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« Reply #380 on: June 24, 2008, 08:33:04 PM »

A Casino is also called a Gambling HOUSE. So if we look at HOUSE as a Casino, a simple party at his 'house' would be a party at HIS (the owners') casino. Then the 'cars of the house' could be taxi's or limos that bring the high rollers from the airport to the hotel/casino. 

Maybe "THE GAME" is all the cheating and money laundering taking place inside the casinos as the watchtower centries are sleeping.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was [there] “the whole time.”

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk. [Maybe this was not Paulus, but the 'other father'-the casino owner?]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block [the judge] The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze. No loot, but many answers. Better twisted hallways than fallen houses. Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching. we must have a sacrifice. Light the fires!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat. Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden. Babylon scared of DirtyHand. Arawaks scared of DirtyHand. If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy. If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy. Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House. Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house, and so DirtyHand was discovered. But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings. He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist. doors to eden remain closed. The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty. Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand. If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons. DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon. Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home ….without the loot

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path to the house of Rave, while of gold bricks the road is not paved, answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA .

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played. if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation. the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made. Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles. cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood. The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders.

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses.  houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave.  He can break the alibi.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon. the girl knew this. Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon. But not to satiate desire.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild, the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin. All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await. But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
Mary ROLLED through the Maze. There is more than one house of music. the Lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions in the place of darkness house of secrets

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys. DirtyHand knows. Simian knows. The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day. Shango said no two times. Is Simian a DirtyHand too. Has the Simian played with the lions in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


poison notes.....credit limits?


play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak....note the reference to playing cards! not a card game:
-the arawaks (cops) hold the singing card
-there is also a trio

play/game:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
p.4  Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

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« Reply #381 on: June 24, 2008, 08:38:52 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?



never thought of that........




and I guess you missed my post about the Wyndham,  too?
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« Reply #382 on: June 24, 2008, 08:41:47 PM »

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes casino that employed eighteen full-time people (all "well-fed") to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. (lions which "play") Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown (dirty hand), whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot.
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« Reply #383 on: June 24, 2008, 08:46:51 PM »

According to the lore Babylon was the sinful city: drugs, prostitution, drinking and drugs and gambling.

Shango skillfully separated cultures.  Arawaks (the locals) Cowboys (Americans or other westerners) Babylonians (Casino culture), etc., etc.

If you take the riddles and read them with that understanding then a different, albeit more sinister, meaning starts to unfold.

All roads lead back to the casinos.

1. private party
2. mules are sent to retrieve a package -- probably for the pleasure of an elder or group of elders
3. package is delivered (may possibly be 'wrong package' - but delivered all the same
4. party went on and something bad happened
5. the mules (including the father as part of the selection committee) have to come up with alibi as they were last to be seen with the package
6. the Babylonians have to dispose of the 'evidence' and seeing as though they already are very skilled in that vocational endeavor they do so
7. alibis are hurriedly put together
8. unbeknownst to those players enforcement and intelligent agencies were monitoring what was going on -- this complicated things
9. Babylonians are hiding and trying to protect one or more 'persons of interest'

All the pieces start to fit together then.  Judges who suddenly reverse their rulings as soon as they leave the island.  Proscutors and ALE suddenly lose evidence (conveniently) including interrogations, etc.

Payoffs...intimidations...and combinations of the two

Now from a historical look back....

The Sicilian Mafia with the likes of Scarface assisted US forces during WWII --- It is said the American-Sicilian Mafia intervened and assisted in Bay of Pigs and other Cuban infiltration efforts during the 60's.  It is said that the famous 'Fruit' company issues of South American during the 50s, 60s, 70s et al were all tied, somehow to the same group.  Assasinations tooks place, governments were overthrown, etc., etc.

I believe Shango was telling us that Babylonia was the City of Casinos and this is why he became angered at Simian when he accused him of basically being tainted by same corruptive forces.

It would make sense that Shango would make some Biblical references -- And while most folks were concentrating on making Holland, Babylon it was right there the whole time including other terms like sacrificial lamb, mary, etc....

Babylon = casinos = city of sin and evil
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« Reply #384 on: June 24, 2008, 09:27:02 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?



never thought of that........




and I guess you missed my post about the Wyndham,  too?

They are all tied and linked together.
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« Reply #385 on: June 24, 2008, 09:31:41 PM »

Ca$ino:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2tNAUUh0Dw&feature=related
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« Reply #386 on: June 24, 2008, 09:32:11 PM »

What if Babylon is casinos?


Actually not all that far fetched. 

And actually you all may have cracked the code. 

if Babylon = Casinos

Study Revelations 18:

Lament Over Fallen Babylon

 
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  1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
       " 'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!' [a]
       She has become a dwelling for demons
       and a haunt for every evil spirit,
       a haunt for every unclean bird,
       a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.

    3 For all the nations have drunk
       the maddening wine of her adulteries.
       The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
       and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

http://www.ibs.org/bible/verse/?q=Revelation%2018

Casino Culture is a counter culture (sub).  Paulus and Joran (a judge and a spoiled minor) were given free access.  The Sicilian Mafia previously owned HI --- Posner was operating at the time -- but all the other casinos on the island would also be connected.  The hidden man may very well be Mafioso.  The ties to the top leaders of the country would be indesputable for if he were arrested and made to testify he would bring them all down --

So, start thinking of Babylon not as Holland -- but as the Casino world.  It fits pretty dramatically IMO....

casinos connect to CMB
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« Reply #387 on: June 24, 2008, 09:35:47 PM »

native Arubans=Indians

arawaks hold the singing card
there is also a trio
arawaks can't let babylonian card sing
because hand holding it dirty too

dirty hand

a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis
to spare the teepees
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« Reply #388 on: June 24, 2008, 09:37:59 PM »


Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Poochy, we really need to know if Carlos Ledher is alive or dead.
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« Reply #389 on: June 24, 2008, 09:41:59 PM »

It makes perfect sense..Prostitution,The Mob,Money,Laundering and Drugs..All affiliated with the casino's and the people involved in this case.
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« Reply #390 on: June 24, 2008, 10:00:08 PM »

"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja."
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Zedan Arambatzis – age 21 in 2005
Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. (source:p. 1 Jorans book)
Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. (source: p. 1 Joran's book)
Freddy's English sucked (source p. 5 Joran's book)
I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago.(source: June 12 Freddy's statement as written in Joran's book)
Freddy lives behind Joran.( D-6/11)

19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


I have been thinking about Freddy, the light skinned Latino, from Venezuela, that only spoke Pap, while working on the Arambatzis post!

If Joran is speaking the truth, for once, his 'Freddy' is probably Aruban. But if Freddy Zedan was Venezuela he probably didn't speak Pap!

The Language
Spanish is the main language of Venezuela. However, Venezuelan Spanish differs in pronounciation from the Spanish spoken in Spain. There are also some variations in vocabulary. Venezuelans call their language castellano.

Arubagirl couldn't find 'Freddy's' house when he was arrested in August of 2005, Caps couldn't find 'Freddy's' house in 2008.



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« Reply #391 on: June 24, 2008, 10:05:06 PM »

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes casino that employed eighteen full-time people (all "well-fed") to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. (lions which "play") Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown (dirty hand), whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot.



COLUMBO...Do you have Michael Posner's full name and aliases? If I need a break from Florida, I would like to visit Chicago. TIA   
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« Reply #392 on: June 24, 2008, 10:12:57 PM »


Thanks Poochy.  I've never been to Aruba, have you?  Where is Santa Marta?

Merian Ernest   7/13/05 5:51 pm
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack [HOOIBERG]. Find Santa Marta [SEE BELOW]. Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about. Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch…grid by grid.

Merian Ernest 7/26/05 3:51pm
The Multi fractions spell democracy to the Simian. The tyranny of duality does not live in the conuco. Yes or no are not the only answers.  Pick up the pieces and make an island. Only the one who chopped it down understands. Sell your convictions to try and understand. Start anew, a new man. Who says the one who broke is the one who knows? Look by the haystack [HOOIBERG] in the small hours. They live in the conuco, but they are the only ones who can open the palace doors. The federales should be careful not to grease the palace floors. The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.  The checkmate is the same the tables might have turned. There are no donkeys or mules in chess only horses.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Marta_%28disambiguation%29

Real-world Communities
Colombia
Santa Marta, Magdalena department
Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta

Mexico
Santa Marta, Baja California Sur
Santa Marta, Sonora
Metro Santa Marta, a station on the Mexico City Metro

Portugal
Santa Marta de Penaguião
Santa Marta de Portuzelo

Spain
Santa Marta, Badajoz
Santa Marta del Cerro, Segovia
Santa Marta de Tormes, Salamanca
Santa Marta de Magasca, Cáceres province
Cubillas de Santa Marta, Valladolid province

United States
Santa Marta, Florida: former name of Key Biscayne

Fictional Communities
United States
Santa Marta (comics): a fictional city in the DC Comics fictional universe
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Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:14 am
The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko.
The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out.

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:33 am
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots.
The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.
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« Reply #393 on: June 24, 2008, 10:24:46 PM »

native Arubans=Indians

arawaks hold the singing card
there is also a trio
arawaks can't let babylonian card sing
because hand holding it dirty too

dirty hand

a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis
to spare the teepees

YUP -
Native Aruban = Arawak.
Babylonian singing card = Casino owner/worker
Trio = 1 Joran + 2 Kalpoes
Aruban Hand Holding Him = Cop, or mob thug

Native Arubans HOLD the Casino owner/worker.
There is ALSO the trio of Joran and 2 Kalpoes.

Native Arubans can't let casino owner/worker talk because the COP/Mob thug holding him is dirty too.

So, Joran, the sacrifice, will be made to spare the dirty ARUBAN COP/Mob thug , who is in turn holding the Casino owner/worker. 

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« Reply #394 on: June 24, 2008, 10:31:18 PM »

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html
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"...The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot.

Colombo - when I read this I got a few things from it. 1) The answer lies on the 'whispering wind' which we all know is the STAIRWAY, 2) trunk of a car  3) Holiday Inn parking lot, 4) a King could be a KINGPIN and 5) There was a Bobby Plummer chaperone on the MB Aruba trip --what a small world).
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« Reply #395 on: June 24, 2008, 10:42:04 PM »


YUP again. Bingo!

Check this out:

http://tinyurl.com/573cyw
Frederick H. Dulles   (a few of his many 'accomplishments'):
• Completed the acquisition of a Russian hotel-casino project for American investors, including due diligence investigations with provincial government officials in Sakhalin and arranging for the sellers to acquire shares in a U.S. public company.
Established a casino joint venture in Suriname, set up an Aruba joint venture company, prepared and negotiated the joint venture and casino management agreements.
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« Reply #396 on: June 24, 2008, 11:46:10 PM »

"Eye in the Sky" is referenced in that Casino movie -- part 3.

"Eye in the Sky" = Casino Camera (control room)
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« Reply #397 on: June 25, 2008, 06:29:26 AM »

You guys are reading way too much into these cryptic messages.  The people they were talking to were plain and simple FP posters that knew things in varying degrees. Simian/Merian wanted that 5th suspect to be known, but for reasons I don't exactly know would never say the name.  It could have been because of fear. 

Shango clearly knew dirty hand and did not want to say who it was.  That is the way of a coward considering dirty hand could have solved this case and put the guilty in jail.  Shango showed up shortly after Simian  began implicating this other person 5th suspect.  What does that tell you?  It tells me that Shango knew this 5th person too and was trying to deflect blame from him/her. Why the need to do that?  The fussing between Simian and Shango is apparent and it's just as it is now...factions on Aruba vying for control of the island. Both of these posters were cowards if they knew all this stuff and spent all their time posting on an internet forum instead of going to the FBI with this info. 

whose 5th suspect: ALE's or the prosecutor's?

an official/detained suspect reported in the media
or simply someone who set off the hinkymeter?

I doubt that we'll ever know

IMO, sim's predictions re the quarry search
also played a part in shango's first appearance
(as shango, anyway)

also IMO, the context of events
fuels the context of the posts

some of what simian said was obviously misleading ...
both in terms of logic and what we now know
and that may have been of his/her own free will

"Who said they all had sex with her. Nobody did as far as I know" ...
sounded iffy but believable on June 22

sex is a major motive in missing/murdered females cases ...
perhaps the intent was: we will not play up the sex angle here,
no telling where it may lead

the final sim/shango conversations revolve around
sim predicting and shango saying "slow down" ...
ending up w/ sim being wrong/shango saying "told you so"

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Steve Croes is singing.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am 
Anybody want a blessing from Saint Alibi?


if sim was somehow tied to Steve Croes,
perhaps posts were used to slant suspicion away from him
and suggest that he was dragged into something

sim very/very seldom mentions Steve
and appears sympathetic when mention is made ...
while beating fairly hard/steady on the Lorenzo/? drum

the back beat is the alibi, the alibi, break the alibi

sim's source, whether ALE or prosecutor's office,
knew some/not all of the truth
and was blind to the depth of the cover-up

simian was led to believe that he/she was an "insider"
and that was true, to a degree ...
sim's postings served someone's purpose
or they would have been stopped or discredited

#1 the plan was to have the body recovered
in the waters of the quarry
but for whatever reasons that changed:
too much violence done to the body
or just plain wanting to stonewall,
insisting it can/will blow over eventually:
no body no case

or

#2 recovering the body in the quarry
was never really the plan:
a good way to find a leak is to plant false info
and then see who runs w/ it

Sat June 25
7:59 pm simian:
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk.


names morph thru cultures/languages.
Jan van der Straaten: Jan = Johannes = John

when the codetalkers say something
is as important as what they say:
shango's first post comes the day before the quarry search,
the day of the double cross

Sun June 26
Paulus is released & goes home.
Steve Croes' release is ordered
but he doesn't walk out until the next morning

2:58 pm simian:
The music man’s song was not on the bill
=
Steve Croes stepping forward w/ alibi was a rogue move,
unanticipated by those in charge

3:09 pm shango:
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
=
"I'm here and I know as much as you do, perhaps more ...
please enlighten our readers"

3:18 pm simian:
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

3:18 pm shango:
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door?

3:26 pm shango:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key, the door never existed.

3:30 pm shango:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks.

3:33 pm shango:
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist.

3:40 pm shango:
The key does not exist .


the message is that the plan has changed,
something did not happen as anticipated,
which simian refuses to believe

4:04 pm simian:
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.


Paulus is released, a fact not announced to the media for 2 more hours
and then simian is silent for hours
 
shango lays out that Joran will take the fall, in that,
even w/o a body as proof of murder,
he will forever be known as the one last seen w/ Natalee

4:12 pm shango:
The key to edens door did not exist. The refrain has already begun.

4:50 pm shango:
We must have a sacrifice. Hide dirty hand. Light the fires!

4:55 pm shango:
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls. We must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys. They go back to the fort with no loot.

4:58 pm shango:
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.

No loot, but many answers. Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.

5:02 pm shango:
Do not listen to cowgirls who cast shadows on the walls of doubt…. There will be a sacrifice. The cowboys will be happy. The house of Babylon won’t fall and crush the teepees. There will be a sacrifice. Soon many will see smoke signals. Cowboys will go back to fort. But first we need the sacrifice.

5:04 pm shango:
Prepare the fires. We need a sacrifice A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot.
 
5:51 pm ConcernedUK:
Does Shango liaise with Simian?
 
6:30 pm shango:
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers.

8:04 pm shango:
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys. All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat. The gods are talking. DirtyHand is alive and well.


hours later, sim returns, referring to Paulus/saying "I was right" ...
what has simian been told?

there is no loss of confidence, simian is insistent.
sim/shango continue to disagree over tomorrow's outcome

they respond quickly to each other, nearly ignoring the other posters.
any gaps between their back/forth are filled w/ shango's posts,
one after another

9:27 pm simian:
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused.

The Simian said to not shake the wire, 'cause the bird would fly away. The Simian would never pose.

Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

9:30 pm shango:
Who knows what song the elder will sing.

9:32 pm shango:
His lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder. Remember dirtyhand!

9:34 pm shango:
The struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden. The arawaks awaited the key.

His lordship said no. The door to eden remains closed. They are preparing the fire.

9:36 pm simian:
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

9:43 pm shango:
Did the babylonians like to make movies? From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

9:48 pm simian:
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal. So who heeded his call? Who switched places? People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.

10:24 pm simian:
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.

The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes. This is all a “lugubrious game” to them.

They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.

10:26 pm simian:
The Simian only speaks for himself.

10:56 pm shango:
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden.

10:59 pm simian:
The package is still due.

11:01 pm simian:
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed.

11:05 pm shango:
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

11:09 pm simian:
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied.

They do not own the hammer nor the block. The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.

The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax.

He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.


simian's source is the whisperer ...
sim is saying the info is recent/reliable

11:12 pm shango:
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed.
 
11:19 pm simian:
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.

11:23 pm simian:
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.


obviously not Steve Croes ... hmmm, or was it?
simian never points in his direction:
deflection or honest defense?

11:37 pm simian:
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl? This is unbelievable. The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers. That will need to happen tomorrow. The Simian is leaving.

12:39 am simian:
Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.


still confident that the source is correct
and the body will be recovered tomorrow

12:54 am simian:
I am leaving. I am done.


Mon June 27 the day of the quarry search
there was much discussion of the DirtyHand clues
and casino ownership/arabs were brought up.
ConcernedUK became confused & posted:

Very disjointed.
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving, but bigger than, Natalee missing.
Arabs are related to this Island????
Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??
Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?

 
Babalu answered and it seems pretty cut/dried IMO:
Babalu says chief of polis/Lucy's later post says polis.
shango repeatedly gives both posts a
LOOK AT THIS, THREADSURFERS

12:30 am Babalu:
ConcernedUK, no, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says.So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

4:00 am shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting.


there are late-morning reports that 2 search dogs have "hit"

5 hour break: no sim/no shango ...
then genuine sim interspersed w/ poser sim:

9:13 am simian:
Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence. The cowboys are looking everywhere, but the land and waters hold many secrets. The Babylonians need to keep an eye on the cowboys. The process muct be protected. The ravers need to be pinched.

10:51 am simian:
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.

10:59 am simian:
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen. The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

11:14 am simian:
The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko. The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out

11:33 am simian:
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots.

The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce. Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.

11:37 am simian:
Her decapitated body to be found. Her head to wash up on shore later.

11:39 am simian:
Why does anyone want to be the Simian’s doppelganger. The Simian finds that to be counter productive.

11:46 am simian:
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however and would like to stay and speak.

11:58 am simian:
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one. I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later.

12:08 pm simian: 
THEY FOUND HER BODY!!


simian then makes a few posts in spanish,
similar in meaning/translation of one is:

12:11 pm
he said to keep watching the news, and that he apologizes for the confusion, but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him


shango has been silent all morning
until simian/or doppelganger announces the body is found, then:

12:12 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.
 
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found

12:26 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.

Simian your Doppleganger is with us

12:28 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting


shango knows the body will not be found,
simian is unaware of this ...
shango repeatedly refers to Babalu's DH/polis post

we watch tv, waiting for results of the search,
nothing comes ... simian/shango are silent for 8 hours until:

9:41 pm shango:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

9:44 pm shango:
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:30 A.M. Post. DirtyHand is alive

9:46 pm shango:
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered

9:48 pm shango:
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

10:30 pm drax:
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles= they weren’t on the beach?

10:32 pm shango:
THE DRAX SCORES

10:45 pm shango:
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers.
 
10:56 pm Lucy:
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

10:57 pm drax:
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

11:01 pm shango:
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer

11:04 pm shango:
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post.

11:13 pm shango:
Lucy spoke at 10:56.

11:48 pm shango:
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague. I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen.

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus
 
11:52 pm shango:
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions. Without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys, they will leave without loot.


we haven't heard from simian for 12 hours ...
no body recovered/no posts from simian
until finally, well after midnight:

12:04 am shango:
The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
backs turned to the maze
never hearing a single note
from the poison song

12:09 am subdude:
Raves as in XTC parties.

12:11 am shango:
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs.
 
12:14 am shango:
How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes.
 
12:14 am Yliana:
And of course you have what we call the mobile pharmacies.

12:18 am Big Pappy:
Yliana, Can you name some places immediately associated with music and young people on the island other than the bars?

12:22 am Yliana:
pappy - we don’t have many places like that - kids usually hang out on the streets or in clubs because there are no other places to hang out. Oh, I forgot a big one - Moomba beach - (near Holiday Inn) - oooh a big one!

12:23 am shango:
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

12:23 am subdude:
Yliana: Why a big one?

12:26 am Yliana:
Subdude - Moomba beach is near the beach under the dark skies and it’s known that bartenders serve more than drinks. Especially when it’s full moon party night.
 
12:28 am shango:
Not all lions leave their den.

12:30 am Yliana:
Most of the cafes are Dutch owned. The Paddock and the Black Hog Saloon are two wild places where the Dutch frequent - not much of a young crowd though. Clubs in hotels come to mind too.

12:34 am Yliana:
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen.
 
12:34 am subdude:
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I believe.Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.
 
12:35 am Yliana:
But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night in a country house. It was after all Tuesday!


she's half-right: it was a school night but not a tuesday

12:37 am shango:
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon

do not stray from your paths

you hold the key in hand

12:39 am shango:
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

1:05 am subdude:
Yliana, Shango mentioned we had opened windows to the heart of Babylon just after our exchange regarding countryhouses. Dutch kids and Arubans meeting out in the country thinking no one noticed. Country house of the dealers which the police chief has been in.

Shango?
 
1:11 am shango:
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

1:19 am jetline:
Shango, Do you know all of this because you were at the rave and witnessed what happened to Natalee or did someone else at the rave witness what happened and confide in you? Either way you need to report this to the appropriate authorities. If your story happens to be true and you knew it all along, you could be facing serious criminal charges. Otherwise, I think it is safe to assume that you are playing some kind of sick game and leading all readers on a wild goose chase. If the latter is true, I think your IP should be blocked.

1:32 am shango:
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there.
 
1:43 am simian: 
The Simian has a handicap of 12.

1:52 am simian:
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
 
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.

All things must pass.

1:55 am shango:
Find the music. Only David left the den alive

2:01 am simian:
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping. Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out.


8 days = Steve Croes' incarceration, give/take a day

2:09 am simian:
The Simian is disappointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but likes to say he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.

Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.


obviously, you can only report ahead of time
if you know what is supposed to happen.
"seeing how this has been used to foul"
refers to being misled/lied to/used

2:13 am Robalo33:
someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.

u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

2:15 am: Robalo33:
also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

2:16 am Robalo33:
what has simeon said that came out true?

2:18 am simian:
f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

2:21 am simian:
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.

No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.

 
translation: I will not be mocked. I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme.  They [are] believe[d], but should not [be].

2:21 am Robalo33:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian.

 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

2:23 am Robalo33:
Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

 
translation: Simian you still do not speak anything true, is it always the same with you, bitch?

2:23 am shango:
?

2:24 am shango:
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

2:27 am shango:
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream.
 
2:28 am simian:
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
 
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.


translation: You're the bitch, asshole.  I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you do not understand and think that everything is solved, being a foreigner.  I do not make predictions and I never knew what happened that night.

I don't understand what you're saying. You think I'm a woman? Life is not what you think it is.

2:32 am simian:
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.

Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.


translation: Shango, get real, do not place yourself at the center. The things you say today can cause sorrow tomorrow. Close your mouth and do not talk of things you know nothing about. Go to sleep, it is late.

Many people are reading the things you are writing. They arrive/appear at the door of your house tomorrow, not spanta.

2:38 am Chimes:
The Simian and authentic others speak the language of Idiom:

A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements, as in keep tabs on.

2:45 am shango:
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate.

2:50 am simian:
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…

2:50 am shango:
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions
dirty hand knows
the elder knows
and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders

2:53 am simian:
Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.

You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.


translation: Go to sleep! It is late.

2:59 am shango:
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys

DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

3:02 am simian:
Yo solo trato de pasar informacion antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.

Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.

Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.


translation: I just try to pass information before it is presented in the news. First, because they do not say as they must in Fox News or Cnn. [more like: Mainly, because they do not report it as they should on Fox/CNN]

However now I encounter an idiot/am seen as an idiot to make/be making predictions of things we do not know. At the same time, clearly, I don't know, not having been there. Once again I only pass information I have from people who are connected in Aruban society.

I am very upset to read today as this idiot calling itself Shango is playing with the feelings of these gringos and at the same time Nancy Grace talks about situations that she does not even understand.

3:06 am shango:
Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect

His lordship brought nothing from the Hague

the simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an insider.

3:10 am simian:
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
 
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.

3:37 am Chimes:
if indeed you receive and you transmit info before that arrives at the news, she can make all the predictions that she wants, but the intelligent people who believe in facts and nonmisticismo, do not put much attention to him (although she entertains.) Papiamento 101.


Tues June 28 the day following the quarry search.
posters kept asking each other "where is sim, where is shango?"

8:02 am jacqueline:
Did anyone see interview Greta did with the fellow who is helping with the search in the quarry? He too, had lost a child and authorities did not find her body until a year later. Anyway he commented something to the effect that yes, they may have hit something big and need to do more searching. This is the closest affirmation I have heard on news that they may indeed have found NH or perhaps someone else.

10:17 am simian:
hello news from the seas will rise today


has simian now been told that the body is in the ocean?

11:14 am Lucy:
*******
According to what has been said, he is not Colombian, he is from Aruba, but has connections with the Colombians. He is supposed to be filmed on the Holiday Inn’s video of the kaseeno. But, he supposedly has an “air tight alibi”, because a group of friends stated that he was at home with them.

This guy is from an area called Savaneta and is called Lorenzo.

12:00 pm Concerned:
What happened to the Diario correspondent who was following a vessel trying to remove a “group” from Aruba to the mainland? He called into Fox live. His name was Hubert, I believe. His name is on the Diario’s website.

12:11 pm Concerned:
As I was saying @ 1195-
What happened to the Diario correspondent who was following a vessel trying to remove a “group” from Aruba to the mainland? He called into Fox live. His name was Hubert, I believe. His name is on the Diario’s website.

Any ideas??

12:31 pm Concerned:
Does anyone know what is going on with the Diario reporter (Hubert?) who was following a group trying to get off Aruba to S. America? He called into FOX live last week? After that live phone call, nothing was mentioned again. I checked Diario’s site and his name was credible.

1:16 pm big pappy:
Last night Shango talked of finding natalee only if the cowboys refuse the peace pipe. Some of us took this to mean “refuse to just accept the body” when it’s found and stay to continue probing to get to the bottom of who actually did it. I’m wondering now if it does not mean some type of deal or plea bargain or something. Also mention that the “cowboys would smile” with their “backs to the maze” where all the crazy stuff went down. Makes it seem that the team will find what they are looking for, but if they don’t stay and push, we won’t ever know where the crime happened or what happened.

1:20 pm big pappy:
Larry, could be, but I thought both were mentioned in the post. I wanted to take all of Shangos stuff and get it in one document to review but needed to sleep!

1:31 pm simian:
Tides are high

1:33 pm kris:
Simian–
What’s going on?

1:34 pm checkme:
gttg. ltr.

1:34 pm Lucy:
Simian
Eres tu de verdad?

1:35 pm checkme
Hey, Lucy, on my way out. You OK?

1:37 pm kris:
I’m outa here guys–Talk to ya later

Thanks for the bud light MOM.

Be kind

1:38 pm Lucy:
Yes, and you? See you tonight or later.

1:39 pm Larry:
Papa—
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder

1:41 pm checkme:
Lucy, we will talk tonite.

Good to read you Kristin. I am happy the local system showed not to cover anything up.

1:42 pm kristen:
checkme,
why did simian say they found her body?

1:44 pm checkme:
Simian does not always say the Truth. The double makes it harder to read him sometimes.

1:48 pm MOMfromMO:
Checkme:
I find most everything Sim says, hard to swallow. I respect that many on here, thinks he preaches the ‘gospel’, but I’m not a very naive person. Open-minded, yes.

But you’re right. The “double” makes it more difficult.

1:51 pm Lucy:
Simian also gets a little paranoid, about his identity being compromised. But the Simian now here is not the real one, because Simian #1 knows Spanish and this one doesn’t.

2:17 pm KatCAll:
Where is Yliana, Simian and Checkme? We need you!

2:19 pm Lucy:
Yliana is probably sleeping. She was on until the early hours and then on again in the morning.

Simian is protecting his identity.

Checkme checked-in a while back, Said goodbye until tonight.

9:23 pm AnnaMaria:
Thanks, Lucy, re: Simian and faux-Simian. But it wasn’t him, actually. It was someone who posted on the SM forum about Lorenzo when he was questioned and released— said Lorenzo hosted many parties afterhours because one of his houses was off the beaten path where the cops usually couldn’t hear the music from the road. . .

You know, Ruben T. is in one of those pictures at the Aruban after party at the rave site. Maybe that’s nomal Aruba stuff - but if it was any official in the US, he’d be splashed all over the Enquirer the following week.

10:36 pm dcburgh:
that aruban lawyer was pretty hot

10:37 pm scaredshitless:
That Arlene lawyer from Aruba is strikingly beautiful. But that Marianne Croes person is a nerdy yuck……

10:38 pm checkme:
People, I must leave you… Still have to do some things in the house… very sorry. Hope to cu tmrw. Amor i Luz

10:39 pm checkme:
Arlene is cool. Maintain respect, I know her very well.

10:41 pm newgirl:
Oh no, Checkme, don’t go! I’m sad. I wanted to ask more about what you meant by this: There are few people who fall outside a family-social-control circle here in Aruba. LvR is one of them.

10:48 pm checkme:
new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
That’s what I meant.

10:50 pm new girl:
Wow, checkme. The guy sounds like trouble. Where’s LvR’s mother? Is she out of the picture?

10:52 pm checkme:
His mom is totally out of it.


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« Reply #398 on: June 25, 2008, 06:48:34 AM »

"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja."
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Zedan Arambatzis – age 21 in 2005
Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. (source:p. 1 Jorans book)
Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. (source: p. 1 Joran's book)
Freddy's English sucked (source p. 5 Joran's book)
I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago.(source: June 12 Freddy's statement as written in Joran's book)
Freddy lives behind Joran. (D-6/11)

19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

I have been thinking about Freddy, the light skinned Latino, from Venezuela, that only spoke Pap, while working on the Arambatzis post!

If Joran is speaking the truth, for once, his 'Freddy' is probably Aruban. But if Freddy Zedan was Venezuela he probably didn't speak Pap!

The Language
Spanish is the main language of Venezuela. However, Venezuelan Spanish differs in pronounciation from the Spanish spoken in Spain. There are also some variations in vocabulary. Venezuelans call their language castellano.

Arubagirl couldn't find 'Freddy's' house when he was arrested in August of 2005, Caps couldn't find 'Freddy's' house in 2008.

so what happened to Freddy's Montanja 39-F addy ...
listed in the buki di during august 2005?

sometimes I feel like someone has re-arranged the furniture
while I was sleeping and I wake up/head for the light switch
and stumble into something that wasn't in the way last night

we had real estate/for sale photos at one time
showing the Montanja townhouses numbered 39A thru G or H

couldn't find/didn't want to find: two different things

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« Reply #399 on: June 25, 2008, 07:21:58 AM »

Finn...

Quote Finn….
if sim was somehow tied to Steve Croes,
perhaps posts were used to slant suspicion away from him
and suggest that he was dragged into something

sim very/very seldom mentions Steve
and appears sympathetic when mention is made ...
while beating fairly hard/steady on the Lorenzo/? Drum



I believe they were cousins…

Simian/Mirian pointed to Freddy to protect Steve

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