i famia, Maria Winklaar, Luis Winklaari famia, Felipe Winklaar i famia, Carlos Winklaar i famia, NildaWinklaar (Aruba), Carla Winklaar, Alfonso Winklaar i famia, IrenaWinklaar i famia, Buchi Winklaar i famia, Shorombo Jacobs ifamia (Aruba), Ireno (Yuchi) Jacobs i famia (Aruba), EliataWinklaar, Rudy Winklaar, Baby Winklaar, Wilfred Martina i famia(Aruba), Wilson Martina i famia (Kòrsou), Frenklin Winklaar(Kòrsou), Papi Grandviel i famia (Ulanda)amiga: Merce Molina i famia, prima-primunan, komader- ikompadernan, ihánan i demas amiga- i amigunan, Aura i DoeiFinies, Flora i George Klaassen, besiñanan, grupo di SagradoKurason.Demas famia i konosínan: Winklaar, Molina, Dammers,Hoek, Maria, Martina, Grandviel, de Palm, Chirino, Mercelina,Thielman, Martis, Nicolaas, Thomas, Goeloe, Soliana, Evertsz,Frans, Mercera, St. Jago, Wanga, Janga, Cicilia, Albertus, Piar,Pourier, Paulina, Diaz, Boezem i Semeleer.Akto di entiero ta tuma lugá djahuebs 10 di yanuari saliendofor di misa San Bernardo na Playa pa santana katóliko. Tarisibí bishita di kondolensia for di 2’or na misa. Promé kuentiero tin un santu sakrifisio di misa.Despues di entiero NO por risibi bishita di kondolensia nakas.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:vG3Vzr-Uk8EJ:www.extrabon.com/edishon/edishon2002/extra2002-01-08.pdf+%22wilfred+martina%22+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
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« Reply #207 on: June 21, 2008, 10:32:09 AM »

Could Karen be related to Freddy?  The nose is sure similar. 

MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times. Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1124801

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« Reply #208 on: June 21, 2008, 11:45:58 AM »

Could Karen be related to Freddy?  The nose is sure similar. 

MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times. Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1124801




Hi SS...IIRC Caps couldn't find Karen.  I will check on Caps post, but remember him naming 2 friends, one he said was Rodriguez and corrected to something like Dominguez...not sure on spelling of the last one, but am positive on the Rodriguez....LOL...  I don't recall the parents, except I think Caps said the Dad was an ex-cop! I will find the post and repost.

Thanks Buckeye, Pita and vms on the Freddy pic...no name...go figure!!!!
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« Reply #209 on: June 21, 2008, 12:42:24 PM »

Is this the post that you're looking for?



 Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2008, 04:57:38 AM » 

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Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 04:27:34 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 03:46:22 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 03:43:53 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 


correct the last name of Dominquez.



Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA


Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

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« Reply #210 on: June 21, 2008, 01:49:08 PM »

Thanks SS…This is the link to the discussion  about Freddie and Karen Martina! …I recall googling the dad, but don’t remember the mom’s name! Didn't get to follow up as the convo changed to the Judges' list Deutekom!...LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.120
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« Reply #211 on: June 21, 2008, 02:08:46 PM »

This is how she was listed in 2005 on the Chamber list…MARTINA-GONZALEZ NUBIA FELISA, HOOIBERG 94-F…I didn’t see her listed after that, but could have missed it!…Nah…sanitized…no records exist on the Registry!!! Guess I was imagining what I just read and typed!   


http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


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« Reply #212 on: June 21, 2008, 03:00:14 PM »

This is how she was listed in 2005 on the Chamber list…MARTINA-GONZALEZ NUBIA FELISA, HOOIBERG 94-F…I didn’t see her listed after that, but could have missed it!…Nah…sanitized…no records exist on the Registry!!! Guess I was imagining what I just read and typed!   


http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm







Just a thought....  could it be that Ernesto uses his mother's maiden name and he might have been born before she was ever married, Wilfred Martina is the biological father of Freddy, Nubia is a step-mother, Mrs. Arambatzis-Rodriguez Albert is Freddy's biological mother who has remarried and lives near the Sloots, and Gish (sp) is either a sister or step-sister.  Freddy could then be staying with his mother sometimes and his father other times?  Just a thought and I have absolutely no basis for this except trying to put the puzzle together.
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« Reply #213 on: June 21, 2008, 05:12:52 PM »

Texas Monkeys...Help!  How would Simian know about the Houston Chronicle?  Is it a big paper? I have never heard of it, heck I haven't heard of most here in Ohio! Just the really big ones, Columbus, Akron, Cleveland and the local ones!  TIA

Google? LOL  I have my thoughts as to how Simian would know this. It would be the person he knew that told him this...if Simian is who we think...



maybe the Simian is in the news business? he scrutinizes media outlets.....but sings the praises of one......in Aruba


Hi COLUMBO...nice to see you! So you don't think that Armin is Simian? Or do you think as I do that Simian and some other poster's were being 'fed' posts, via IM or email? TIA


"the man on the inside will call soon"

note: The Simian spends much of his time "confirming"

he anonymizes to protect "sources"


Phone…but who was calling? TIA

Lala’s…….


 


 


working on Simian.......LE and media use each other
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« Reply #214 on: June 21, 2008, 05:19:44 PM »

ConcernedUK Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Does Shango liaise with Simian?


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« Reply #215 on: June 21, 2008, 05:22:32 PM »

Lala's:

Who protects sources?

Who confirms information?

Who has sources "on the inside?"

 
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« Reply #216 on: June 21, 2008, 05:25:08 PM »

i.e:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/06/reporters.contempt/


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« Reply #217 on: June 21, 2008, 07:12:29 PM »

COLOMBO,

So, you think Simian is a reporter/newsperson & male?
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« Reply #218 on: June 21, 2008, 07:40:38 PM »

RODRIGUEZ TEJADA W/V WINTERDAL RAMONA DEL CARMEN MADIKI 58, A

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm



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« Reply #219 on: June 21, 2008, 08:00:24 PM »

Mum - I couldn't find the Sloots on that Chamber list.  Do you know why they weren't listed?
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