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« Reply #220 on: June 21, 2008, 11:27:29 PM »

Hi - newbie poster here on SM but not to this case. Been following it since 2005 especially codetalkers.

I am curious - does anybody think this case might involve British or Dutch Royalty? Perhaps a Prince (and maybe his bro's) sowing some royal oats on Aruba who got caught up in something? Not saying Joran is innocent, but just don't get the cover up - why protect Joran - who is providing him, the Kalpoes and G. Wever with the best legal defense money can buy? Maybe this is one vicious triangle - if Joran talks, mob pounces to protect the "figure at this ball who is no prince charming", and this Prince spends a lot of $bucks at Aruba ca$inos, etc.   

In my opinion, most codetalkers make reference to a Prince:
---Simian talks about a 'whiskered rat" (implying Cinderella was taken to the ball, to meet the Prince, and the "whiskered rat' became a coachman with the most enormous moustache - who stopped to think (repose) then took the bribe $ (drank the cup of gravy).
---Alcazar's Revenge talks about  "Before the ides of 31 B.C. - 14 A.D. you will all see that it is the truth.". The ides of March is about Julius Caesar, and BEFORE JC was his adopted son 18 yr old "Augustus", who took over when his father Julius Caesar was murdered (August and July).
--- Merian Ernest talks about the son of a Jaguar. The Jaguar is known as "the KING" in South America, so the son of the king is a Prince.
---Grey Whisper says "The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no PRINCE charming." Implied again that Natalee is Cinderella, taken to a Ball (party).  The carriage was Deepak's car, the Horsemen were the other partygoers who need to be pinched.  Cinderalla lost a shoe (er, Joran did hee hee).
--Simian and Shango talk many times about the Palace. Is this the Royal Palace per se? And the ORANGE one is for show - Reference to one of the many Princes of Orange perhaps?
---Alcazar's Revenge also talks about the "pilot of the Jupiter AM-13, he knows who is the saint with the mistaken name" (now the pilot of Jupiter AM-13 was a MONKEY, so a MONKEY knows the saint with the mistaken name - Peter ahem Pieter?? Is Pieter the 'saint' with the 'mistaken name'???  Janus is also the doorkeeper, as is Peter in Catholic tradition - or Pieter??

The blueblooded codetalker knows what happened...IMHO.... your thoughts?
 
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« Reply #221 on: June 22, 2008, 02:32:55 AM »

Finn...you are a gem!!!...Had it on my list to look for that aeromodeler's link this morning!!!!

That is where the name Zedan was found, after Melody's named him at RWV then input from SandraK and Bondia...and we have some beach tennis pics from 2004....beach tennis...Hmmmm...checkme...and used to make model aeroplanes....

Coincidence that Tommy Pooch and Ernesto Arambatzis were both in Aruba in May of 2005........

YW  Cool

poochy: dang! I'm impressed!

I always thought Rudy Croes
was the whiskered rat ...
but your interpretations are XLNT

saint w/ mistaken name ...
simian mentioned saint alibi/saint john ...
can't remember any others off hand
and no time to read back right now

anyway ... hope you will stay around
and continue to contribute

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« Reply #222 on: June 22, 2008, 10:05:16 AM »

Hi - newbie poster here on SM but not to this case. Been following it since 2005 especially codetalkers.

I am curious - does anybody think this case might involve British or Dutch Royalty? Perhaps a Prince (and maybe his bro's) sowing some royal oats on Aruba who got caught up in something? Not saying Joran is innocent, but just don't get the cover up - why protect Joran - who is providing him, the Kalpoes and G. Wever with the best legal defense money can buy? Maybe this is one vicious triangle - if Joran talks, mob pounces to protect the "figure at this ball who is no prince charming", and this Prince spends a lot of $bucks at Aruba ca$inos, etc.   

In my opinion, most codetalkers make reference to a Prince:
---Simian talks about a 'whiskered rat" (implying Cinderella was taken to the ball, to meet the Prince, and the "whiskered rat' became a coachman with the most enormous moustache - who stopped to think (repose) then took the bribe $ (drank the cup of gravy).
---Alcazar's Revenge talks about  "Before the ides of 31 B.C. - 14 A.D. you will all see that it is the truth.". The ides of March is about Julius Caesar, and BEFORE JC was his adopted son 18 yr old "Augustus", who took over when his father Julius Caesar was murdered (August and July).
--- Merian Ernest talks about the son of a Jaguar. The Jaguar is known as "the KING" in South America, so the son of the king is a Prince.
---Grey Whisper says "The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no PRINCE charming." Implied again that Natalee is Cinderella, taken to a Ball (party).  The carriage was Deepak's car, the Horsemen were the other partygoers who need to be pinched.  Cinderalla lost a shoe (er, Joran did hee hee).
--Simian and Shango talk many times about the Palace. Is this the Royal Palace per se? And the ORANGE one is for show - Reference to one of the many Princes of Orange perhaps?
---Alcazar's Revenge also talks about the "pilot of the Jupiter AM-13, he knows who is the saint with the mistaken name" (now the pilot of Jupiter AM-13 was a MONKEY, so a MONKEY knows the saint with the mistaken name - Peter ahem Pieter?? Is Pieter the 'saint' with the 'mistaken name'???  Janus is also the doorkeeper, as is Peter in Catholic tradition - or Pieter??

The blueblooded codetalker knows what happened...IMHO.... your thoughts?
 

Welcome to SM Poochy.  I'm sure one of our posters will answer your post.  I don't post in this thread but just wanted to welcome you.

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« Reply #223 on: June 22, 2008, 10:26:57 AM »

Mum - I couldn't find the Sloots on that Chamber list.  Do you know why they weren't listed?


SS...Only Chamber members are listed and not all bussiness peeps choose to be!

I will work on all the Ernest/Arambatzis stuff in the morning and post it all…vms and Hotping have the documents we have found, as I had to transfer stuff from my email, as they are messing with it again on Tuesday! I won’t be able to copy most of the documents!..Last time they did that, I lost stuff and received emails weeks later and some I sent either never arrived or did ages after, so chose to transfer!

Please go over it all, as I may have missed something or gone down a wrong path! A new set of eyes, so to speak…LOL…Or lots of them would be better...
 
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« Reply #224 on: June 22, 2008, 10:32:52 AM »

Hi - newbie poster here on SM but not to this case. Been following it since 2005 especially codetalkers.

I am curious - does anybody think this case might involve British or Dutch Royalty? Perhaps a Prince (and maybe his bro's) sowing some royal oats on Aruba who got caught up in something? Not saying Joran is innocent, but just don't get the cover up - why protect Joran - who is providing him, the Kalpoes and G. Wever with the best legal defense money can buy? Maybe this is one vicious triangle - if Joran talks, mob pounces to protect the "figure at this ball who is no prince charming", and this Prince spends a lot of $bucks at Aruba ca$inos, etc.   

In my opinion, most codetalkers make reference to a Prince:
---Simian talks about a 'whiskered rat" (implying Cinderella was taken to the ball, to meet the Prince, and the "whiskered rat' became a coachman with the most enormous moustache - who stopped to think (repose) then took the bribe $ (drank the cup of gravy).
---Alcazar's Revenge talks about  "Before the ides of 31 B.C. - 14 A.D. you will all see that it is the truth.". The ides of March is about Julius Caesar, and BEFORE JC was his adopted son 18 yr old "Augustus", who took over when his father Julius Caesar was murdered (August and July).
--- Merian Ernest talks about the son of a Jaguar. The Jaguar is known as "the KING" in South America, so the son of the king is a Prince.
---Grey Whisper says "The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no PRINCE charming." Implied again that Natalee is Cinderella, taken to a Ball (party).  The carriage was Deepak's car, the Horsemen were the other partygoers who need to be pinched.  Cinderalla lost a shoe (er, Joran did hee hee).
--Simian and Shango talk many times about the Palace. Is this the Royal Palace per se? And the ORANGE one is for show - Reference to one of the many Princes of Orange perhaps?
---Alcazar's Revenge also talks about the "pilot of the Jupiter AM-13, he knows who is the saint with the mistaken name" (now the pilot of Jupiter AM-13 was a MONKEY, so a MONKEY knows the saint with the mistaken name - Peter ahem Pieter?? Is Pieter the 'saint' with the 'mistaken name'???  Janus is also the doorkeeper, as is Peter in Catholic tradition - or Pieter??

The blueblooded codetalker knows what happened...IMHO.... your thoughts?
 


Hi Poochy…Welcome…We had a Dutch poster JE, a while back that was interested in, and posted much of what you posted.  I will see if I can find some of those posts in the next couple of days.  I have looked at it briefly and the one that got me was ‘the noble son of the sun breaking through’ and who’s head is on the other side of the florin’!

Caesu has an avatar that looks like a sun breaking over a Dutch flag, and I did ask once what it meant, if anything, but he must have missed my post.  I searched it and didn’t come up with anything!
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« Reply #225 on: June 22, 2008, 11:34:01 AM »

Thanks for the warm welcome everybody! 

I thought the 'sun' references were about 'sol', a name with 'sol' in it, or the Aruba Lodge "El Sol Naciente", but could very well be a flag.

Here's some more stuff I've been checking out:
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DIRTY HAND = BLACK HAND

http://tinyurl.com/5dpucn

"...on the extortion letter was a dagger thru a heart, a revolver and a bottle marked 'POISON'..."

POISON NOTES....
the GAMBLERS STILL KNOW THE GIRL....
all the GAMBLERS KNeW WHAT WAS WRITTEN DOWN  (on the black hand letter).
Joran said she was from a wealthy family.
She had to win back her father's money... 
Is Freddy's purse tied to the black numbers? (Freddy's winnings tied to the black note amount?)

the grey whisper said...
is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers/////  (I think whisper meant to type in 5 question marks and not forward slashes)texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05   (June 1, 2005)

who are the other guests at that charade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(extortion)

"...Black Hand, or La Mano Nera in Italian, was a type of extortion racket. It was a method of extortion, not a criminal organization as such, though gangsters of Camorra and the Mafia practiced it.[1]..."

In popular culture
In Betty Smith's novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, the Black Hand society is referenced in chapter 14 as Sicilians who kidnap small children and demand money for their return.

In Francis Ford Coppola's film The Godfather Part II, Fanucci, the local mafioso, is referred to as being "..with the Black Hand" by Genco Abbandando, a friend of the young Vito Corleone.
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« Reply #226 on: June 22, 2008, 12:03:25 PM »

Mum - I couldn't find the Sloots on that Chamber list.  Do you know why they weren't listed?


SS...Only Chamber members are listed and not all bussiness peeps choose to be!

I will work on all the Ernest/Arambatzis stuff in the morning and post it all…vms and Hotping have the documents we have found, as I had to transfer stuff from my email, as they are messing with it again on Tuesday! I won’t be able to copy most of the documents!..Last time they did that, I lost stuff and received emails weeks later and some I sent either never arrived or did ages after, so chose to transfer!

Please go over it all, as I may have missed something or gone down a wrong path! A new set of eyes, so to speak…LOL…Or lots of them would be better...
 




Mum - a while back I asked you how you knew that you have a visitor.  The reason was because I suspect that I have one, too.  About 6 weeks ago, I suddenly lost my entire email program - I lost everything, including a lot of valuable genealogy data.  Now, I backup like crazy on CDs.  Sometimes when I go to certain sites, my computer goes crazy.  Sometimes when I shut down from my Internet program, my modem continues to function and data continues to come in.  Yesterday, when I was cruising MySpace for Aruban names, Norton notified me that they had intercepted a virus called CometCursor.  Is this what you have experienced?
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« Reply #227 on: June 22, 2008, 01:16:48 PM »

Hello Poochy. Welcome to the most maligned forum in the world. If you like confusion you have arrived at the right place.  Jump in and give us your thoughts.

Motto for this place is:  Just because you think you understood it all last night...keep reading...today it won't make any sense.

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« Reply #228 on: June 22, 2008, 02:10:27 PM »

La la'sMom, Thanks for the warm welcome!  I do agree with you - Been going' round and round myself in one giant circle for years now like most of you.

I'm trying to post other avenues to research - to move away from the 'locals' - the little nobodies IMHO and dig deeper into why Sander 'lost' his cell phone that night, why Koen hides in fear inside his own home, why he cries and sleeps with mummy and pappy, and why that entire family up and FLED Aruba. Also wondering what would scare the bezeebers out of the other little nobodies and make them FLEE Aruba immediately after Natalee went missing. Nobody is afraid of Paulus, so it isn't him. All the codetalkers reference casinos, gamblers, card (SHARKS), loan (SHARKS), Freddy's purse, and the Palace.

Joran said Natalee wanted to see the SHARKS. Seeing his snide humor, perhaps he was no cafone (mob tattletale) and thought it funny to say she wanted to see a loan SHARK.

At 17 he was able to play in torney's in at least two casinos that we know about.

There's another Freddy who was at the Aruba 2005 UltimateBet.com. Freddy Deeb won the Aruba Poker Classic back in 2005...

UltimateBet would have covered Freddy's Purse (Deeb that is - Lebonese guy). The watchtower 'guards' were asleep (looking the  other way). Cards were up sleeves (cheating perhaps?) and were played...   

You're right, we can go round and round and round! Just trying to spin this in a new and fresh direction!
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« Reply #229 on: June 22, 2008, 02:21:42 PM »

La la'sMom, Thanks for the warm welcome!  I do agree with you - Been going' round and round myself in one giant circle for years now like most of you.

I'm trying to post other avenues to research - to move away from the 'locals' - the little nobodies IMHO and dig deeper into why Sander 'lost' his cell phone that night, why Koen hides in fear inside his own home, why he cries and sleeps with mummy and pappy, and why that entire family up and FLED Aruba. Also wondering what would scare the bezeebers out of the other little nobodies and make them FLEE Aruba immediately after Natalee went missing. Nobody is afraid of Paulus, so it isn't him. All the codetalkers reference casinos, gamblers, card (SHARKS), loan (SHARKS), Freddy's purse, and the Palace.

Joran said Natalee wanted to see the SHARKS. Seeing his snide humor, perhaps he was no cafone (mob tattletale) and thought it funny to say she wanted to see a loan SHARK.

At 17 he was able to play in torney's in at least two casinos that we know about.

There's another Freddy who was at the Aruba 2005 UltimateBet.com. Freddy Deeb won the Aruba Poker Classic back in 2005...

UltimateBet would have covered Freddy's Purse (Deeb that is - Lebonese guy). The watchtower 'guards' were asleep (looking the  other way). Cards were up sleeves (cheating perhaps?) and were played...   

You're right, we can go round and round and round! Just trying to spin this in a new and fresh direction!


Freddy Deeb...do you have any more info Poochy?  I remember checking out a long time ago. but my memory is failing me...too many names and too many paths..LOL...TIA
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« Reply #230 on: June 22, 2008, 02:56:38 PM »

Mum,

Just what's on the net for Kassem "Freddy" Deeb
http://www.homepokergames.com/deeb.php
pic is on the link.

Kassem Deeb was born in Beirut, Lebanon, but has since relocated to Las Vegas, Nevada. At the Bellagio, he is known as a regular high-stakes player – an activity he refers to as “investing”. Most people remember Deeb from his appearance on the World Poker Tour where he went all-in with As-Kd against Gus Hansen who called with (Qd-10s). The first card was an ace but it was followed by two queens and Deeb was gone. In a post-game interview Deeb said that he wished he could play against Hansen every day for the rest of his life - a not-so-veiled jab at Hansen's supposed inferior playing ability.


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also want to fix the link in an earlier post - the right parenthesis was omitted when I made the link:

who are the other guests at that charade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(extortion)  so use this one:  http://tinyurl.com/5tbumb
 
 
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« Reply #231 on: June 22, 2008, 03:06:00 PM »

Arab maybe; English not likely JMHO
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« Reply #232 on: June 22, 2008, 03:15:04 PM »

Could be Him

 
Associated Records For: DEEB, KASSEM
 
 
 Names associated / Aliases:
 
 
 Possible Relatives:
 
  DEEB, HANAN A
  DEEB, JEANINE


 Addresses:
 
   9753 Floweret Ave, Las Vegas NV 89117
 
 
 
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« Reply #233 on: June 22, 2008, 03:17:16 PM »

Could be Him

 
Associated Records For: DEEB, KASSEM
 
 
 Names associated / Aliases:
 
 
 Possible Relatives:
 
  DEEB, HANAN A
  DEEB, JEANINE


 Addresses:
 
   9753 Floweret Ave, Las Vegas NV 89117
 
 
 
OOPs..Here's More

DEEB, HANAN A (Age 35)

Associated names:

 DIB, HANAN A Floweret Ave , LAS VEGAS, NV 89117
Sorrento Dr , LONG BEACH, CA 90803
1st St , LONG BEACH, CA 90803   06/23/1972 838-8343
(702) 838-8343  Possible Relatives:

DEEB, SAMIR M (Age 48)
DEEB, KASSEM
DEEB, KASSEM I
DEEB, ABRAHAM K
DEEB, JEANINE
DEEB, SALEH I 
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« Reply #234 on: June 22, 2008, 03:32:35 PM »

http://tinyurl.com/5o2hvt

while googling Freddy D. I found this link that has the keywords:

LION TALES
CINDERELLA STORY
STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN

But I'm sure at this point, googling keywords lead down many, many paths...round and round and round!
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« Reply #235 on: June 22, 2008, 03:44:55 PM »

Freddy Deeb is a very popular Proffessional Poker Player and I have watched him dozens and dozens of times. As far as I know he has no relations to anything in this case.MO
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« Reply #236 on: June 22, 2008, 03:47:58 PM »

Somebody help me here...I have missed the Deeb story...or did I?
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« Reply #237 on: June 22, 2008, 04:00:06 PM »

Freddy Deeb is a very popular Proffessional Poker Player and I have watched him dozens and dozens of times. As far as I know he has no relations to anything in this case.MO

Grey whisper said Freddy's purse is tied to black numbers. This case is tied up in casinos, underage gambling kids, friends working in casinos, and this is the codetalker thread--all codetalkers alluded to gambling. 

5/16/06 7:16 AM  the grey whisper said...
is Freddy’s purse tied to the black numbers///// texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?

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« Reply #238 on: June 22, 2008, 04:07:26 PM »

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« Reply #239 on: June 22, 2008, 04:12:49 PM »

I lost all my 300 saved emails also hmmm
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