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« Reply #400 on: June 25, 2008, 07:38:31 AM »

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy...I think the Montanja address was more his mother's address than his.  Kermit keeps leading us to the Catiri address anytime we venture to the Montanja address.  I may not have very good instincts about Shango but Kermit is usually right on target when he says something.  Freddy was supposed to be at Joran's that night.  The only reason he would have been there was to make a video.  Freddy was way too old to be having a sleepover with Joran...unless sleeping with someone was involved. JMO

Right Mum!

Simian protects Steve.
Shango protects Freddy.
Now put it together and you have your answers. Albeit, that involves a whole host of other people down the line.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #401 on: June 25, 2008, 08:06:40 AM »

"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja."
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Zedan Arambatzis – age 21 in 2005
Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. (source:p. 1 Jorans book)
Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. (source: p. 1 Joran's book)
Freddy's English sucked (source p. 5 Joran's book)
I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago.(source: June 12 Freddy's statement as written in Joran's book)
Freddy lives behind Joran. (D-6/11)

19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

I have been thinking about Freddy, the light skinned Latino, from Venezuela, that only spoke Pap, while working on the Arambatzis post!

If Joran is speaking the truth, for once, his 'Freddy' is probably Aruban. But if Freddy Zedan was Venezuela he probably didn't speak Pap!

The Language
Spanish is the main language of Venezuela. However, Venezuelan Spanish differs in pronounciation from the Spanish spoken in Spain. There are also some variations in vocabulary. Venezuelans call their language castellano.

Arubagirl couldn't find 'Freddy's' house when he was arrested in August of 2005, Caps couldn't find 'Freddy's' house in 2008.

so what happened to Freddy's Montanja 39-F addy ...
listed in the buki di during august 2005?

sometimes I feel like someone has re-arranged the furniture
while I was sleeping and I wake up/head for the light switch
and stumble into something that wasn't in the way last night

we had real estate/for sale photos at one time
showing the Montanja townhouses numbered 39A thru G or H

couldn't find/didn't want to find: two different things

 Rolling Eyes




Hi Finn….Any info on the address would be appreciated….TIA

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis  aka Arends

For Lilian to have retained the Arambatzis once she married Mr Rodriguez, I would think it was her maiden name. She was listed as Dutch in the Chamber records for 2004 – this means she was either born in Holland or is Aruban, thus considered Dutch.

From research, the only Arambatzis found connected to Venezuela – Robby and Mayra Smalley. From Aruba – Lilian and Robby. (doing some more checking on this Robby to see if he is possibly the Robby from Venezuela). Caps’ database from Aruba, Zedan=0…Arambatzis=2

It appears the Arambatzis is a Greek name, and Mayra lived in Venezuela, daughter of a Greek father and a Dutch mother. Mayra is listed as white, and if in fact she is Ernesto’s mother, he may have been born out of wedlock in Venezuela, thus his being listed as Hispanic/Latino…Unless we can come up with another Arambatzis family in Venezuela, or a connection through the names below, neither Lilian or Freddy ‘fit’! (Minor point…I have not found that Pap is spoken in Venezuela, therefore the statement that Freddy is a light skinned Latino that only speaks Pap, is not possible if he is from Venezuela. Spanish is spoken there.)

Possible connections remaining between Freddy and Ernesto…IMO

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA

ARAMBATZIS PEREZ ROBBY GERARDUS – 51 years old-Venezuela

Arambatzis,Perez Bradenton, FL ... This is a listed address for Ernesto

Lilian Zedan – Los Angeles

Zedan – Florida

Rodriguez – through Sasha

Ramirez – may have a Venezuelan link to Ernesto

Prada...still looking


Link to research on the Arambatzis name…I would love for some-one to tie Freddy in with Ernesto, but with the info we had, weren't able to connect those dots!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2973.0



       




         
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« Reply #402 on: June 25, 2008, 08:07:33 AM »

Bablyon and casinos go together.  If you operate from the premise that Shango is mainly written to expose the entire gambling, drugs, porn situation on Aruba and how it connects to this case, the pieces will fall into place.  Shango was a response to Simian's information.  Simian and Checkme and even Shockthemonkey were giving out info that only leaks or those close to the investigation could have known.  As Finn girl has so astutely pointed out in context. The conversations of Shango were to get the FP posters attention away from the Simian/Checkme posts.  It is interesting when you read them to see that inkling of jealousy between them. 

For example:

Simian is hearing that J2k is implicating Steve Croes as being involved in this and Steve is part of your family...do you sit by and let it happen or do you try to tell someone that they shouldn't just look at your relatives but they should take a look at a person that was involved and has done this for a long time? So Simian says, "Hey, there is another person here and it is not my cousin/friend/family.  This is the person that can tell you what happened. He was at Joran's that night...he makes all the videos on the island or he makes the videos for another big player in this game.  I won't tolerate the PTB placing all the blame on my family/friend/cousin this time."

Then Shango watches this for a while and thinks, "Oops!  They are going to hang this on my brother/cousin/family now, because this Simian guy is telling them about what the ALE is thinking."  Shango knows there is a bigger picture and he wants the FP posters to see it too.  So Shango drops in and begins his diatribe on elders and Babylon.  He tells us about how this group has a scheme going that involves the casinos and powerful people on the island.  All the FP posters get intriqued and begin asking for Shango to update them and not Simian...voila!  No one is thinking about that 5th suspect any longer, they are chasing their tails trying figure out who dirty hand is.

Mission accomplished....everyone is confused and all are happy...for a while.
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« Reply #403 on: June 25, 2008, 08:13:29 AM »

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy...I think the Montanja address was more his mother's address than his.  Kermit keeps leading us to the Catiri address anytime we venture to the Montanja address.  I may not have very good instincts about Shango but Kermit is usually right on target when he says something.  Freddy was supposed to be at Joran's that night.  The only reason he would have been there was to make a video.  Freddy was way too old to be having a sleepover with Joran...unless sleeping with someone was involved. JMO

Right Mum!

Simian protects Steve.
Shango protects Freddy.
Now put it together and you have your answers. Albeit, that involves a whole host of other people down the line.  Rolling Eyes


Good Morning! I agree, I don't think the riddle could be as complicated as it is being made out to be....they were posting on the FP....

Just because I am a Shango dummy, doesn't mean everyone else is...LOL

So Armin is protecting cousin Steve...who would want to protect Freddy?
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« Reply #404 on: June 25, 2008, 08:14:10 AM »

Mum
Email me! LOL  I don't know which one works for you today.
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« Reply #405 on: June 25, 2008, 08:23:26 AM »

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy...I think the Montanja address was more his mother's address than his.  Kermit keeps leading us to the Catiri address anytime we venture to the Montanja address.  I may not have very good instincts about Shango but Kermit is usually right on target when he says something.  Freddy was supposed to be at Joran's that night.  The only reason he would have been there was to make a video.  Freddy was way too old to be having a sleepover with Joran...unless sleeping with someone was involved. JMO

Right Mum!

Simian protects Steve.
Shango protects Freddy.
Now put it together and you have your answers. Albeit, that involves a whole host of other people down the line.  Rolling Eyes


Good Morning! I agree, I don't think the riddle could be as complicated as it is being made out to be....they were posting on the FP....

Just because I am a Shango dummy, doesn't mean everyone else is...LOL

So Armin is protecting cousin Steve...who would want to protect Freddy?

If Freddy was this 5th suspect, then I would say it could be a family member.  If Shango wanted to show Simian that he isn't going to hang this on Freddy, he might tell just enough that Simian would realize that this Shango knows the details and that coming out  could jeopardize more than just Steve.  Maybe Shango was a warning that if you implicate this 5th person I will take everyone down because I know what happened and I know who is involved.  Now, this does not necessarily mean that Shango was related to the 5th suspect, he just looked at the possibilities and didn't like what he saw.  Another, possibility is Shango was relating what he was being told by someone and all Shango did was post it and did not write it.  That would mean Shango had no idea what the details were, just posted what he was told.  That opens a whole other can of worms.
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« Reply #406 on: June 25, 2008, 08:24:37 AM »

Thanks Finn for your post...I haven't read it all...but will get back to it later...

Still looking for the revelation that Ernesto was Freddy's brother...

SandraK...cuz - Lissette in the US...aunt, Rebeca in Venezeula

LOL...Obviously not the one that I tried to send when I saw you were up!!!

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« Reply #407 on: June 25, 2008, 08:28:24 AM »

ARAWAK (ARUBA) AND BABYLONIAN (CASINO) INVOLVEMENT:  Arawaks don't like Babylonian involvement...

8:28 AM the grey whisper said...
Simian and Koko are just as their handles imply- low level primates making noise to distract... the real players at this masquerade ball are smarter, but less deft of foot than they may believe. Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower? The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no prince charming



Google DUTCHCO ARUBA . It is an investment company OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ARUBA.
Google GLOBAL CASINOS INC. (GLOBAL ENTERTAINMENT IND?) Find directors, board members, etc.
Google Aruba Suriname Casino and Colombia Casino.

DUTCHCO:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6634/is_200310/ai_n26492715
Carlson buys resort.(ARUBA)(Carlson Hotels Worldwide)(Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino)(Brief Article)
Caribbean Update,  October, 2003

Carlson Hotels Worldwide, parent company of Radisson Hotels & Resorts, on Aug. 18 announced it has acquired full ownership of the company-managed Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino from its investment partner Dutchco, a company owned by the Government of Aruba. Together, the partners completed a two-year US$55 million transformation of the island's ...http://www.allbusiness.com/travel-hospitality-tourism/destinations/6919704-1.html

Global Casinos Inc. Announces Major Casino Expansionin the Radisson Hotel in Aruba.
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Monday, April 27 1998

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 27, 1998--Global Casinos, Inc. (NASDAQ: GBCS) announced today that it has reached an agreement with representatives of the government of Aruba and Dutchco, the hotel's owner, for a new 20 year casino lease in the Radisson Hotel in Aruba.



http://www.secinfo.com/duRaw.69.htm


   (a)  On December 23, 1998, Global Casinos, Inc. (the "Company") completed
the disposition of two separate business operations.                           
      Effective December 23, 1998, the Company completed the disposition
of its discontinued casino operations on the island of Aruba. The Company had  previously announced that the Casino Masquerade located in the Radisson Aruba Carribean Hotel on the island of Aruba had been closed effective February 28,  1998 in order to undergo renovations. Due to protracted delays in completing   the renovations and other adverse business circumstances, the Company was able  to negotiate an early termination of the remaining term on its casino lease.   
     Under the terms of the Settlement Agreement with Dutchco N.V., an Aruban limited liability company, and Aruba Carribean Hotel Limited Partnership, as landlord, the Company agreed to terminate the lease in consideration of a cash payment in the amount of $400,000 and the issuance to the Company of trade credits having an aggregate face value of $600,000.
   The trade credits can be used at the Aruba Carribean Hotel (the "Hotel") for a six year period beginning January 1, 2000 and ending December 31, 2005, usable at the rate of $100,000 per year.  The Hotel credits can be used against room rates as well as food and beverage charges, subject to certain limitations.                                                           
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« Reply #408 on: June 25, 2008, 08:57:34 AM »

Found this in the Natalee thread and saw so many possibilities in it I brought it over.  Simian's 5th suspect....Colombo's choice...Paulus.  This would be the alibi, so tight, so tight.  If you are on video as being in the casino until 4 in the morning, you can not possibly be out killing and disappearing Natalee.  The important thing would be to know how many times Paulus had to answer his cell phone while sitting there  in the casino and if his other two kids were indeed at home, who was looking out for them?  If the ALE knew this alibi was Paulus' and it concerned the casino, why even arrest Paulus?  With an alibi like that an arrest is futile.  It opens more questions with little answers but is interesting anyway.

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Have to go, but this was posted by Jonathan45 at BFN, yesterday.

For me this Guido scenario belongs to the greyzone of Joran's beachlie. It is an important scenario which Fierljepper introduced here. Was Guido Joran's helping hand the night Natalee vanished ?
In my own bike scenario I dislike to enter the greyzone, but I had to and have to because of the possible connections in making this case a no body no case one.
I reject Guido's role as Joran's  helping hand in disposing off Natalees body. Why would Joran behave like he does now for more than 3 years when they both know that her body never can be found ?
For me Guido is in this case involved because of Paulus alibi that night. Paulus wasn't asleep, but playing in the casino till around 4.00am that night, when a neigbour [witness] saw his car coming home. Did Paulus payed Guido to silence his lips about Paulus' where abouts that night ? And did Joran knows about this deal between Guido and his dad ? Yes he does from day 1. Joran can blackmail his dad and he did make Guido a suspect.
Paulus is also a great liar. Does Anita knows about Paulus nightly [for the first time] casino visit ?
Guido knows it, that's for sure and Anita wasn't on the island when it all occured.


Does anyone remember this?  I do remember something about the car returning.  Back later.  TIA
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« Reply #409 on: June 25, 2008, 09:13:53 AM »

Found this in the Natalee thread and saw so many possibilities in it I brought it over.  Simian's 5th suspect....Colombo's choice...Paulus.  This would be the alibi, so tight, so tight.  If you are on video as being in the casino until 4 in the morning, you can not possibly be out killing and disappearing Natalee.  The important thing would be to know how many times Paulus had to answer his cell phone while sitting there  in the casino and if his other two kids were indeed at home, who was looking out for them?  If the ALE knew this alibi was Paulus' and it concerned the casino, why even arrest Paulus?  With an alibi like that an arrest is futile.  It opens more questions with little answers but is interesting anyway.

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Have to go, but this was posted by Jonathan45 at BFN, yesterday.

For me this Guido scenario belongs to the greyzone of Joran's beachlie. It is an important scenario which Fierljepper introduced here. Was Guido Joran's helping hand the night Natalee vanished ?
In my own bike scenario I dislike to enter the greyzone, but I had to and have to because of the possible connections in making this case a no body no case one.
I reject Guido's role as Joran's  helping hand in disposing off Natalees body. Why would Joran behave like he does now for more than 3 years when they both know that her body never can be found ?
For me Guido is in this case involved because of Paulus alibi that night. Paulus wasn't asleep, but playing in the casino till around 4.00am that night, when a neigbour [witness] saw his car coming home. Did Paulus payed Guido to silence his lips about Paulus' where abouts that night ? And did Joran knows about this deal between Guido and his dad ? Yes he does from day 1. Joran can blackmail his dad and he did make Guido a suspect.
Paulus is also a great liar. Does Anita knows about Paulus nightly [for the first time] casino visit ?
Guido knows it, that's for sure and Anita wasn't on the island when it all occured.


Does anyone remember this?  I do remember something about the car returning.  Back later.  TIA



IIRC it was reported that Paulus was arrested to make Joran spill everything. I think this came from Rudy Croes! Well Joran refused to talk on 6/24 and came back later with all about his sex life that ALE was interested in...what could have happened to lead to those conversations from ALE?

And what about...'Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?' How does that fit? And 'If you were sleeping, who answered your phone at 2 in the morning?' Does this have anything to do with Paulus having Anita's phone? Did Paulus loose his that night? Was it the one found at the lighthouse, that Anita said was Val's. If Val was in the Netherlands, did some-one else have Val's phone?  Sorry the phones are like the shoes at times...
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« Reply #410 on: June 25, 2008, 10:04:09 AM »


Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Poochy, we really need to know if Carlos Ledher is alive or dead.

Rob this guy  Carlos Lehder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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« Reply #411 on: June 25, 2008, 10:05:46 AM »

Sorry here's the link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Lehder
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« Reply #412 on: June 25, 2008, 10:17:25 AM »

Carlos Lehder Myspace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=203777444
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« Reply #413 on: June 25, 2008, 10:23:42 AM »


Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Poochy, we really need to know if Carlos Ledher is alive or dead.

Rob this guy  Carlos Lehder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Not sure that I agree with the interpretation of once dead...now alive, but if I did, I again think of Judge Kuiperdal, he was a Judge on Aruba, and for some reason the Judges were brought in from Curacao. We know it wasn't for impartiality...maybe Judge Kuiperdal would have been exposed if it stayed with the Aruban judges.
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« Reply #414 on: June 25, 2008, 05:27:49 PM »


Who is DirtyHand? Someone in the mob or a terrorist.  Someone we all thought was deceased now alive and well, hiding on a small island in a house 'by the haystack' and comes from Santa Marta. Well, now he's a broken man, and went back to Babylon. Is Babylon Iraq or is it Netherlands? 

Poochy, we really need to know if Carlos Ledher is alive or dead.

Rob this guy  Carlos Lehder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Not sure that I agree with the interpretation of once dead...now alive, but if I did, I again think of Judge Kuiperdal, he was a Judge on Aruba, and for some reason the Judges were brought in from Curacao. We know it wasn't for impartiality...maybe Judge Kuiperdal would have been exposed if it stayed with the Aruban judges.



Is Judge Kuiperdal the one with the light hair in the sunglasses and sport coat?  I like your thoughts about Freddy speaking Pap and not being from Venezuela.  I have mentioned several times the posssiblity of Arambatzis being a maiden name.  Freddy and Ernesto don't look very much alike and they could easily have different fathers, neither of whom their mother was married to.  I considered this when we talked about the expense of Ernesto's private school education in Florida and Freddy's education in the local high school.  Who paid for Ernesto's education?  Was it a paternity obligation?  Ernesto's MySpace also says that he's a college graduate.  Where?  Who are the fathers of these two?  This could throw a very important piece into the coverup motivations and the obvious protection of Freddy.  Do we have a connection on the island who could check the high school yearbooks for Freddy's picture and the name that he was using at that time?  Freddy looks more like Karen Martina than he looks like Ernesto, and we can't find Karen either.  Does anyone have a picture of Freddy's "sister"?  There are several grils named Gish on MySpace and I don't know which one she is.
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« Reply #415 on: June 25, 2008, 05:45:34 PM »

Karen:

http://www.myspace.com/karenmartina
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« Reply #416 on: June 25, 2008, 05:49:09 PM »

This afternoon, I was playing with the June 26th and 27th Shango/Simian posts and I broke them down into very plain English with some of the information that we have.  Feel free to add to it any thoughts that anyone might have.  When it's all broken down, it really isn't very cryptic or difficult to understand.  I don't know who His Lordship is.

Sat June 25
7:59 pm simian:
The media flashed the news. Even Jan van der Straaten denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. Paulus can’t deny. Joran can’t talk.

2:58 pm simian:
Steve Croes’  statement was not part of the plan 
3:09 pm shango:
Armin, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian…. =
"I'm here and I know as much as you do, perhaps more ...
please enlighten our readers" (this sounds like someone in the news or broadcast business)
3:18 pm simian:
The alibi needs to be broken. Chemaly, Renfro, Arendz, Briezen, Joran, Satish, Deepak, Guido, Steve Croes, Freddy, Paulus, LVR, etc.   need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. Matty Apts. was dusted.
3:18 pm shango:
Armin, why was the video from the Matty Apts. not used to open the Sumerians Door?
3:26 pm shango:
Armin, his lordship did not bring the expected video, the door never existed.
3:30 pm shango:
Armin, his lordship did not bring the video for the Arubans.
3:33 pm shango:
Armin, His Lordship did not bring the video/DNA found in the car, it did not exist.
3:40 pm shango:
The video/DNA does not exist .
4:04 pm simian:
The wire has been shaken. The potential singing tattle-tale (Paulus) has left.
4:12 pm shango:
The video of truth did not exist. The response has already begun.
4:50 pm shango:
We must have a sacrifice - Joran. Hide Deutekom. Spread some infromation!
4:55 pm shango:
If the Americans see Deutekom, many homes/families will fall. Casinos will fall. We must have a sacrifice to feed the Americans. They will go back to the USA without Natalee.
4:58 pm shango:
Halls of the casinos may suddenly twist to accomodate Americans walking in the web of deceit.
No Natalee, but many answers. Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
5:02 pm shango:
Do not listen to American women (Greta, Grace?) who cast shadows on the walls of doubt…. There will be a sacrifice. The Americans will be happy. The casino businesses won’t fall and destroy the Aruban families. There will be a sacrifice. Soon many will see false information. Americans will go back to the USA. But first we need the sacrifice.
5:04 pm shango:
Prepare the news flashes. We need a sacrifice. A well-to-do casino-related person. Young Joran van der Sloot.
6:30 pm shango:
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers.
8:04 pm shango:
Joran van der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arubans and the Americans. All will sit around the news broadcasts and feast on Joran van der Sloot. The powers that be are talking. Dueterkom is alive and well.
9:27 pm simian:
Paulus had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused.
Armin said to not shake the wire, 'cause the bird would fly away. Armin  would never pose. 
9:30 pm shango:
Who knows what story Paulus will tell.
9:32 pm shango:
His lordship is there to preserve the Casino culture, not Paulus. Remember Deutekom
9:34 pm shango:
The struggle between the casino culture and the Arubans still remains hidden. The Arubans awaited the video/DNA.
His lordship said no. The door to truth remains closed. They are preparing the news flashes.
9:36 pm simian:
Everything the gamblers knew was also on the casino surveillance videos. They knew the girl. She spent her nights playing at their tables.
9:43 pm shango:
Did the casino people like to make movies? From the tears, a new river will spring forth…. 
9:48 pm simian:
Joran told the Kalpoes that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was very early in the morning. The confrontation was brutal. So who came when he called on the phone? Who switched placesand sent him home? (Paulus or LVR?) People…He bit his tongue instead of talking. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.
10:24 pm simian:
The boy is not strong. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the Americans will be heroes. This is all a “lugubrious game” to them.
They were all at the Matty Apts. and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched/pressured.
10:26 pm simian:
Armin only speaks for himself.
10:56 pm shango:
Armin knows his Lordship did not have a video/DNA to open the door to truth.
10:59 pm simian:
The package is still due.
11:01 pm simian:
If the door to truth is to be opened with that video or evidence, it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed.
11:05 pm shango:
Deutekom has worked for the powerful people for a long time
11:09 pm simian:
Mito Croes is on the line. The casino people know what happened, but their hands are tied.
They do not run the legal system. Van der Straaten will never bring the evidence from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party goers (above) need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including Joran. Too much is at stake and he is not strong.
He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is. 
11:12 pm shango:
Even released suspects talk. If the video or DNA evidence does not arrive tomorrow, that door to truth will remain closed.
11:19 pm simian:
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.
11:23 pm simian:
Who took Joran to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago. 
11:37 pm simian:
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl? This is unbelievable. The casino owners need to pinch the participants. That will need to happen tomorrow. The Simian is leaving.
12:39 am simian:
Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.
12:54 am simian:
I am leaving. I am done.
12:30 am Babalu:
ConcernedUK, no, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says.So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.     (The last part of this statement looks like a hypothetical phrase.  I think Shango later refers to the beginning of this sentence)
4:00 am shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting.
9:13 am simian:
Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence. The Americans are looking everywhere, but the land and waters are hard to search. The casino owners need to keep an eye on the Americans. The process must be protected. The partiers need to be pinched.
10:51 am simian:
The casino people and the Americans have swarmed the ponds. The dead dogs are stinking.
10:59 am simian:
The American’ steel and wires are screaming. The pond is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is something on their computer/scan screen. The casino people will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.
11:14 am simian:
The road from the boy’s home leads to the Manserat Pond. Look for Noord and look for Moko. The Americans are close. They are not real fast, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The powerful casino owners need this, before time runs out
11:33 am simian:
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko. Let your fingers connect the dots.
The Americans are deeper into the water recovery. The vultures are hanging around and are ready to eat what the Americans will find. Hang on to your TVs. The Simian doesn’t want to be right because this will be awful.
11:37 am simian:
Her decapitated body to be found. Her head to wash up on shore later.
11:39 am simian:
Why does anyone want to be the Simian’s double. The Simian finds that to be counter productive.
11:46 am simian:
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however and would like to stay and speak.
11:58 am simian:
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one. I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later.
12:08 pm simian: 
THEY FOUND HER BODY!!
12:11 pm
he said to keep watching the news, and that he apologizes for the confusion, but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him
 12:12 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.
If the cowboys do not find Natalee today, it will not be found
12:26 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting.
Simian your immitation is with us
12:28 pm shango:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting
9:41 pm shango:
 Location of the Matty Apts
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA   
9:44 pm shango:
Babalu opened a window looking into the casino world on his 12:30 A.M. Post. Deutekom is alive
9:46 pm shango:
Shango said the video/DNA/evidence sent to the Hague did not exist
that door to truth remains closed
unless they enter the Matty Apartments
9:48 pm shango:
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
10:30 pm drax:
Joran and the Kalpoes weren’t on the beach?
10:32 pm shango:
THE DRAX SCORES
10:45 pm shango:
Windows looking onto the casino world are being opened by the ThreadSurfers. SM?
11:04 pm shango:
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post.
11:13 pm shango:
 11:48 pm shango:
The Simian was incorrect about the evidence from the Hague. I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen.
The simian is not a simian, but a pre-historic man (Neanderthal?)
11:52 pm shango:
Foreign bloggers are oblivious to the underworld parties and the participants. Without exposure, the Arubans will deceive the Americans, they will leave without Natalee.
12:04 am shango:
The heads of the casino culture have told the story for the Aruban press.
The story which holds the answers lies within the underworld parties
the Americans will smile sweetly as the news tells the false story
backs turned to the underworld parties
never hearing a single clue
from the evil reality
12:11 am shango:
All the Arubans know the underworld party where the evil/ecstacy is..
12:14 am shango:
How those innocent young women enter the trap with sweet propositions.
12:23 am shango:
Follow the clues
to the evil place
where the children of the casino culture
and the Arubans
meet secretly.
In the party.
The perpetrators
shall be exposed.
The casinos have video surveillance tapes.
Tell the Americans! 
12:28 am shango:
Not all perpetrators leave their homes.
12:37 am shango:
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand  - talking about kids going to wild  parties and raves
12:39 am shango:
The bloggers are opening the door to the casino underworld
be careful of the people there
Deuterkom does not have them under control
but he can enter their turf
tell the Amricans
1:32 am shango:
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there.  Do you need to see the graft and corruption to know that it is there?
1:43 am simian: 
The Simian has a handicap of 12.
1:52 am simian:
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks what is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.  (Armin is an Aruban. Do not put Aruba down)
1:55 am shango:
Find the music. Only David left the den alive
2:01 am simian:
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping (insult?). Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. (call the police) Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. (Jail?) Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool. The Simian is angry. Over and out. (sympathy for Steve Cores)
2:09 am simian:
The Simian is disappointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but likes to say he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to mislead people, Armin will again say that he will retire.
2:18 am simian:
f*** the poetry. Armin Solognier is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.
2:21 am simian:
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time. Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.
translation: I will not be mocked. I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme.  They [are] believe[d], but should not [be].
2:23 am shango:
?
2:24 am shango:
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.
2:27 am shango:
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought  which would not usually leave the MainStream.
2:28 am simian:
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo, pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo. No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme? La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
translation: You're the bitch, asshole.  I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you do not understand and think that everything is solved, being a foreigner.  I do not make predictions and I never knew what happened that night.
I don't understand what you're saying. You think I'm a woman? Life is not what you think it is.
2:32 am simian:
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.
translation: Shango, get real, do not place yourself at the center. The things you say today can cause sorrow tomorrow. Close your mouth and do not talk of things you know nothing about. Go to sleep, it is late.
Many people are reading the things you are writing. They arrive/appear at the door of your house tomorrow, not spanta.
2:45 am shango:
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a monkey.
2:50 am simian:
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…
2:50 am shango:
Joran and the Kalpoes did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the adults
Deutekom knows
Paulus knows
and so do the Arubans
the Americans are far from the casino culture
the party scene shall remain hidden to all but the Arubans and the adult men
2:53 am simian:
Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.
translation: Go to sleep! It is late.
2:59 am shango:
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the Arubans are hiding the truth from the Americans
Deutekom knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the video/evidence would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the adult males
in the houses of prostitution and drugs
where the innocent women are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
3:02 am simian:
Yo solo trato de pasar informacion antes de que se presente en las noticias. Primero, porque no se dicen las como se deben en Fox News o en CNN.
Sinembargo me encuentro ahora con un idiota que se cree hacer predicciones de cosas que no sabe. Alavez, claramente yo tampoco por no haber estado alli. Una vez mas yo solo paso informacion que tengo de gente que estan conectados en la sociedad Arubana.
Estoy muy disgustado hoy de leer como esta idiota que se hace llamar Shango esta jugando con los sentimientos de estos gringos y alavez Nancy Grace hablar de situaciones que ella ni siquiera entiende.
translation: I just try to pass information before it is presented in the news. First, because they do not say as they must in Fox News or Cnn. [more like: Mainly, because they do not report it as they should on Fox/CNN]
However now I encounter an idiot/am seen as an idiot to make/be making predictions of things we do not know. At the same time, clearly, I don't know, not having been there. Once again I only pass information I have from people who are connected in Aruban society.
I am very upset to read today as this idiot calling itself Shango is playing with the feelings of these gringos and at the same time Nancy Grace talks about situations that she does not even understand.
3:06 am shango:
Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect
His lordship brought nothing from the Hague
the simian listens to whisperings of the Arubans foolishly thinking he is an insider.
3:10 am simian:
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been insulted.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes.
10:17 am simian:
hello news from the seas will rise today
1:31 pm simian:
Tides are high
Simian–
What’s going on?


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« Reply #417 on: June 25, 2008, 06:25:29 PM »

Sorry, SS, I had to reboot...

I think Mum found a "Ghis" that she thought might be the same one.




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« Reply #418 on: June 25, 2008, 06:36:47 PM »

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes casino that employed eighteen full-time people (all "well-fed") to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. (lions which "play") Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown (dirty hand), whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot.



COLUMBO...Do you have Michael Posner's full name and aliases? If I need a break from Florida, I would like to visit Chicago. TIA   


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« Reply #419 on: June 25, 2008, 06:53:27 PM »


Thanks Pita and Blonde,

I thought he died in a airplane wreck during a prison transfer.

btw - a drug lord with a myspace?!!?!?! Now I've seen it all. 
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