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« Reply #360 on: June 24, 2008, 12:27:34 PM »

And lest I stir another controversy?  There are other newspapers that go in all houses and are read by the locals.  Didn't call any names, but Regnad beware!


LOL

SS...my notes that I found while checking out Damilice Mansur...not her's...too much to post right now...Some-one on Damilices friend's list has Jc Jr as a friend and can't find it in my notes...here are some interesting connections...as Lala's said ... they all know each other...

Lalo Croes

Lalo Croes | FacebookNizana Solognier · Damilice Mansur Damilice Mansur
· Desiree Coronel Desiree Coronel · Dana Ber Dana Ber · Armin E.
Solognier Armin E. Solognier ...
www.facebook.com/people/Lalo_Croes/608906702 - 17k - Cached - Similar
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Well Lalo Croes is married to Michael Saladin, an American living in
Aruba, not sure if he is jail! And Lalo's sister Guisette and Michael 
Saladin are the vocalists in the Mi Dushi Band!!!



Betico's daughter????


Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January
25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping
street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-
Croes and Guisette Croes.

MySpace.com - Dushi Band of Aruba - Oranjestad, Caribbean - Techno ...
Band Members, Hildward Croes (Director / Keyboards / Vocals), Guisette Croes (Vocals), Michael Saladin (Vocals), Melvin Garcia (Vocals), ...profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=27529601 - 193k - Cached - Similar pages
Gay News From 365Gay.com
Aug 21, 2005 ... "Being gay is still taboo in Aruba," said Guisette Croes, 41, a lesbian who owns a music store in the capital, Oranjestad, ...www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/082105Aruba.htm - 28k -






Wow! The plot thickens!

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« Reply #361 on: June 24, 2008, 12:39:21 PM »

Hey SS!
This one's for you. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o&feature=related
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« Reply #362 on: June 24, 2008, 01:17:38 PM »

A Casino is also called a Gambling HOUSE. So if we look at HOUSE as a Casino, a simple party at his 'house' would be a party at HIS (the owners') casino. Then the 'cars of the house' could be taxi's or limos that bring the high rollers from the airport to the hotel/casino. 

Maybe "THE GAME" is all the cheating and money laundering taking place inside the casinos as the watchtower centries are sleeping.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was [there] “the whole time.”

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk. [Maybe this was not Paulus, but the 'other father'-the casino owner?]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block [the judge] The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze. No loot, but many answers. Better twisted hallways than fallen houses. Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching. we must have a sacrifice. Light the fires!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat. Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden. Babylon scared of DirtyHand. Arawaks scared of DirtyHand. If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy. If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy. Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House. Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house, and so DirtyHand was discovered. But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings. He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist. doors to eden remain closed. The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty. Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand. If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons. DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon. Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home ….without the loot

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path to the house of Rave, while of gold bricks the road is not paved, answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA .

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played. if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation. the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made. Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles. cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood. The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses.  houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave.  He can break the alibi.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon. the girl knew this. Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon. But not to satiate desire.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild, the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin. All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await. But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
Mary ROLLED through the Maze. There is more than one house of music. the Lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions in the place of darkness house of secrets

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
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« Reply #363 on: June 24, 2008, 01:39:49 PM »

Thanks Poochy...Jaime's dad worked at the Wyndham, it is in his PV about picking his Dad up at 11PM...also the one with the mispelt name, according to some FP posters, and Julia said she had spoken to him around the time of the August arrests.

Thanks for the gambling house...
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« Reply #364 on: June 24, 2008, 01:49:50 PM »





 
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« Reply #365 on: June 24, 2008, 02:48:16 PM »

Thanks Poochy...Jaime's dad worked at the Wyndham, it is in his PV about picking his Dad up at 11PM...also the one with the mispelt name, according to some FP posters, and Julia said she had spoken to him around the time of the August arrests.

Thanks for the gambling house...


Mum - Thanks - totally forgot Jaime's dad worked at the Wyndham.

Follow the star (stellaris)- see the star logo on the link at their website http://www.stellariscasino.com/
Aruba Marriott Resort, Palm Beach, Aruba
This 'house' seems to be the 'largest' casino on Aruba. 
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« Reply #366 on: June 24, 2008, 03:25:29 PM »

Thanks Poochy...Jaime's dad worked at the Wyndham, it is in his PV about picking his Dad up at 11PM...also the one with the mispelt name, according to some FP posters, and Julia said she had spoken to him around the time of the August arrests.

Thanks for the gambling house...


Mum - Thanks - totally forgot Jaime's dad worked at the Wyndham.

Follow the star (stellaris)- see the star logo on the link at their website http://www.stellariscasino.com/
Aruba Marriott Resort, Palm Beach, Aruba
This 'house' seems to be the 'largest' casino on Aruba. 

Ah!...But is it the Star where the deadends meet?

Thought COLUMBO would have popped in by now! 

Link to the Arambatzis thread....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2973.new#new

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« Reply #367 on: June 24, 2008, 03:35:35 PM »

Wizard of Oz....follow the Yellow Brick Road... (of gold bricks the road is not paved (BRICKell ?))

2:31 PM
the grey whisper said...the talisman in his hand is running out of charms. the broomsticks are enchanted, but their master may regret the dance now that it has been set in motion.

Talisman "A talisman is a magical object you usually wear on a chain around your neck [bling bling]. The talisman's magic, unlike the amulet's, is not only warding off (repelling), but also proactive (performing magic), such as healing, alerting, spellsending, cursing etc. The magic is in the object and therefore never expires."

http://tinyurl.com/6blfv8

"... Could it be that our current methods of seeking the Good are based on a deceptive view of the Good, and even some times a deliberately deceptive view of the Good? Dorothy was sent to achieve a certain goalhaving been assured by the expert Wizard of Oz that once she obtained the witch’s broomstick she would win her trip home.This was a deception: the quest for the broomstick had nothing to do with her ability to gain the Good she sought, to gain her goal of a return to Kansas. Dorothy was lucky—she won her freedom—but only after she discovered the Wizard’s deception, only after she recognized that neither the Wizard nor the broomstick was a magic talisman with the power to grant her wish. She was amazed to find that she had always had the ability to achieve her goal. Her friends—the Lion, the Scarecrow, and the Tin Man—found that they had always been capable of what they had searched for all along—it just took some recognition by their own minds and hearts of their own capacities. The search for the broomstick had shown them all that they had hidden strengths and skills. (In this, I have always enjoyed this movie.) The author had deliberately written it that way. Dorothy went after the broomstick without any guarantee that it would work to get her home. There is nothing intrinsic about a broomstick—even a witch’s broomstick, which in fairy tales has all sorts of powers—nothing that made it obvious that it had the power to do what she wanted. She trusted the word of the “expert” Wizard. How much of the information we are given by “experts” is designed to induce behavior for motives we aren’t aware of. How many “broomsticks” are we all chasing? It turned out that Dorothy’s actions freed a lot of people from a tyranny—but there was nothing intrinsic in the story that could have given her that belief before she did it. Moreover, the only reason it ended that way was because the author, Baum, wrote it that way. It could just as easily ended that the broomstick itself gave the Wizard the power to enslave a lot of people, instead..."

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« Reply #368 on: June 24, 2008, 03:49:27 PM »

Those danged Florida connections...there they are again.
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« Reply #369 on: June 24, 2008, 04:06:08 PM »

Fine!  The fallen elder is not Paulus...Merian referred to him as the same...so I guess I am mistaken. To me, it is the only thing that fits at this point.  In context he was referenced as a failed judge, so when Shango said elder, at that point in time, which would be in June...Paulus was the person everyone was talking about on the FP comments.  Merian used the term also...so again...I am using the plain and simple version because Shango was speaking to posters from all over the world on the FP.  Remember Shango is the one that mentions the elders and how they run things on the island.  Simian began to use Shango's terms such as the difference between Sumerians and Arawaks. Obviously I am mistaken here but that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it for the time being.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
There will be sacrifice
Tribal elders worried
Bad wampum, many moons
Light the fires


Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking [/i]


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: Tuesdays have no character
All along the guards cried. The checkmate was a joke. The boy is a foul mouthed fool.

The elder drags his feet on the pavement. A shadow of his former self. The keys to the
palace have been taken from him, yet he still remembers the passage ways.





I'm with Mum on Paulass as the fallen elder.  He had been denied his judgeship.  Many threads ago, someone was working on Deutekom as Dirty Hand because everyone was afraid of him and he was powerful as a prosecuter.  The question that I have about "can't spell his name" is how he would have walked in all houses if we can't even get a picture of the dude?  If he walks in all houses, wouldn't he be known and recognized by a lot of people?

Poochy - have you run across this guy Deutekom in any of your research?
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« Reply #370 on: June 24, 2008, 04:20:49 PM »

Fine!  The fallen elder is not Paulus...Merian referred to him as the same...so I guess I am mistaken. To me, it is the only thing that fits at this point.  In context he was referenced as a failed judge, so when Shango said elder, at that point in time, which would be in June...Paulus was the person everyone was talking about on the FP comments.  Merian used the term also...so again...I am using the plain and simple version because Shango was speaking to posters from all over the world on the FP.  Remember Shango is the one that mentions the elders and how they run things on the island.  Simian began to use Shango's terms such as the difference between Sumerians and Arawaks. Obviously I am mistaken here but that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it for the time being.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
There will be sacrifice
Tribal elders worried
Bad wampum, many moons
Light the fires


Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking [/i]


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: Tuesdays have no character
All along the guards cried. The checkmate was a joke. The boy is a foul mouthed fool.

The elder drags his feet on the pavement. A shadow of his former self. The keys to the
palace have been taken from him, yet he still remembers the passage ways.





I'm with Mum on Paulass as the fallen elder.  He had been denied his judgeship.  Many threads ago, someone was working on Deutekom as Dirty Hand because everyone was afraid of him and he was powerful as a prosecuter.  The question that I have about "can't spell his name" is how he would have walked in all houses if we can't even get a picture of the dude?  If he walks in all houses, wouldn't he be known and recognized by a lot of people?

Poochy - have you run across this guy Deutekom in any of your research?

SS...not sure on Paulus...I am not very good at Shango...or Simian...or Mirian!

I am not surprised we haven't seen a pic of Deutekom, we may have been looking straight at him! We have heaps of pics from Aruba without names.

We only recently realised that there were two Ben Vockings...
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« Reply #371 on: June 24, 2008, 04:21:37 PM »

Poochy - we have three pieces of the Shango tale that we seem to keep going around and around with.  We seem to be stuck on Shango, the 5th suspect, and Dirty Hand.  After all of your research, who do you think these are?
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« Reply #372 on: June 24, 2008, 05:02:09 PM »


I'm with Mum on Paulass as the fallen elder.  He had been denied his judgeship.  Many threads ago, someone was working on Deutekom as Dirty Hand because everyone was afraid of him and he was powerful as a prosecuter.  The question that I have about "can't spell his name" is how he would have walked in all houses if we can't even get a picture of the dude?  If he walks in all houses, wouldn't he be known and recognized by a lot of people?

Poochy - have you run across this guy Deutekom in any of your research?

Sorry SS, first time I've heard of "Deutekom" is today.

If Houses = Casinos, who controls or oversees them on Aruba? A gaming or gambling commissioner who 'walks in all HOUSES'? 
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« Reply #373 on: June 24, 2008, 05:24:36 PM »


I'm with Mum on Paulass as the fallen elder.  He had been denied his judgeship.  Many threads ago, someone was working on Deutekom as Dirty Hand because everyone was afraid of him and he was powerful as a prosecuter.  The question that I have about "can't spell his name" is how he would have walked in all houses if we can't even get a picture of the dude?  If he walks in all houses, wouldn't he be known and recognized by a lot of people?

Poochy - have you run across this guy Deutekom in any of your research?

Sorry SS, first time I've heard of "Deutekom" is today.

If Houses = Casinos, who controls or oversees them on Aruba? A gaming or gambling commissioner who 'walks in all HOUSES'? 


I can't remember which one it is...either Judge Smid or Witt...and it will lead you back to the Halls of Justice...Which path?...



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« Reply #374 on: June 24, 2008, 05:40:08 PM »

Poochy - we have three pieces of the Shango tale that we seem to keep going around and around with.  We seem to be stuck on Shango, the 5th suspect, and Dirty Hand.  After all of your research, who do you think these are?


Dunno. My guess is as good as yours. Each codetalker hid their own agenda in their prose.

Who is Shango? If this was the 'ivy league, blue blooded, handicap of 12 codetalker', then my guess is it's Jossy's son who heard an earful about this case at the Mansur dinner table.   

Who is this 5th suspect? Someone we don't know, a hidden card. A gambler seen that week in the casino.  A "b'friend" from earlier in the week. The guy with Nat on the jewelry store cam. Someone with clout or parents have clout, international amnesty. A Prince, a US Senator's or governer's son as FBI and Condi Rice immediately let their presence be known, someone of that stature. Maybe someone who flew back to the US on the private jet.

Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Why hasn't a codetalker posted in all these months? They see us struggling. Did they get what they wanted? Chewed up tongue (and his little willie) bouncing around on the beach? 
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« Reply #375 on: June 24, 2008, 06:01:05 PM »

You guys are reading way too much into these cryptic messages.  The people they were talking to were plain and simple FP posters that knew things in varying degrees. Simian/Merian wanted that 5th suspect to be known, but for reasons I don't exactly know would never say the name.  It could have been because of fear. 

Shango clearly knew dirty hand and did not want to say who it was.  That is the way of a coward considering dirty hand could have solved this case and put the guilty in jail.  Shango showed up shortly after Simian  began implicating this other person 5th suspect.  What does that tell you?  It tells me that Shango knew this 5th person too and was trying to deflect blame from him/her. Why the need to do that?  The fussing between Simian and Shango is apparent and it's just as it is now...factions on Aruba vying for control of the island. Both of these posters were cowards if they knew all this stuff and spent all their time posting on an internet forum instead of going to the FBI with this info. 

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« Reply #376 on: June 24, 2008, 06:19:06 PM »

Poochy - we have three pieces of the Shango tale that we seem to keep going around and around with.  We seem to be stuck on Shango, the 5th suspect, and Dirty Hand.  After all of your research, who do you think these are?


Dunno. My guess is as good as yours. Each codetalker hid their own agenda in their prose.

Who is Shango? If this was the 'ivy league, blue blooded, handicap of 12 codetalker', then my guess is it's Jossy's son who heard an earful about this case at the Mansur dinner table.   

Who is this 5th suspect? Someone we don't know, a hidden card. A gambler seen that week in the casino.  A "b'friend" from earlier in the week. The guy with Nat on the jewelry store cam. Someone with clout or parents have clout, international amnesty. A Prince, a US Senator's or governer's son as FBI and Condi Rice immediately let their presence be known, someone of that stature. Maybe someone who flew back to the US on the private jet.

Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Why hasn't a codetalker posted in all these months? They see us struggling. Did they get what they wanted? Chewed up tongue (and his little willie) bouncing around on the beach? 



Thanks Poochy.  I've never been to Aruba, have you?  Where is Santa Marta?
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« Reply #377 on: June 24, 2008, 06:32:59 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?
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« Reply #378 on: June 24, 2008, 07:57:05 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?


Actually not all that far fetched. 

And actually you all may have cracked the code. 

if Babylon = Casinos

Study Revelations 18:

Lament Over Fallen Babylon

 
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  1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
       " 'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!' [a]
       She has become a dwelling for demons
       and a haunt for every evil spirit,
       a haunt for every unclean bird,
       a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.

    3 For all the nations have drunk
       the maddening wine of her adulteries.
       The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
       and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

http://www.ibs.org/bible/verse/?q=Revelation%2018

Casino Culture is a counter culture (sub).  Paulus and Joran (a judge and a spoiled minor) were given free access.  The Sicilian Mafia previously owned HI --- Posner was operating at the time -- but all the other casinos on the island would also be connected.  The hidden man may very well be Mafioso.  The ties to the top leaders of the country would be indesputable for if he were arrested and made to testify he would bring them all down --

So, start thinking of Babylon not as Holland -- but as the Casino world.  It fits pretty dramatically IMO....
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« Reply #379 on: June 24, 2008, 08:21:57 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?



never thought of that........

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