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« Reply #240 on: June 22, 2008, 04:16:07 PM »

Freddy Deeb is a very popular Proffessional Poker Player and I have watched him dozens and dozens of times. As far as I know he has no relations to anything in this case.MO

Grey whisper said Freddy's purse is tied to black numbers. This case is tied up in casinos, underage gambling kids, friends working in casinos, and this is the codetalker thread--all codetalkers alluded to gambling. 

5/16/06 7:16 AM  the grey whisper said...
is Freddy’s purse tied to the black numbers///// texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?



Freddy is just a Poker Player who travels abroad in many poker tournaments. His winnings are from the pool of all the others that spent the money to enter the Tournament. He has nothing to do with the Raddison or any Casino in Aruba.

What should be looked into was the owners of the Excelsior before 1998 and the owner after 1998 and the now Judge SMid who investigated Money Laundering and part of the Task force in 1998. Black Hand is correct and there is a definite connection to that same fricken Mob that is connected to everyone in this case even the Mansurs,PVDS and Rudy Croes and the MEP.

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« Reply #241 on: June 22, 2008, 04:26:27 PM »

I lost all my 300 saved emails also hmmm


Hi Blonde...same day that SS had problems...my email went wacky, didn't loose any, but I remember it was a Saturday morning and after that I got a couple more email accounts!

Poochy...House of Orange...which brother could it have been...are they gamblers..could they have been in Aruba...still think the 'noble son' fits with royalty more the the Mason's!TIA
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« Reply #242 on: June 22, 2008, 04:49:32 PM »

 
lala's mom
and anyone with a comment please feel free .. help me here!!
I  dont come here much as time doesnt allow me... but I am curious to all and any comments on this  subject:
what is possibly and how deep is pauulus vandersloots  involvement in this .. we know he is  evil and we know that joran is spoiled and arrogant and just thinks he is above the law because of his dad.. how powerful is this man.. looking t his eyes I see such evil ...why is he so protected...
I may be a little naive or not realy naive mostly  uninformed .....
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« Reply #243 on: June 22, 2008, 05:31:59 PM »


Poochy...House of Orange...which brother could it have been...are they gamblers..could they have been in Aruba...still think the 'noble son' fits with royalty more the the Mason's!TIA

Got the following - not sure if they gamble, or if they were in Aruba, but Pieter was married in August 2005. If you google for his pic, the hairline of later pics does resemble the person sitting next to Natalee at the black jack table....(or so does 1/2 the German population of men with receding hairlines!)

Pieter-Christiaan Michiel Prins van Oranje-Nassau, van Vollenhoven; born 22 March 1972, is the third son of HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands and Prof. Pieter van Vollenhoven.

His godparents are his paternal grandfather, Pieter van Vollenhoven, Archduke Michael of Austria-Este, Jonkheer J. Reuchlin, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, and Mr. Drabbe.

Prince Pieter-Christiaan has three brothers: Prince Maurits, Prince Bernhard and Prince Floris.
He married Anita van Eijk in a civil ceremony on 25 August 2005 at the Het Loo Palace, Apeldoorn which was followed by a religious ceremony on 27 August 2005 at the Grote of St. Jeroenskerk in Noordwijk. Since he did not seek parliamentary approval for his marriage, due to the remote chance of his succession to the throne, Pieter-Christiaan lost his place in the succession to the Dutch throne when he married Anita. Pieter-Christiaan resides in Amsterdam where he currently works for the ICT company Shopservices.

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« Reply #244 on: June 22, 2008, 05:35:21 PM »


lala's mom
and anyone with a comment please feel free .. help me here!!
I  dont come here much as time doesnt allow me... but I am curious to all and any comments on this  subject:
what is possibly and how deep is pauulus vandersloots  involvement in this .. we know he is  evil and we know that joran is spoiled and arrogant and just thinks he is above the law because of his dad.. how powerful is this man.. looking t his eyes I see such evil ...why is he so protected...
I may be a little naive or not realy naive mostly  uninformed .....
misskatie

If you are asking strictly as to Shango's interpretation of who is involved...I would say Paulus is in deep and as Shango said...the elder and dirty hand are in this together.  If you are asking me personally, then I would say Paulus is involved in ways we haven't discovered yet.  Do you know of any other island that would allow a certain set of average citizens to run amok and get away with all that we have uncovered?  No way it's just Joran and his buddies out for a joy ride. Otherwise, it would all be over and Aruba would be business as usual.
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« Reply #245 on: June 22, 2008, 05:36:23 PM »


lala's mom
and anyone with a comment please feel free .. help me here!!
I  dont come here much as time doesnt allow me... but I am curious to all and any comments on this  subject:
what is possibly and how deep is pauulus vandersloots  involvement in this .. we know he is  evil and we know that joran is spoiled and arrogant and just thinks he is above the law because of his dad.. how powerful is this man.. looking t his eyes I see such evil ...why is he so protected...
I may be a little naive or not realy naive mostly  uninformed .....
misskatie


His one comment speaks tomes to me "I have to PROTECT my son".  Interesting word choice "PROTECT" - not "SUPPORT" but "PROTECT". PROTECT from whom or fomr what? That is what I believe is his involvement. He got the call at 4am to pick his son up. Another father got a call at 2am. One boy was late for school, the other boy was on time for school.

Two fathers, and two sons. And man, one of 'em is sweating bullets!

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« Reply #246 on: June 22, 2008, 06:02:05 PM »

******* - thanks for the howdy!

katiekatie2u - Remember that one witness is no witness. Joran is one witness, and Paulus, who picked his son up at 4am is the other witness. BUT, Paulus exercised his right not to testify, so without a body, one witness is NO witness. That was the legal checkmate - Paulus, the fallen elder, knows the halls of the Palace all too well.  He broke one gate (gate = loophole) with exercising his right not to testify.
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« Reply #247 on: June 22, 2008, 06:19:34 PM »

*******
thanks it does make alot of sense.. I am not here much.. I catch bits and pieces here and there and try to make sense of some of it.
I gotta tell ya you  guys are pretty cool and well versed on the subject..
again I thank you for taking time to respond ::
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« Reply #248 on: June 22, 2008, 06:35:44 PM »

LaLa's - In my head, I am trying to connect two things that we have all been discussing lately.  Here in S&S we have been touching on the possibility the J.M. is involved.  Over in NH, we have been discussing the possibility that Paulass's trip to Florida involved a video tape.  Do we know where J.M. was during the few weeks immediately following Natalee's disappearance?  Did Paulass possibly deliver a tape to J.M.?  Is J.M. the source of the Ditch's affluence?  "The News" has a key.  Dirty Hand can break the alibi.  Does the key = the video?  Are The News and Dirty Hand the same?   The News and Dirty Hand walk in all houses.
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« Reply #249 on: June 22, 2008, 06:42:09 PM »

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« Reply #250 on: June 22, 2008, 07:50:30 PM »



I enlarged, brightened and adjusted the contrast so we could see the other people in this screen capture better:

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« Reply #251 on: June 22, 2008, 08:09:55 PM »

La la'sMom, Thanks for the warm welcome!  I do agree with you - Been going' round and round myself in one giant circle for years now like most of you.

I'm trying to post other avenues to research - to move away from the 'locals' - the little nobodies IMHO and dig deeper into why Sander 'lost' his cell phone that night, why Koen hides in fear inside his own home, why he cries and sleeps with mummy and pappy, and why that entire family up and FLED Aruba. Also wondering what would scare the bezeebers out of the other little nobodies and make them FLEE Aruba immediately after Natalee went missing. Nobody is afraid of Paulus, so it isn't him. All the codetalkers reference casinos, gamblers, card (SHARKS), loan (SHARKS), Freddy's purse, and the Palace.

Joran said Natalee wanted to see the SHARKS. Seeing his snide humor, perhaps he was no cafone (mob tattletale) and thought it funny to say she wanted to see a loan SHARK.

At 17 he was able to play in torney's in at least two casinos that we know about.

There's another Freddy who was at the Aruba 2005 UltimateBet.com. Freddy Deeb won the Aruba Poker Classic back in 2005...

UltimateBet would have covered Freddy's Purse (Deeb that is - Lebonese guy). The watchtower 'guards' were asleep (looking the  other way). Cards were up sleeves (cheating perhaps?) and were played...   

You're right, we can go round and round and round! Just trying to spin this in a new and fresh direction!




poison note$ (loans)
why did the girl owe money

who knows what song the elder will sing
a poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
he will sing for his son.....
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« Reply #252 on: June 22, 2008, 08:10:29 PM »

she spent her nights at their tables
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« Reply #253 on: June 22, 2008, 09:12:31 PM »



I enlarged, brightened and adjusted the contrast so we could see the other people in this screen capture better:




Thanks Blonde and Klaas....
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« Reply #254 on: June 22, 2008, 09:47:06 PM »

she spent her nights at their tables



Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?
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« Reply #255 on: June 22, 2008, 09:57:52 PM »

she spent her nights at their tables



Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?
Colombo - first off, I like the way you think!

SS - remember the gal who stayed in Nat's room a week prior, who's friend was buying drugs from the locals - and didn't pay up, so this Nat look-a-like was approached and scared big time to pay up - for her friend...yes, a case of mistaken identity.  Recalling also at the next hotel from the H.I. was a group of teens from Boston MA also celebrating their new found freedom...and I recall Nat and friends spent alot of time at that other hotel with the Bostonites.

And remember - Gretta said someone from Boston approached her, saying they had info on the case but would not solve the case ... didn't one of the two security guards initially picked up pre-joran and kalpoes - have a cute blonde Boston girlfriend???




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« Reply #256 on: June 22, 2008, 10:46:34 PM »

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Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?
Colombo - first off, I like the way you think!

SS - remember the gal who stayed in Nat's room a week prior, who's friend was buying drugs from the locals - and didn't pay up, so this Nat look-a-like was approached and scared big time to pay up - for her friend...yes, a case of mistaken identity.  Recalling also at the next hotel from the H.I. was a group of teens from Boston MA also celebrating their new found freedom...and I recall Nat and friends spent alot of time at that other hotel with the Bostonites.

And remember - Gretta said someone from Boston approached her, saying they had info on the case but would not solve the case ... didn't one of the two security guards initially picked up pre-joran and kalpoes - have a cute blonde Boston girlfriend???








Is this the person that Greta met at the airport when she missed her flight to Boston?  Why didn't this information receive more coverage?
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« Reply #257 on: June 22, 2008, 11:33:13 PM »


june 26/the night before the quarry search,
actually at 12:39am on june 27,
not long after midnight sim said:
"watch tomorrow but do not speak & it will all unfold before you"

the day of the search, june 27 at 12:08pm, sim says:
"They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one.
I said this was to happen. THEY FOUND HER BODY!!

3 minutes later sim says in spanish (& Ally translates)
"he said to keep watching the news,
and that he apologizes for the confusion,
but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him"

the search dogs "hit" in late morning/early afternoon.
until late night/midnight we were still waiting to hear official word
of what they may have found: nothing


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.

If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

finally, after midnight, when nothing was "admitted" to be found
and posters were seriously criticizing the codetalkers:


1:43am
623. The Simian has a handicap of 12

1:53am
635. The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks what is going on is shameless. Playing with people's feelings.

1:54am
637. So Shango is schizophrenic and his other personality is Simian. That is priceless you sick freak.

then sim & shango have their big catfight, beginning at #648/2:01am.
sim is feeling insulted by all the criticism from the other posters


6:56am
725. See, this is kind of ridiculous. We've got folks who say they are on the inside or at least close enough to understand what is going [on], they are arguing back and forth and "calling each other out". The above seems to say that Simian can ping Shock/Check and they all know each other. Simian could make a call and get Shango taken in to jail?

What a joke folks, screw this, if you know something F*cking do something besides act like children as you fight over clue supremacy. Knowing something and doing nothing, or not ending something you could help to, serves only to build your ego folks.
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Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:26 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Simian your Doppleganger is with us

Shango on June 27th, 2005 12:28 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post

DirtyHand is alive

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.

Babalu on June 27th, 2005 11:10 pm
He’s talking about Dirty Hands identity, please refer to my post of yesterday 12:30 AM. He is JVDS, and not Joran.

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56
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AFAIK this is when shango posted/approximate time/aruba clock:
june 26th: 7 AM to 3:12 PM
8 hours

june 27th: 8 PM to 4 AM
8 hours

june 28th
4 AM to 7 PM
double shift
15 hours

june 29th
OFF

june 30th
6 PM to 7 PM
1 hour

since you know when shango posted
you can look at the articles from the time frame
around those dates to find shango's comments


508 comments/june 24 @ 2:24pm - june 26 @ 1:36am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/24/natalee-we-arent-there-in-aruba-but-theyre-here-in-our-prayers/#comments

393 comments/june 24 @ 3:33am - june 26 @ 1:14am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/24/un-crisis-fuera-di-proporcion-a-crisis-out-of-proportion/#comments

242 comments/june 24 @ 5:44pm - october 14 @ 11:16am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/24/natalee-holloway-afternoon-updates/#comments

504 comments/june 25 @ 11:52am - july 3 @ 11:06pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/25/natalee-holloway-saturday-june-25/#comments

98 comments/june 24 @ 11:56pm - august 4 @ 9:57pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/25/natalee-holloway-evening-updates/#comments

7:45am
22. What's the morning news Shock?

8:58am
42. Morning, all. Did the judge from Curacao make the flight to Aruba today?

9:11am
49. yes, judge is at courthouse I just heard. Satish's lawyer thinks Satish will be free today. Grrrrr

9:25am
56. Well it is morning so where is the news that Shock was talking about?

409 comments/june 26 @ 9:57am - august 24 @ 9:52pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/26/sunday-morning-update/#comments

1001 comments/june 26 @ 2:33pm - june 27 @ 1:44pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/26/natalee-holloway-breaking-aruba-news-croes-released/#comments

6:52am
71. bye for now folks...wish shocked monkey would come on...he/she had me so hopeful last night...that there would be answers...seems their theory is seriously challenged now

some shango posts: 128-129-168-169-173-175-177
some simian posts: 170-203-219


10:03pm
219. The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.

The Babylonians knew what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive. The third act will [be] played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.

11:23pm
361. Maybe last night's poster was given wrong information that the package from the Hague would be arriving this morning. Maybe it's arriving tomorrow instead. Perhaps the judge who "missed the plane" on Saturday was trying to delay the hearing until he or she could review this package. But it never came, and time required the hearing be held today without it.

221 comments/june 27 @ 11:56am - june 27 @ 1:54pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/mountain-brook-community-turns-out-for-natalee-holloway/#comments

12:28pm
26. Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting

743 comments/june 27 @ 1:56pm - june 28 @ 10:29am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/riehl-world-has-interesting-news/#comments

9:41pm
68. One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letter which spell
XTC DNA

601 comments/june 27 @ 11:20pm - october 10 @ 9:10am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/natalee-holloway-evening-update/#comments

95 comments/june 28 @ 11:11am - june 28 @ 12:17pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/28/natalee-holloway-june-28-2005/#comments

926 comments/june 28 @ 12:20pm - june 28 @ 10:03pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/28/aruba-wil-hulp-van-nederlandaruba-wants-aid-of-the-netherlands/#comments

616 comments/june 28 @ 10:05pm - june 29 @ 10:37am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/28/friend-of-monkey-talks-to-mickey-john/#comments

424 comments/june 29 @ 10:12am - june 29 @ 9:06pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/29/natalee-holloway-june-29-morning-update/#comments

306 comments/june 29 @ 3:01pm - june 29 @ 9:51pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/29/letter-writing-campaign/#comments

1010 comments/june 29 @ 9:38pm - july 1 @ 8:33am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/29/msnbc/#comments

261 comments/june 30 @ 12:04pm - june 30 @ 2:29pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/30/natalee-holloway-june-30-2005/#comments

804 comments/june 30 @ 12:53pm - june 30 @ 9:57pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/30/kalpoe-family-denied-texas-equeesearch-from-searching-around-their-house/#comments

387 comments/june 30 @ 5:35pm - july 1 @ 1:16am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/30/natalee-holloway-afternoon-update/#comments

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« Reply #258 on: June 23, 2008, 12:06:00 AM »

Oh Finngirl, thank you so much.  You're an angel.
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« Reply #259 on: June 23, 2008, 02:02:12 AM »

she spent her nights at their tables



Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?
Colombo - first off, I like the way you think!

SS - remember the gal who stayed in Nat's room a week prior, who's friend was buying drugs from the locals - and didn't pay up, so this Nat look-a-like was approached and scared big time to pay up - for her friend...yes, a case of mistaken identity.  Recalling also at the next hotel from the H.I. was a group of teens from Boston MA also celebrating their new found freedom...and I recall Nat and friends spent alot of time at that other hotel with the Bostonites.

And remember - Gretta said someone from Boston approached her, saying they had info on the case but would not solve the case ... didn't one of the two security guards initially picked up pre-joran and kalpoes - have a cute blonde Boston girlfriend???







Poochy…lots of ‘stuff’ in your posts to date! Would you mind please posting some references.  Example…the MB group spending time at another hotel, and the SG’s blonde girlfriend. I for one don't have time to google anymore than I am working on right now, and don't recall any reference to the GF being blonde.  TIA

I was thinking Prince Willem-Alexander…not sure how your Prince Pieter fits with your earlier reference to the Freemasons.

Do you have an opinion on ‘Freddy’ as the 5th suspect? Or maybe his internet proclaimed brother Ernesto?…Any on the Florida connections posted about recently? Again…TIA
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