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« Reply #300 on: June 23, 2008, 05:54:06 PM »

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Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?

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« Reply #301 on: June 23, 2008, 06:02:02 PM »

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Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?

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SS..I believe its very possible....Blonde Thanks for posting the Pic...
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« Reply #302 on: June 23, 2008, 06:08:08 PM »

d.   Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls. we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys. they go back to the fort with no loot.
(IF COWBOYS SEE DIRTY HAND, NOTE, NOT IF THEY 'HEAR DIRTY HAND'... ) SO WHO IS THIS BEING HELD? Are you saying that this person being held is a dirty hand?  I have often thought that and I think Colombo thinks that as well.



I did a cut and paste so I wouldn't have to bring the entire post over to this page.  Poochy, if Dirty Hand was being held, does this mean that he could also be the 5th suspect?  Is this someone other than Freddy or Lorenzo?
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« Reply #303 on: June 23, 2008, 06:14:43 PM »

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Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?

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SS..I believe its very possible....Blonde Thanks for posting the Pic...



Wow, they really do look alike.  I wonder if Urine was sent to get Virginia, not knowing that she had already left, and then took Natalee because he knew that the event was planned and the participants were waiting for the girl.  If I recall, CAPS also mentioned something about two parties and two girls, but he never explained anything further.  Have any of the other MB girls ever mentioned anything about going to a party?  Poochy, did the girls from Boston go to a party or did any of them have problems with the locals?
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« Reply #304 on: June 23, 2008, 06:52:54 PM »

d.   Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls. we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys. they go back to the fort with no loot.
(IF COWBOYS SEE DIRTY HAND, NOTE, NOT IF THEY 'HEAR DIRTY HAND'... ) SO WHO IS THIS BEING HELD? Are you saying that this person being held is a dirty hand?  I have often thought that and I think Colombo thinks that as well.


I did a cut and paste so I wouldn't have to bring the entire post over to this page.  Poochy, if Dirty Hand was being held, does this mean that he could also be the 5th suspect?  Is this someone other than Freddy or Lorenzo?

SS - I'm not sure if was DirtyHand who was being held, or if it was the 'Babylonian card' who can identify DirtyHand who was being held. 

Then I read somewhere that someone from MB flew down a few days earlier than the MB kids, and then left two days later. Said it was in the Aruba papers, but I never read it here in the states.
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« Reply #305 on: June 23, 2008, 06:57:02 PM »

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Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?

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SS..I believe its very possible....Blonde Thanks for posting the Pic...



Wow, they really do look alike.  I wonder if Urine was sent to get Virginia, not knowing that she had already left, and then took Natalee because he knew that the event was planned and the participants were waiting for the girl.  If I recall, CAPS also mentioned something about two parties and two girls, but he never explained anything further.  Have any of the other MB girls ever mentioned anything about going to a party?  Poochy, did the girls from Boston go to a party or did any of them have problems with the locals?

I have no idea about the Boston girls. I don't have contacts like most of you here that post - I just recall what I've read that there were a group of Boston H.S. kids celebrating their freedom in the 'hotel next door from the H.I." whatever hotel that may be. And that Natalee and MB friends went to that hotel because the music was better.
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« Reply #306 on: June 23, 2008, 07:04:38 PM »

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« Reply #307 on: June 23, 2008, 07:07:08 PM »

Supposedly there was an MB student named Haleigh (sp?) who's parents owned a condo on Aruba.  She and her mother remained there and helped search for Natalee.  Supposedly, Haleigh knew some of the locals from her previous times on the island.  I think that some of us saw this as a possible connection to Lorenzo.
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« Reply #308 on: June 23, 2008, 07:09:59 PM »

Supposedly there was an MB student named Haleigh (sp?) who's parents owned a condo on Aruba.  She and her mother remained there and helped search for Natalee.  Supposedly, Haleigh knew some of the locals from her previous times on the island.  I think that some of us saw this as a possible connection to Lorenzo.
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Supposedly there was an MB student named Haleigh (sp?) who's parents owned a condo on Aruba.  She and her mother remained there and helped search for Natalee.  Supposedly, Haleigh knew some of the locals from her previous times on the island.  I think that some of us saw this as a possible connection to Lorenzo.

 <Snip>SCARBOROUGH

Also going to be talking to Marjanne Havelaar.  She is the editor of the largest Dutch newspaper.  I am going to talk about—to her—about the family of this Dutch judge‘s son who has been arrested and, obviously, from what we‘re hearing tonight, was intimate with Natalee.  We are also going to be talking Haleigh Uncapher.  She is a friend of Natalee‘s who was with her the night she disappeared and is now helping in the search.

All that, plus the Jackson case, Tom Cruise, Scientology.

A lot ahead.  SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY is just getting started.  Stick around.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  We‘re going to be right back.

And when we return, we are going to be talking to people on the island of Aruba, also going to be talking to a friend of Natalee‘s who was with her the night that she disappeared and searching for her.

And, also, we are going to go out to California and get the very latest in the Michael Jackson case.  The circus act continues, except Michael Jackson may be going to jail soon.  That is what a lot of experts are claiming.  We‘ll talk to our experts out in L.A., when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.

But, first, here is the latest news that you and your family need to know.

(NEWS BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH:  With the arrest of three more suspects and also the search for Natalee Holloway entering the 11th day and counting, the question remains, what could have happened to this beautiful, intelligent, attractive young girl from Mountain Brook, Alabama?

With me now to talk about it is Marjanne Havelaar.  She is the editor of “The Amigoe,” which is, from what I understand, Marjanne, the largest Dutch-language newspaper on the island.

Thank you for being with us tonight.

Your island is such a safe island.  I know this has to be a shock to everybody down there.  How often do you have tourists from America or any other country end up missing like this?

MARJANNE HAVELAAR, EDITOR, “THE AMIGOE”:  As far as I can remember, it never happens.  I work as an editor for five years now on this island.  I live here for 15 years.  And something like this, it‘s really the first time.

SCARBOROUGH:  It just doesn‘t happen.

Now, let me ask you something.  You know the family of the Dutch teen.  Obviously, they‘re a very well respected family there.  What can you tell us about them tonight?

HAVELAAR:  Yes.  You‘re right.  It‘s a very respected family.  As we know, the father is a local judge.  The mother is a teacher.  I mean, they have three kids.  They‘ve never been in trouble.  It‘s a normal, decent family, nothing extraordinary about them.  So, this came really as a shock that their son was named as one of the suspects.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  I‘m sure a lot of people are shocked by that.

Let me ask you something.  Last night, we had an FBI profiler come on this show.  And they said, you know, one of the things that happens, not only in Aruba, but happens—I mean, it happens in Miami.  It happens all across America, all across the world, is, sometimes, you have date rape drugs that are slipped into drinks.  It happens on college campuses.  A lot of speculation that that may have happened in this case.

Has that ever happened in Aruba before?  Have police or newspapers ever felt the need to issue warnings to tourists because this happens?

HAVELAAR:  Yes.  It‘s something that happens on Aruba.  It happened a few times last—over the last few years.

And, sometimes, in our paper, we issue a warning, not only for the tourists, but also for the local teens.  Once in a while, we hear information about this kind of thing.  .

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, thank you for being with us, Marjanne.  Obviously, we are all going to continue to focus on this story, just like you are.  We greatly appreciate you being with us tonight.

Let‘s go back now to Tom Parker.  He‘s a former FBI agent.

Tom, you know, a lot of people are talking about possibly Natalee being killed, murdered on the island.  They‘re searching for her.  But there is a possibility, because of Aruba‘s geographic location, that she could have possibly been taken off the island.  Talk about that.

PARKER:  Well, obviously, anything is possible as to where she has ended up as a result of this situation.

And it really comes back to, what was the motivation of whoever took her?  If there was a need to conceal her or to get her removed from any opportunity of somebody finding her, then to take her to another remote island would be very, very logical.  This is why a very important part of this investigation, which I can assure you is under way, they will be dissecting from A to Z all of the activities, the background, where they‘ve been, what they‘ve been doing this past weekend as it relates to these five suspects that are now in custody.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m sorry.  I was just going to say, let‘s put that map back up for—that shows how close Aruba is to Venezuela.

You had the attorney general coming out earlier today talking about—and there‘s the map—talking about how this search has expanded beyond their borders.  Does the FBI—I mean, have you heard of cases before where somebody got kidnapped from an island and taken to the mainland?  And, of course, the speculation is—and it‘s all speculation—that could have been sold into prostitution or slavery.  Does that ever happen?

PARKER:  Absolutely.  It‘s happening all over the world.

And, certainly, that‘s one of the possibilities that the investigators down there are looking at.  And it‘s also logical to start looking beyond Aruba, when we are 10 and 11 days into this and no trace of her has been found, at least as far as we know.  You do start expanding your search.  So, I‘m presuming that it was a natural forward movement for them to expand the search.  But I‘m also guessing that they have developed some information which would indicate that this other island, this remote island, is perhaps somehow involved in this.

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Tom, thanks a lot for being with us.  We greatly appreciate it.

PARKER:  My pleasure.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, obviously, I‘ll tell you what.  A lot of people In Mountain Brook, Alabama, very concerned about what‘s going on tonight, concerned about the fact that Natalee, obviously worst-case scenario, that she is on the island and something terrible happened to her there, but also that she may have been taken off the island.  And, again, this investigation now has expanded beyond Aruba.

Now let‘s bring in Haleigh Uncapher.  Haleigh is a friend that was with Natalee the night that she disappeared.  And, also, she continues with the valiant search for her friend from Mountain Brook, Alabama.

Haleigh, thanks a lot for being with us tonight.

HALEIGH UNCAPHER, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  Thank you.

SCARBOROUGH:  Talk about the emotions of today, now in the 11th day.  Are people starting to think that this story just may not have a happy ending?

UNCAPHER:  I think people are still hopeful.  And they‘re trying not to focus on whether it is going to be a happy ending or not.  I think we‘re really just trying to find Natalee and get some closure to this case.

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, today, we got a lot of information on the Dutch man.  You spoke last night—Well, I say man.  He‘s 17 years old, the 17-year-old son, a judge‘s son who is a Dutch guy.

You talked about the fact that they met the night before she disappeared.  But we‘re hearing now that they met in the casino.  Can you set the stage for those of us in the United States that want to know what the hotel was like where you were staying?  There was a casino nearby.  There were bars nearby.  Talk about the casino where they met.
UNCAPHER:  OK.

Well, the casino and lobby and all that is kind of separate from the sleeping quarters or whatever.  But you have to walk from where your room is, across the way, and then there is a bar on your right.  And then, as you keep walking straight, it comes right into the hotel, the main hotel, where the lobby is and the casino and everything is just right there.  And so, the main hotel kind of...

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.  And...

UNCAPHER:  Go ahead.

SCARBOROUGH:  Keep going.

UNCAPHER:  Oh, I was just going to say, the hotel surrounds the pool and the bar, kind of.

SCARBOROUGH:  OK.  We‘re hearing also obviously that what Natalee did, meeting this young Dutch man, was not out of the ordinary, that, actually, you had a lot of locals coming into the casino, a lot of locals coming into these bars trying to pick up tourists, which, of course, happens in the Caribbean and also in other vacation resorts.  Is that correct?

UNCAPHER:  Well, yes.

I mean, locals are everywhere you go, because they‘re just like you, trying to enjoy themselves as—just as much so.  They were—you know, were pretty much wherever we were, not necessarily only where we were.  But everywhere we went, you know, were locals.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes.

Now, Natalee—we‘re hearing from these reports that Natalee was intimate with this young man.  Had Natalee talked to you, had she talked to anybody else from Mountain Brook High School that was down there with her on this senior trip about this young man that she had obviously met the night before?

UNCAPHER:  She had never talked to me about it.  I have not talked to any of her friends.  And from what I know of, they didn‘t know.  They only knew him from Sunday night when—at Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s.

SCARBOROUGH:  Oh, OK.  So, they don‘t know the backstory to it, how—what we‘re hearing today, again, from the statements that were released.

Talk about the search today.  It looks like you‘ve been out in the sun for the better part of the day looking for Natalee.  It‘s been 11 days now.  This island, as we said last night, is no bigger than Topeka, Kansas.

There are 700 people that have been out searching.  The FBI is out there.  There are divers out there.  There are search dogs out there, still no—searching for Natalee.

Where did you all go today?  What—what‘s left to search on the island of Aruba?

UNCAPHER:  Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.  And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

SCARBOROUGH:  Can you talk about talk about your friends, fellow people from Mountain Brook?  What are their thoughts tonight?

UNCAPHER:  I just think we‘re all just really worried now.

You know, it‘s our 11th day.  And we‘re all just anxious to find out more news.  And, yes, that‘s about—just really worried.

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Haleigh.  All right, Haleigh, thanks a lot.

We appreciate you being with us tonight.

UNCAPHER:  Thank you.

SCARBOROUGH:  Again, good luck on the search.  Our thoughts and prayers are with you and Natalee‘s friends and, obviously, everybody that‘s searching for this young 18-year-old woman.



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« Reply #310 on: June 23, 2008, 07:38:58 PM »

Thanks Blonde, she's the one.
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« Reply #311 on: June 23, 2008, 07:41:18 PM »

Thanks Blonde!

Here's something from Harry Tho. I hate to bring the twins into this mix, but all roads lead back to gambling. (Was it rumor or fact that the twins lawyered up on the plane ride home?)

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/post.php

"...In my opinion, there was a concern about the Twitty brothers (early on). One blog reported that a scuffle erupted between Joran and one of the Twitty brothers at C&C when Natalee left the brothers' company to dance with Joran. There was even a report of a punch being thrown by one of the brothers. The brothers were close friends with Natalee's former boyfriend who spent the prior afternoon on the beach with Natalee ... some guy named Sean McVae (sp?)..."

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« Reply #312 on: June 23, 2008, 07:59:08 PM »

While googling about the boyfriend who was said to have arrived 2 days early and changed his flight for 2 days after all the MBers left Aruba, I found this post - Never saw it before - thought I'd share because this says Natalee called her b'friend IN ALABAMA at 4am... and I thought there was someone on the island who arrived on different flights than the group...

I OMITTED some of the post out of respect for Nat's family...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/12/natalee-hollowa.html

listen folks, i studied this case from the inside out! a whole year documenting and emailing everyone involved and the world. every single day i recorded the ...(omitted).

first of all joran v/d sloot is 'innocent'! why? because there is PROOF that natalee called her boyfriend in ALABAMA around 4 in the morning from aruba. (way after joran left her on the beach!) he was asleep so his answering machine recorded her saying that she did not want to return home, that she was depressed about having to return! and she kept rambling on and clearly a little out of it, also there was loud music in the back ground! this was told to me by the mother of joran, and that is why they had to realease him!! it took so long because the fbi had confiscated the tape and had it analized!

that call was made from the 'rented' phone she from digicell a local phone company! when they traced the call it resulted to the answering machine of her boyfriend! now.. how did the phone result back in her room the same morning, for her room mates to hand over to the chapparone that stayed back to see about her whereabouts??? rarara?? could that be perhaps before or after she took her room key at the front desk??? well accompanied??

moreover, peter de vries told in an interview on a local station in aruba that his investigative team has 'a seccion of surveillance tape' from the holiday inn, where natalee is clearly seen in the lobby at the front desk, where she went to pick-up her room key! she was accompanied by a man but the tape does not give a clear view of that man! also hours after joran left her on the beach! so peter de vries is a lier and a manipulator too!
'cause if you have proof, and you declare the truth on the air, and afterwards FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY OR VENGENCE, you turn around and betray a whole community...then your just the same old bastard as (OMITTED).
furthermore, the first day 24 hours she was on the island, she sent a signal to natalee that i'm here #@#@#??? we have to talk!!??
well she came like the angel of darkness convinced her daughter was DEAD, and now..we have to talk??

stay tuned aaalllllot more to come! i have details even the procecutors are afraid to release!!!
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« Reply #313 on: June 23, 2008, 08:11:50 PM »

I was reading on one of the other blogs, and I came across a list of Urine's friends and their pictures.  There was a picture of a kid named Alexsander Ziewinger.  I am not familiar with this kid as one of Urine's friends, but the name Alexsander and the last name starting with a Z sure jumped out at me.  Does anyone know anything about this kid?  The picture didn't look like Freddy, but I wonder if his name has been merged with Freddy's name.
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« Reply #314 on: June 23, 2008, 08:22:23 PM »

From all these things, I wonder if Ben Vocking could be tied to "Dirty Hand"? 

He seems to be a part of this case, and rarely seen.  What were his movements in June? 

Is he related to any suspect or witnesses? 
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« Reply #315 on: June 23, 2008, 08:29:02 PM »

From all these things, I wonder if Ben Vocking could be tied to "Dirty Hand"? 

He seems to be a part of this case, and rarely seen.  What were his movements in June? 

Is he related to any suspect or witnesses? 

Yeah, he changed his name to Ben King.  Is he an Arawak or an Arawak King? Why would he change his name at his age? Did he think the pronounciation of his last name sounded like one of George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on the air? (May God rest George's Carlin's soul).
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« Reply #316 on: June 23, 2008, 08:29:26 PM »

From all these things, I wonder if Ben Vocking could be tied to "Dirty Hand"? 

He seems to be a part of this case, and rarely seen.  What were his movements in June? 

Is he related to any suspect or witnesses? 



We talked about him a while back.  He's tight with Paulass and I think he goes by the name Ben King now.  We also talked about a Judge named Dueterkom (sp?) who never has his picture taken.
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« Reply #317 on: June 23, 2008, 08:36:41 PM »

If I recall, there was a lot of confusion about what Ben King looks like.  There was a picture of Ben King leaving, I think, the police station and a picture of a Ben King who is a minister.  Mum and/or LaLa's have the correct picture.  I don't know if we ever found a picture of Judge Deuterkom or how ever it's spelled.  I think this guy was an Enoz Regnad.
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« Reply #318 on: June 23, 2008, 09:01:40 PM »

While googling about the boyfriend who was said to have arrived 2 days early and changed his flight for 2 days after all the MBers left Aruba, I found this post - Never saw it before - thought I'd share because this says Natalee called her b'friend IN ALABAMA at 4am... and I thought there was someone on the island who arrived on different flights than the group...

I OMITTED some of the post out of respect for Nat's family...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/12/natalee-hollowa.html

listen folks, i studied this case from the inside out! a whole year documenting and emailing everyone involved and the world. every single day i recorded the ...(omitted).

first of all joran v/d sloot is 'innocent'! why? because there is PROOF that natalee called her boyfriend in ALABAMA around 4 in the morning from aruba. (way after joran left her on the beach!) he was asleep so his answering machine recorded her saying that she did not want to return home, that she was depressed about having to return! and she kept rambling on and clearly a little out of it, also there was loud music in the back ground! this was told to me by the mother of joran, and that is why they had to realease him!! it took so long because the fbi had confiscated the tape and had it analized!

that call was made from the 'rented' phone she from digicell a local phone company! when they traced the call it resulted to the answering machine of her boyfriend! now.. how did the phone result back in her room the same morning, for her room mates to hand over to the chapparone that stayed back to see about her whereabouts??? rarara?? could that be perhaps before or after she took her room key at the front desk??? well accompanied??

moreover, peter de vries told in an interview on a local station in aruba that his investigative team has 'a seccion of surveillance tape' from the holiday inn, where natalee is clearly seen in the lobby at the front desk, where she went to pick-up her room key! she was accompanied by a man but the tape does not give a clear view of that man! also hours after joran left her on the beach! so peter de vries is a lier and a manipulator too!
'cause if you have proof, and you declare the truth on the air, and afterwards FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY OR VENGENCE, you turn around and betray a whole community...then your just the same old bastard as (OMITTED).
furthermore, the first day 24 hours she was on the island, she sent a signal to natalee that i'm here #@#@#??? we have to talk!!??
well she came like the angel of darkness convinced her daughter was DEAD, and now..we have to talk??

stay tuned aaalllllot more to come! i have details even the procecutors are afraid to release!!!
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This is pure Renee Gielen BS, nothing more and exactly what those people want is happening.  They post it on one message board and it gets posted elsewhere until before you know it people believe it.

THIS IS BS
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« Reply #319 on: June 23, 2008, 09:08:11 PM »

I was reading on one of the other blogs, and I came across a list of Urine's friends and their pictures.  There was a picture of a kid named Alexsander Ziewinger.  I am not familiar with this kid as one of Urine's friends, but the name Alexsander and the last name starting with a Z sure jumped out at me.  Does anyone know anything about this kid?  The picture didn't look like Freddy, but I wonder if his name has been merged with Freddy's name.


SS…I spent a morning checking him out a while back and came up empty!

ZIEVINGER, Alexsander…from Chicago outfit photobucket

Duke Duke 7-17 male en Geiledaphne Geiledaphne female sebastian ...
... freddy freddy papi male Glembert Glembert Alexander male sexy sexy sexy ..... male Alexsander G Alexsander G Zievinger male Angeloh Angeloh Moneytalks ...api.hi5.com/rest/profile/foaf/874358 - 407k - Cached -

Vocking - the right pic is in the Aruban Who's Who, I think...LOL
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