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« Reply #320 on: June 23, 2008, 09:55:03 PM »

Alexsander Ziewinger is on the top left
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« Reply #321 on: June 23, 2008, 10:02:20 PM »

This is the source for the pictures.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

I also noticed that the name is written as Freddy Zedan Arambatzis instead of Arambatzis Zedan.

Who is Alexsander Ziewinger?
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« Reply #322 on: June 23, 2008, 10:12:18 PM »

Alexsander Ziewinger is on the top left

Those photos are of Joran's character witnesses from the NY civil case:

ZIEVINGER, Alexsander – character witness as listed on pg 33 Tacopina’s filing in NY civil suit.


So he's one of Joran's friends - either school or tennis would be my guess.
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« Reply #323 on: June 23, 2008, 10:29:13 PM »

Alexsander Ziewinger is on the top left

Boy!  That's a great group to use as character witnesses. Several of them have been suspects...really good to have them on your side.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #324 on: June 23, 2008, 11:05:42 PM »

she spent her nights at their tables



Hi Colombo - at one point, CAPS threw out a suggestion to us.  He felt that Natalee was the wrong girl that night and that she was a substitute.  He thought that it was Virginia who owed money, but "the bird flew away".  Virginia left Aruba on her grandfather's private jet the day before.  Is this possible?

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« Reply #325 on: June 23, 2008, 11:08:01 PM »

Oops, I did that wrong, are these part of the girls that were with Natalee???? Gosh, Frannie looks just like me.
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« Reply #326 on: June 23, 2008, 11:10:02 PM »

Alexsander Ziewinger is on the top left

Boy!  That's a great group to use as character witnesses. Several of them have been suspects...really good to have them on your side.  Rolling Eyes



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« Reply #327 on: June 23, 2008, 11:33:36 PM »

Supposedly there was an MB student named Haleigh (sp?) who's parents owned a condo on Aruba.  She and her mother remained there and helped search for Natalee.  Supposedly, Haleigh knew some of the locals from her previous times on the island.  I think that some of us saw this as a possible connection to Lorenzo.
Here ya go...Notice who's photobucket this is 

http://tinyurl.com/677fw9
Haleigh from facebook:

Her older sister Kathryn (from facebook) who was also in Aruba from my understanding...
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« Reply #328 on: June 23, 2008, 11:37:42 PM »

Supposedly there was an MB student named Haleigh (sp?) who's parents owned a condo on Aruba.  She and her mother remained there and helped search for Natalee.  Supposedly, Haleigh knew some of the locals from her previous times on the island.  I think that some of us saw this as a possible connection to Lorenzo.
Here ya go...Notice who's photobucket this is 

http://tinyurl.com/677fw9
Haleigh from facebook:

Her older sister Kathryn (from facebook) who was also in Aruba from my understanding...


To me, the group picture has Kathryn & Haleigh marked in reverse...maybe it's just me...
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« Reply #329 on: June 23, 2008, 11:41:07 PM »

OOPS....confusing Lee with Katherine and Haleigh with Virginia....will have to take a break.
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« Reply #330 on: June 23, 2008, 11:51:24 PM »

OOPS....confusing Lee with Katherine and Haleigh with Virginia....will have to take a break.

I don't think either of the Uncapher sister's are in the group picture.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #331 on: June 24, 2008, 05:47:40 AM »

This is the source for the pictures.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

I also noticed that the name is written as Freddy Zedan Arambatzis instead of Arambatzis Zedan.

Who is Alexsander Ziewinger?


SS...I spent a morning trying to track him a while back, went through multiple pics trying to find him, and the only thing I came up with was the hi5 site I posted on the previous page.

Then I changed letters in the name...an l instead of the w, and still nothing! There is a list to do with the character witnesses and spelling corrections, and I don't recall his name being on it. I believe it is in the documents on Jonathon's site.

Lala's...re my internet provider...yesterday they did not provide any internet, or very little....today they are not providing any email ...thought I out-smarted them and copied many things in case they disappeared never to be seen again, or were in limbo for weeks, well I forgot to copy my address book!

Did I miss were MJ's girlfriend from Boston was a blonde?....pretty sure from what I have read she is not dumb!

Back to working on Ernesto and his family? Will try and get it done this morning...
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« Reply #332 on: June 24, 2008, 06:07:46 AM »

On the Mansur family….I have two areas of interest that I have started to follow…The Miami jet-set, Damilice and her known connection to Miguel Jr and Austin Mansur. Both these guys live the good life. Porsches, cigarette boats, parties etc. Pretty sure they would know the Miami nightlife as well…maybe Tommy Pooch, Alan Roth, Ernesto?  Now where did those discussions lead?  Both Tommy Pooch and Ernesto in Aruba in May 2005? The last addresses I have seen for Ernesto and Damilice their apartment buildings appear to be next door to each other…

The other is the parents’ of Austin and Miguel Jr and their families. This involves their companies, both in Chicago and Florida, and checking their business associates…

Have just scratched the surface on both of these…
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« Reply #333 on: June 24, 2008, 07:59:45 AM »

Finngirl posted some posts the other day about the discussion when 'Freddy' was identified...started with Arends and moved onto, in a roundabout way, to Arambatzis and Zedan, with confirmation from Melody at RWV. The info came from US TV sources, (wonder who their info came from? IIRC there were not a lot of US press on the ground in Aruba at that time), and some dubious posters here at SM. Bondia applauded jossy and the Monkeys for nailing down the identity of 'Freddy'. SandraK posted about a cousin Lissette,sp, here in the States and an aunt Rebeca in Venezuela...still trying to track these down...LOL...Misinformation maybe?....Ernesto's ex-wife was Rebecca...of course no links were posted....

Do any of the veteran poster's remember the connection of Ernesto to 'Freddy'? When this may have been and which forum? I recall anna telling me to look at RWV for early misinformation by Scubajap on "Freddy'. I would love to read those posts! TIA

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« Reply #334 on: June 24, 2008, 08:42:48 AM »

Mum - I have both Facebook and MySpace accounts because in my business it's a good way to keep track of "things that are going on".  I can't tell you how many faces I have poured through trying to identify Freddy.  I have found absolutely nothing.  I have found nothing on Deutekom.  And, now this Alexsander kid is another puzzle.  He and Freddy must be real people or TacoJoe couldn't have used them as sources in the NY documents.  I found it interesting that Freddy's last name on that list was Arambatzis and Zedan preceeded it.  Didn't ALE list him as Arambatzis, also?  Maybe the name Zedan isn't real.  I have no idea where Martina would fit in here, but CAPS seemed pretty sure that this was the person who was arrested for the porn pictures.  I am wondering if Martina is an entirely different person.  We've also seemed to have lost Karen Martina.  I have also searched through the MySpace pages for her.

A new thought has come into my head - which can be dangerous.     Yesterday, LaLa's and Poochy were discussing Dirty Hand and how they could not let him be seen, but one of the suspects (the 5th? Freddy?) could identify him.   Do we know for sure that Ernesto was on in the island in May of 2005?  Could Ernesto be Dirty Hand who could reveal the details of the porn video business that was going on between Aruba and Florida?  Could Ernesto be the one who could name the names and bring down the Babylonians if he had really big names?

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« Reply #335 on: June 24, 2008, 08:52:48 AM »

Another thought. 

A few months ago, we were talking about Deutekom and initially we had a picture of a man who we thought was Deutekom, but it wasn't him.  It was a fair haired guy in a sport coat with sunglasses.  The picture was black and white.  This person was identified as another judge, but one source said that he had died.  There was a discussion yesterday with Poochy and LaLa's about the section of Shango where they were debating whether Dirty Hand was still alive.  Shango said, "Dirty Hand is alive and well".  Could there be a connection?  Just a thought.
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« Reply #336 on: June 24, 2008, 08:54:57 AM »

n.   Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys. All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat. The gods are talking. DirtyHand is alive and well. [SO WHO IS THIS DIRTYHAND WHO WAS TO BE PRESUMED SICK AND THEN DEAD, BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL?]

I noticed this one particular excerpt from Poochy (welcome by the way) and could only think of one thing. Dirty Hand faked his death. On Aruba this could be accomplished quite easily. We all know that autopsy are hardly reliable. Dirty Hand was considered dead before Natalee went to Aruba.

He was dead and discovered to be alive. Was arrested and the ALE / Prosecutor's office decided it was better he REMAINS DEAD. Shango tells us that this particular Dirty Hand is not dead. A heads up if you will.

There have been many Dirty Hands - this one bowed out before he was caught and possibly sent to jail. He never stopped doing what it is he does, but was not considered a suspect because others thought he had met his demise.

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« Reply #337 on: June 24, 2008, 09:01:29 AM »

From all these things, I wonder if Ben Vocking could be tied to "Dirty Hand"? 

He seems to be a part of this case, and rarely seen.  What were his movements in June? 

Is he related to any suspect or witnesses? 



We talked about him a while back.  He's tight with Paulass and I think he goes by the name Ben King now.  We also talked about a Judge named Dueterkom (sp?) who never has his picture taken.

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« Reply #338 on: June 24, 2008, 09:03:34 AM »

Mum - I have both Facebook and MySpace accounts because in my business it's a good way to keep track of "things that are going on".  I can't tell you how many faces I have poured through trying to identify Freddy.  I have found absolutely nothing.  I have found nothing on Deutekom.  And, now this Alexsander kid is another puzzle.  He and Freddy must be real people or TacoJoe couldn't have used them as sources in the NY documents.  I found it interesting that Freddy's last name on that list was Arambatzis and Zedan preceeded it.  Didn't ALE list him as Arambatzis, also?  Maybe the name Zedan isn't real.  I have no idea where Martina would fit in here, but CAPS seemed pretty sure that this was the person who was arrested for the porn pictures.  I am wondering if Martina is an entirely different person.  We've also seemed to have lost Karen Martina.  I have also searched through the MySpace pages for her.

A new thought has come into my head - which can be dangerous.     Yesterday, LaLa's and Poochy were discussing Dirty Hand and how they could not let him be seen, but one of the suspects (the 5th? Freddy?) could identify him.   Do we know for sure that Ernesto was on in the island in May of 2005?  Could Ernesto be Dirty Hand who could reveal the details of the porn video business that was going on between Aruba and Florida?  Could Ernesto be the one who could name the names and bring down the Babylonians if he had really big names?

I'm sorry about your Internet problems.  I get so frustrated when I have those problems.

ALE listed him as Zedan and And Zedan-Arambatzis, as for Taco...none of those character witnesses were ever going to NY, so Freddy Zedan statements could have been written by anyone! I don't believe 'Freddy' is who he was supposed to be. How come no-one ever saw him in relation to the statements and his August arrest. All the family heard was a name...Maybe Freddy is a figment of the internet...

Ernesto was there for Sasha's birthday party, early May, I think was posted last week...if you can trust your eyes and the pics...Where was he until January 2008...moving around a lot, multiple 'addresses'. Maybe it was him or one of his Miami buddies that changed their travel plans, a day here and there....

Unless you can find Ernesto's father, I can't place him as DH. Depends on what company both he and his friend's keep in Miami, maybe?

Just a thought...maybe Alexsander is Alex and Sander!

TM...nice to see you back, know you have been busy, hope it was fun!
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« Reply #339 on: June 24, 2008, 09:10:01 AM »

n.   Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys. All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat. The gods are talking. DirtyHand is alive and well. [SO WHO IS THIS DIRTYHAND WHO WAS TO BE PRESUMED SICK AND THEN DEAD, BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL?]

I noticed this one particular excerpt from Poochy (welcome by the way) and could only think of one thing. Dirty Hand faked his death. On Aruba this could be accomplished quite easily. We all know that autopsy are hardly reliable. Dirty Hand was considered dead before Natalee went to Aruba.

He was dead and discovered to be alive. Was arrested and the ALE / Prosecutor's office decided it was better he REMAINS DEAD. Shango tells us that this particular Dirty Hand is not dead. A heads up if you will.

There have been many Dirty Hands - this one bowed out before he was caught and possibly sent to jail. He never stopped doing what it is he does, but was not considered a suspect because others thought he had met his demise.

- jmo -


Hi Rob...This reminds me of Judge Kuiperdal. I checked for an obit and couldn't find one.

Also at the Mementori,sp, site, I couldn't access in June or July 2005, anything on a Henrique that had died. Opened every other one on that page, but that one gave me a warning, like not authorized or something! Strange!
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